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DAC_ wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 1:16 pm Why are our Irish step-cousins forgetting the relationship we have with their country and how it benefits them far more than us. Given the flow of people between the two it would make sense if the UK helps as it seems their Federalist Government is unable to at this time. Vaccinating Irish citizens would help keep the UK infection rate down.

DAC_ wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 1:16 pm Why are our Irish step-cousins forgetting the relationship we have with their country and how it benefits them far more than us. Given the flow of people between the two it would make sense if the UK helps as it seems their Federalist Government is unable to at this time. Vaccinating Irish citizens would help keep the UK infection rate down.

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:28 pm

DAC_ wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 1:16 pm Why are our Irish step-cousins forgetting the relationship we have with their country and how it benefits them far more than us. Given the flow of people between the two it would make sense if the UK helps as it seems their Federalist Government is unable to at this time. Vaccinating Irish citizens would help keep the UK infection rate down.

We have way lower covid than the UK

MrDominator wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:56 pm

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:28 pm

DAC_ wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 1:16 pm Why are our Irish step-cousins forgetting the relationship we have with their country and how it benefits them far more than us. Given the flow of people between the two it would make sense if the UK helps as it seems their Federalist Government is unable to at this time. Vaccinating Irish citizens would help keep the UK infection rate down.

We have way lower covid than the UK

Que?

Your current infection rate is higher than ours.

50% higher according to Our World in Data.

ovalball wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:56 pm

iarmhiman wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:49 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:48 pm

iarmhiman wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:46 pm

message #2527204 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:41 pm

We have an open land border with Ireland, makes sense that once we ease restrictions, we won't be sending any virus to eire.

And there is the cynical reason:

Give the vaccines to Ireland before mainland Europe. By doing that he's undermining the EU vaccine rollout.

Divide and rule.

I'll give him the benefit that it's for Northern Ireland but this is the Tories and this is Boris so they're probably up to something geopolitical

How does removing a small burden from the EU roll out undermine the programme. It can only make it better in practical terms.

Because that's not the intention

There's no winning with some people !!!!

They were looking for a win/win situation. Helping Ireland with their vaccination programme would qualify for that. It helps the EU/Ireland and it helps the UK due to the soft border with the South.

mdaclarke wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 3:16 pm

ovalball wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:56 pm

iarmhiman wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:49 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:48 pm

iarmhiman wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:46 pm
And there is the cynical reason:

Give the vaccines to Ireland before mainland Europe. By doing that he's undermining the EU vaccine rollout.

Divide and rule.

I'll give him the benefit that it's for Northern Ireland but this is the Tories and this is Boris so they're probably up to something geopolitical

How does removing a small burden from the EU roll out undermine the programme. It can only make it better in practical terms.

Because that's not the intention

There's no winning with some people !!!!

They were looking for a win/win situation. Helping Ireland with their vaccination programme would qualify for that. It helps the EU/Ireland and it helps the UK due to the soft border with the South.

I think it is being offered to kill 2 birds with 1 stone
1. to help out Northern Ireland so we don't have to close the border
2. to rub the EU's noses in it.

Not sure which 1 is the primary motivation.

MrDominator wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:56 pm

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:28 pm

DAC_ wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 1:16 pm Why are our Irish step-cousins forgetting the relationship we have with their country and how it benefits them far more than us. Given the flow of people between the two it would make sense if the UK helps as it seems their Federalist Government is unable to at this time. Vaccinating Irish citizens would help keep the UK infection rate down.

We have way lower covid than the UK

Que?

Your current infection rate is higher than ours.

50% higher according to Our World in Data.

MrDominator wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 3:16 pm I think we need to start checking these paddies at the ports and airports.

God knows what they're carrying

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:19 pm

MrDominator wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:56 pm

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:28 pm

DAC_ wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 1:16 pm Why are our Irish step-cousins forgetting the relationship we have with their country and how it benefits them far more than us. Given the flow of people between the two it would make sense if the UK helps as it seems their Federalist Government is unable to at this time. Vaccinating Irish citizens would help keep the UK infection rate down.

We have way lower covid than the UK

Que?

Your current infection rate is higher than ours.

50% higher according to Our World in Data.

We test way more than the U.K. - the one thing Trump was right about. We had 2 covid deaths in the past 24hours for example. Our overall stats for the pandemic are a fraction of the UK’s.

DragsterDriver wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:44 pm Parents of school children are being tested multiple times a week. Surprised we’re not testing our pets here.

CM11 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:46 pm

DragsterDriver wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:44 pm Parents of school children are being tested multiple times a week. Surprised we’re not testing our pets here.

Are they antigen or PCR? I'm assuming antigen isn't included in the main test results.

DragsterDriver wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:54 pm

CM11 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:46 pm

DragsterDriver wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:44 pm Parents of school children are being tested multiple times a week. Surprised we’re not testing our pets here.

Are they antigen or PCR? I'm assuming antigen isn't included in the main test results.

Just checked, they’re antigen. I’ve got x12 in the kitchen, if you get a positive you then take a pcr to check it.

I’m not taking any, too busy for 14days off with a false positive.

CM11 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:59 pm

DragsterDriver wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:54 pm

CM11 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:46 pm

DragsterDriver wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:44 pm Parents of school children are being tested multiple times a week. Surprised we’re not testing our pets here.

Are they antigen or PCR? I'm assuming antigen isn't included in the main test results.

Just checked, they’re antigen. I’ve got x12 in the kitchen, if you get a positive you then take a pcr to check it.

I’m not taking any, too busy for 14days off with a false positive.

I could be wrong but I think the chance of a false positive with antigen is very low, if not non existent. High false negatives is the problem.

CM11 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:59 pm

DragsterDriver wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:54 pm

CM11 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:46 pm

DragsterDriver wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:44 pm Parents of school children are being tested multiple times a week. Surprised we’re not testing our pets here.

Are they antigen or PCR? I'm assuming antigen isn't included in the main test results.

Just checked, they’re antigen. I’ve got x12 in the kitchen, if you get a positive you then take a pcr to check it.

I’m not taking any, too busy for 14days off with a false positive.

I could be wrong but I think the chance of a false positive with antigen is very low, if not non existent. High false negatives is the problem.

the overall false positive rate was 0.32%, although this was lowered to 0.06% in a lab setting.
It has an overall sensitivity of 76.8% for all PCR positive individuals but detects over 95% of individuals with high viral loads,

CM11 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:26 pm

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:19 pm

MrDominator wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:56 pm

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:28 pm

DAC_ wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 1:16 pm Why are our Irish step-cousins forgetting the relationship we have with their country and how it benefits them far more than us. Given the flow of people between the two it would make sense if the UK helps as it seems their Federalist Government is unable to at this time. Vaccinating Irish citizens would help keep the UK infection rate down.

We have way lower covid than the UK

Que?

Your current infection rate is higher than ours.

50% higher according to Our World in Data.

We test way more than the U.K. - the one thing Trump was right about. We had 2 covid deaths in the past 24hours for example. Our overall stats for the pandemic are a fraction of the UK’s.

Our tests per million is half of the UK's.

I know NI seems to do a low per capita amount of tests but overall the UK seems to do a ton of testing.

Given their positivity, I don't see how we're lower than the UK for infections. They're below us in terms of ICU too.

CM11 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:59 pm

DragsterDriver wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:54 pm

CM11 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:46 pm

DragsterDriver wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:44 pm Parents of school children are being tested multiple times a week. Surprised we’re not testing our pets here.

Are they antigen or PCR? I'm assuming antigen isn't included in the main test results.

Just checked, they’re antigen. I’ve got x12 in the kitchen, if you get a positive you then take a pcr to check it.

I’m not taking any, too busy for 14days off with a false positive.

I could be wrong but I think the chance of a false positive with antigen is very low, if not non existent. High false negatives is the problem.

DragsterDriver wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:01 pm

CM11 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:59 pm

DragsterDriver wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:54 pm

CM11 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:46 pm

DragsterDriver wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:44 pm Parents of school children are being tested multiple times a week. Surprised we’re not testing our pets here.

Are they antigen or PCR? I'm assuming antigen isn't included in the main test results.

Just checked, they’re antigen. I’ve got x12 in the kitchen, if you get a positive you then take a pcr to check it.

I’m not taking any, too busy for 14days off with a false positive.

I could be wrong but I think the chance of a false positive with antigen is very low, if not non existent. High false negatives is the problem.

I think, and I may be doing a Duff Paddy here, even if you’re cleared by the PCR you still spend 14 days in covid jail?

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:10 pm

CM11 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:26 pm

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:19 pm

MrDominator wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:56 pm

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:28 pm

We have way lower covid than the UK

Que?

Your current infection rate is higher than ours.

50% higher according to Our World in Data.

We test way more than the U.K. - the one thing Trump was right about. We had 2 covid deaths in the past 24hours for example. Our overall stats for the pandemic are a fraction of the UK’s.

Our tests per million is half of the UK's.

I know NI seems to do a low per capita amount of tests but overall the UK seems to do a ton of testing.

Given their positivity, I don't see how we're lower than the UK for infections. They're below us in terms of ICU too.

Apologies - I assumed that NI was the same as the rest of the U.K. for testing.

Anyway:
Ireland 4,666 covid deaths
U.K. 127,000 covid deaths

End of discussion really

bimboman wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:14 pm

DragsterDriver wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:01 pm

CM11 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:59 pm

DragsterDriver wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:54 pm

CM11 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:46 pm

Are they antigen or PCR? I'm assuming antigen isn't included in the main test results.

Just checked, they’re antigen. I’ve got x12 in the kitchen, if you get a positive you then take a pcr to check it.

I’m not taking any, too busy for 14days off with a false positive.

I could be wrong but I think the chance of a false positive with antigen is very low, if not non existent. High false negatives is the problem.

I think, and I may be doing a Duff Paddy here, even if you’re cleared by the PCR you still spend 14 days in covid jail?

Only if the test is taken in school, otherwise the PCR test over rides.

CM11 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:13 am

DragsterDriver wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:05 am

CM11 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:03 am Lads, I have criticised the EU for how they've handled many things on this matter. However you lot have made it a Brexit thing from the start when it was, and still is, a dispute between AZ and the EU.

I could understand the braying and even think it was all a bit of craic of it wasn't for 3000 EU citizens currently dying per day while the UK death rate heads towards zero.

So yeah, I'm not going to apologise for the EU trying to save lives while you smug pricks condone giving vaccines to healthy UK citizens over vulnerable EU (or anywhere in the world) citizens.

“They’re at it again!”

Chill bruv, it was great craic when we had the highest death rate.

Except I was chastising anyone who tried to score points on death rate. I've being saying from the start that it'll only be after it's over when we can judge who got what right and even then hindsight is a great thing.

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:25 pm Okay calm down son you’re getting too excited

DragsterDriver wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:19 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:14 pm

DragsterDriver wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:01 pm

CM11 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:59 pm

DragsterDriver wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:54 pm

Just checked, they’re antigen. I’ve got x12 in the kitchen, if you get a positive you then take a pcr to check it.

I’m not taking any, too busy for 14days off with a false positive.

I could be wrong but I think the chance of a false positive with antigen is very low, if not non existent. High false negatives is the problem.

I think, and I may be doing a Duff Paddy here, even if you’re cleared by the PCR you still spend 14 days in covid jail?

Only if the test is taken in school, otherwise the PCR test over rides.

I’m not risking it!

Jab next week anyway, nicely timed for the summer.

DragsterDriver wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:37 pm Test and trace.

I’m not taking a test if I’m not ill, and nobody I’ve been in contact with is showing symptoms either.

DragsterDriver wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:37 pm Test and trace.

I’m not taking a test if I’m not ill, and nobody I’ve been in contact with is showing symptoms either.

ovalball wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:02 pm

DragsterDriver wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:37 pm Test and trace.

I’m not taking a test if I’m not ill, and nobody I’ve been in contact with is showing symptoms either.

Bt you're happy to risk someone else's health/life by not taking the test !!

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:10 pm

CM11 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:26 pm

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:19 pm

MrDominator wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:56 pm

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:28 pm

We have way lower covid than the UK

Que?

Your current infection rate is higher than ours.

50% higher according to Our World in Data.

We test way more than the U.K. - the one thing Trump was right about. We had 2 covid deaths in the past 24hours for example. Our overall stats for the pandemic are a fraction of the UK’s.

Our tests per million is half of the UK's.

I know NI seems to do a low per capita amount of tests but overall the UK seems to do a ton of testing.

Given their positivity, I don't see how we're lower than the UK for infections. They're below us in terms of ICU too.

Apologies - I assumed that NI was the same as the rest of the U.K. for testing.

Anyway:
Ireland 4,666 covid deaths
U.K. 127,000 covid deaths

End of discussion really

DAC_ wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:23 pm

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:10 pm

CM11 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:26 pm

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:19 pm

MrDominator wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:56 pm
Que?

Your current infection rate is higher than ours.

50% higher according to Our World in Data.

We test way more than the U.K. - the one thing Trump was right about. We had 2 covid deaths in the past 24hours for example. Our overall stats for the pandemic are a fraction of the UK’s.

Our tests per million is half of the UK's.

I know NI seems to do a low per capita amount of tests but overall the UK seems to do a ton of testing.

Given their positivity, I don't see how we're lower than the UK for infections. They're below us in terms of ICU too.

Apologies - I assumed that NI was the same as the rest of the U.K. for testing.

Anyway:
Ireland 4,666 covid deaths
U.K. 127,000 covid deaths

End of discussion really

Don't you worry, son, I'll be discussing it when I'm sat at the pub in a few weeks.

DragsterDriver wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:19 pm

ovalball wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:02 pm

DragsterDriver wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:37 pm Test and trace.

I’m not taking a test if I’m not ill, and nobody I’ve been in contact with is showing symptoms either.

Bt you're happy to risk someone else's health/life by not taking the test !!

I can post them if you want to take a test everyday? Waste of taxpayers money keep sending them here.

DragsterDriver wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:37 pm Test and trace.

I’m not taking a test if I’m not ill, and nobody I’ve been in contact with is showing symptoms either.