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ovalball wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:39 pm

Petej wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:09 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:04 pm

The EU has exported (41 million) a lot more doses than the UK and USA.

Exported vaccines they don’t want to use themselves? Well give them a bloody medal!!

Plenty of those vaccines have been Pfizer ones. They will be used. FYI USA have a lot of unused vaccines sitting around as well. Tens of millions according to the link below.
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-as-m ... ing-2021-3

You'd think that the EU, with such manufacturing capacity within its' own borders, would have been able to, legally, ensure supplies to its' own countries. It's just more evidence of how poorly they have managed things.

Petej wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:09 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:04 pm

The EU has exported (41 million) a lot more doses than the UK and USA.

Exported vaccines they don’t want to use themselves? Well give them a bloody medal!!

Plenty of those vaccines have been Pfizer ones. They will be used. FYI USA have a lot of unused vaccines sitting around as well. Tens of millions according to the link below.
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-as-m ... ing-2021-3

The South African Health Products Regulatory Authority (SAHPRA) on Tuesday approved the Pfizer/BioNTech coronavirus vaccine for human use.

...

South Africa has already ordered 20 million doses of the vaccine, which is yet to arrive. Its arrival date is still to be made clear.

The vaccine rollout to South Africans has not begun yet. The Johnson & Johnson vaccine currently being given to healthcare workers is part of the implementation study for that vaccine.

bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:34 pm European Pfizer vaccine factories are reliant on raw materials delivered from the U.K.


Just saying.

A newborn in Florida is thought to be the first baby in the world born with COVID-19 antibodies after their parent received a vaccination. The pregnant mother reportedly received the first dose of the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine about 3 weeks before giving birth to the baby girl. In a co-written paper, two pediatricians say they tested blood from the child's umbilical cord for antibodies and detected them 'at time of delivery'.

'Thus, there is potential for protection and infection risk reduction from SARS-CoV-2 with maternal vaccination,' the doctors wrote. The paper itself has yet to be peer-reviewed.

bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:34 pm European Pfizer vaccine factories are reliant on raw materials delivered from the U.K.


Just saying.

Jensrsa wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:33 pm

Petej wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:09 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:04 pm

The EU has exported (41 million) a lot more doses than the UK and USA.

Exported vaccines they don’t want to use themselves? Well give them a bloody medal!!

Plenty of those vaccines have been Pfizer ones. They will be used. FYI USA have a lot of unused vaccines sitting around as well. Tens of millions according to the link below.
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-as-m ... ing-2021-3

AstraZeneca hasn't been approved in the US yet. Apparently they are only applying for FDA approval beginning April. Surely it makes no sense for the US to hold on to these vaccines

message #2527204 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:50 pm

Jensrsa wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:33 pm

Petej wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:09 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:04 pm

The EU has exported (41 million) a lot more doses than the UK and USA.

Exported vaccines they don’t want to use themselves? Well give them a bloody medal!!

Plenty of those vaccines have been Pfizer ones. They will be used. FYI USA have a lot of unused vaccines sitting around as well. Tens of millions according to the link below.
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-as-m ... ing-2021-3

AstraZeneca hasn't been approved in the US yet. Apparently they are only applying for FDA approval beginning April. Surely it makes no sense for the US to hold on to these vaccines

Although this could never happen in the good ol' USofA, if I was cynical, it sounds a little like the market has being fiddled so that a vaccine at 1 tenth the cost doesn't reach the market before the killing has been made.

Petej wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:49 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:34 pm European Pfizer vaccine factories are reliant on raw materials delivered from the U.K.


Just saying.

The likelihood of us not being reliant on the EU for some raw materials very, very low.

Petej wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:56 pm

message #2527204 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:50 pm

Jensrsa wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:33 pm

Petej wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:09 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:04 pm

Exported vaccines they don’t want to use themselves? Well give them a bloody medal!!

Plenty of those vaccines have been Pfizer ones. They will be used. FYI USA have a lot of unused vaccines sitting around as well. Tens of millions according to the link below.
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-as-m ... ing-2021-3

AstraZeneca hasn't been approved in the US yet. Apparently they are only applying for FDA approval beginning April. Surely it makes no sense for the US to hold on to these vaccines

Although this could never happen in the good ol' USofA, if I was cynical, it sounds a little like the market has being fiddled so that a vaccine at 1 tenth the cost doesn't reach the market before the killing has been made.

Can't see why you would think that. The good old US of A are the free trade champions of the world.

iarmhiman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:36 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:34 pm European Pfizer vaccine factories are reliant on raw materials delivered from the U.K.


Just saying.

Can't be sourced from elsewhere?

Petej wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:49 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:34 pm European Pfizer vaccine factories are reliant on raw materials delivered from the U.K.


Just saying.

The likelihood of us not being reliant on the EU for some raw materials very, very low.

bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 5:03 pm

Gospel wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 5:01 pm

terryfinch wrote:EU stuff

For me what really jumps out is this assertion that any vaccine manufactured on the Continent is by default an EU vaccine and not the product of internationally owned private companies.

It’s properly seizing the production stuff. They’ll not be a private company left with assets in the bloc after this. They’ll all be moving,

Jensrsa wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:37 pm

A newborn in Florida is thought to be the first baby in the world born with COVID-19 antibodies after their parent received a vaccination. The pregnant mother reportedly received the first dose of the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine about 3 weeks before giving birth to the baby girl. In a co-written paper, two pediatricians say they tested blood from the child's umbilical cord for antibodies and detected them 'at time of delivery'.

'Thus, there is potential for protection and infection risk reduction from SARS-CoV-2 with maternal vaccination,' the doctors wrote. The paper itself has yet to be peer-reviewed.

https://www.youtube.com/post/UgzqgB8LrJ-xTHmque14AaABCQ

shanky wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:04 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 5:03 pm

Gospel wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 5:01 pm

terryfinch wrote:EU stuff

For me what really jumps out is this assertion that any vaccine manufactured on the Continent is by default an EU vaccine and not the product of internationally owned private companies.

It’s properly seizing the production stuff. They’ll not be a private company left with assets in the bloc after this. They’ll all be moving,

This ‘Sovereign Risk’ is a fairly big deal for me

Would you build a strategic-asset facility in the EU after this, knowing that some Brussels person could seize it?

Would a bank fund any such factory, knowing the asset might be in jeopardy?

I know most of this is sabre rattling, but there are long term consequences of this kind of talk.

bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:10 pm

shanky wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:04 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 5:03 pm

Gospel wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 5:01 pm

terryfinch wrote:EU stuff

For me what really jumps out is this assertion that any vaccine manufactured on the Continent is by default an EU vaccine and not the product of internationally owned private companies.

It’s properly seizing the production stuff. They’ll not be a private company left with assets in the bloc after this. They’ll all be moving,

This ‘Sovereign Risk’ is a fairly big deal for me

Would you build a strategic-asset facility in the EU after this, knowing that some Brussels person could seize it?

Would a bank fund any such factory, knowing the asset might be in jeopardy?

I know most of this is sabre rattling, but there are long term consequences of this kind of talk.

Yes, although we can all have a laugh, this would be a serious threat to success in Europe, and partially a problem globally because it would / could be used by less democratic states to justify similar.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:04 pm

The EU has exported (41 million) a lot more doses than the UK and USA.

Exported vaccines they don’t want to use themselves? Well give them a bloody medal!!

shanky wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:14 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:10 pm

shanky wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:04 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 5:03 pm

Gospel wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 5:01 pm

For me what really jumps out is this assertion that any vaccine manufactured on the Continent is by default an EU vaccine and not the product of internationally owned private companies.

It’s properly seizing the production stuff. They’ll not be a private company left with assets in the bloc after this. They’ll all be moving,

This ‘Sovereign Risk’ is a fairly big deal for me

Would you build a strategic-asset facility in the EU after this, knowing that some Brussels person could seize it?

Would a bank fund any such factory, knowing the asset might be in jeopardy?

I know most of this is sabre rattling, but there are long term consequences of this kind of talk.

Yes, although we can all have a laugh, this would be a serious threat to success in Europe, and partially a problem globally because it would / could be used by less democratic states to justify similar.

This has always been the most shocking part of the EU for me

Presumably the Commission was set up (at least in part) to smooth out the short-term political knee-jerks of local politicians.
Instead, they have Commission presidents making outrageous populist statements and policies, without even the benefit of being elected.

At least Trump was elected

iarmhiman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:34 pm

shanky wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:14 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:10 pm

shanky wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:04 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 5:03 pm



It’s properly seizing the production stuff. They’ll not be a private company left with assets in the bloc after this. They’ll all be moving,

This ‘Sovereign Risk’ is a fairly big deal for me

Would you build a strategic-asset facility in the EU after this, knowing that some Brussels person could seize it?

Would a bank fund any such factory, knowing the asset might be in jeopardy?

I know most of this is sabre rattling, but there are long term consequences of this kind of talk.

Yes, although we can all have a laugh, this would be a serious threat to success in Europe, and partially a problem globally because it would / could be used by less democratic states to justify similar.

This has always been the most shocking part of the EU for me

Presumably the Commission was set up (at least in part) to smooth out the short-term political knee-jerks of local politicians.
Instead, they have Commission presidents making outrageous populist statements and policies, without even the benefit of being elected.

At least Trump was elected

None of the departments of state leaders are elected in the US though. They're unelected bureaucrats as well.

In the EU the commission president is chosen by the leaders of the countries of the EU27 ( EU Council) and ratified by Parliament who are made up of elected MEPs

shanky wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:39 pm The US team leaders are appointed by the President, every 5 years. They carry the political risk of unpopular policies and can be fired at any time

Can UVL be reprimanded or realistically fired for making these (frankly outrageous) thought-bubbles?

terryfinch wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:39 pm

iarmhiman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:34 pm

shanky wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:14 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:10 pm

shanky wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:04 pm

This ‘Sovereign Risk’ is a fairly big deal for me

Would you build a strategic-asset facility in the EU after this, knowing that some Brussels person could seize it?

Would a bank fund any such factory, knowing the asset might be in jeopardy?

I know most of this is sabre rattling, but there are long term consequences of this kind of talk.

Yes, although we can all have a laugh, this would be a serious threat to success in Europe, and partially a problem globally because it would / could be used by less democratic states to justify similar.

This has always been the most shocking part of the EU for me

Presumably the Commission was set up (at least in part) to smooth out the short-term political knee-jerks of local politicians.
Instead, they have Commission presidents making outrageous populist statements and policies, without even the benefit of being elected.

At least Trump was elected

None of the departments of state leaders are elected in the US though. They're unelected bureaucrats as well.

In the EU the commission president is chosen by the leaders of the countries of the EU27 ( EU Council) and ratified by Parliament who are made up of elected MEPs

Are you seriously saying VDL is the best person in the EU for the job? Apparently she was a disaster in German politics.

iarmhiman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:41 pm

shanky wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:39 pm The US team leaders are appointed by the President, every 5 years. They carry the political risk of unpopular policies and can be fired at any time

Can UVL be reprimanded or realistically fired for making these (frankly outrageous) thought-bubbles?

She has a term of 5 years as well. EU Commissioners can be fired but the EU Commission president can only be removed by a vote of no confidence in the EU parliament

shanky wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:46 pm

iarmhiman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:41 pm

shanky wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:39 pm The US team leaders are appointed by the President, every 5 years. They carry the political risk of unpopular policies and can be fired at any time

Can UVL be reprimanded or realistically fired for making these (frankly outrageous) thought-bubbles?

She has a term of 5 years as well. EU Commissioners can be fired but the EU Commission president can only be removed by a vote of no confidence in the EU parliament

I just think it’s weird that she calmly can say things that, if uttered by Donald Trump, would bring on 20 pages of umbrage.

clementinfrance wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:20 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:04 pm

The EU has exported (41 million) a lot more doses than the UK and USA.

Exported vaccines they don’t want to use themselves? Well give them a bloody medal!!

UK got over 9 million doses from the EU in February.

According to Matt Wanksock the UK vaccinated 11 million Brits in Feb.

shanky wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:51 pm We’re talking about seizing factories!

If you’re on the Board at Boeing and thinking about setting up in Europe, you’ll be thinking twice about where you go.

There’s been plenty of talk about London losing its financial hub status. I expect that will die off now.

I’ve got nothing against the EU, quite the opposite - but the rest of the world doesn’t get that Federalist vibe and so its virtues look like fickleness to us outsiders

Trostan wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:52 pm

clementinfrance wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:20 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:04 pm

The EU has exported (41 million) a lot more doses than the UK and USA.

Exported vaccines they don’t want to use themselves? Well give them a bloody medal!!

UK got over 9 million doses from the EU in February.

According to Matt Wanksock the UK vaccinated 11 million Brits in Feb.

How dare you let reality upset the little Englanders' concept of the inefficient, undemocratic and bullying EU.
They're happy with their no constitution, first past the post, unelected Lords, forelock-tugging Monarchy

bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:01 pm

Trostan wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:52 pm

clementinfrance wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:20 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:04 pm

The EU has exported (41 million) a lot more doses than the UK and USA.

Exported vaccines they don’t want to use themselves? Well give them a bloody medal!!

UK got over 9 million doses from the EU in February.

According to Matt Wanksock the UK vaccinated 11 million Brits in Feb.

How dare you let reality upset the little Englanders' concept of the inefficient, undemocratic and bullying EU.
They're happy with their no constitution, first past the post, unelected Lords, forelock-tugging Monarchy

It doesn’t upset anyone here to know we have better Negotiators, contract lawyers and medical regulators.....

The EU btw haven’t supplied a thing. Private businesses and factories have.

shanky wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:51 pm We’re talking about seizing factories!

If you’re on the Board at Boeing and thinking about setting up in Europe, you’ll be thinking twice about where you go.

There’s been plenty of talk about London losing its financial hub status. I expect that will die off now.

I’ve got nothing against the EU, quite the opposite - but the rest of the world doesn’t get that Federalist vibe and so its virtues look like fickleness to us outsiders

bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:01 pm

Trostan wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:52 pm

clementinfrance wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:20 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:04 pm

The EU has exported (41 million) a lot more doses than the UK and USA.

Exported vaccines they don’t want to use themselves? Well give them a bloody medal!!

UK got over 9 million doses from the EU in February.

According to Matt Wanksock the UK vaccinated 11 million Brits in Feb.

How dare you let reality upset the little Englanders' concept of the inefficient, undemocratic and bullying EU.
They're happy with their no constitution, first past the post, unelected Lords, forelock-tugging Monarchy

It doesn’t upset anyone here to know we have better Negotiators, contract lawyers and medical regulators.....

The EU btw haven’t supplied a thing. Private businesses and factories have.

iarmhiman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:58 pm

shanky wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:51 pm We’re talking about seizing factories!

If you’re on the Board at Boeing and thinking about setting up in Europe, you’ll be thinking twice about where you go.

There’s been plenty of talk about London losing its financial hub status. I expect that will die off now.

I’ve got nothing against the EU, quite the opposite - but the rest of the world doesn’t get that Federalist vibe and so its virtues look like fickleness to us outsiders

London will always be a financial hub.

If they lose anything related to financial services it can only be to services relating to EU countries. They will always have the rest of the world. London will continue to be a global financial hub.

There is bad feeling between the EU and UK and it is likely to stay that way for years . It's not in the EU'S interest to make life easy for the UK. Likewise having having the EU to blame is a good deflection and distraction tactic for the Tory government.

iarmhiman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:58 pm

shanky wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:51 pm We’re talking about seizing factories!

If you’re on the Board at Boeing and thinking about setting up in Europe, you’ll be thinking twice about where you go.

There’s been plenty of talk about London losing its financial hub status. I expect that will die off now.

I’ve got nothing against the EU, quite the opposite - but the rest of the world doesn’t get that Federalist vibe and so its virtues look like fickleness to us outsiders

London will always be a financial hub.

If they lose anything related to financial services it can only be to services relating to EU countries. They will always have the rest of the world. London will continue to be a global financial hub.

There is bad feeling between the EU and UK and it is likely to stay that way for years . It's not in the EU'S interest to make life easy for the UK. Likewise having having the EU to blame is a good deflection and distraction tactic for the Tory government.

Trostan wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:06 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:01 pm

Trostan wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:52 pm

clementinfrance wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:20 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:04 pm

Exported vaccines they don’t want to use themselves? Well give them a bloody medal!!

UK got over 9 million doses from the EU in February.

According to Matt Wanksock the UK vaccinated 11 million Brits in Feb.

How dare you let reality upset the little Englanders' concept of the inefficient, undemocratic and bullying EU.
They're happy with their no constitution, first past the post, unelected Lords, forelock-tugging Monarchy

It doesn’t upset anyone here to know we have better Negotiators, contract lawyers and medical regulators.....

The EU btw haven’t supplied a thing. Private businesses and factories have.

Of course you have...
Look what a brilliant success you made of the Brexit process....
They'll have their opportunity in negotiating their way through thelegal ramifications of breaking international treaties

bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:10 pm

iarmhiman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:58 pm

shanky wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:51 pm We’re talking about seizing factories!

If you’re on the Board at Boeing and thinking about setting up in Europe, you’ll be thinking twice about where you go.

There’s been plenty of talk about London losing its financial hub status. I expect that will die off now.

I’ve got nothing against the EU, quite the opposite - but the rest of the world doesn’t get that Federalist vibe and so its virtues look like fickleness to us outsiders

London will always be a financial hub.

If they lose anything related to financial services it can only be to services relating to EU countries. They will always have the rest of the world. London will continue to be a global financial hub.

There is bad feeling between the EU and UK and it is likely to stay that way for years . It's not in the EU'S interest to make life easy for the UK. Likewise having having the EU to blame is a good deflection and distraction tactic for the Tory government.

There’s little or no bad feeling from the U.K. towards the EU. The Government have been incredibly restrained over the Vaccine and AZ issues. Little media bias either.


The idea that the EU has gone from conqueror to victim in 3 months is amusing though.

bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:10 pm

iarmhiman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:58 pm

shanky wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:51 pm We’re talking about seizing factories!

If you’re on the Board at Boeing and thinking about setting up in Europe, you’ll be thinking twice about where you go.

There’s been plenty of talk about London losing its financial hub status. I expect that will die off now.

I’ve got nothing against the EU, quite the opposite - but the rest of the world doesn’t get that Federalist vibe and so its virtues look like fickleness to us outsiders

London will always be a financial hub.

If they lose anything related to financial services it can only be to services relating to EU countries. They will always have the rest of the world. London will continue to be a global financial hub.

There is bad feeling between the EU and UK and it is likely to stay that way for years . It's not in the EU'S interest to make life easy for the UK. Likewise having having the EU to blame is a good deflection and distraction tactic for the Tory government.

There’s little or no bad feeling from the U.K. towards the EU. The Government have been incredibly restrained over the Vaccine and AZ issues. Little media bias either.


The idea that the EU has gone from conqueror to victim in 3 months is amusing though.

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:10 pm

iarmhiman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:58 pm

shanky wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:51 pm We’re talking about seizing factories!

If you’re on the Board at Boeing and thinking about setting up in Europe, you’ll be thinking twice about where you go.

There’s been plenty of talk about London losing its financial hub status. I expect that will die off now.

I’ve got nothing against the EU, quite the opposite - but the rest of the world doesn’t get that Federalist vibe and so its virtues look like fickleness to us outsiders

London will always be a financial hub.

If they lose anything related to financial services it can only be to services relating to EU countries. They will always have the rest of the world. London will continue to be a global financial hub.

There is bad feeling between the EU and UK and it is likely to stay that way for years . It's not in the EU'S interest to make life easy for the UK. Likewise having having the EU to blame is a good deflection and distraction tactic for the Tory government.

I disagree. It's in the EUs interests of it's people, business and finances to make life easy for both sides. A high tide raises all ships and it's not a zero sum game.

However, politicians with an interest in the EU institution being ever bigger and integrated, for good or ill, do think it is a zero sum game. Which is an attitude causing nothing but self harm at the moment.

shanky wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 12:30 am

Sputnik V wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 12:25 am I would prefer if you used the term poo poo as it has a softer feel about it

I’d really rather not think about that aspect too much, if that’s OK

Trostan wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:06 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:01 pm

Trostan wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:52 pm

clementinfrance wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:20 pm

UK got over 9 million doses from the EU in February.

According to Matt Wanksock the UK vaccinated 11 million Brits in Feb.

How dare you let reality upset the little Englanders' concept of the inefficient, undemocratic and bullying EU.
They're happy with their no constitution, first past the post, unelected Lords, forelock-tugging Monarchy

It doesn’t upset anyone here to know we have better Negotiators, contract lawyers and medical regulators.....

The EU btw haven’t supplied a thing. Private businesses and factories have.

Of course you have...
Look what a brilliant success you made of the Brexit process....