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bimboman wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:27 pm

ovalball wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:22 pm

Mick Mannock wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:17 pm

Petej wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:16 pm NHS England plans to give jabs to secondary school children.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... 2-and-over

IMO, this is now way out of hand.

Makes absolute sense to have such 'contingency plans'.

The NHS has drawn up contingency plans to vaccinate secondary school children against Covid later this year, in a move that could help prevent school closures if infections rise after the lifting of lockdown.

No it doesn’t, the infections are minor in children and natural immunity as they grow fabulous, by this stage the vulnerable will have been protected by vaccines,

Rugby2023 wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 7:25 pm Clinical safety trials don't end until 2023, but sure, give it to the children. What could possibly go wrong?

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 7:17 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:27 pm

ovalball wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:22 pm

Mick Mannock wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:17 pm

Petej wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:16 pm NHS England plans to give jabs to secondary school children.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... 2-and-over

IMO, this is now way out of hand.

Makes absolute sense to have such 'contingency plans'.

The NHS has drawn up contingency plans to vaccinate secondary school children against Covid later this year, in a move that could help prevent school closures if infections rise after the lifting of lockdown.

No it doesn’t, the infections are minor in children and natural immunity as they grow fabulous, by this stage the vulnerable will have been protected by vaccines,

Bimboman unable to understand that children will get older shocker and vaccines work best as a preventative measure shocker!

Mick Mannock wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 8:20 pm

Rugby2023 wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 7:25 pm Clinical safety trials don't end until 2023, but sure, give it to the children. What could possibly go wrong?

I agree with you.

Prepare for incoming though.

The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) confirmed it was awaiting the outcome of clinical trials into the safety and effectiveness of vaccines among children and young adults.

“As we’ve already said, we are preparing for a booster programme to take place from the autumn and we continue to plan for all scenarios,” a spokesperson said. “No decisions have been made on whether children should be offered vaccinations and we will be guided by the experts once clinical trials have concluded.”

Rugby2023 wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 7:25 pm Clinical safety trials don't end until 2023, but sure, give it to the children. What could possibly go wrong?

ovalball wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 12:21 am

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 10:19 pm Jesus Farva, I know you want to stop these loons spreading bollocks on here. But surely you have better things to do than try to bring sense to a mong fight?

You really can't argue with stupid - and to quote Albert Einstein

“Two things are infinite: the universe and Bimbo's stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe.”

bimboman wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 8:45 pm

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 7:17 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:27 pm

ovalball wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:22 pm

Mick Mannock wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:17 pm

IMO, this is now way out of hand.

Makes absolute sense to have such 'contingency plans'.

The NHS has drawn up contingency plans to vaccinate secondary school children against Covid later this year, in a move that could help prevent school closures if infections rise after the lifting of lockdown.

No it doesn’t, the infections are minor in children and natural immunity as they grow fabulous, by this stage the vulnerable will have been protected by vaccines,

Bimboman unable to understand that children will get older shocker and vaccines work best as a preventative measure shocker!

Eldanfire ignoring “natural immunity as they grow”. Shocker!

You might want to do some reading around influenza outbreak of 1968/69 and the subsequent immunity of those born just before .... I realise you won’t do this.

TheFrog wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 5:05 pm

Botha Boy wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 1:05 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 12:47 pm

That source is complete garbage. Look at the Italy graph for example - they were wearing masks in Italy during the first wave. They extended it to outdoor mask use in October so I presume that’s where the arrow is just before their second wave.

So masks don’t work outside then. ?

They have lifted mask mandates across a number of US states.

President Biden, Fauci from the NIH and Walensky from the CDC said it would end badly ...

that is was "Neanderthal Thinking" ...


So far ...



Source: The New York Times (/Duff mode )



Maybe masks are not doing as much to protect us as the public healthcare experts expected ...

Meanwhile people in Florida and Texas go about their lives normally ...

What is the bump on the orange curve attributed to?

On masks, I haven't been able to review the science and I think the analysis must be extremely difficult to perform as there are so many different factors to take into account from average age of the population to climate impact to other sanitary precautions (including working from home or lockdowns) to population's compliance.

What I find interesting is that at the hair dresser, or the various supermarkets I go to, I have never known of any employee catching COVID at work. Small sample, but made me curious to find out whether, if a study was run at nationwide scale, this would be confirmed and therefore whether this would (or not) confirm that masks have done their job as we expect them to do.

Same applies with my kids, since they went back to school in March, there have been a few cases of COVID reported, 8 that I know of that affected kids or teachers, but there were no occurrences of children or teachers being infected in class or at school. They all caught it outside, usually during social gatherings, but no transmission occurred in class so far. Again, to small a sample to draw conclusions, but if I wanted to analyze the impact of social distancing and masks, I would look at these data.

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 9:22 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 8:45 pm

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 7:17 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:27 pm

ovalball wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:22 pm

Makes absolute sense to have such 'contingency plans'.

No it doesn’t, the infections are minor in children and natural immunity as they grow fabulous, by this stage the vulnerable will have been protected by vaccines,

Bimboman unable to understand that children will get older shocker and vaccines work best as a preventative measure shocker!

Eldanfire ignoring “natural immunity as they grow”. Shocker!

You might want to do some reading around influenza outbreak of 1968/69 and the subsequent immunity of those born just before .... I realise you won’t do this.

Secondary school children weren't born just before the COVID outbreak, they were born a decade plus.


Likewise COVID isn't exactly like flu.

bimboman wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 9:36 pm

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 9:22 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 8:45 pm

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 7:17 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:27 pm



No it doesn’t, the infections are minor in children and natural immunity as they grow fabulous, by this stage the vulnerable will have been protected by vaccines,

Bimboman unable to understand that children will get older shocker and vaccines work best as a preventative measure shocker!

Eldanfire ignoring “natural immunity as they grow”. Shocker!

You might want to do some reading around influenza outbreak of 1968/69 and the subsequent immunity of those born just before .... I realise you won’t do this.

Secondary school children weren't born just before the COVID outbreak, they were born a decade plus.


Likewise COVID isn't exactly like flu.

So you did no checking on those out breaks and subsequent immunity.

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 9:22 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 8:45 pm

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 7:17 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:27 pm

ovalball wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:22 pm

Makes absolute sense to have such 'contingency plans'.

No it doesn’t, the infections are minor in children and natural immunity as they grow fabulous, by this stage the vulnerable will have been protected by vaccines,

Bimboman unable to understand that children will get older shocker and vaccines work best as a preventative measure shocker!

Eldanfire ignoring “natural immunity as they grow”. Shocker!

You might want to do some reading around influenza outbreak of 1968/69 and the subsequent immunity of those born just before .... I realise you won’t do this.

Secondary school children weren't born just before the COVID outbreak, they were born a decade plus.


Likewise COVID isn't exactly like flu.

bimboman wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 11:22 am You can choose :

A) masks are important and our scientists and politicians chose to lie to us for months as people were infected and died.

B) our scientists and politicians are lying about masks now.


It’s A or B folks.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 10:11 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 11:22 am You can choose :

A) masks are important and our scientists and politicians chose to lie to us for months as people were infected and died.

B) our scientists and politicians are lying about masks now.


It’s A or B folks.

It’s A. UK politicians and scientists were f**king morons or criminals from March to August 2020. Probably both.

South Africans saw their value and were all wearing masks 5 months before Poms finally woke up. South Africans ffs

ovalball wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 10:17 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 10:11 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 11:22 am You can choose :

A) masks are important and our scientists and politicians chose to lie to us for months as people were infected and died.

B) our scientists and politicians are lying about masks now.


It’s A or B folks.

It’s A. UK politicians and scientists were f**king morons or criminals from March to August 2020. Probably both.

South Africans saw their value and were all wearing masks 5 months before Poms finally woke up. South Africans ffs

Or, the science moved on as they learnt more and they changed their advice accordingly and acted in accordance with expert advice.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 10:11 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 11:22 am You can choose :

A) masks are important and our scientists and politicians chose to lie to us for months as people were infected and died.

B) our scientists and politicians are lying about masks now.


It’s A or B folks.

It’s A. UK politicians and scientists were f**king morons or criminals from March to August 2020. Probably both.

South Africans saw their value and were all wearing masks 5 months before Poms finally woke up. South Africans ffs

ovalball wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 10:17 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 10:11 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 11:22 am You can choose :

A) masks are important and our scientists and politicians chose to lie to us for months as people were infected and died.

B) our scientists and politicians are lying about masks now.


It’s A or B folks.

It’s A. UK politicians and scientists were f**king morons or criminals from March to August 2020. Probably both.

South Africans saw their value and were all wearing masks 5 months before Poms finally woke up. South Africans ffs

Or, the science moved on as they learnt more and they changed their advice accordingly and acted in accordance with expert advice.

bimboman wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 10:32 pm

ovalball wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 10:17 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 10:11 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 11:22 am You can choose :

A) masks are important and our scientists and politicians chose to lie to us for months as people were infected and died.

B) our scientists and politicians are lying about masks now.


It’s A or B folks.

It’s A. UK politicians and scientists were f**king morons or criminals from March to August 2020. Probably both.

South Africans saw their value and were all wearing masks 5 months before Poms finally woke up. South Africans ffs

Or, the science moved on as they learnt more and they changed their advice accordingly and acted in accordance with expert advice.

Science and expert advice that no one at all can link and which they themselves have never mentioned nor published.

Botha Boy wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 11:42 am The empirical evidence is in and you can't see where masks of themselves have caused an inflection in infection rates.



You can continue to believe in their effectiveness against respiratory viruses if you must, but the data is not there. And yes, I realise that a fitted N95 style mask can protect you from infection in a hazardous environment, but that is not what is being proscribed for the public.

Estimates suggest that as a result of the implementation of these mandates, more than 200,000 COVID-19 cases were averted by May 22, 2020. The findings suggest that requiring face mask use in public could help in mitigating the spread of COVID-19.

Farva wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 10:35 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 10:32 pm

ovalball wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 10:17 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 10:11 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 11:22 am You can choose :

A) masks are important and our scientists and politicians chose to lie to us for months as people were infected and died.

B) our scientists and politicians are lying about masks now.


It’s A or B folks.

It’s A. UK politicians and scientists were f**king morons or criminals from March to August 2020. Probably both.

South Africans saw their value and were all wearing masks 5 months before Poms finally woke up. South Africans ffs

Or, the science moved on as they learnt more and they changed their advice accordingly and acted in accordance with expert advice.

Science and expert advice that no one at all can link and which they themselves have never mentioned nor published.

I have posted a good 10 articles that have been peer reviewed (despite you not understanding what that is) that suggest that is not true.

bimboman wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 10:31 pm
With South Africa avoiding the pandemic.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/117 ... in-africa/

Jensrsa wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 11:06 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 10:31 pm
With South Africa avoiding the pandemic.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/117 ... in-africa/

You really want to go there given the stats of the US, UK and Europe?


And this is without vaccines and with the SA variant everyone is afraid of

message #2527204 wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 9:31 pm

TheFrog wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 5:05 pm

Botha Boy wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 1:05 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 12:47 pm

That source is complete garbage. Look at the Italy graph for example - they were wearing masks in Italy during the first wave. They extended it to outdoor mask use in October so I presume that’s where the arrow is just before their second wave.

So masks don’t work outside then. ?

They have lifted mask mandates across a number of US states.

President Biden, Fauci from the NIH and Walensky from the CDC said it would end badly ...

that is was "Neanderthal Thinking" ...


So far ...



Source: The New York Times (/Duff mode )



Maybe masks are not doing as much to protect us as the public healthcare experts expected ...

Meanwhile people in Florida and Texas go about their lives normally ...

What is the bump on the orange curve attributed to?

On masks, I haven't been able to review the science and I think the analysis must be extremely difficult to perform as there are so many different factors to take into account from average age of the population to climate impact to other sanitary precautions (including working from home or lockdowns) to population's compliance.

What I find interesting is that at the hair dresser, or the various supermarkets I go to, I have never known of any employee catching COVID at work. Small sample, but made me curious to find out whether, if a study was run at nationwide scale, this would be confirmed and therefore whether this would (or not) confirm that masks have done their job as we expect them to do.

Same applies with my kids, since they went back to school in March, there have been a few cases of COVID reported, 8 that I know of that affected kids or teachers, but there were no occurrences of children or teachers being infected in class or at school. They all caught it outside, usually during social gatherings, but no transmission occurred in class so far. Again, to small a sample to draw conclusions, but if I wanted to analyze the impact of social distancing and masks, I would look at these data.

You're agreeing with bimbo. Any effect on infection by wearing masks - whether good or bad - is too small to measure when considered against any other factors.

TheFrog wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 2:56 am

message #2527204 wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 9:31 pm

TheFrog wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 5:05 pm

Botha Boy wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 1:05 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 12:47 pm

So masks don’t work outside then. ?

They have lifted mask mandates across a number of US states.

President Biden, Fauci from the NIH and Walensky from the CDC said it would end badly ...

that is was "Neanderthal Thinking" ...


So far ...



Source: The New York Times (/Duff mode )



Maybe masks are not doing as much to protect us as the public healthcare experts expected ...

Meanwhile people in Florida and Texas go about their lives normally ...

What is the bump on the orange curve attributed to?

On masks, I haven't been able to review the science and I think the analysis must be extremely difficult to perform as there are so many different factors to take into account from average age of the population to climate impact to other sanitary precautions (including working from home or lockdowns) to population's compliance.

What I find interesting is that at the hair dresser, or the various supermarkets I go to, I have never known of any employee catching COVID at work. Small sample, but made me curious to find out whether, if a study was run at nationwide scale, this would be confirmed and therefore whether this would (or not) confirm that masks have done their job as we expect them to do.

Same applies with my kids, since they went back to school in March, there have been a few cases of COVID reported, 8 that I know of that affected kids or teachers, but there were no occurrences of children or teachers being infected in class or at school. They all caught it outside, usually during social gatherings, but no transmission occurred in class so far. Again, to small a sample to draw conclusions, but if I wanted to analyze the impact of social distancing and masks, I would look at these data.

You're agreeing with bimbo. Any effect on infection by wearing masks - whether good or bad - is too small to measure when considered against any other factors.

Not quite what I said.

But for sure, I am convinced that masks are not sufficient to stop the spread of the disease on their own if this is what you mean.

Farva wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 10:35 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 10:32 pm

ovalball wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 10:17 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 10:11 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 11:22 am You can choose :

A) masks are important and our scientists and politicians chose to lie to us for months as people were infected and died.

B) our scientists and politicians are lying about masks now.


It’s A or B folks.

It’s A. UK politicians and scientists were f**king morons or criminals from March to August 2020. Probably both.

South Africans saw their value and were all wearing masks 5 months before Poms finally woke up. South Africans ffs

Or, the science moved on as they learnt more and they changed their advice accordingly and acted in accordance with expert advice.

Science and expert advice that no one at all can link and which they themselves have never mentioned nor published.

I have posted a good 10 articles that have been peer reviewed (despite you not understanding what that is) that suggest that is not true.

Jensrsa wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 11:06 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 10:31 pm
With South Africa avoiding the pandemic.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/117 ... in-africa/

You really want to go there given the stats of the US, UK and Europe?


And this is without vaccines and with the SA variant everyone is afraid of

bimboman wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 10:00 am

Farva wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 10:35 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 10:32 pm

ovalball wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 10:17 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 10:11 pm

It’s A. UK politicians and scientists were f**king morons or criminals from March to August 2020. Probably both.

South Africans saw their value and were all wearing masks 5 months before Poms finally woke up. South Africans ffs

Or, the science moved on as they learnt more and they changed their advice accordingly and acted in accordance with expert advice.

Science and expert advice that no one at all can link and which they themselves have never mentioned nor published.

I have posted a good 10 articles that have been peer reviewed (despite you not understanding what that is) that suggest that is not true.

None of which have been cited by the politicians and scientists as they’re not actual science despite me pointing that out and you not understanding.

message #2527204 wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 9:40 am No, I'm suggesting that if general cloth mask wearing has any effect on reproduction rate whatsoever, either positive or negative, then it is neglible when compared with any, and all, other measures.

guy smiley wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 11:38 am More from the justaflu archives...

A new study from Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis shows that even mild cases of COVID-19 increase the risk of death in the six months following diagnosis and that this risk increases with disease severity. The comprehensive study also catalogues the wide-ranging and long-term health problems often triggered by the infection, even among those not hospitalized.

A study involving 87000 Covid patients and a database of 5 million control patients has turned up some fairly serious results regarding the long term effects of the justaflu virus.

The investigators showed that, after surviving the initial infection (beyond the first 30 days of illness), COVID-19 survivors had an almost 60% increased risk of death over the following six months compared with the general population. At the six-month mark, excess deaths among all COVID-19 survivors were estimated at eight people per 1,000 patients. Among patients who were ill enough to be hospitalized with COVID-19 and who survived beyond the first 30 days of illness, there were 29 excess deaths per 1,000 patients over the following six months.

“These later deaths due to long-term complications of the infection are not necessarily recorded as deaths due to COVID-19,” Al-Aly said. “As far as total pandemic death toll, these numbers suggest that the deaths we’re counting due to the immediate viral infection are only the tip of the iceberg.”

Pertinent to our interests and discussions in here, of course...

The researchers confirmed that, despite being initially a respiratory virus, long COVID-19 can affect nearly every organ system in the body. Evaluating 379 diagnoses of diseases possibly related to COVID-19, 380 classes of medications prescribed and 62 laboratory tests administered, the researchers identified newly diagnosed major health issues that persisted in COVID-19 patients over at least six months and that affected nearly every organ and regulatory system in the body, including:

Respiratory system: persistent cough, shortness of breath and low oxygen levels in the blood.
Nervous system: stroke, headaches, memory problems and problems with senses of taste and smell.
Mental health: anxiety, depression, sleep problems and substance abuse.
Metabolism: new onset of diabetes, obesity and high cholesterol.
Cardiovascular system: acute coronary disease, heart failure, heart palpitations and irregular heart rhythms.
Gastrointestinal system: constipation, diarrhea and acid reflux.
Kidney: acute kidney injury and chronic kidney disease that can, in severe cases, require dialysis.
Coagulation regulation: blood clots in the legs and lungs.
Skin: rash and hair loss.
Musculoskeletal system: joint pain and muscle weakness.
General health: malaise, fatigue and anemia.

While no survivor suffered from all of these problems, many developed a cluster of several issues that have a significant impact on health and quality of life.

It's all so clear now. MOG's aggression and massive overcompensatory behaviour over the Notaflu is a reaction to losing his hair after catching it and 'just getting a headache'.

Yeah right, MOG.

TheFrog wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 12:29 pm

message #2527204 wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 9:40 am No, I'm suggesting that if general cloth mask wearing has any effect on reproduction rate whatsoever, either positive or negative, then it is neglible when compared with any, and all, other measures.

My gut feeling is that the number 1 factor to prevent the spreading of the virus is being in a ventilated area, outdoor ideally. In my unscientific opinion, has to be the number 1 factor, as illustrated by the low contamination during the summer in Europe.

Then social distancing combined with mask. Mask filters part of the virus load, more or less efficiently depending on the type of mask, how tightly fitted it is and whether it is wet or not. It also slows down the flow of air exhaled and prevent it from traveling as far as when there is no mask. This is where the mask plays a big role I believe and it becomes even more critical when people are gathered in closed surrounding.

Finally, basic hygienic measures, from washing hands to maintaining clean surfaces is the last prevention measure I can think of.


That is why I'd be curious to see studies conducted on contamination in close environments where people wore masks (for example supermarkets) vs events such as weddings were people were gathered together but removed masks to drink and eat.

bimboman wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 4:27 pm https://twitter.com/apsmunro/status/1389508938027130886


Remember all the doom warnings about schools. And how dangerous it was for teachers etc.

Clouseau wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 6:05 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 4:27 pm https://twitter.com/apsmunro/status/1389508938027130886


Remember all the doom warnings about schools. And how dangerous it was for teachers etc.

I remember how much less we knew about this thingy a while ago, how we all thought it would be over at the end of spring last year and how many were lambasting their respective governments over the lack of available masks, the same people that are now claiming they're useless.

Hindsight is such a wonderful thing.

bimboman wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 5:46 pm https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/stat ... 9373641732


But but but ....

Lots of posters said this would lead to another wave.