Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:18 pm
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Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:21 pm
Or would you prefer I said the Eu blocked it?
I can’t recall what you were whinging about the other day, other you got abusive and I retaliated, and then that bellend ihaman tried to claim victory over a typo I made.
I can’t recall what you were whinging about the other day, other you got abusive and I retaliated, and then that bellend ihaman tried to claim victory over a typo I made.
Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:23 pm
Re: Do you trust the vaccine?
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Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:36 pm
In the last 6 weeks the EU has had 30m doses with half of them still in fridges, and the UK 11m. That doesn't sound as though the EU is banned from buying the stuff.clementinfrance wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:29 amIf a chap from Quins, who is first in line to buy tickets between his team and Bath,is allowed to purchase all the f**cking tickets available, the Bath supporter behind him may as well be banned from buying tickets.It's like claiming when match tickets are sold out, anyone not being sold tickets to that particular match must have been banned from the club. It's not ban, it's not that hard to grasp.
It's not hard to grasp.
Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:39 pm
I' sure it will. After the UK delivery schedule is completed.CM11 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:12 pmHalf of our supply was meant to come from the UK plants.backrow wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:57 amI didn’t see it posted, that’s why I asked - putting a smiley doesn’t really back you up here and does make out like you are inventing it a bit. But if there were teething issues in the UK, is it fair to say at least that the delays in Eu factories were materially more manefest and with greater effect on supply ?Blackrock Bullet wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:29 amThe AZ CEO stated this, it was posted.
No surprise where your first vaccines came from.We've also had teething issues like this in the UK supply chain.
To be clear I am not saying there were no problems in UK , but you do seem a bit overly keen to point out any UK problems and ignore ones outside of the UK.
Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:40 pm
You're welcome.
Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:41 pm
"It's not a case of an export ban, that is entirely different"clementinfrance wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:12 pmTell that to EDF...ChipSpike wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:59 amThe EU contract doesn't compare well with the UKs. See link above. It's not a case of an export ban, that is entirely different, although the outcome is similar.clementinfrance wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:29 amIf a chap from Quins, who is first in line to buy tickets between his team and Bath,is allowed to purchase all the f**cking tickets available, the Bath supporter behind him may as well be banned from buying tickets.It's like claiming when match tickets are sold out, anyone not being sold tickets to that particular match must have been banned from the club. It's not ban, it's not that hard to grasp.
It's not hard to grasp.
Good summary in that article BTW.
Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:48 pm
I mean the quote is in black and white.backrow wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:57 amI didn’t see it posted, that’s why I asked - putting a smiley doesn’t really back you up here and does make out like you are inventing it a bit. But if there were teething issues in the UK, is it fair to say at least that the delays in Eu factories were materially more manefest and with greater effect on supply ?Blackrock Bullet wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:29 amThe AZ CEO stated this, it was posted.backrow wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:24 amYou’ve mentioned this before, a quick google and i can’t find any mention of this, just Belgian problems. Is this perhaps Irish media exaggeration again, or an actual thing ?Blackrock Bullet wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:57 amAnd UK plants.message #2527204 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:34 am
It's a question of contractual agreements. AZ is obliged to honour the contract. It built other facilties to honour both the UK and the EU contract simultaneously. There were production problems in the EU factory. It's pretty simple if you don't get all childish about it.
No surprise where your first vaccines came from.We've also had teething issues like this in the UK supply chain.
To be clear I am not saying there were no problems in UK , but you do seem a bit overly keen to point out any UK problems and ignore ones outside of the UK.
The only things we are sure about is that the UK and Europe both have had plant/supply chain issues. The UK needed the EU supply chain to fulfil the majority of early doses, as per the UK Vaccine Taskforce. The delay in the application to the EMA and AZ failing to notify the EU until the week before they were supposed to start supplying that they would be 2/3 short of deliveries meant doses left early with not much attention.
The slowdown in UK doses now just reflects the ongoing issues that AZ have had, which the UK has not felt because you were given early priority. The fact that you have UK Government sources briefing journalists that it is an issue with the international supply chain for AZ whilst AZ come out and say the UK produced supply chain is fine should give you some pause on how this lot communicate issues. Blaming India now is quite funny, the overall story here is that we all need integrated supply chains and good yields globally for this and we are as weak as the next country in getting to the end of all this.
Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:58 pm
Ah ok.Blackrock Bullet wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:48 pmI mean the quote is in black and white.backrow wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:57 amI didn’t see it posted, that’s why I asked - putting a smiley doesn’t really back you up here and does make out like you are inventing it a bit. But if there were teething issues in the UK, is it fair to say at least that the delays in Eu factories were materially more manefest and with greater effect on supply ?Blackrock Bullet wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:29 amThe AZ CEO stated this, it was posted.
No surprise where your first vaccines came from.We've also had teething issues like this in the UK supply chain.
To be clear I am not saying there were no problems in UK , but you do seem a bit overly keen to point out any UK problems and ignore ones outside of the UK.
The only things we are sure about is that the UK and Europe both have had plant/supply chain issues. The UK needed the EU supply chain to fulfil the majority of early doses, as per the UK Vaccine Taskforce. The delay in the application to the EMA and AZ failing to notify the EU until the week before they were supposed to start supplying that they would be 2/3 short of deliveries meant doses left early with not much attention.
The slowdown in UK doses now just reflects the ongoing issues that AZ have had, which the UK has not felt because you were given early priority. The fact that you have UK Government sources briefing journalists that it is an issue with the international supply chain for AZ whilst AZ come out and say the UK produced supply chain is fine should give you some pause on how this lot communicate issues. Blaming India now is quite funny, the overall story here is that we all need integrated supply chains and good yields globally for this and we are as weak as the next country in getting to the end of all this.
You seem a lot saner and fairer than a lot of your countrymen posters , please don’t take all my irish dogs to heart, it’s just the constant anti UK mob I like taking down a peg or two. I am in complete agreement with you that Az and UK govt comms could be better and more expedient, and much of our media is woeful in how and what it reports. However, I do not see Eu firms or govt or media went being any better.
It is sad that in this global pendemic, the vacinne has been politicised thus, and I genuinely feel Eu and ms VDL has had a shocking few months and played into every Farage stereotype going.
Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:03 pm
There's been plenty of criticism of the EU and individual governments, like Macron's comments on the vaccine's effectiveness. And criticism for AZ, who are an Anglo Swedish company, after all. The reality is that AZ are behind their targets globally and have made a bags of their communication to the US Government & FDA, European Commission & EMA and now the British are feeling that properly for the first time. You still are miles ahead in the process and the UK Government are the ones who look best still out of all of this, so I'm not sure why this has boiled down to a Brexit thing for some of you when addressing my posts.
Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:18 pm
Just watched the news and the reduced supply is down to a factory in India licenced to produce the AZ vaccine. India going through terrible surge in cases and are determined to hold onto vaccines that were due for export. This may impact planned shipment to UK. Nothing to do with the EUBlackrock Bullet wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:03 pm There's been plenty of criticism of the EU and individual governments, like Macron's comments on the vaccine's effectiveness. And criticism for AZ, who are an Anglo Swedish company, after all. The reality is that AZ are behind their targets globally and have made a bags of their communication to the US Government & FDA, European Commission & EMA and now the British are feeling that properly for the first time. You still are miles ahead in the process and the UK Government are the ones who look best still out of all of this, so I'm not sure why this has boiled down to a Brexit thing for some of you when addressing my posts.
debacle.
Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:19 pm
What's the problem?terryfinch wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:46 pm You couldn't make it up. The EU Commission President VDL has said she is going to block exports to the UK from the EU for vaccines that the UK have contractually paid for. Let's just remind ourselves how we got here:
- The UK decided to take big risks and fund various vaccine development programmes and sign up for big orders to ensure supply if any proved to work and got approved. This cost the UK billions. In return for the up front investments, the UK demanded to get vaccines first. With one company, Astra-Zeneca, the UK government insisted that, as the vaccine had been developed by Oxford University, that AZ must provide it at cost and licence the product for manufacture around the world to benefit everybody.
- The EU took a different approach. They said they would procure vaccines for all EU states to avoid a fight. They then took a long time to try and haggle prices down and they failed to make up front investments in many vaccine development programmes, choosing Sanofi and a couple of other pet EU based companies that were recommended by the most powerful EU leaders. They did not actually place any orders for vaccines until many months after UK and other countries. When they did place orders, they were for relatively small quantities and at far worse contractual terms than countries that had actually invested in the development.
- Sure enough, some vaccines were found to work and got approved. The UK had fortunately backed a few successful programmes, the UK regulator accelerated approvals and companies started to ship according to the contracts signed. On scientific advice, the UK then took a decision to vaccinate as many people with the first dose and delay the second dose for 12 weeks. The vaccination programme in the UK has moved at pace and nearly all over 50s and all vulnerable people have now had a first dose. Results have been amazing with cases dropping, deaths dropping, hospitals emptying. The 12 week strategy is now recommended by the WHO. The AZ vaccine is also now being manufactured in factories around the world for global use at cost.
- The EU has had a nightmare. Sanofi and other favoured vaccines have failed. Vaccine approvals were incredibly slow. They have struggled to get supplies as they were at the back of the queue. They have rubbished some vaccines which has further impacted overall vaccine acceptance which is already horribly low in many EU countries. They have blocked exports to Australia. They tried to break the Good Friday Agreement in Ireland, without even talking to leaders in Ireland or UK. Their vaccination rollout attempts have been slow. They now have 15 million unused and unloved AZ vaccine doses in storage which could be used by many other countries.... Many EU countries are now facing a tragic third wave of Covid and many hundreds of thousands will probably die.
- Now VDL is complaining that AZ factories in UK have not sent any doses to EU and is therefore blocking vaccine exports to UK. What would she do with vaccines sent to EU by UK? Stick them in storage?
It is incredibly sad. Where is the sensible leadership? Where is the plan? Where is responsibility?
AZ have said they will supply. Why are you demanding the supply must be EU origin?
Surely they don't need to leave the UK to obtain supplies. A lack of foresight if they do, namely no Brexit planning.
Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:20 pm
Tbh the critism of anything Eu by any Eu poster, ges lost amongst the masses of anti UK / brexit posts / new anti UK threads started by certain Eu posters. Your valid and seemingly fair comments, get swept up into a green v red white blue fight. Hopefully you can see that some / most of team Uk’s vitriol, is in response.Blackrock Bullet wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:03 pm There's been plenty of criticism of the EU and individual governments, like Macron's comments on the vaccine's effectiveness. And criticism for AZ, who are an Anglo Swedish company, after all. The reality is that AZ are behind their targets globally and have made a bags of their communication to the US Government & FDA, European Commission & EMA and now the British are feeling that properly for the first time. You still are miles ahead in the process and the UK Government are the ones who look best still out of all of this, so I'm not sure why this has boiled down to a Brexit thing for some of you when addressing my posts.
The sooner I’m having a pint in a pub in Dublin with my real Irish friends , and covid gone, the better as far as I’m concerned
(Doubt I will be dining there though
Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:23 pm
I see we are back to the old "they all hate us" posture.
Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:32 pm
Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:34 pm
Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:38 pm
I think I'll survive that.
I do worry about you though seeing how people mentioning facts about your country makes you upset.
Let it go, for your own good.
Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:41 pm
It is true, something bad happens to / spoken about my country, I fight back and don’t give up.
You could try this sometime..
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:45 pm
....and yet as Stats pointed out U.K. plants were supposed to be producing millions of vaccines for the EU. Given that U.K. plants are not supplying to Europe, you would expect a shortfall of just 5m to be made up quite easily from U.K. produced vaccines. It’s clear that AZ’s yields have not been what they expected in the U.K. or EU and remain that way. They could cover up the issue with the U.K. for a while but can’t now that countries and blocs everywhere are dealing in vaccine nationalism.terryfinch wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:18 pmJust watched the news and the reduced supply is down to a factory in India licenced to produce the AZ vaccine. India going through terrible surge in cases and are determined to hold onto vaccines that were due for export. This may impact planned shipment to UK. Nothing to do with the EUBlackrock Bullet wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:03 pm There's been plenty of criticism of the EU and individual governments, like Macron's comments on the vaccine's effectiveness. And criticism for AZ, who are an Anglo Swedish company, after all. The reality is that AZ are behind their targets globally and have made a bags of their communication to the US Government & FDA, European Commission & EMA and now the British are feeling that properly for the first time. You still are miles ahead in the process and the UK Government are the ones who look best still out of all of this, so I'm not sure why this has boiled down to a Brexit thing for some of you when addressing my posts.
debacle.
It’s a reputational disaster for AZ all round. I know they were holding out hope that the FDA would approve it and they could get some positive publicity over there, but the best thing for them now would be for the 30m vaccines in Ohio go to all of their partner countries that feel shortchanged & that the manufacturing capability they have in the US covers the shortfall on their promises elsewhere.
Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:45 pm
That's a nice change from your usual track record of hasty "strategic" retreats and hiding for years for others to come and help youbackrow wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:41 pmIt is true, something bad happens to / spoken about my country, I fight back and don’t give up.
You could try this sometime..
Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:48 pm
Did your new cultural attaché write that ? Some German bloke, Dr Hans UppmannLa soule wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:45 pmThat's a nice change from your usual track record of hasty "strategic" retreats and hiding for years for others to come and help youbackrow wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:41 pmIt is true, something bad happens to / spoken about my country, I fight back and don’t give up.
You could try this sometime..
Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:51 pm
Oh no, not at all. He is not as nice & friendly as I am.backrow wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:48 pmDid your new cultural attaché write that ? Some German bloke, Dr Hans UppmannLa soule wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:45 pmThat's a nice change from your usual track record of hasty "strategic" retreats and hiding for years for others to come and help youbackrow wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:41 pmIt is true, something bad happens to / spoken about my country, I fight back and don’t give up.
You could try this sometime..
Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:51 pm
Well done for ignoring the crucial part of what Chipspike wrote.eldanielfire wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:41 pm"It's not a case of an export ban, that is entirely different"clementinfrance wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:12 pmTell that to EDF...ChipSpike wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:59 amThe EU contract doesn't compare well with the UKs. See link above. It's not a case of an export ban, that is entirely different, although the outcome is similar.clementinfrance wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:29 amIf a chap from Quins, who is first in line to buy tickets between his team and Bath,is allowed to purchase all the f**cking tickets available, the Bath supporter behind him may as well be banned from buying tickets.It's like claiming when match tickets are sold out, anyone not being sold tickets to that particular match must have been banned from the club. It's not ban, it's not that hard to grasp.
It's not hard to grasp.
Good summary in that article BTW.
"...although the outcome is similar."
Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 2:22 pm
If the EU had a solid contract and had managed their relationship with AZ better, they wouldn't be in this position. This is not the UK's fault. Threatening a vaccine embargo on the UK is very stupid, because 1. the UK can block exports of the Pfizer components to the EU, and 2. it highlights what a hash they've made of it to resort to such tactics, as they cannot to go to court.clementinfrance wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:51 pmWell done for ignoring the crucial part of what Chipspike wrote.eldanielfire wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:41 pm"It's not a case of an export ban, that is entirely different"clementinfrance wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:12 pmTell that to EDF...ChipSpike wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:59 amThe EU contract doesn't compare well with the UKs. See link above. It's not a case of an export ban, that is entirely different, although the outcome is similar.clementinfrance wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:29 am
If a chap from Quins, who is first in line to buy tickets between his team and Bath,is allowed to purchase all the f**cking tickets available, the Bath supporter behind him may as well be banned from buying tickets.
It's not hard to grasp.
Good summary in that article BTW.
"...although the outcome is similar."
Much better to to address this behind closed doors with AZ and the UK, and not blast it all over the media.
Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 2:43 pm
Yes, it's all on the EU. AZ have acted reasonably at all times.
Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 2:46 pm
Agree withh most of what you have written.ChipSpike wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 2:22 pmIf the EU had a solid contract and had managed their relationship with AZ better, they wouldn't be in this position. This is not the UK's fault. Threatening a vaccine embargo on the UK is very stupid, because 1. the UK can block exports of the Pfizer components to the EU, and 2. it highlights what a hash they've made of it to resort to such tactics, as they cannot to go to court.clementinfrance wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:51 pmWell done for ignoring the crucial part of what Chipspike wrote.eldanielfire wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:41 pm"It's not a case of an export ban, that is entirely different"clementinfrance wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:12 pmTell that to EDF...
Good summary in that article BTW.
"...although the outcome is similar."
Much better to to address this behind closed doors with AZ and the UK, and not blast it all over the media.
But the whole "It's not the UK's fault we got to the front of the queue first" is quite frankly a pathetic standpoint given the circumstances.
Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:00 pm
Were the UK plants supposed to be producing millions of doses for the EU by the end of March ? Seems most unlikely.Blackrock Bullet wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:45 pm....and yet as Stats pointed out U.K. plants were supposed to be producing millions of vaccines for the EU. Given that U.K. plants are not supplying to Europe, you would expect a shortfall of just 5m to be made up quite easily from U.K. produced vaccines. It’s clear that AZ’s yields have not been what they expected in the U.K. or EU and remain that way. They could cover up the issue with the U.K. for a while but can’t now that countries and blocs everywhere are dealing in vaccine nationalism.terryfinch wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:18 pmJust watched the news and the reduced supply is down to a factory in India licenced to produce the AZ vaccine. India going through terrible surge in cases and are determined to hold onto vaccines that were due for export. This may impact planned shipment to UK. Nothing to do with the EUBlackrock Bullet wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:03 pm There's been plenty of criticism of the EU and individual governments, like Macron's comments on the vaccine's effectiveness. And criticism for AZ, who are an Anglo Swedish company, after all. The reality is that AZ are behind their targets globally and have made a bags of their communication to the US Government & FDA, European Commission & EMA and now the British are feeling that properly for the first time. You still are miles ahead in the process and the UK Government are the ones who look best still out of all of this, so I'm not sure why this has boiled down to a Brexit thing for some of you when addressing my posts.
debacle.
It’s a reputational disaster for AZ all round. I know they were holding out hope that the FDA would approve it and they could get some positive publicity over there, but the best thing for them now would be for the 30m vaccines in Ohio go to all of their partner countries that feel shortchanged & that the manufacturing capability they have in the US covers the shortfall on their promises elsewhere.
As for the reputation of AZ - I see no disaster at all for them. They are schedlued to supply twice the number of doses, worldwide, than the next biggest producer - and are doing it at the lowest cost. I doubt a few hiccups, along the way, will outweigh the significance of them being the major supplier of vaccines to help overcome the pandemic.
Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:03 pm
It's not the UK's fault the EU's contract is badly specified, and unenforceable. Would you expect the UK to dumb down their contract to match, not that they would have known what was in the EU contract anyway. What is pathetic is the type of rhetoric coming out of VDL.clementinfrance wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 2:46 pmAgree withh most of what you have written.ChipSpike wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 2:22 pmIf the EU had a solid contract and had managed their relationship with AZ better, they wouldn't be in this position. This is not the UK's fault. Threatening a vaccine embargo on the UK is very stupid, because 1. the UK can block exports of the Pfizer components to the EU, and 2. it highlights what a hash they've made of it to resort to such tactics, as they cannot to go to court.clementinfrance wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:51 pmWell done for ignoring the crucial part of what Chipspike wrote.eldanielfire wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:41 pm"It's not a case of an export ban, that is entirely different"clementinfrance wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:12 pm
Tell that to EDF...
Good summary in that article BTW.
"...although the outcome is similar."
Much better to to address this behind closed doors with AZ and the UK, and not blast it all over the media.
But the whole "It's not the UK's fault we got to the front of the queue first" is quite frankly a pathetic standpoint given the circumstances.
Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:16 pm
ovalball wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:00 pmWere the UK plants supposed to be producing millions of doses for the EU by the end of March ? Seems most unlikely.Blackrock Bullet wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:45 pm....and yet as Stats pointed out U.K. plants were supposed to be producing millions of vaccines for the EU. Given that U.K. plants are not supplying to Europe, you would expect a shortfall of just 5m to be made up quite easily from U.K. produced vaccines. It’s clear that AZ’s yields have not been what they expected in the U.K. or EU and remain that way. They could cover up the issue with the U.K. for a while but can’t now that countries and blocs everywhere are dealing in vaccine nationalism.terryfinch wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:18 pmJust watched the news and the reduced supply is down to a factory in India licenced to produce the AZ vaccine. India going through terrible surge in cases and are determined to hold onto vaccines that were due for export. This may impact planned shipment to UK. Nothing to do with the EUBlackrock Bullet wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:03 pm There's been plenty of criticism of the EU and individual governments, like Macron's comments on the vaccine's effectiveness. And criticism for AZ, who are an Anglo Swedish company, after all. The reality is that AZ are behind their targets globally and have made a bags of their communication to the US Government & FDA, European Commission & EMA and now the British are feeling that properly for the first time. You still are miles ahead in the process and the UK Government are the ones who look best still out of all of this, so I'm not sure why this has boiled down to a Brexit thing for some of you when addressing my posts.
debacle.
It’s a reputational disaster for AZ all round. I know they were holding out hope that the FDA would approve it and they could get some positive publicity over there, but the best thing for them now would be for the 30m vaccines in Ohio go to all of their partner countries that feel shortchanged & that the manufacturing capability they have in the US covers the shortfall on their promises elsewhere.
As for the reputation of AZ - I see no disaster at all for them. They are schedlued to supply twice the number of doses, worldwide, than the next biggest producer - and are doing it at the lowest cost. I doubt a few hiccups, along the way, will outweigh the significance of them being the major supplier of vaccines to help overcome the pandemic.
Eh yes. Given plants in the EU supplied the bulk of your initial doses why would it be unlikely that the EU could expect doses from UK plants that they funded and specifically put into their contract?
Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:19 pm
If you want to wrap something in a Union flag. The UK has donated more money to vaccine research than the 27 countries of the EU combined.
Wrap that, bitches.
Wrap that, bitches.
Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:23 pm
CM11 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:16 pmovalball wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:00 pmWere the UK plants supposed to be producing millions of doses for the EU by the end of March ? Seems most unlikely.Blackrock Bullet wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:45 pm....and yet as Stats pointed out U.K. plants were supposed to be producing millions of vaccines for the EU. Given that U.K. plants are not supplying to Europe, you would expect a shortfall of just 5m to be made up quite easily from U.K. produced vaccines. It’s clear that AZ’s yields have not been what they expected in the U.K. or EU and remain that way. They could cover up the issue with the U.K. for a while but can’t now that countries and blocs everywhere are dealing in vaccine nationalism.terryfinch wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:18 pmJust watched the news and the reduced supply is down to a factory in India licenced to produce the AZ vaccine. India going through terrible surge in cases and are determined to hold onto vaccines that were due for export. This may impact planned shipment to UK. Nothing to do with the EUBlackrock Bullet wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:03 pm There's been plenty of criticism of the EU and individual governments, like Macron's comments on the vaccine's effectiveness. And criticism for AZ, who are an Anglo Swedish company, after all. The reality is that AZ are behind their targets globally and have made a bags of their communication to the US Government & FDA, European Commission & EMA and now the British are feeling that properly for the first time. You still are miles ahead in the process and the UK Government are the ones who look best still out of all of this, so I'm not sure why this has boiled down to a Brexit thing for some of you when addressing my posts.
debacle.
It’s a reputational disaster for AZ all round. I know they were holding out hope that the FDA would approve it and they could get some positive publicity over there, but the best thing for them now would be for the 30m vaccines in Ohio go to all of their partner countries that feel shortchanged & that the manufacturing capability they have in the US covers the shortfall on their promises elsewhere.
As for the reputation of AZ - I see no disaster at all for them. They are schedlued to supply twice the number of doses, worldwide, than the next biggest producer - and are doing it at the lowest cost. I doubt a few hiccups, along the way, will outweigh the significance of them being the major supplier of vaccines to help overcome the pandemic.
Eh yes. Given plants in the EU supplied the bulk of your initial doses why would it be unlikely that the EU could expect doses from UK plants that they funded and specifically put into their contract?
Supplied at a time the vaccines weren’t approved in the EU.
“More fridges”.
Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:29 pm
Because the whole Oxford AZ set up was funded by the UK and the number of doses planned from the UK were never enough to have a surplus over what the UK needed this early in the schedule. The EU can expect what it likes but the contracts with AZ are what counts - Highly unlikely that the UK sites would ever have been scheduled to supply the EU in the 1st qtr.CM11 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:16 pmovalball wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:00 pmWere the UK plants supposed to be producing millions of doses for the EU by the end of March ? Seems most unlikely.Blackrock Bullet wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:45 pm....and yet as Stats pointed out U.K. plants were supposed to be producing millions of vaccines for the EU. Given that U.K. plants are not supplying to Europe, you would expect a shortfall of just 5m to be made up quite easily from U.K. produced vaccines. It’s clear that AZ’s yields have not been what they expected in the U.K. or EU and remain that way. They could cover up the issue with the U.K. for a while but can’t now that countries and blocs everywhere are dealing in vaccine nationalism.terryfinch wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:18 pmJust watched the news and the reduced supply is down to a factory in India licenced to produce the AZ vaccine. India going through terrible surge in cases and are determined to hold onto vaccines that were due for export. This may impact planned shipment to UK. Nothing to do with the EUBlackrock Bullet wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:03 pm There's been plenty of criticism of the EU and individual governments, like Macron's comments on the vaccine's effectiveness. And criticism for AZ, who are an Anglo Swedish company, after all. The reality is that AZ are behind their targets globally and have made a bags of their communication to the US Government & FDA, European Commission & EMA and now the British are feeling that properly for the first time. You still are miles ahead in the process and the UK Government are the ones who look best still out of all of this, so I'm not sure why this has boiled down to a Brexit thing for some of you when addressing my posts.
debacle.
It’s a reputational disaster for AZ all round. I know they were holding out hope that the FDA would approve it and they could get some positive publicity over there, but the best thing for them now would be for the 30m vaccines in Ohio go to all of their partner countries that feel shortchanged & that the manufacturing capability they have in the US covers the shortfall on their promises elsewhere.
As for the reputation of AZ - I see no disaster at all for them. They are schedlued to supply twice the number of doses, worldwide, than the next biggest producer - and are doing it at the lowest cost. I doubt a few hiccups, along the way, will outweigh the significance of them being the major supplier of vaccines to help overcome the pandemic.
Eh yes. Given plants in the EU supplied the bulk of your initial doses why would it be unlikely that the EU could expect doses from UK plants that they funded and specifically put into their contract?
The other point is that this isn't really a UK/EU thing. Neither the UK or the EU supply vaccines - they are supplied by companies, regardless of where they are based.
Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:37 pm
Oval
As BB has said, it seems the EU failed to tie AZ down properly. But as I said, lots of stock from the EU went to the UK that wasn't initially planned for.
As BB has said, it seems the EU failed to tie AZ down properly. But as I said, lots of stock from the EU went to the UK that wasn't initially planned for.
Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:46 pm
Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:01 pm
Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:14 pm
Re: Do you trust the vaccine?
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:19 pm
Dogmatic Mog at his hilarious best. Don't change mate.Mog The Almighty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:24 pm
That's a strange way to admit you're wrong even when it's blatantly obvious.
You know they named it, "Operation Warp Speed", right?
ffs. PR will PR I guess.