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badmannotinjapan wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:23 am Been in lockdown since December 26th and Ontario is racking up 3000+ a day. Lockdowns work so well. f**king joke for 1%.
Your govt was arguably 9 months too late. Lockdowns work if government's have the courage to go early and go hard. If they have the courage to ignore the naysayers who will make every excuse in the book to delay or avoid lockdowns.
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Ali's Choice wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:11 am
badmannotinjapan wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:23 am Been in lockdown since December 26th and Ontario is racking up 3000+ a day. Lockdowns work so well. f**king joke for 1%.
Your govt was arguably 9 months too late. Lockdowns work if government's have the courage to go early and go hard. If they have the courage to ignore the naysayers who will make every excuse in the book to delay or avoid lockdowns.
Being a few islands in the arse end of nowhere, NZ had done remarkably well.
It will be a difficult sell, once the vaccine comes along, that you will then have to ease the lockdown and allow people to die of covid.
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message #2527204 wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:30 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:11 am
badmannotinjapan wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:23 am Been in lockdown since December 26th and Ontario is racking up 3000+ a day. Lockdowns work so well. f**king joke for 1%.
Your govt was arguably 9 months too late. Lockdowns work if government's have the courage to go early and go hard. If they have the courage to ignore the naysayers who will make every excuse in the book to delay or avoid lockdowns.
Being a few islands in the arse end of nowhere, NZ had done remarkably well.
It will be a difficult sell, once the vaccine comes along, that you will then have to ease the lockdown and allow people to die of covid.
Let’s just call that twisted arsefuckery out for what it is.

You spacker.
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message #2527204 wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:30 am
Being a few islands in the arse end of nowhere, NZ had done remarkably well.
It will be a difficult sell, once the vaccine comes along, that you will then have to ease the lockdown and allow people to die of covid.
Covid was here and was taking hold but both the Government and the population got stuck in to fix it.

Easing of covid restrictions will depend on our health system being able to cope with expected numbers of any outbreak. That will be driven by vaccination numbers I guess.
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message #2527204 wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:30 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:11 am
badmannotinjapan wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:23 am Been in lockdown since December 26th and Ontario is racking up 3000+ a day. Lockdowns work so well. f**king joke for 1%.
Your govt was arguably 9 months too late. Lockdowns work if government's have the courage to go early and go hard. If they have the courage to ignore the naysayers who will make every excuse in the book to delay or avoid lockdowns.
Being a few islands in the arse end of nowhere, NZ had done remarkably well.
It will be a difficult sell, once the vaccine comes along, that you will then have to ease the lockdown and allow people to die of covid.
NZ lockdowns will be eased?
How severe are these lockdowns?
I thought NZ had little sanctions
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Enzedder wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:33 am
message #2527204 wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:30 am
Being a few islands in the arse end of nowhere, NZ had done remarkably well.
It will be a difficult sell, once the vaccine comes along, that you will then have to ease the lockdown and allow people to die of covid.
Covid was here and was taking hold but both the Government and the population got stuck in to fix it.

Easing of covid restrictions will depend on our health system being able to cope with expected numbers of any outbreak. That will be driven by vaccination numbers I guess.
Indeed. I guess it has been discussed.
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C69 wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:35 am
message #2527204 wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:30 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:11 am
badmannotinjapan wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:23 am Been in lockdown since December 26th and Ontario is racking up 3000+ a day. Lockdowns work so well. f**king joke for 1%.
Your govt was arguably 9 months too late. Lockdowns work if government's have the courage to go early and go hard. If they have the courage to ignore the naysayers who will make every excuse in the book to delay or avoid lockdowns.
Being a few islands in the arse end of nowhere, NZ had done remarkably well.
It will be a difficult sell, once the vaccine comes along, that you will then have to ease the lockdown and allow people to die of covid.
NZ lockdowns will be eased?
How severe are these lockdowns?
I thought NZ had little sanctions
I meant isolated from the rest of the world
Aafter vaccination, then at some point they will surely have to allow covid in and go back to normalcy.
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message #2527204 wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:48 am
Salanya wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:57 pm
DragsterDriver wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:33 pm :nod:
Gospel wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:30 pm I keep wondering if I’m being a bit thick but- without lockdowns and letting the virus run rampant the nhs would have collapsed and many more died.

Surely I’m missing something and lockdowns, while not perfect, have prevented complete mayhem?
We've had several lockdowns and measures, and in the last 10 months 82k people have died. National statistics quote 75k as a threshold of a significant town/city.
The population of Bath for example is 89k - we'll reach that in the next 1-2 weeks. The long term effects on people's health also have to yet be fully understood.

Some hospitals are now running very low on oxygen, and some corpses are stored in tents cause mortuaries are full. In certain areas the NHS has started to struggle badly.

Now there definitely is a large cost to lockdowns, and the government have had many months to prepare more coherent plans, learn to respond to figures, and improve their communications. The lack of planning, decision making and communications in December was appalling.

However, the handling of things aside, without lockdowns your description of complete mayhem would be accurate, and at such levels that the economic issues would be as bad in the long run as what we're building up in these lockdowns.
1/2m people die each year. These people have died of an endemic new deadly virus that we can't effectively treat.
Whilst temporary mortuaries are not nice, they are regularly used at hospitals every year as contingency.

I'd suggest there was planning at Christmas, as all the devolved authorities followed roughly the same plan. People were going to visit relatives for christmas whether you told them to or not, and criminalising half the country for that would have been unwise. It is people that transmit the disease, not the government.
You're just being an apologist for the government.

There was a big announcement early on that there would be several days of Christmas. When things started to look bleak, Boris insisted that Christmas 'would not be canceled'. He only changed this policy a few days before Christmas, when MPs had finished and when people had already made their plans (bought tickets, started isolating, ordered stock etc.). Yes, many people would have met at Christmas either way, but the better and clearer the guidance, the better the compliance (and also less resentment due to additional inconvenience).

Which is the point in general. Yes, people spread the virus, and there will be some arseholes who don't feel the rules apply to them, especially with the internet used to spread conspiracy theories.
But the government have the best and most information, so it's up to them, with the PM as leader, to take the lead on explaining the situation, providing clear communications, guidance and laws.

Yes, people are getting tired with the measures, but the government have aided this with the change of message and policies: within 2 weeks Christmas was going ahead, then it was changed to one day, then the tiers were announced to change, followed by another chance a week later, followed by a total lockdown a few days later. That's what's frustrating people and hindering compliance.
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Salanya wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:15 am Bimbo:
The communications in December and ahead of Christmas were only there to keep Boris popular with people who were already supporting him, or would normally support him.
It wouldn't have made him popular with all those people who had to change their plans last minute, who were impacted by the late decisions (and/or their businesses were), or indeed those who have since had friends/relatives/colleagues lost in the recent weeks.

But you're hitting on the problem: Boris is more focused on being popular than being the most statesmanlike, being decisive and doing what is best for the country.

Obviously there are no statistics to prove what the economic impact would be had the virus run riot in the country unchecked, with the NHS having fully collapsed, lives lost and people affected tenfold of what we see now. But I think you're underestimating the long term effects of that, including economic impact.


The late decisions were the final nail in the hospitality industry, with tier 2 business ordering and setting up for Xmas day, they lost a combined millions to the late decisions.

The attempts to use “hope” as a compliance tool have serious consequences for both businesses and actual mental health, it’s cruel and cynical. It’s also potentially very dangerous.
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Gospel wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:16 am
bimboman wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:34 pm
Gospel wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:30 pm
bimboman wrote:Lockdowns delay the spread of a virus. They don’t work beyond that.
They have bought us time which cannot be underestimated with regard to saving lives especially since we now have viable vaccines and a way out of this shit storm.


They also cost lives and ruin them as well. They have a cost. This has never been seriously accounted for by the Government, that’s a disgrace.
I think you have to save the lives you can now. The virus is the immediate threat though the longer we are in lockdown the greater the long term ramifications will be - so thank feck we have a vaccine and a way out of this mess. It would have been inhuman to allow the NHS to be overrun and tens of thousands more die simply because someone estimated it was the lesser evil over the course of the next decade.


I’ll be absolutely serious that’s a political decision regarding deaths not a good one.

And yes there’s health service restrictions at the start, but that should NOT be the case now 8 Months in. The Nightingales were a sham it appears, the staffing issue though I agree an issue could have been addressed with some of the 22 Billion wasted on test and trace (where has that money gone?).

The main issue here is the government, but the service and PHE are also to blame, the lost of “sign offs” required to be a volunteer vaccinator demonstrate that the “organisation “ has made no adaptations to the situation at all.

Meanwhile the deaths in longer time frames will be horrendous and unseen.
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guy smiley wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:40 am
Gospel wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:16 am
bimboman wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:34 pm
Gospel wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:30 pm
bimboman wrote:Lockdowns delay the spread of a virus. They don’t work beyond that.
They have bought us time which cannot be underestimated with regard to saving lives especially since we now have viable vaccines and a way out of this shit storm.


They also cost lives and ruin them as well. They have a cost. This has never been seriously accounted for by the Government, that’s a disgrace.
I think you have to save the lives you can now. The virus is the immediate threat though the longer we are in lockdown the greater the long term ramifications will be - so thank feck we have a vaccine and a way out of this mess. It would have been inhuman to allow the NHS to be overrun and tens of thousands more die simply because someone estimated it was the lesser evil over the course of the next decade.
Bimbo is one of those for whom denial is the only way of dealing with matters outside their control. He can’t accept the devastating nature of a pandemic so he seeks to rationalise it away by blaming various organisations like govt or it’s agencies for not doing something to soothe his personal anxieties. In that sense he is entitlement personified... stamping his foot and spitting the dummy. Openside is another example.

They just can’t accept the reality staring them in the face.


The reality while horrible isn’t horrendous, it’s an excess of deaths mainly amongst the vulnerable.
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message #2527204 wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:39 am I meant isolated from the rest of the world
Aafter vaccination, then at some point they will surely have to allow covid in and go back to normalcy.
Are you trolling, or just ignorant? Both NZ and Australia receive thousands of international return travellers every week. The difference to the UK is that we manage these people in strict hotel quarantine. Sure, we aren't accepting international tourists right now, but that's just common sense.

Now sure, you could argue that we don't allow in as many overseas travellers as the UK does. Bimboman was boasting a while back that you still welcome millions of people a week to your shores. But NZ and Australia have made the decision to control visitor numbers, just like the UK has made the decision to allow a free-for-all. Given our economies have almost returned to their pre-COVID levels, and the virus has been almost eradicated, an argument could be made that our strict, early lockdowns and subsequent controls have been worthwhile.
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He’s still demonstrating no grasp of actual scale from his little town. :lol:
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Ali is a medal you want? A pat on the back? You haven’t eradicated anything you’ve suppressed it temporarily and now we have the good fortune of a vaccine that was developed in record time. Of course other countries would like to do what NZ and Australia have done but you’re not comparing like with like.
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bimboman wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:18 am
Salanya wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:15 am Bimbo:
The communications in December and ahead of Christmas were only there to keep Boris popular with people who were already supporting him, or would normally support him.
It wouldn't have made him popular with all those people who had to change their plans last minute, who were impacted by the late decisions (and/or their businesses were), or indeed those who have since had friends/relatives/colleagues lost in the recent weeks.

But you're hitting on the problem: Boris is more focused on being popular than being the most statesmanlike, being decisive and doing what is best for the country.

Obviously there are no statistics to prove what the economic impact would be had the virus run riot in the country unchecked, with the NHS having fully collapsed, lives lost and people affected tenfold of what we see now. But I think you're underestimating the long term effects of that, including economic impact.


The late decisions were the final nail in the hospitality industry, with tier 2 business ordering and setting up for Xmas day, they lost a combined millions to the late decisions.

The attempts to use “hope” as a compliance tool have serious consequences for both businesses and actual mental health, it’s cruel and cynical. It’s also potentially very dangerous.
I'd agree with you there.
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Duff Paddy wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:40 am Ali is a medal you want? A pat on the back? You haven’t eradicated anything you’ve suppressed it temporarily and now we have the good fortune of a vaccine that was developed in record time. Of course other countries would like to do what NZ and Australia have done but you’re not comparing like with like.
I don't want anything. I was simply responding to Blackrock Bullet's false claim that lockdowns don't work, and message #2527204's follow up flase claim that Australia and NZ have closed themselves off from the rest of the world.
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guy smiley wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:33 am
message #2527204 wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:30 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:11 am
badmannotinjapan wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:23 am Been in lockdown since December 26th and Ontario is racking up 3000+ a day. Lockdowns work so well. f**king joke for 1%.
Your govt was arguably 9 months too late. Lockdowns work if government's have the courage to go early and go hard. If they have the courage to ignore the naysayers who will make every excuse in the book to delay or avoid lockdowns.
Being a few islands in the arse end of nowhere, NZ had done remarkably well.
It will be a difficult sell, once the vaccine comes along, that you will then have to ease the lockdown and allow people to die of covid.
Let’s just call that twisted arsefuckery out for what it is.

You spacker.
It amazes and amuses me how NHers - euros in particular - continue to pontificate about how other governments should deal with the pandemic.

A quick visit to worldometers shows that, in terms of COVID deaths per million of population, Europe countries dominate the top 10, 15, 20 and 25.

Some of those countries are large, others the size of rural towns.

Some get huge numbers of visitors, others less so. (Talk me through how, say, North Macedonia -1,265 deaths per million - gets more visitors than New Zealand - 5 deaths per million).

Some are a tad disadvantaged regarding stopping in visitors by way of being Shengen participants and some are not.

All, repeat, all of the euro countries in the top 25 of the per capita Covid death league have made a right fúck of it.

As I stated previously, this is a homeless man giving fashion tips while shitting in his hat.
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MungoMan wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:37 am
guy smiley wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:33 am
message #2527204 wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:30 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:11 am
badmannotinjapan wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:23 am Been in lockdown since December 26th and Ontario is racking up 3000+ a day. Lockdowns work so well. f**king joke for 1%.
Your govt was arguably 9 months too late. Lockdowns work if government's have the courage to go early and go hard. If they have the courage to ignore the naysayers who will make every excuse in the book to delay or avoid lockdowns.
Being a few islands in the arse end of nowhere, NZ had done remarkably well.
It will be a difficult sell, once the vaccine comes along, that you will then have to ease the lockdown and allow people to die of covid.
Let’s just call that twisted arsefuckery out for what it is.

You spacker.
It amazes and amuses me how NHers - euros in particular - continue to pontificate about how other governments should deal with the pandemic.

A quick visit to worldometers shows that, in terms of COVID deaths per million of population, Europe countries dominate the top 10, 15, 20 and 25.

Some of those countries are large, others the size of rural towns.

Some get huge numbers of visitors, others less so. (Talk me through how, say, North Macedonia -1,265 deaths per million - gets more visitors than New Zealand - 5 deaths per million).

Some are a tad disadvantaged regarding stopping in visitors by way of being Shengen participants and some are not.

All, repeat, all of the euro countries in the top 25 of the per capita Covid death league have made a right fúck of it.

As I stated previously, this is a homeless man giving fashion tips while shitting in his hat.
Whooa Mongo not all NHers pontificate about such matters.
Some of us are pissed off with how appallingly managed the Covid response has been in their Countries.
From the fevk up at the start keepin Cheltenham open to the PPE scandal and the waste of money on the Nightingale Hospitals to the awarding of Tory party Vip contracts and the appalling track and trace.
As well as the musmanagement and Uturns on schools etc etc and the announced late closure of Hospitality.
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bimboman wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:24 am
Gospel wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:16 am
bimboman wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:34 pm
Gospel wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:30 pm
bimboman wrote:Lockdowns delay the spread of a virus. They don’t work beyond that.
They have bought us time which cannot be underestimated with regard to saving lives especially since we now have viable vaccines and a way out of this shit storm.


They also cost lives and ruin them as well. They have a cost. This has never been seriously accounted for by the Government, that’s a disgrace.
I think you have to save the lives you can now. The virus is the immediate threat though the longer we are in lockdown the greater the long term ramifications will be - so thank feck we have a vaccine and a way out of this mess. It would have been inhuman to allow the NHS to be overrun and tens of thousands more die simply because someone estimated it was the lesser evil over the course of the next decade.


I’ll be absolutely serious that’s a political decision regarding deaths not a good one.

And yes there’s health service restrictions at the start, but that should NOT be the case now 8 Months in. The Nightingales were a sham it appears, the staffing issue though I agree an issue could have been addressed with some of the 22 Billion wasted on test and trace (where has that money gone?).

The main issue here is the government, but the service and PHE are also to blame, the lost of “sign offs” required to be a volunteer vaccinator demonstrate that the “organisation “ has made no adaptations to the situation at all.

Meanwhile the deaths in longer time frames will be horrendous and unseen.
I know one volunteer vaccinator and he had no issues (training no different from other corporate type training) but under 40 and used to modern world bullshit.

Agree fully on test and trace especially as the results indicate the scottish and welsh efforts have been better than serco by expanding existing systems. It would only work properly as a fully linked system (supporting people to isolate, doing border testing properly) with low prevalence ala south Korea but government never really aimed for that if they had any plan at all overall. The cluelessness at the top of government is shocking and how gavin williamson hasn't been replaced bemuses me. Dealing with a weak indecisive ditherer is a disaster when you need to be pro-active. To make the same mistake 3 times and not fix issues with things like test and trace in-between is retarded. They have managed to maximise all harms both long and short on every uk age demographic. I think PR and image management should fall behind public health and difficult decisions in times of crisis. Nightingales were good PR as was operation last gasp- complete bullshit in reality. It's a shit sandwich stop pretending it isn't and promising bullshit (send it packing in 12 weeks, over by Christmas etc...) there are still massive uncertainties even with the vaccines. Government good at PR, campaigning and bullshit bad at governing. I'm sure the costs will be covered by the under 50s in line with the last ten years of gerontocracy.
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Point of order:

The government is appalling at PR.
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Petej wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:57 am
bimboman wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:24 am
Gospel wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:16 am
bimboman wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:34 pm
Gospel wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:30 pm
They have bought us time which cannot be underestimated with regard to saving lives especially since we now have viable vaccines and a way out of this shit storm.


They also cost lives and ruin them as well. They have a cost. This has never been seriously accounted for by the Government, that’s a disgrace.
I think you have to save the lives you can now. The virus is the immediate threat though the longer we are in lockdown the greater the long term ramifications will be - so thank feck we have a vaccine and a way out of this mess. It would have been inhuman to allow the NHS to be overrun and tens of thousands more die simply because someone estimated it was the lesser evil over the course of the next decade.


I’ll be absolutely serious that’s a political decision regarding deaths not a good one.

And yes there’s health service restrictions at the start, but that should NOT be the case now 8 Months in. The Nightingales were a sham it appears, the staffing issue though I agree an issue could have been addressed with some of the 22 Billion wasted on test and trace (where has that money gone?).

The main issue here is the government, but the service and PHE are also to blame, the lost of “sign offs” required to be a volunteer vaccinator demonstrate that the “organisation “ has made no adaptations to the situation at all.

Meanwhile the deaths in longer time frames will be horrendous and unseen.
I know one volunteer vaccinator and he had no issues (training no different from other corporate type training) but under 40 and used to modern world bullshit.

Agree fully on test and trace especially as the results indicate the scottish and welsh efforts have been better than serco by expanding existing systems. It would only work properly as a fully linked system (supporting people to isolate, doing border testing properly) with low prevalence ala south Korea but government never really aimed for that if they had any plan at all overall. The cluelessness at the top of government is shocking and how gavin williamson hasn't been replaced bemuses me. Dealing with a weak indecisive ditherer is a disaster when you need to be pro-active. To make the same mistake 3 times and not fix issues with things like test and trace in-between is retarded. They have managed to maximise all harms both long and short on every uk age demographic. I think PR and image management should fall behind public health and difficult decisions in times of crisis. Nightingales were good PR as was operation last gasp- complete bullshit in reality. It's a shit sandwich stop pretending it isn't and promising bullshit (send it packing in 12 weeks, over by Christmas etc...) there are still massive uncertainties even with the vaccines. Government good at PR, campaigning and bullshit bad at governing. I'm sure the costs will be covered by the under 50s in line with the last ten years of gerontocracy.
Crap rant is crap. All the devolved health admins followed the same policy, although they've delighted in not doing that at every opportunity where they believe they can do it differently.
This shows that they all had access to the same data, and all came to the same conclusions and policy decisions.

Didn't wee Kranky try her own wee personal lockdown at one point? Scotland virus free by the end of summer wasn't the promise?
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Jensrsa wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:18 pm SA
Government has decided to close all of South Africa's land border crossings until at least 15 February 2021, President Cyril Ramaphosa announced on Monday night.

Travel into and out of South Africa through these border posts will be only be permitted for:
  • the transportation of fuel, cargo and goods
  • emergency medical attention, for a life-threatening condition
  • the return of South African nationals, permanent residents, or persons with other valid visas
  • travelling diplomats
  • the departure of foreign nationals
  • daily commuters from neighbouring countries who attend school in South Africa
.
International travel via airports remains unchanged.

Ban on the sale of alcohol has been extended
South African president Cyril Ramaphosa says that the country has secured 20 million vaccine doses to combat the coronavirus, which are to be delivered ‘mainly’ in the first half of the year.

The government last week announced it had struck a deal for an initial 1.5 million doses of a vaccine developed by AstraZeneca Plc and the University of Oxford from The Serum Institute of India Ltd, with first shipments set to arrive this month, Bloomberg reported.

It will aim to inoculate two-thirds of the population by the end of the year.
https://businesstech.co.za/news/trendin ... ramaphosa/
:thumbup:

Good news on the vaccine front.

Not sure which vaccine it will be but hopefully the J&J vaccine which will be manufactured in SA and only requires one dose per person
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guy smiley wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:33 am
message #2527204 wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:30 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:11 am
badmannotinjapan wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:23 am Been in lockdown since December 26th and Ontario is racking up 3000+ a day. Lockdowns work so well. f**king joke for 1%.
Your govt was arguably 9 months too late. Lockdowns work if government's have the courage to go early and go hard. If they have the courage to ignore the naysayers who will make every excuse in the book to delay or avoid lockdowns.
Being a few islands in the arse end of nowhere, NZ had done remarkably well.
It will be a difficult sell, once the vaccine comes along, that you will then have to ease the lockdown and allow people to die of covid.
Let’s just call that twisted arsefuckery out for what it is.

You spacker.


What a great choice of progressive language here. :thumbup:
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Enzedder wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:33 am
message #2527204 wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:30 am
Being a few islands in the arse end of nowhere, NZ had done remarkably well.
It will be a difficult sell, once the vaccine comes along, that you will then have to ease the lockdown and allow people to die of covid.
Covid was here and was taking hold but both the Government and the population got stuck in to fix it.

Easing of covid restrictions will depend on our health system being able to cope with expected numbers of any outbreak. That will be driven by vaccination numbers I guess.


“And the population “ :lol:
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MungoMan wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:37 am
guy smiley wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:33 am
message #2527204 wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:30 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:11 am
badmannotinjapan wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:23 am Been in lockdown since December 26th and Ontario is racking up 3000+ a day. Lockdowns work so well. f**king joke for 1%.
Your govt was arguably 9 months too late. Lockdowns work if government's have the courage to go early and go hard. If they have the courage to ignore the naysayers who will make every excuse in the book to delay or avoid lockdowns.
Being a few islands in the arse end of nowhere, NZ had done remarkably well.
It will be a difficult sell, once the vaccine comes along, that you will then have to ease the lockdown and allow people to die of covid.
Let’s just call that twisted arsefuckery out for what it is.

You spacker.
It amazes and amuses me how NHers - euros in particular - continue to pontificate about how other governments should deal with the pandemic.

A quick visit to worldometers shows that, in terms of COVID deaths per million of population, Europe countries dominate the top 10, 15, 20 and 25.

Some of those countries are large, others the size of rural towns.

Some get huge numbers of visitors, others less so. (Talk me through how, say, North Macedonia -1,265 deaths per million - gets more visitors than New Zealand - 5 deaths per million).

Some are a tad disadvantaged regarding stopping in visitors by way of being Shengen participants and some are not.

All, repeat, all of the euro countries in the top 25 of the per capita Covid death league have made a right fúck of it.

As I stated previously, this is a homeless man giving fashion tips while shitting in his hat.

It’s almost as if the geography and population connectivity affect the numbers infected regardless of “measures” ...
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bimboman wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:23 pm
Enzedder wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:33 am
message #2527204 wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:30 am
Being a few islands in the arse end of nowhere, NZ had done remarkably well.
It will be a difficult sell, once the vaccine comes along, that you will then have to ease the lockdown and allow people to die of covid.
Covid was here and was taking hold but both the Government and the population got stuck in to fix it.

Easing of covid restrictions will depend on our health system being able to cope with expected numbers of any outbreak. That will be driven by vaccination numbers I guess.


“And the population “ :lol:
Do you find NZ's management of covid-19 funny?
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Petej wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:57 am
bimboman wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:24 am
Gospel wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:16 am
bimboman wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:34 pm
Gospel wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:30 pm
They have bought us time which cannot be underestimated with regard to saving lives especially since we now have viable vaccines and a way out of this shit storm.


They also cost lives and ruin them as well. They have a cost. This has never been seriously accounted for by the Government, that’s a disgrace.
I think you have to save the lives you can now. The virus is the immediate threat though the longer we are in lockdown the greater the long term ramifications will be - so thank feck we have a vaccine and a way out of this mess. It would have been inhuman to allow the NHS to be overrun and tens of thousands more die simply because someone estimated it was the lesser evil over the course of the next decade.


I’ll be absolutely serious that’s a political decision regarding deaths not a good one.

And yes there’s health service restrictions at the start, but that should NOT be the case now 8 Months in. The Nightingales were a sham it appears, the staffing issue though I agree an issue could have been addressed with some of the 22 Billion wasted on test and trace (where has that money gone?).

The main issue here is the government, but the service and PHE are also to blame, the lost of “sign offs” required to be a volunteer vaccinator demonstrate that the “organisation “ has made no adaptations to the situation at all.

Meanwhile the deaths in longer time frames will be horrendous and unseen.
I know one volunteer vaccinator and he had no issues (training no different from other corporate type training) but under 40 and used to modern world bullshit.

Agree fully on test and trace especially as the results indicate the scottish and welsh efforts have been better than serco by expanding existing systems. It would only work properly as a fully linked system (supporting people to isolate, doing border testing properly) with low prevalence ala south Korea but government never really aimed for that if they had any plan at all overall. The cluelessness at the top of government is shocking and how gavin williamson hasn't been replaced bemuses me. Dealing with a weak indecisive ditherer is a disaster when you need to be pro-active. To make the same mistake 3 times and not fix issues with things like test and trace in-between is retarded. They have managed to maximise all harms both long and short on every uk age demographic. I think PR and image management should fall behind public health and difficult decisions in times of crisis. Nightingales were good PR as was operation last gasp- complete bullshit in reality. It's a shit sandwich stop pretending it isn't and promising bullshit (send it packing in 12 weeks, over by Christmas etc...) there are still massive uncertainties even with the vaccines. Government good at PR, campaigning and bullshit bad at governing. I'm sure the costs will be covered by the under 50s in line with the last ten years of gerontocracy.

The other issue being that the operations of he State the government has are shit, PHE is shit, the NHS is shit, the school authorities are shit, the basic function of counting who is in the country and who isn’t and border control are shit.

Yeah agree Williamson, Hancock and a fair few others are clowns, but the actual operation of the state in this country has failed.
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Ali's Choice wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:25 pm
bimboman wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:23 pm
Enzedder wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:33 am
message #2527204 wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:30 am
Being a few islands in the arse end of nowhere, NZ had done remarkably well.
It will be a difficult sell, once the vaccine comes along, that you will then have to ease the lockdown and allow people to die of covid.
Covid was here and was taking hold but both the Government and the population got stuck in to fix it.

Easing of covid restrictions will depend on our health system being able to cope with expected numbers of any outbreak. That will be driven by vaccination numbers I guess.


“And the population “ :lol:
Do you find NZ's management of covid-19 funny?


I find the concept of sitting at home and watching the government close airports being a big thing the population did as funny yes. As should everyone,
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bimboman wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:29 pm I find the concept of sitting at home and watching the government close airports being a big thing the population did as funny yes. As should everyone,
You constantly troll SH posters about our response to COVID-19, and then cry like a baby if anyone gets angry and responds in kind :thumbdown:

I won't rise to your bait. Needless to say you are immensely ignorant.
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From the BBC today:
Last year saw the largest increase in UK deaths in a single year since 1940, according to provisional ONS figures
In 2020, nearly 697,000 deaths were registered, compared with an average of nearly 606,000 each year between 2015 and 2019.
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Ali's Choice wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:33 pm
bimboman wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:29 pm I find the concept of sitting at home and watching the government close airports being a big thing the population did as funny yes. As should everyone,
You constantly troll SH posters about our response to COVID-19, and then cry like a baby if anyone gets angry and responds in kind :thumbdown:

I won't rise to your bait. Needless to say you are immensely ignorant.
Mungo was just as bad (hyperbole obvs) tarring us all with the same brush.
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Jensrsa wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:35 pm
Jensrsa wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:18 pm SA
Government has decided to close all of South Africa's land border crossings until at least 15 February 2021, President Cyril Ramaphosa announced on Monday night.

Travel into and out of South Africa through these border posts will be only be permitted for:
  • the transportation of fuel, cargo and goods
  • emergency medical attention, for a life-threatening condition
  • the return of South African nationals, permanent residents, or persons with other valid visas
  • travelling diplomats
  • the departure of foreign nationals
  • daily commuters from neighbouring countries who attend school in South Africa
.
International travel via airports remains unchanged.

Ban on the sale of alcohol has been extended
South African president Cyril Ramaphosa says that the country has secured 20 million vaccine doses to combat the coronavirus, which are to be delivered ‘mainly’ in the first half of the year.

The government last week announced it had struck a deal for an initial 1.5 million doses of a vaccine developed by AstraZeneca Plc and the University of Oxford from The Serum Institute of India Ltd, with first shipments set to arrive this month, Bloomberg reported.

It will aim to inoculate two-thirds of the population by the end of the year.
https://businesstech.co.za/news/trendin ... ramaphosa/
:thumbup:

Good news on the vaccine front.

Not sure which vaccine it will be but hopefully the J&J vaccine which will be manufactured in SA and only requires one dose per person
Just been reading about this one jab adenovirus vaccine
I think USA modelling timescles are based upon using the J nd J vaccine.
Fingers crossed
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bimboman wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:27 pm
Petej wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:57 am
bimboman wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:24 am
Gospel wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:16 am
bimboman wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:34 pm



They also cost lives and ruin them as well. They have a cost. This has never been seriously accounted for by the Government, that’s a disgrace.
I think you have to save the lives you can now. The virus is the immediate threat though the longer we are in lockdown the greater the long term ramifications will be - so thank feck we have a vaccine and a way out of this mess. It would have been inhuman to allow the NHS to be overrun and tens of thousands more die simply because someone estimated it was the lesser evil over the course of the next decade.


I’ll be absolutely serious that’s a political decision regarding deaths not a good one.

And yes there’s health service restrictions at the start, but that should NOT be the case now 8 Months in. The Nightingales were a sham it appears, the staffing issue though I agree an issue could have been addressed with some of the 22 Billion wasted on test and trace (where has that money gone?).

The main issue here is the government, but the service and PHE are also to blame, the lost of “sign offs” required to be a volunteer vaccinator demonstrate that the “organisation “ has made no adaptations to the situation at all.

Meanwhile the deaths in longer time frames will be horrendous and unseen.
I know one volunteer vaccinator and he had no issues (training no different from other corporate type training) but under 40 and used to modern world bullshit.

Agree fully on test and trace especially as the results indicate the scottish and welsh efforts have been better than serco by expanding existing systems. It would only work properly as a fully linked system (supporting people to isolate, doing border testing properly) with low prevalence ala south Korea but government never really aimed for that if they had any plan at all overall. The cluelessness at the top of government is shocking and how gavin williamson hasn't been replaced bemuses me. Dealing with a weak indecisive ditherer is a disaster when you need to be pro-active. To make the same mistake 3 times and not fix issues with things like test and trace in-between is retarded. They have managed to maximise all harms both long and short on every uk age demographic. I think PR and image management should fall behind public health and difficult decisions in times of crisis. Nightingales were good PR as was operation last gasp- complete bullshit in reality. It's a shit sandwich stop pretending it isn't and promising bullshit (send it packing in 12 weeks, over by Christmas etc...) there are still massive uncertainties even with the vaccines. Government good at PR, campaigning and bullshit bad at governing. I'm sure the costs will be covered by the under 50s in line with the last ten years of gerontocracy.

The other issue being that the operations of he State the government has are shit, PHE is shit, the NHS is shit, the school authorities are shit, the basic function of counting who is in the country and who isn’t and border control are shit.

Yeah agree Williamson, Hancock and a fair few others are clowns, but the actual operation of the state in this country has failed.
Processes will all be a lot more joined-up following this outbreak, though. Lots of money has been thrown at actually creating some.
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C69 wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:41 pm
Jensrsa wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:35 pm
Jensrsa wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:18 pm SA
Government has decided to close all of South Africa's land border crossings until at least 15 February 2021, President Cyril Ramaphosa announced on Monday night.

Travel into and out of South Africa through these border posts will be only be permitted for:
  • the transportation of fuel, cargo and goods
  • emergency medical attention, for a life-threatening condition
  • the return of South African nationals, permanent residents, or persons with other valid visas
  • travelling diplomats
  • the departure of foreign nationals
  • daily commuters from neighbouring countries who attend school in South Africa
.
International travel via airports remains unchanged.

Ban on the sale of alcohol has been extended
South African president Cyril Ramaphosa says that the country has secured 20 million vaccine doses to combat the coronavirus, which are to be delivered ‘mainly’ in the first half of the year.

The government last week announced it had struck a deal for an initial 1.5 million doses of a vaccine developed by AstraZeneca Plc and the University of Oxford from The Serum Institute of India Ltd, with first shipments set to arrive this month, Bloomberg reported.

It will aim to inoculate two-thirds of the population by the end of the year.
https://businesstech.co.za/news/trendin ... ramaphosa/
:thumbup:

Good news on the vaccine front.

Not sure which vaccine it will be but hopefully the J&J vaccine which will be manufactured in SA and only requires one dose per person
Just been reading about this one jab adenovirus vaccine
I think USA modelling timescles are based upon using the J nd J vaccine.
Fingers crossed
Fingers cossed indeed. This is the big one with the billion dollar backing. Phase 3 are still ongoing or haven't they started yet?
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message #2527204 wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:44 pm
C69 wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:41 pm
Jensrsa wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:35 pm
Jensrsa wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:18 pm SA
Government has decided to close all of South Africa's land border crossings until at least 15 February 2021, President Cyril Ramaphosa announced on Monday night.

Travel into and out of South Africa through these border posts will be only be permitted for:
  • the transportation of fuel, cargo and goods
  • emergency medical attention, for a life-threatening condition
  • the return of South African nationals, permanent residents, or persons with other valid visas
  • travelling diplomats
  • the departure of foreign nationals
  • daily commuters from neighbouring countries who attend school in South Africa
.
International travel via airports remains unchanged.

Ban on the sale of alcohol has been extended
South African president Cyril Ramaphosa says that the country has secured 20 million vaccine doses to combat the coronavirus, which are to be delivered ‘mainly’ in the first half of the year.

The government last week announced it had struck a deal for an initial 1.5 million doses of a vaccine developed by AstraZeneca Plc and the University of Oxford from The Serum Institute of India Ltd, with first shipments set to arrive this month, Bloomberg reported.

It will aim to inoculate two-thirds of the population by the end of the year.
https://businesstech.co.za/news/trendin ... ramaphosa/
:thumbup:

Good news on the vaccine front.

Not sure which vaccine it will be but hopefully the J&J vaccine which will be manufactured in SA and only requires one dose per person
Just been reading about this one jab adenovirus vaccine
I think USA modelling timescles are based upon using the J nd J vaccine.
Fingers crossed
Fingers cossed indeed. This is the big one with the billion dollar backing. Phase 3 are still ongoing or haven't they started yet?
Results to be published on the 21st iirc
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Processes will all be a lot more joined-up following this outbreak, though. Lots of money has been thrown at actually creating some.
What absolute shit, 6 months in we had the November “lockdown” to protect health and other services. 2 months on we are locked down again with the media arguing and the. Government commenting on how long a bike ride should be and whether sitting on a bench is an issue , apart from that there’s no evidence of joined up thinking.

Lots of money is sitting in the 11,000 20 tonne containers full of PPE that are littering up airfields and other sites around the country and is quietly being sold off for 10p in the £.
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C69 wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:39 pm
Ali's Choice wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:33 pm
bimboman wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:29 pm I find the concept of sitting at home and watching the government close airports being a big thing the population did as funny yes. As should everyone,
You constantly troll SH posters about our response to COVID-19, and then cry like a baby if anyone gets angry and responds in kind :thumbdown:

I won't rise to your bait. Needless to say you are immensely ignorant.
Mungo was just as bad (hyperbole obvs) tarring us all with the same brush.
I guess the big difference is that SH posters don't belittle NH posters for the sacrifices you have made. We know you're suffering right now, and we know the massive challenges you are facing.

Bimboman's comments just belittle people's sacrifices. He mocks us by saying that all we have done is sit around watching closed airports. The city of Melbourne was in lockdown for most of 2020. Just last weekend the city of Brisbane was shut down over one positive case. We are making sacrifices too, and when NH posters mock us it's no surprise that occasionally a poster will snap and react, like Mungo Man did.
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bimboman wrote:The other issue being that the operations of he State the government has are shit, PHE is shit, the NHS is shit, the school authorities are shit, the basic function of counting who is in the country and who isn’t and border control are shit.

Yeah agree Williamson, Hancock and a fair few others are clowns, but the actual operation of the state in this country has failed.
Mostly agree with that. We have been found totally wanting in almost every department including personal responsibility. I would hope lessons will be learned and there will be changes - but who am I kidding. This is our lot.
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Ali's Choice wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:52 pm
C69 wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:39 pm
Ali's Choice wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:33 pm
bimboman wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:29 pm I find the concept of sitting at home and watching the government close airports being a big thing the population did as funny yes. As should everyone,
You constantly troll SH posters about our response to COVID-19, and then cry like a baby if anyone gets angry and responds in kind :thumbdown:

I won't rise to your bait. Needless to say you are immensely ignorant.
Mungo was just as bad (hyperbole obvs) tarring us all with the same brush.
I guess the big difference is that SH posters don't belittle NH posters for the sacrifices you have made. We know you're suffering right now, and we know the massive challenges you are facing.

Bimboman's comments just belittle people's sacrifices. He mocks us by saying that all we have done is sit around watching closed airports. The city of Melbourne was in lockdown for most of 2020. Just last weekend the city of Brisbane was shut down over one positive case. We are making sacrifices too, and when NH posters mock us it's no surprise that occasionally a poster will snap and react, like Mungo Man did.
You know better than to lump NH posters in with Bimbot. He is a genuine cunt who has no problem with this virus killing millions of people.
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bimboman wrote:Lots of money is sitting in the 11,000 20 tonne containers full of PPE that are littering up airfields and other sites around the country and is quietly being sold off for 10p in the £.
My mate who volunteered to be a tester was telling me how the NHS won't give them the good PPE so he has to wear the shitty stuff that constantly tears. Poor bastard has to be swabbed every other day.
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