Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

[Sandstorm]

3rd consecutive day that (weekly) new cases have fallen in my locality

Mine too. Lockdown is working here.

[C69]

3rd consecutive day that (weekly) new cases have fallen in my locality

Mine too. Lockdown is working here.

Mine's gone through the roof as was modelled tbh.
In local areas the Critical Care beds are rammed.

Feck I hate working in the NHS

[ovalball]

3rd consecutive day that (weekly) new cases have fallen in my locality

Mine too. Lockdown is working here.

Mine's gone through the roof as was modelled tbh.
In local areas the Critical Care beds are rammed.

Feck I hate working in the NHS

Ours did increase from almost nothing (officially 'suppressed') to 500 cases per 100K - in a very short space of time - so never quite in the very worst of areas. Back down to around 300 now.

Generally, people around here stick pretty closely to the restrictions - almost never see anyone in a shop without a mask and the roads are now very quiet.

[eldanielfire]

We went into lockdown in late march and cases still went up for most of April. Have you read your news upside down for the past year?

Cases went up because we went from testing 10 to 10,000 a day etc. It’s an irrelevance.

Testing only increased in a significant way at the end of April/start of May, that is when we started to see cases go down, so increased testing did not show an increase jump in the positive test figures.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/testing

By any estimate, the R value was tumbling during March. It was below 1 in the UK just a few days after, and likely was before lockdown.

R was below 1 in Ireland pre Lockdown.

The R value went down in march because other measures were already being taken (Guidance on hand washing and social distancing etc) by us and our neighbours. By the way I don't think Lockdowns on their own are that effective. Combined with a number of other measures they are.

[bimboman]

3rd consecutive day that (weekly) new cases have fallen in my locality

Mine too. Lockdown is working here.

Simpleton.

[RodneyRegis]

3rd consecutive day that (weekly) new cases have fallen in my locality

Mine too. Lockdown is working here.

Simpleton.

Minimal cases in June will prove once and for all that lockdown has worked.

[bimboman]

3rd consecutive day that (weekly) new cases have fallen in my locality

Mine too. Lockdown is working here.

Simpleton.

Minimal cases in June will prove once and for all that lockdown has worked.

Hey, at least we might be able to buy a takeaway without being hauled before the beak.

[bimboman]

We may need to accept, if the vaccine doesn’t prevent transmission then we will have to allow the disease to circulate in younger people where it’s not causing much harm”

Starter for 10 on who said this.

[Working Class Rugger]

I've had three members of my mothers side of the family in Ireland confirmed to have Covid in the past week and another confirmed just after new years having come into contact with someone just prior to Christmas. Three aunts and one uncle. All of my aunt's have reported minimal symptoms but my uncle is in bed with a more severe case.

How widespread is it in Dublin in particular? As according to them they couldn't have caught it from one another as they haven't seen each other in attempts to prevent this happeningfor a few months in person.
I have an uncle that was told out right that if he got it he'd probably die thanks to issues with his lungs. So everyone's been trying to minimise the cross over as much as possible.

But here we are. Either they're very unlucky or they're not being totally honest with my mother.

[Frodder]

We may need to accept, if the vaccine doesn’t prevent transmission then we will have to allow the disease to circulate in younger people where it’s not causing much harm”

Starter for 10 on who said this.

Come on Bambi, who did?

[MungoMan]

We may need to accept, if the vaccine doesn’t prevent transmission then we will have to allow the disease to circulate in younger people where it’s not causing much harm”

Starter for 10 on who said this.

Come on Bambi, who did?

Millionaire Keir Starmer?

Nah, too obvious.

[Leinsterman]

But here we are. Either they're very unlucky or they're not being totally honest with my mother.

Could be a bit of both to be honest.
My wife's aunt and cousin both caught it. Both just have mild symptoms and swore they had no idea where they caught it because they had been at home all Christmas. They said all they had done was go into one shop in the city centre to exchange an item, got a takeaway coffee and went home. They also walked in and out.
Turns out the son also sneaked off another day and met mates for a coffee and then took a tram home (which was full).
Work colleague now has it and got it from his wife who is a midwife so they assume she caught it in work. She's early 40s and healthy bar asthma and had to go to hospital for a couple of days last week with breathing difficulties but is now home and improving.
Another work colleague had a mild case of it last October but is still occasionally getting pains in her chest and arms.
It really is an odd disease.

[C69]

Ffs you lot it was the senior PHE immunologist.
Try googling it will tell you her name.

Google Great Barrington Declaration and herd immunity

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We may need to accept, if the vaccine doesn’t prevent transmission then we will have to allow the disease to circulate in younger people where it’s not causing much harm”

Starter for 10 on who said this.

If it does prevent transmission we're going to allow it to circulate in younger people.

[bimboman]

We may need to accept, if the vaccine doesn’t prevent transmission then we will have to allow the disease to circulate in younger people where it’s not causing much harm”

Starter for 10 on who said this.

Come on Bambi, who did?

A lady from pub'c health England to the parliamentary select committee on the subject yesterday, the “swivel” in position is gently starting. No one other than the public will eventually carry any blame for mistakes.

[bimboman]

https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1 ... 4102365184

The number having to wait more than 52 weeks to start hospital treatment in England stood at 192,169 in November 2020… In November 2019, the number stood at just 1,398.”

But hey that’s ok.

[RodneyRegis]

https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1 ... 4102365184

The number having to wait more than 52 weeks to start hospital treatment in England stood at 192,169 in November 2020… In November 2019, the number stood at just 1,398.”

But hey that’s ok.

Of course, our heroes at the NHS took the opportunity to catch up throughout summer with covid hospitalisations at a bare minimum.

[message #2527204]

https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1 ... 4102365184

The number having to wait more than 52 weeks to start hospital treatment in England stood at 192,169 in November 2020… In November 2019, the number stood at just 1,398.”

But hey that’s ok.

It's not OK, but there have been covid patients needing beds and ICU. There's been a worldwide pandemic of a deadly new virus, just to bring you up to date.

[message #2527204]

https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1 ... 4102365184

The number having to wait more than 52 weeks to start hospital treatment in England stood at 192,169 in November 2020… In November 2019, the number stood at just 1,398.”

But hey that’s ok.

Of course, our heroes at the NHS took the opportunity to catch up throughout summer with covid hospitalisations at a bare minimum.

There are 10m operations a year in the NHS. You can't shut it down for months and then catch up in a few weeks.

[RodneyRegis]

https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1 ... 4102365184

The number having to wait more than 52 weeks to start hospital treatment in England stood at 192,169 in November 2020… In November 2019, the number stood at just 1,398.”

But hey that’s ok.

It's not OK, but there have been covid patients needing beds and ICU. There's been a worldwide pandemic of a deadly new virus, just to bring you up to date.

As if they've been at capacity throughout the year.

[RodneyRegis]

https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1 ... 4102365184

The number having to wait more than 52 weeks to start hospital treatment in England stood at 192,169 in November 2020… In November 2019, the number stood at just 1,398.”

But hey that’s ok.

Of course, our heroes at the NHS took the opportunity to catch up throughout summer with covid hospitalisations at a bare minimum.

There are 10m operations a year in the NHS. You can't shut it down for months and then catch up in a few weeks.

Thanks captain obvious.

[message #2527204]

https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1 ... 4102365184

The number having to wait more than 52 weeks to start hospital treatment in England stood at 192,169 in November 2020… In November 2019, the number stood at just 1,398.”

But hey that’s ok.

It's not OK, but there have been covid patients needing beds and ICU. There's been a worldwide pandemic of a deadly new virus, just to bring you up to date.

As if they've been at capacity throughout the year.

There are multiple measurements of 'capacity' in resoures. not just beds.

[bimboman]

https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1 ... 4102365184

The number having to wait more than 52 weeks to start hospital treatment in England stood at 192,169 in November 2020… In November 2019, the number stood at just 1,398.”

But hey that’s ok.

It's not OK, but there have been covid patients needing beds and ICU. There's been a worldwide pandemic of a deadly new virus, just to bring you up to date.

As if they've been at capacity throughout the year.

There are multiple measurements of 'capacity' in resoures. not just beds.

Phew, let’s measure it differently rather than acknowledge suffering.

[goose81]

I've had three members of my mothers side of the family in Ireland confirmed to have Covid in the past week and another confirmed just after new years having come into contact with someone just prior to Christmas. Three aunts and one uncle. All of my aunt's have reported minimal symptoms but my uncle is in bed with a more severe case.

How widespread is it in Dublin in particular? As according to them they couldn't have caught it from one another as they haven't seen each other in attempts to prevent this happeningfor a few months in person.
I have an uncle that was told out right that if he got it he'd probably die thanks to issues with his lungs. So everyone's been trying to minimise the cross over as much as possible.

But here we are. Either they're very unlucky or they're not being totally honest with my mother.

Not that widespread, I haven't heard of anyone I know who has had it.

[RodneyRegis]

https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1 ... 4102365184

The number having to wait more than 52 weeks to start hospital treatment in England stood at 192,169 in November 2020… In November 2019, the number stood at just 1,398.”

But hey that’s ok.

It's not OK, but there have been covid patients needing beds and ICU. There's been a worldwide pandemic of a deadly new virus, just to bring you up to date.

As if they've been at capacity throughout the year.

There are multiple measurements of 'capacity' in resoures. not just beds.

Go on.

When the wards were empty in July, why were operations still on hold? Why were cancer treatment start dates delayed throughout summer?

[message #2527204]

https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1 ... 4102365184






But hey that’s ok.

It's not OK, but there have been covid patients needing beds and ICU. There's been a worldwide pandemic of a deadly new virus, just to bring you up to date.

As if they've been at capacity throughout the year.

There are multiple measurements of 'capacity' in resoures. not just beds.

Phew, let’s measure it differently rather than acknowledge suffering.

WTF?

[message #2527204]

https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1 ... 4102365184






But hey that’s ok.

It's not OK, but there have been covid patients needing beds and ICU. There's been a worldwide pandemic of a deadly new virus, just to bring you up to date.

As if they've been at capacity throughout the year.

There are multiple measurements of 'capacity' in resoures. not just beds.

Go on.

When the wards were empty in July, why were operations still on hold? Why were cancer treatment start dates delayed throughout summer?

From the figures provided by bimbo, they managed to catch up with 9 800 000 operations

[Nolanator]

How widespread is it in Dublin in particular?

Not that widespread, I haven't heard of anyone I know who has had it.

Really? This is the first time I actually know a number of people who have it or have family members or friends who've got it. Some of my extended family had it back in March, but it was only confirmed by antibody testing.

This time around it seemed much closer to home and there's been a more obivious cloud over everything, given the number of cases and how I'm no longer quite as removed from it.

[terryfinch]

I heard someone on BBC Radio this afternoon say that two thirds of CV deaths are disabled people. That can't be right, surely.

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I heard someone on BBC Radio this afternoon say that two thirds of CV deaths are disabled people. That can't be right, surely.

yes, probably. Disabled includes bedridden old people, or people in care etc

[goose81]

How widespread is it in Dublin in particular?

Not that widespread, I haven't heard of anyone I know who has had it.

Really? This is the first time I actually know a number of people who have it or have family members or friends who've got it. Some of my extended family had it back in March, but it was only confirmed by antibody testing.

This time around it seemed much closer to home and there's been a more obivious cloud over everything, given the number of cases and how I'm no longer quite as removed from it.

Yep, a friends GF who is doctor in a hospital had it but she isn't based in Dublin and someone at work who lives up north has it. That's only people I have heard of having it.

Id imagine South Dublin's figures are lower than other parts of Dublin though so that's probably a contributory factor to my experience.

[Jensrsa]

Two more strains identified in the US
Johnson and Johnson says 1-shot vaccine shows promising results in early trial

Article:

J&J’s one-shot Covid vaccine is safe and generates promising immune response in early trial

J&J scientists randomly assigned healthy adults between the ages of 18 and 55 and those 65 and older to receive a high or low dose of its vaccine — called Ad26.COV2.S — or a placebo.

Most of the volunteers produced detectable neutralizing antibodies, which researchers believe play an important role in defending cells against the virus, after 28 days, according to the trial data.

By day 57, all volunteers had detectable antibodies, regardless of vaccine dose or age group, and remained stable for at least 71 days in the 18-to-55 age group.

...

The most common side effects were fever, fatigue, headache, muscle aches and pain at the injection site, according to the trial data. Side effects were less common in the older age group, who received only one dose of the vaccine, as well as those who received a lower dose of the vaccine, according to the data.

The phase one and two clinical trial data shows a single shot of the vaccine “gives sustainable antibodies,” Dr. Paul Stoffels, chief scientific officer at J&J, told CNBC’s Meg Tirrell in an interview. He added it gives the company “confidence” the vaccine will be highly effective against the virus.

The trial tested 805 volunteers. The company is expected to release results from its 45,000-person phase three trial later this month. J&J is using the same technologies it used to develop its Ebola vaccine for its Covid-19 vaccine.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/13/covid-v ... ponse.html

[Working Class Rugger]

How widespread is it in Dublin in particular?

Not that widespread, I haven't heard of anyone I know who has had it.

Really? This is the first time I actually know a number of people who have it or have family members or friends who've got it. Some of my extended family had it back in March, but it was only confirmed by antibody testing.

This time around it seemed much closer to home and there's been a more obivious cloud over everything, given the number of cases and how I'm no longer quite as removed from it.

It's been kind of weird for us here as well. I don't know anyone here that has had it but this winter up north it's becoming a feature of nearly everything my mother's hearing from her family.

I mean outside of the four I mentioned earlier one of my cousin's had to be tested after his girlfriend tested positive. He the son of the uncle who I mentioned was told he'd likely die if he got it. Seeing as my cousin lives at he with him that was a close call.

And after I posted last night I was informed another uncle (amicably divorced from my aunt) had it and may have been the source of my aunt's infection around Christmas as they still spend the holidays together when he flies in from Dubai.

Something that we're hearing is that they haven't been testing beyond the symptomatic. For example my cousin's didn't have to get tested despite my aunt having it and living in the same household. Is that true? Or is my mum getting her wires crossed on that one?

[CM11]

How widespread is it in Dublin in particular?

Not that widespread, I haven't heard of anyone I know who has had it.

Really? This is the first time I actually know a number of people who have it or have family members or friends who've got it. Some of my extended family had it back in March, but it was only confirmed by antibody testing.

This time around it seemed much closer to home and there's been a more obivious cloud over everything, given the number of cases and how I'm no longer quite as removed from it.

It's been kind of weird for us here as well. I don't know anyone here that has had it but this winter up north it's becoming a feature of nearly everything my mother's hearing from her family.

I mean outside of the four I mentioned earlier one of my cousin's had to be tested after his girlfriend tested positive. He the son of the uncle who I mentioned was told he'd likely die if he got it. Seeing as my cousin lives at he with him that was a close call.

And after I posted last night I was informed another uncle (amicably divorced from my aunt) had it and may have been the source of my aunt's infection around Christmas as they still spend the holidays together when he flies in from Dubai.

Something that we're hearing is that they haven't been testing beyond the symptomatic. For example my cousin's didn't have to get tested despite my aunt having it and living in the same household. Is that true? Or is my mum getting her wires crossed on that one?

We have stopped testing asymptomatic close contacts, for the moment, and are just asking them to isolate for 2 weeks (which they had to do anyway). It's because the advice is for everyone to stay home and we've lost control of it so knowing where it's been and going is meaningless.

[Leinsterman]

How widespread is it in Dublin in particular?

Not that widespread, I haven't heard of anyone I know who has had it.

Really? This is the first time I actually know a number of people who have it or have family members or friends who've got it. Some of my extended family had it back in March, but it was only confirmed by antibody testing.

This time around it seemed much closer to home and there's been a more obivious cloud over everything, given the number of cases and how I'm no longer quite as removed from it.

Yep, a friends GF who is doctor in a hospital had it but she isn't based in Dublin and someone at work who lives up north has it. That's only people I have heard of having it.

Id imagine South Dublin's figures are lower than other parts of Dublin though so that's probably a contributory factor to my experience.

Easy to check on the Covid Data Hub.
For example, both Balckrock and Dun Laoghaire LEAs have an incidence rate of over 1200 per 100,000 over the last fortnight

[EverReady]

How widespread is it in Dublin in particular?

Not that widespread, I haven't heard of anyone I know who has had it.

Really? This is the first time I actually know a number of people who have it or have family members or friends who've got it. Some of my extended family had it back in March, but it was only confirmed by antibody testing.

This time around it seemed much closer to home and there's been a more obivious cloud over everything, given the number of cases and how I'm no longer quite as removed from it.

Yep, a friends GF who is doctor in a hospital had it but she isn't based in Dublin and someone at work who lives up north has it. That's only people I have heard of having it.

Id imagine South Dublin's figures are lower than other parts of Dublin though so that's probably a contributory factor to my experience.

Templeogue and Terenure are riddled

[EverReady]

How widespread is it in Dublin in particular?

Not that widespread, I haven't heard of anyone I know who has had it.

Really? This is the first time I actually know a number of people who have it or have family members or friends who've got it. Some of my extended family had it back in March, but it was only confirmed by antibody testing.

This time around it seemed much closer to home and there's been a more obivious cloud over everything, given the number of cases and how I'm no longer quite as removed from it.

Yep, a friends GF who is doctor in a hospital had it but she isn't based in Dublin and someone at work who lives up north has it. That's only people I have heard of having it.

Id imagine South Dublin's figures are lower than other parts of Dublin though so that's probably a contributory factor to my experience.

Easy to check on the Covid Data Hub.
For example, both Balckrock and Dun Laoghaire LEAs have an incidence rate of over 1200 per 100,000 over the last fortnight

Tallaght was worst in Dublin and I think Terenure followed. Something like that

[Leinsterman]

Tallaght/Terenure - practically the same place anyway

[message #2527204]

Appears Khan is on the warpath because he thinks London should get vaccines in greater volumes and earlier than anywhere else.

[message #2527204]

Happy Birthday virus

Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China

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