Planet Rugby Forum

Pure mental frailty. His team wasn’t great either.

Gatland out.

Starting to think the chiefs are just a shit team.

Ali's Choice wrote:I think it's stupid to write off Gatland's coaching ability after just four matches of Super Rugby Aotearoa given his impressive body of work over many years. He is clearly a good coach, his team is just struggling a bit right now. Rob Penney won four provincial titles in a row with Canterbury, but is struggling with the Waratahs. Has Penney suddenly become a poor coach? Of course he hasn't, and neither has Gatland.

People writing him off have some sort of agenda. He has a long record as a successful coach.

Anonymous. wrote:

Ali's Choice wrote:I think it's stupid to write off Gatland's coaching ability after just four matches of Super Rugby Aotearoa given his impressive body of work over many years. He is clearly a good coach, his team is just struggling a bit right now. Rob Penney won four provincial titles in a row with Canterbury, but is struggling with the Waratahs. Has Penney suddenly become a poor coach? Of course he hasn't, and neither has Gatland.

People writing him off have some sort of agenda. He has a long record as a successful coach.

Who gives a fudge about his past deeds? He's 0-5 in Super Rugby Aotearoa. Clearly not up to coaching at this level.

booji boy wrote:

Anonymous. wrote:

Ali's Choice wrote:I think it's stupid to write off Gatland's coaching ability after just four matches of Super Rugby Aotearoa given his impressive body of work over many years. He is clearly a good coach, his team is just struggling a bit right now. Rob Penney won four provincial titles in a row with Canterbury, but is struggling with the Waratahs. Has Penney suddenly become a poor coach? Of course he hasn't, and neither has Gatland.

People writing him off have some sort of agenda. He has a long record as a successful coach.

Who gives a fudge about his past deeds? He's 0-5 in Super Rugby Aotearoa. Clearly not up to coaching at this level.

While it is no guarantee of future success a long record of success in previous coaching jobs does normally give a new coach an extended period of good will to turn things around if they make a bad start. Many of us seem to dislike Gatland but only the fools think his poor start is proof he is not up to it.

I fear that Warren Gatland has become the José Mourinho of rugby.

A lot of NZers seem likely to never forgive Gatland over the lions tour.

JB1981 wrote:I fear that Warren Gatland has become the José Mourinho of rugby.

After literally a handful of games that seems like wishful thinking.

Wilderbeast wrote:A lot of NZers seem likely to never forgive Gatland over the lions tour.

It goes back much further than that. In the mid 2000's he came back to NZ expecting the red carpet to be rolled out for a Super Rugby coaching role. When it wasn't forthcoming he headed back North to coach Wales and took great delight in constantly telling anyone who would listen "We're not as good as we think we are in NZ" which had a certain ring to it given our successive world cup failures. Just a negative, whiny, smug plum and his teams typically play dour, negative, one dimensional rugby.

Hopefully his miserable run with the Chiefs will put to bed any notion that he is a future All Black coach.

Some don’t like honesty.

And some expect miracles.

You can’t polish a turd. It’ll take time. Unfortunate that wendyball impatience and unrealistic expectations have permeated the psyche of some.

henry wrote:Some don’t like honesty.

And some expect miracles.

You can’t polish a turd. It’ll take time. Unfortunate that wendyball impatience and unrealistic expectations have permeated the psyche of some.

Bollocks! The Chiefs have been an excellent team for years and I thought the arrival of Gatland would make them even better and they would be a top team, challenging the Crusaders as the top NZ side. The first few results were promising (in the regular season) but there were a couple of meek home losses against lesser sides that raised eyebrows. Now in Super Rugby Aotearoa they have been unlucky in some matches but there is no hiding from the dismal 0-5 record. He has a good record overall and fair play to him but talk of him being the AB coach in waiting due to his long record of success seemed ridiculous. I'm hoping his dismal performance at this level will put that notion to bed permanently.

booji boy wrote:

henry wrote:Some don’t like honesty.

And some expect miracles.

You can’t polish a turd. It’ll take time. Unfortunate that wendyball impatience and unrealistic expectations have permeated the psyche of some.

Bollocks! The Chiefs have been an excellent team for years and I thought the arrival of Gatland would make them even better and they would be a top team, challenging the Crusaders as the top NZ side. The first few results were promising (in the regular season) but there were a couple of meek home losses against lesser sides that raised eyebrows. Now in Super Rugby Aotearoa they have been unlucky in some matches but there is no hiding from the dismal 0-5 record. He has a good record overall and fair play to him but talk of him being the AB coach in waiting due to his long record of success seemed ridiculous. I'm hoping his dismal performance at this level will put that notion to bed permanently.

Yes, madness.

henry wrote:Some don’t like honesty.

And some expect miracles.

You can’t polish a turd. It’ll take time. Unfortunate that wendyball impatience and unrealistic expectations have permeated the psyche of some.

He seemed to do okay at polishing the dross that is Wales. Well against some teams but not all

Wilderbeast wrote:A lot of NZers seem likely to never forgive Gatland over the lions tour.

Nah we blame Poite

EverReady wrote:He'd actually be a great AB coach. Any short punchy competition where he can brow beat the officials and opposition players is his natural space. A long drawn out league would bore him.

Winning three Premiership on the bounce will do that to a man.

But maybe there’s hope and a lesson there for the casual and transient Kiwi fan. When joined Wasps, they were bottom of the league. He squeezed success out of them. He even made Ireland competitive. Hopefully the Chiefs have the talent to do likewise.

I wonder if the Chiefs require a coach with mana, one who can tap into the region's rich indigenous culture.

Or, in other words, someone who isn't a honky.

jdogscoop wrote:I wonder if the Chiefs require a coach with mana, one who can tap into the region's rich indigenous culture.

Or, in other words, someone who isn't a honky.

And I’m out.

henry wrote:

EverReady wrote:He'd actually be a great AB coach. Any short punchy competition where he can brow beat the officials and opposition players is his natural space. A long drawn out league would bore him.

Winning three Premiership on the bounce will do that to a man.

But maybe there’s hope and a lesson there for the casual and transient Kiwi fan. When joined Wasps, they were bottom of the league. He squeezed success out of them. He even made Ireland competitive. Hopefully the Chiefs have the talent to do likewise.

Is his plan to drive them down so that he can bring them back up? It’s a bold play.

Anonymous. wrote:

Ali's Choice wrote:I think it's stupid to write off Gatland's coaching ability after just four matches of Super Rugby Aotearoa given his impressive body of work over many years. He is clearly a good coach, his team is just struggling a bit right now. Rob Penney won four provincial titles in a row with Canterbury, but is struggling with the Waratahs. Has Penney suddenly become a poor coach? Of course he hasn't, and neither has Gatland.

People writing him off have some sort of agenda. He has a long record as a successful coach.

I have an agenda, that agenda is that I like the Chiefs to actually win matches.

Gatland OUT.

henry wrote:

EverReady wrote:He'd actually be a great AB coach. Any short punchy competition where he can brow beat the officials and opposition players is his natural space. A long drawn out league would bore him.

Winning three Premiership on the bounce will do that to a man.

But maybe there’s hope and a lesson there for the casual and transient Kiwi fan. When joined Wasps, they were bottom of the league. He squeezed success out of them. He even made Ireland competitive. Hopefully the Chiefs have the talent to do likewise.

Wasps were a team in complete disarray at the time he took over, at least from a coaching / management perspective. He did fantastically well to sort things out.
Chiefs were arguably the best NZ team playerwise in this year's competition and he has got nothing out of them.

booji boy wrote:

henry wrote:Some don’t like honesty.

And some expect miracles.

You can’t polish a turd. It’ll take time. Unfortunate that wendyball impatience and unrealistic expectations have permeated the psyche of some.

Bollocks! The Chiefs have been an excellent team for years and I thought the arrival of Gatland would make them even better and they would be a top team, challenging the Crusaders as the top NZ side. The first few results were promising (in the regular season) but there were a couple of meek home losses against lesser sides that raised eyebrows. Now in Super Rugby Aotearoa they have been unlucky in some matches but there is no hiding from the dismal 0-5 record. He has a good record overall and fair play to him but talk of him being the AB coach in waiting due to his long record of success seemed ridiculous. I'm hoping his dismal performance at this level will put that notion to bed permanently.

Yes, ridiculous anyone dare consider a coach with a long history of success be considered for a big job

Tbf to the Gatland haters, his 0% record in Super RUgby Aotearoa isn't anything to boast about. Yes his squad has a gaping hole in with Retallick unavailable until 2023 due to his sabbatical, but he has a better squad than his results would suggest. The Crusaders would kill for his loose forward options.

Ali's Choice wrote:Tbf to the Gatland haters, his 0% record in Super RUgby Aotearoa isn't anything to boast about. Yes his squad has a gaping hole in with Retallick unavailable until 2023 due to his sabbatical, but he has a better squad than his results would suggest. The Crusaders would kill for his loose forward options.

Adam Thompson? Jesse Parete? I doubt it.

Surprised, as were the commentators when he subbed his 8, Sowakula, who was having a great game, with plenty of time on the clock.

henry wrote:

jdogscoop wrote:I wonder if the Chiefs require a coach with mana, one who can tap into the region's rich indigenous culture.

Or, in other words, someone who isn't a honky.

And I’m out.

What a shame that henry considered my educational discourse too confronting.

His record with Wales against SH sides was very poor and with the Lions he had a Beale slip to thank for a series win against what was a mediocre Aussie side and some suspect ref calls saved his Lions in NZ, a tour which saw one of the strongest Lions squads ever assembled lose to the Blues & Highlanders and were fortunate to draw with the Hurricanes.

He was a 'momentum' coach in the 6n, beat Eng, Ire or France in their first game and they could ride the wave to the title but if they didn't get off to a good start they would fight it out with Scotland and Italy at the bottom. His record away from the cauldron that is Cardiff against both NH and SH opposition was not good.

Can we have him back?

AND-y wrote:Can we have him back?

But he’s caused so much hurt, Andy. So much. Best he stays where he is and attempts to drag standards up down there.

Have read different things that it's not actually Gatland who does much of the hands on day-to-day coaching. Have that, NZ hicks.

Ulsters Red Hand wrote:Have read different things that it's not actually Gatland who does much of the hands on day-to-day coaching. Have that, NZ hicks.

He’s nothing without Rob Howley and Shaun Edwards.

EverReady wrote:Exactly Cabbage and he had that thing where the refs had grown up watching the great Welsh sides and were automatically inclined to give them extremely dodgy decisions. That and the corruption

How old do you think the refs are that they can possibly have grown up watching great Welsh sides?

EverReady wrote:All those clips of Gareth Edwards on a loop during the 90's as all the 5 nations teams were so shite. The guy must have made a fortune on the after dinner circuit. Anyway stop covering up Welsh corruption that culminated in Rob Howley being asked to leave the Welsh camp and the triads then hushing World rugby up

It appears Gats still has the ability to really work away at old wounds. Carry on Warren

henry wrote:You can’t polish a turd.

Here's the Chiefs record before Gats joined...

2019 - Quarter finalists
2018 - Quarter finalists
2017 - Semi finalists
2016 - Semi finalists
2015 - Quarter finalists
2014 - Quarter finalists
2013 - Champions
2012 - Champions

naki wrote:

henry wrote:You can’t polish a turd.

Here's the Chiefs record before Gats joined...

2019 - Quarter finalists
2018 - Quarter finalists
2017 - Semi finalists
2016 - Semi finalists
2015 - Quarter finalists
2014 - Quarter finalists
2013 - Champions
2012 - Champions

So 6-year losers.

henry wrote:

naki wrote:

henry wrote:You can’t polish a turd.

Here's the Chiefs record before Gats joined...

2019 - Quarter finalists
2018 - Quarter finalists
2017 - Semi finalists
2016 - Semi finalists
2015 - Quarter finalists
2014 - Quarter finalists
2013 - Champions
2012 - Champions

So 6-year losers.

6 year challengers, now bottom of the table cellar-dwellers.

Send. Him. Back.

naki wrote:

henry wrote:

naki wrote:

henry wrote:You can’t polish a turd.

Here's the Chiefs record before Gats joined...

2019 - Quarter finalists
2018 - Quarter finalists
2017 - Semi finalists
2016 - Semi finalists
2015 - Quarter finalists
2014 - Quarter finalists
2013 - Champions
2012 - Champions

So 6-year losers.

6 year challengers, now bottom of the table cellar-dwellers.

Send. Him. Back.

Totally different comp though.

naki wrote:

henry wrote:

naki wrote:

henry wrote:You can’t polish a turd.

Here's the Chiefs record before Gats joined...

2019 - Quarter finalists
2018 - Quarter finalists
2017 - Semi finalists
2016 - Semi finalists
2015 - Quarter finalists
2014 - Quarter finalists
2013 - Champions
2012 - Champions

So 6-year losers.

6 year challengers, now bottom of the table cellar-dwellers.

Send. Him. Back.

He’s already off, mate. Got another big gig. Prime cattle. Top-tier tour. Not third rate comp in arse end of nowhere.

naki wrote:

henry wrote:You can’t polish a turd.

Here's the Chiefs record before Gats joined...

2019 - Quarter finalists
2018 - Quarter finalists
2017 - Semi finalists
2016 - Semi finalists
2015 - Quarter finalists
2014 - Quarter finalists
2013 - Champions
2012 - Champions

He’s on track for fifth. A quarter final spot or one spot shy of the semi finals if there were any. You know, if they were the same competitions.

henry wrote:

naki wrote:

henry wrote:

naki wrote:

henry wrote:You can’t polish a turd.

Here's the Chiefs record before Gats joined...

2019 - Quarter finalists
2018 - Quarter finalists
2017 - Semi finalists
2016 - Semi finalists
2015 - Quarter finalists
2014 - Quarter finalists
2013 - Champions
2012 - Champions

So 6-year losers.

6 year challengers, now bottom of the table cellar-dwellers.

Send. Him. Back.

He’s already off, mate. Got another big gig. Prime cattle. Top-tier tour. Not third rate comp in arse end of nowhere.

It's undoubtedly the best rugby competition in the world at the moment, and he's FAILING

Remember those heady days of a mere 6 weeks ago, when naki was wondering whether a Chiefs victory would officially count as a first Super Rugby title for the Taranaki region? Good times, good times.

Demilich wrote:Remember those heady days of a mere 6 weeks ago, when naki was wondering whether a Chiefs victory would officially count as a first Super Rugby title for the Taranaki region? Good times, good times.

nah doesn't ring a bell