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Re: The Running Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:51 am
by Nolanator
Do your rehab. It's not just for shits and giggles.

Re: The Running Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 12:24 pm
by blindcider
Nolanator wrote:Do your rehab. It's not just for shits and giggles.
Gym rat 'roid heads get out of this thread. Runners don't lift :P

Re: The Running Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 12:29 pm
by assfly
Starting a 19 week training schedule today for a marathon in June.

Running without a race booked in the near future is difficult. I lose motivation so quickly.

Re: The Running Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 12:33 pm
by sorCrer
assfly wrote:Starting a 19 week training schedule today for a marathon in June.

Running without a race booked in the near future is difficult. I lose motivation so quickly.
Yeah. Long runs on your own are lonely.

Running Sunrise Monster 32km on Saturday morning so will do a week of double ups Tues 4km, Weds 8km, Thurs 16km, Rest Friday, 32km Sat

Re: The Running Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 12:44 pm
by assfly
sorCrer wrote:Yeah. Long runs on your own are lonely.

Running Sunrise Monster 32km on Saturday morning so will do a week of double ups Tues 4km, Weds 8km, Thurs 16km, Rest Friday, 32km Sat
I usually take my two dogs with me when I run. Especially if it's early morning when the hyenas are around. They're great company.

That's a serious amount of mileage for one week! How much do you weigh, out of curiosity?

Re: The Running Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 12:57 pm
by sorCrer
assfly wrote:
sorCrer wrote:Yeah. Long runs on your own are lonely.

Running Sunrise Monster 32km on Saturday morning so will do a week of double ups Tues 4km, Weds 8km, Thurs 16km, Rest Friday, 32km Sat
I usually take my two dogs with me when I run. Especially if it's early morning when the hyenas are around. They're great company.

That's a serious amount of mileage for one week! How much do you weigh, out of curiosity?
Currently around 87. Started the year at 94 :blush:

Re: The Running Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 1:12 pm
by assfly
That's not bad. I'm a bit heavier than you, and I can feel it on my legs and back when I run. Will hopefully dip under 90 fairly soon into training.

Re: The Running Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 3:52 pm
by HKCJ
le chat wrote:I used to be a 2:44 marathoner but have put weight on in recent years and I am just getting back into running regularly. Currently just doing 3-5 miles, averaging below 9 minute miles at the moment so happy with that progress at 103kg.

Hoping to run a marathon later in the year looking at Marine corps (expensive) or Valencia (cheap). I would never do a marathon in England except London as I like a lot of crowd support which they don't tend to get here.

Currently running in Hoka Clifton's which are ready to be changed. Recently tried some Altras in a running store which were nice so also looking at this brand. It was a professional development session for podiatrists when I tried these and found that there is little alteration in my running gait depending on what shoe I wore. I don't think it is too far off of the mark to run in a shoe which you find comfortable, lots of the guys in running shoes talk absolute shite.

Also bought some Hoka sliders last week which are comfy but I am doubtful that they're particularly beneficial for recovery as advertised
Can recommend the Marine Corps Marathon. Really nice route, decent support, well organised.. the only bitch is the last 100m which is very uphill. You do have a bunch of marines screaming at you though which is good for the motivation. Some pretty impressive times by amputees too.

Re: The Running Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 3:53 pm
by Nolanator
blindcider wrote:
Nolanator wrote:Do your rehab. It's not just for shits and giggles.
Gym rat 'roid heads get out of this thread. Runners don't lift :P
I went running on Saturday, so nyer!
Closing in on 60 now. Would have it by now if it wasn't for lots of travelling and weather related cancellations in the last month and a bit.

Re: The Running Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 3:56 pm
by danny_fitz
HKCJ wrote:
le chat wrote:I used to be a 2:44 marathoner but have put weight on in recent years and I am just getting back into running regularly. Currently just doing 3-5 miles, averaging below 9 minute miles at the moment so happy with that progress at 103kg.

Hoping to run a marathon later in the year looking at Marine corps (expensive) or Valencia (cheap). I would never do a marathon in England except London as I like a lot of crowd support which they don't tend to get here.

Currently running in Hoka Clifton's which are ready to be changed. Recently tried some Altras in a running store which were nice so also looking at this brand. It was a professional development session for podiatrists when I tried these and found that there is little alteration in my running gait depending on what shoe I wore. I don't think it is too far off of the mark to run in a shoe which you find comfortable, lots of the guys in running shoes talk absolute shite.

Also bought some Hoka sliders last week which are comfy but I am doubtful that they're particularly beneficial for recovery as advertised
Can recommend the Marine Corps Marathon. Really nice route, decent support, well organised.. the only bitch is the last 100m which is very uphill. You do have a bunch of marines screaming at you though which is good for the motivation. Some pretty impressive times by amputees too.
Have you got anything lined up?

I did the Hampton Court Half last year, I like to think I have another marathon in the tank but rowing is just getting in the way now. Would love to do London but I simply cant be arsed to take a charity place.

Re: The Running Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 4:06 pm
by argus
BokJock wrote:I have found Strava to be a really great motivator. and I was a total non runner until a few years ago.

I have become a real saddo with it - setting routes and segments around my village - but the competitor in me gets a real kick out of getting the virtual medals - so pushes me not to stop or go that bit quicker.

And the narcissist in me likes getting the kudos :blush:
Can the cute on strava be preset ?

Re: The Running Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 4:54 pm
by BokJock
assfly wrote:Starting a 19 week training schedule today for a marathon in June.

Running without a race booked in the near future is difficult. I lose motivation so quickly.
Same here. Into week 6 of my program for Edinburgh. got a couple of 10km and probably a 1/2 to do along the way.

(Had to stop 30km into the Loch Ness Marathon due to old rugby hip injury, so this is the last chance to do a marathon before I am 40)

Re: The Running Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 5:04 pm
by Mog The Almighty
Why do I struggle to get my heart rate up into a decent zone on an elliptical machine, but struggle to keep it down into a decent zone on a road run?

I'm seem to sweat and huff and puff just as much doing either one.

Re: The Running Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 5:22 pm
by le chat
HKCJ wrote:
le chat wrote:I used to be a 2:44 marathoner but have put weight on in recent years and I am just getting back into running regularly. Currently just doing 3-5 miles, averaging below 9 minute miles at the moment so happy with that progress at 103kg.

Hoping to run a marathon later in the year looking at Marine corps (expensive) or Valencia (cheap). I would never do a marathon in England except London as I like a lot of crowd support which they don't tend to get here.

Currently running in Hoka Clifton's which are ready to be changed. Recently tried some Altras in a running store which were nice so also looking at this brand. It was a professional development session for podiatrists when I tried these and found that there is little alteration in my running gait depending on what shoe I wore. I don't think it is too far off of the mark to run in a shoe which you find comfortable, lots of the guys in running shoes talk absolute shite.

Also bought some Hoka sliders last week which are comfy but I am doubtful that they're particularly beneficial for recovery as advertised
Can recommend the Marine Corps Marathon. Really nice route, decent support, well organised.. the only bitch is the last 100m which is very uphill. You do have a bunch of marines screaming at you though which is good for the motivation. Some pretty impressive times by amputees too.
It sounds awesome, I really want to do it but getting married next year so looks like I'm gonna go for a cheaper option.

Valencia was sold out which is annoying, thought about Florence but difficult to get to and has a large industrial section so think it's gonna be Amsterdam

Re: The Running Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 5:45 pm
by Duff Paddy
Mog The Almighty wrote:Why do I struggle to get my heart rate up into a decent zone on an elliptical machine, but struggle to keep it down into a decent zone on a road run?

I'm seem to sweat and huff and puff just as much doing either one.
It’s actually hard to run slow

Re: The Running Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 5:58 pm
by dargotronV.1
Trying to get back into running atm, following a knee injury. Not so much chronic just niggling / won't go away. After months of stretching / strengthening following physio advice, with no real joy, I have recently taken to yoga to see if it would help, and my new found core strength is taking the weight off and actually allowing me to run :thumbup:

Got a half marathon in 13 weeks, should just about be ok for that if I can keep my training up

Re: The Running Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 6:11 pm
by sorCrer
dargotronV.1 wrote:Trying to get back into running atm, following a knee injury. Not so much chronic just niggling / won't go away. After months of stretching / strengthening following physio advice, with no real joy, I have recently taken to yoga to see if it would help, and my new found core strength is taking the weight off and actually allowing me to run :thumbup:

Got a half marathon in 13 weeks, should just about be ok for that if I can keep my training up
Core strength is critical. Planking is one of the best exercises. The world record was beaten yesterday. 8 hours 15 ffs

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/23/us/n ... index.html

Re: The Running Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 6:24 pm
by Mog The Almighty
Duff Paddy wrote:
Mog The Almighty wrote:Why do I struggle to get my heart rate up into a decent zone on an elliptical machine, but struggle to keep it down into a decent zone on a road run?

I'm seem to sweat and huff and puff just as much doing either one.
It’s actually hard to run slow
Erm what? Please explain because my experience is the exact opposite.

Re: The Running Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 6:26 pm
by Duff Paddy
Mog The Almighty wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
Mog The Almighty wrote:Why do I struggle to get my heart rate up into a decent zone on an elliptical machine, but struggle to keep it down into a decent zone on a road run?

I'm seem to sweat and huff and puff just as much doing either one.
It’s actually hard to run slow
Erm what? Please explain because my experience is the exact opposite.
Most people have a natural jogging pace that puts their heart rate quite high. Your “conversational” running pace where you can hold a full conversation whilst running is very slow so if you’re running on your own you’re usually way faster than that.

Re: The Running Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:11 pm
by Nolanator
Duff Paddy wrote:
Mog The Almighty wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
Mog The Almighty wrote:Why do I struggle to get my heart rate up into a decent zone on an elliptical machine, but struggle to keep it down into a decent zone on a road run?

I'm seem to sweat and huff and puff just as much doing either one.
It’s actually hard to run slow
Erm what? Please explain because my experience is the exact opposite.
Most people have a natural jogging pace that puts their heart rate quite high. Your “conversational” running pace where you can hold a full conversation whilst running is very slow so if you’re running on your own you’re usually way faster than that.
Below a certain speed, walking is actually more energy efficient than running. I find trying to trudge big really difficult. Opening up the stride and speeding up a bit actually makes it easier.

Re: The Running Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:08 pm
by dargotronV.1
sorCrer wrote:
dargotronV.1 wrote:Trying to get back into running atm, following a knee injury. Not so much chronic just niggling / won't go away. After months of stretching / strengthening following physio advice, with no real joy, I have recently taken to yoga to see if it would help, and my new found core strength is taking the weight off and actually allowing me to run :thumbup:

Got a half marathon in 13 weeks, should just about be ok for that if I can keep my training up
Core strength is critical. Planking is one of the best exercises. The world record was beaten yesterday. 8 hours 15 ffs

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/23/us/n ... index.html
I'll get on to tackling that record after the half :thumbup:

Re: The Running Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:25 pm
by Kahu
Anyone with knee trouble should check out @Kneesovertoeguy on IG. I had grade3 LCL tear with grade 2 ACL and PCL tears in July 2015. 2 years later I completed my first half marathon but still had those painful niggles that would randomly appear. Signed up to kneesovertoeguy and those niggles were gone within a month. Slightly annoying (but worth it despite) is all the exercises he had me doing he gives away free on his page :x :lol:

Re: The Running Thread

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:29 am
by ElementFreak
assfly wrote:Starting a 19 week training schedule today for a marathon in June.

Running without a race booked in the near future is difficult. I lose motivation so quickly.
Yep, it's tough to keep training without a goal or a race.

Currently got 2 on the go. Sub 20 for the 5km (pr just before Christmas of 20:12 at a flat and fast parkrun) and a sub 1:43 half.

Re: The Running Thread

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 3:12 am
by rustycruiser
My goal is to be less fat. And I guess keep the streak going. What is prob going to happen is training to try BQ once I hit my birthday this year, as I go up a group and gain 5 minutes. That (BQ) is going to be rough though and prob a pipe dream

Re: The Running Thread

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:40 am
by assfly
BokJock wrote:Same here. Into week 6 of my program for Edinburgh. got a couple of 10km and probably a 1/2 to do along the way.

(Had to stop 30km into the Loch Ness Marathon due to old rugby hip injury, so this is the last chance to do a marathon before I am 40)
You'll need to do a couple of long runs (i.e. longer than 21km) if you're training for the full marathon.

I'm sure you can carry on running after you turn 40. Running has actually made me feel much younger. I was also chatting to a fella on the weekend who is 55 and has run 16 marathons since turning 40.

Re: The Running Thread

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:57 am
by DOB
assfly wrote:
BokJock wrote:Same here. Into week 6 of my program for Edinburgh. got a couple of 10km and probably a 1/2 to do along the way.

(Had to stop 30km into the Loch Ness Marathon due to old rugby hip injury, so this is the last chance to do a marathon before I am 40)
You'll need to do a couple of long runs (i.e. longer than 21km) if you're training for the full marathon.

I'm sure you can carry on running after you turn 40. Running has actually made me feel much younger. I was also chatting to a fella on the weekend who is 55 and has run 16 marathons since turning 40.
I’m 42 in a couple weeks and still run semi-regularly (the Saturday morning club runs are the easiest current option for taking the kids out exercising). There are several runners at the club older than me running marathons on a regular basis, and some who’ve got into ultra-distance at that age.

I can understand wanting to do a marathon while still under 40 just to set a personal time. Even at that, I’m sure there are people out there who’ve set PBs well past 40.

Re: The Running Thread

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:58 am
by sorCrer
assfly wrote:
BokJock wrote:Same here. Into week 6 of my program for Edinburgh. got a couple of 10km and probably a 1/2 to do along the way.

(Had to stop 30km into the Loch Ness Marathon due to old rugby hip injury, so this is the last chance to do a marathon before I am 40)
You'll need to do a couple of long runs (i.e. longer than 21km) if you're training for the full marathon.

I'm sure you can carry on running after you turn 40. Running has actually made me feel much younger. I was also chatting to a fella on the weekend who is 55 and has run 16 marathons since turning 40.
I started running long distance again by entering Comrades on the morning of my 40th. I'm turning 52 this year and have done 4 × 21, 2 x 32km (1 this weekend coming) and a 42km since the beginning of the year. Which is fairly standard Comrades training at this stage.

Re: The Running Thread

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:19 am
by assfly
sorCrer wrote:I started running long distance again by entering Comrades on the morning of my 40th. I'm turning 52 this year and have done 4 × 21, 2 x 32km (1 this weekend coming) and a 42km since the beginning of the year. Which is fairly standard Comrades training at this stage.
Is it up or down this year? My mate in Joburg is doing his third this year. His first was a DNF and his second was 11 hours 45 minutes.

Once I can comfortable slip under the 5 hour mark of a marathon I'll consider it.

But those distances you have to cover :shock: it's hard to maintain a work and family life whilst clocking those hours every week.

Re: The Running Thread

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 4:11 pm
by HKCJ
danny_fitz wrote:
HKCJ wrote:
le chat wrote:I used to be a 2:44 marathoner but have put weight on in recent years and I am just getting back into running regularly. Currently just doing 3-5 miles, averaging below 9 minute miles at the moment so happy with that progress at 103kg.

Hoping to run a marathon later in the year looking at Marine corps (expensive) or Valencia (cheap). I would never do a marathon in England except London as I like a lot of crowd support which they don't tend to get here.

Currently running in Hoka Clifton's which are ready to be changed. Recently tried some Altras in a running store which were nice so also looking at this brand. It was a professional development session for podiatrists when I tried these and found that there is little alteration in my running gait depending on what shoe I wore. I don't think it is too far off of the mark to run in a shoe which you find comfortable, lots of the guys in running shoes talk absolute shite.

Also bought some Hoka sliders last week which are comfy but I am doubtful that they're particularly beneficial for recovery as advertised
Can recommend the Marine Corps Marathon. Really nice route, decent support, well organised.. the only bitch is the last 100m which is very uphill. You do have a bunch of marines screaming at you though which is good for the motivation. Some pretty impressive times by amputees too.
Have you got anything lined up?

I did the Hampton Court Half last year, I like to think I have another marathon in the tank but rowing is just getting in the way now. Would love to do London but I simply cant be arsed to take a charity place.
I’ve got the Edinburgh marathon in May. I’ve been ridiculously stupid in that I didn’t run any races last year when I got pretty fit and was doing 1hr35 half’s in training and was seriously contemplating training to go for a sub 3 (don’t think I would have got there but I should’ve given it a shot). Then I got married, had a big Christmas and couldn’t be arsed running in the cold. 6 months later I’m 10 kg heavier again and my first run back yesterday I barely broke 1hr30 for 15k. Pretty annoyed with myself but I’ll get there again.

My missus got a ballot place for London.. first time she has entered :x

Re: The Running Thread

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 4:16 pm
by HKCJ
BokJock wrote:
assfly wrote:Starting a 19 week training schedule today for a marathon in June.

Running without a race booked in the near future is difficult. I lose motivation so quickly.
Same here. Into week 6 of my program for Edinburgh. got a couple of 10km and probably a 1/2 to do along the way.

(Had to stop 30km into the Loch Ness Marathon due to old rugby hip injury, so this is the last chance to do a marathon before I am 40)
Am also doing Edinburgh.. week 6 already?! Fk I’ve got some catching up to do! Where do you run BJ? The old cycle paths around Water of Leith are brilliant for training I find as is the Union Canal.. lots of Strava times on them to keep you motivated.

Re: The Running Thread

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:15 pm
by sorCrer
Do your courses have much elevation? Just ran an 8km with 134m gain mostly in the first 2km's

Re: The Running Thread

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:20 pm
by Mog The Almighty
Duff Paddy wrote:
Mog The Almighty wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
Mog The Almighty wrote:Why do I struggle to get my heart rate up into a decent zone on an elliptical machine, but struggle to keep it down into a decent zone on a road run?

I'm seem to sweat and huff and puff just as much doing either one.
It’s actually hard to run slow
Erm what? Please explain because my experience is the exact opposite.
Most people have a natural jogging pace that puts their heart rate quite high. Your “conversational” running pace where you can hold a full conversation whilst running is very slow so if you’re running on your own you’re usually way faster than that.
Now I'm just more confused.

Re: The Running Thread

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:40 pm
by HKCJ
sorCrer wrote:Do your courses have much elevation? Just ran an 8km with 134m gain mostly in the first 2km's
My usual 10k course has 150m of elevation but it’s fairly gradual. There’s plenty of decent hills about in Edinburgh if you want to find them. The park run I do though is flat as a pancake. I think the Edinburgh marathon can’t count for nations records etc as is pretty downhill as it starts at the castle and goes down to the cost then flat all the way to the finish.

Re: The Running Thread

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:47 pm
by sorCrer
HKCJ wrote:
sorCrer wrote:Do your courses have much elevation? Just ran an 8km with 134m gain mostly in the first 2km's
My usual 10k course has 150m of elevation but it’s fairly gradual. There’s plenty of decent hills about in Edinburgh if you want to find them. The park run I do though is flat as a pancake. I think the Edinburgh marathon can’t count for nations records etc as is pretty downhill as it starts at the castle and goes down to the cost then flat all the way to the finish.
Comrades up has around 2000m over the 89km's and roughly 1000m on the down. You do need to factor in hill training for it.

Re: The Running Thread

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:36 pm
by Duff Paddy
So long as you’re not one of those people who try to run up Arthur’s Seat at noon on a Sunday when it’s peak time for tourists

Re: The Running Thread

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:42 pm
by sorCrer
Duff Paddy wrote:So long as you’re not one of those people who try to run up Arthur’s Seat at noon on a Sunday when it’s peak time for tourists
Had me confused for a second. :lol:

There is an Arthur's Seat just past 1/2 way at Comrades. Legend has it if you drop a flower there and doff your cap, you'll have a good second half.
It is literally a “hole” that has been cut out of the bank and is reputed to be a favourite “resting spot” for Arthur Newton, a 5 times winner of the Comrades.

Re: The Running Thread

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:52 pm
by handyman
HKCJ wrote:
sorCrer wrote:Do your courses have much elevation? Just ran an 8km with 134m gain mostly in the first 2km's
My usual 10k course has 150m of elevation but it’s fairly gradual. There’s plenty of decent hills about in Edinburgh if you want to find them. The park run I do though is flat as a pancake. I think the Edinburgh marathon can’t count for nations records etc as is pretty downhill as it starts at the castle and goes down to the cost then flat all the way to the finish.
HKCJ, were you the poster with a back/neck operation? No problem with running after that?

Re: The Running Thread

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:00 pm
by HKCJ
Duff Paddy wrote:So long as you’re not one of those people who try to run up Arthur’s Seat at noon on a Sunday when it’s peak time for tourists
Fkin tourists have ruined Arthur’s seat :x I do sometimes run up there but I use the routes the tourists don’t know about. The ring road is a great 5k loop for training either running or cycling.


Handyman - yeah good memory! I had that neck op 11 years ago and ran a marathon 6 months after. It barely affected my running at all. Breaking my pelvis on the other hand... that was a 2-3 year recovery.

Re: The Running Thread

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:01 pm
by handyman
HKCJ wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:So long as you’re not one of those people who try to run up Arthur’s Seat at noon on a Sunday when it’s peak time for tourists
Fkin tourists have ruined Arthur’s seat :x I do sometimes run up there but I use the routes the tourists don’t know about. The ring road is a great 5k loop for training either running or cycling.


Handyman - yeah good memory! I had that neck op 11 years ago and ran a marathon 6 months after. It barely affected my running at all. Breaking my pelvis on the other hand... that was a 2-3 year recovery.
Good to know. Will be having a neck operation to relieve a pinched nerve. Doc says should be fine to run after recovery.

Re: The Running Thread

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:49 pm
by trieste1
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