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Absolute horseshit...
https://www.graduateinstitute.ch/vaccines-RDGermany and the USA were the largest investors in vaccine R&D, according to the latest research by @GHC_IHEID
With investments of €1.5bn & €2.2bn respectively,
Germany & the USA were responsible for over half of the €5.9bn invested in developing COVID vaccines
I'm not sure medical experts dealing with coronovirus have the time to fight inner city crime.
Your point about proportionality is valid, but you're a brave man saying it's negligible. There's also the issue of eradicating the virus in key carriers, although that relay is a thorny ethical debate.
How much have France donated?clementinfrance wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:46 pmAbsolute horseshit...
https://www.graduateinstitute.ch/vaccines-RDGermany and the USA were the largest investors in vaccine R&D, according to the latest research by @GHC_IHEID
With investments of €1.5bn & €2.2bn respectively,
Germany & the USA were responsible for over half of the €5.9bn invested in developing COVID vaccines
Magpie26 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 10:32 am Is anyone in the EU actually going to be held accountable for the mess they have made of the vaccination rollout?
There is clearly a lot of 'blame game' both internally and externally going on but is there anyone actually accountable for the situation?
Its easy to say the blame ends at the top but I don't know how much input UVDL really had into the supply agreements, collective purchasing, roll out planning?
clementinfrance wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:46 pmAbsolute horseshit...
https://www.graduateinstitute.ch/vaccines-RDGermany and the USA were the largest investors in vaccine R&D, according to the latest research by @GHC_IHEID
With investments of €1.5bn & €2.2bn respectively,
Germany & the USA were responsible for over half of the €5.9bn invested in developing COVID vaccines
Irrelevant as I'm not making any false, stupid, flag-waving claims...DAC_ wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:48 pmHow much have France donated?clementinfrance wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:46 pmAbsolute horseshit...
https://www.graduateinstitute.ch/vaccines-RDGermany and the USA were the largest investors in vaccine R&D, according to the latest research by @GHC_IHEID
With investments of €1.5bn & €2.2bn respectively,
Germany & the USA were responsible for over half of the €5.9bn invested in developing COVID vaccines
Look at the figures and flags on the link I gave.clementinfrance wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:51 pmIrrelevant as I'm not making any false, stupid, flag-waving claims...DAC_ wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:48 pmHow much have France donated?clementinfrance wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:46 pmAbsolute horseshit...
https://www.graduateinstitute.ch/vaccines-RDGermany and the USA were the largest investors in vaccine R&D, according to the latest research by @GHC_IHEID
With investments of €1.5bn & €2.2bn respectively,
Germany & the USA were responsible for over half of the €5.9bn invested in developing COVID vaccines
clementinfrance wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:51 pmIrrelevant as I'm not making any false, stupid, flag-waving claims...DAC_ wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:48 pmHow much have France donated?clementinfrance wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:46 pmAbsolute horseshit...
https://www.graduateinstitute.ch/vaccines-RDGermany and the USA were the largest investors in vaccine R&D, according to the latest research by @GHC_IHEID
With investments of €1.5bn & €2.2bn respectively,
Germany & the USA were responsible for over half of the €5.9bn invested in developing COVID vaccines
Again, let's treat obesity and coronavirus as the two separate thing they are. We don't need to horse-trade here.bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:48 pmI'm not sure medical experts dealing with coronovirus have the time to fight inner city crime.
Your point about proportionality is valid, but you're a brave man saying it's negligible. There's also the issue of eradicating the virus in key carriers, although that really is a thorny ethical debate.
It’s about what’s actually dangerous rather than politically desirable.
And negligible is absolutely the correct term for the under 19’s ....
As your right about crime fighting let’s get them working on obesity where they'd make a real difference .
inactionman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:55 pmAgain, let's treat obesity and coronavirus as the two separate thing they are. We don't need to horse-trade here.bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:48 pmI'm not sure medical experts dealing with coronovirus have the time to fight inner city crime.
Your point about proportionality is valid, but you're a brave man saying it's negligible. There's also the issue of eradicating the virus in key carriers, although that really is a thorny ethical debate.
It’s about what’s actually dangerous rather than politically desirable.
And negligible is absolutely the correct term for the under 19’s ....
As your right about crime fighting let’s get them working on obesity where they'd make a real difference .
not_english wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:02 pm My kids have had 3 different shots in the last week. Can't get worked up about vaccinating them against coronavirus. You have to consent for them to be given the jab.
No, one of their jabs was HPV, a virus that as boys they won't suffer from. It is a similar idea with Covid, if they don't catch it, they won't spread it to someone who will suffer from it.bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:04 pmnot_english wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:02 pm My kids have had 3 different shots in the last week. Can't get worked up about vaccinating them against coronavirus. You have to consent for them to be given the jab.
You can’t get worked up vaccinating your children with something they don’t medically require !
Wow.
not_english wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:19 pmNo, one of their jabs was HPV, a virus that as boys they won't suffer from. It is a similar idea with Covid, if they don't catch it, they won't spread it to someone who will suffer from it.bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:04 pmnot_english wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:02 pm My kids have had 3 different shots in the last week. Can't get worked up about vaccinating them against coronavirus. You have to consent for them to be given the jab.
You can’t get worked up vaccinating your children with something they don’t medically require !
Wow.
For the same reason you care about our 19% corporation tax?iarmhiman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:49 pmMagpie26 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 10:32 am Is anyone in the EU actually going to be held accountable for the mess they have made of the vaccination rollout?
There is clearly a lot of 'blame game' both internally and externally going on but is there anyone actually accountable for the situation?
Its easy to say the blame ends at the top but I don't know how much input UVDL really had into the supply agreements, collective purchasing, roll out planning?
Why do you care?
Oddly- isn’t obesity a massive risk factor with covid?inactionman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:55 pmAgain, let's treat obesity and coronavirus as the two separate thing they are. We don't need to horse-trade here.bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:48 pmI'm not sure medical experts dealing with coronovirus have the time to fight inner city crime.
Your point about proportionality is valid, but you're a brave man saying it's negligible. There's also the issue of eradicating the virus in key carriers, although that really is a thorny ethical debate.
It’s about what’s actually dangerous rather than politically desirable.
And negligible is absolutely the correct term for the under 19’s ....
As your right about crime fighting let’s get them working on obesity where they'd make a real difference .
Well that is kinda the point. You have to be able to prove you can safely use a vaccine on kids in order to safely use it on the vulnerable kids.bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:57 pminactionman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:55 pmAgain, let's treat obesity and coronavirus as the two separate thing they are. We don't need to horse-trade here.bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:48 pmI'm not sure medical experts dealing with coronovirus have the time to fight inner city crime.
Your point about proportionality is valid, but you're a brave man saying it's negligible. There's also the issue of eradicating the virus in key carriers, although that really is a thorny ethical debate.
It’s about what’s actually dangerous rather than politically desirable.
And negligible is absolutely the correct term for the under 19’s ....
As your right about crime fighting let’s get them working on obesity where they'd make a real difference .
Ok, how many under 18’s have died with Covid in the U.K.?
How many of them had no other co morbidity ?
I think obesity is an aggravating factor in many conditions - getting a trimmer population helps across many, many things, but it's proving a very difficult thing to achieve despite concerted efforts over many years.DragsterDriver wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:59 pmOddly- isn’t obesity a massive risk factor with covid?inactionman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:55 pmAgain, let's treat obesity and coronavirus as the two separate thing they are. We don't need to horse-trade here.bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:48 pmI'm not sure medical experts dealing with coronovirus have the time to fight inner city crime.
Your point about proportionality is valid, but you're a brave man saying it's negligible. There's also the issue of eradicating the virus in key carriers, although that really is a thorny ethical debate.
It’s about what’s actually dangerous rather than politically desirable.
And negligible is absolutely the correct term for the under 19’s ....
As your right about crime fighting let’s get them working on obesity where they'd make a real difference .
Bloody Trussel trustinactionman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:07 pmI think obesity is an aggravating factor in many conditions - getting a trimmer population helps across many, many things, but it's proving a very difficult thing to achieve despite concerted efforts over many years.DragsterDriver wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:59 pmOddly- isn’t obesity a massive risk factor with covid?inactionman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:55 pmAgain, let's treat obesity and coronavirus as the two separate thing they are. We don't need to horse-trade here.bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:48 pmI'm not sure medical experts dealing with coronovirus have the time to fight inner city crime.
Your point about proportionality is valid, but you're a brave man saying it's negligible. There's also the issue of eradicating the virus in key carriers, although that really is a thorny ethical debate.
It’s about what’s actually dangerous rather than politically desirable.
And negligible is absolutely the correct term for the under 19’s ....
As your right about crime fighting let’s get them working on obesity where they'd make a real difference .
It's not dangerous, as many studies have shown. All medicines were tested on children at some point. Only an idiot would oppose giving children life saving medicine.bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:03 pm
They’re currently testing the vaccine on children, poster above celebrating that ....
It’s revolting.
And dangerous.
eldanielfire wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:22 pmIt's not dangerous, as many studies have shown. All medicines were tested on children at some point. Only an idiot would oppose giving children life saving medicine.bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:03 pm
They’re currently testing the vaccine on children, poster above celebrating that ....
It’s revolting.
And dangerous.
There are a couple of tribes in Africa, living in neighbouring valleys, that are more genetically different than any two races living outside AfricaEdinburgh01 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 11:56 amIt is not quite the same thing, but Africa is more genetically diverse than the rest of the planet. According to a BBC (so must be true) documentary, the population that left Africa, and from whom we are all descended, was more genetically homogenous than the population that stayed behind. The result is that even today there is more genetic diversity amongst the African or African descended populations.inactionman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 11:46 am It hadn't occurred to me that there would be regional variances - obvious now I've seen it stated - so wondering if some of the reported side effects might be regional or more significant in certain genetic populations.
That really is out of order. Believe in invisible beings? - then fudge the rest of the population. This religious exceptionalism is f**king ridiculous, they should have no more 'rights' than normal humans.Edinburgh01 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:40 pmA court in Scotland ruled the restrictions on church services amounted to an unreasonable infringement to religious rights.Mick Mannock wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:12 pm Judge demands that Belgium scraps all corona measures within thirty days
The Brussels court of first instance orders the Belgian government to end the corona measures within thirty days, on pain of a penalty of 5000 euros per day. According to the judge, the current measures are based on laws that cannot serve as the basis for the ministerial decisions by which the corona measures are issued.
https://www.ad.nl/buitenland/rechter-ei ... ps://t.co/
Yes and those with pre-conditions will likely be vulnerable to other children carrying it.bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:56 pm
For children with no pre conditions ..... which was the group being discussed.
eldanielfire wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 5:01 pmYes and those with pre-conditions will likely be vulnerable to other children carrying it.bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:56 pm
For children with no pre conditions ..... which was the group being discussed.
bimbo doing a complete anti vax routine I see.
This thick fudgeSo your a) rejecting the idea of herd immunity which will also reduce the chances of COVID mutating to a new, more dangerous variant b) Ignoring those with prior health conditions among other kids may not be able to get vaccinated for a variety of reasons.bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 5:06 pmeldanielfire wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 5:01 pmYes and those with pre-conditions will likely be vulnerable to other children carrying it.bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:56 pm
For children with no pre conditions ..... which was the group being discussed.
Those with pre conditions can be separately treated and possibly vaccinated. Mass vaccination of the extreme healthy to protect no one is stupid,
Bimboman doesn't believe in testing new medicines on children. I guess he is against kids ever getting medicine I guess as it was all tested on children at some point. But that's logic, something that Bimbo merely thinks is ideology
No new medical is without risk. In fact nothing ever is. However in numerous times in the past century we have mass vaccinated children and as a result child mortality has dropped massively. And when we get pockets resisting mass vaccination we get great incidents of disease and it's consequences. These vaccines are safe and mass vaccination is even safer.In general the risk to a child getting a vaccine is minimal in terms of what they're being vaccinated against so it's taken as a collective responsibility to stop the spread of the virus so vulnerable, compromised people, not all of whom can take vaccines, are protected.
One of the reasons anti vaccination has grown in educated communities is because selfish parents have looked at the marginal risks both from the disease and vaccination and have refused to take the vaccination 'just in case'.
I do have slight concerns about mass vaccination of children with such a new vaccine, tbf, but that's a separate point and one which I'm sure I'll be reassured on by the time our kids are eligible.
The problem as I see it is all the ‘get active’ stuff leads people to think they can out train a poor diet- They can’t. Couple of Zumba classes won’t sort out endless pizza, crisps and chocolate.inactionman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:07 pmI think obesity is an aggravating factor in many conditions - getting a trimmer population helps across many, many things, but it's proving a very difficult thing to achieve despite concerted efforts over many years.DragsterDriver wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:59 pmOddly- isn’t obesity a massive risk factor with covid?inactionman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:55 pmAgain, let's treat obesity and coronavirus as the two separate thing they are. We don't need to horse-trade here.bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:48 pmI'm not sure medical experts dealing with coronovirus have the time to fight inner city crime.
Your point about proportionality is valid, but you're a brave man saying it's negligible. There's also the issue of eradicating the virus in key carriers, although that really is a thorny ethical debate.
It’s about what’s actually dangerous rather than politically desirable.
And negligible is absolutely the correct term for the under 19’s ....
As your right about crime fighting let’s get them working on obesity where they'd make a real difference .
eldanielfire wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 5:21 pmSo your a) rejecting the idea of herd immunity which will also reduce the chances of COVID mutating to a new, more dangerous variant b) Ignoring those with prior health conditions among other kids may not be able to get vaccinated for a variety of reasons.bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 5:06 pmeldanielfire wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 5:01 pmYes and those with pre-conditions will likely be vulnerable to other children carrying it.
Those with pre conditions can be separately treated and possibly vaccinated. Mass vaccination of the extreme healthy to protect no one is stupid,
Unless you are the UK, I don't think I have any attitude toward the UK...
He is mimicking the anti vax argument. Whether he means to or not.
Not sure he's quite gone the full Wakefield on this, although I disagree with his conclusion that there's no need to think about vaccinating children.
