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kiap wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:15 pm
towny wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:07 pm
Mog The Almighty wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:04 pm
towny wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 5:40 pm Isn’t it weird that those that supported the bigotry of Folau - demanding that it was his freedom or speech - are now condemning the ‘knee’, because it’s...... reasons that were very different than they used for Folau.

I can’t put my finger on what it is about these people that makes them champions of liberty one minute and strict conformists the next.

What could it be? 🤔
Wouldn't free speech involve letting them kneel or not kneel?

My opinion is that I would kneel, even though I think it's kind of stupid. American police behaving badly towards African Americans who were slaves not that very long ago is horrific stuff, but it's got absolutely nothing to do with me.

Colin Kaperneck (or whoever) taking a knee to make a statement is fine and I applaud him, but we shouldn't suddly be pressuring every sports person on television to kneel "or you're a racist!". F-ck off. Stop judging people, got and do something about it for f-cks sake.

So I do get all of that. But also, it takes 10 seconds and I don't think I'd be f-cked making a big hoo-har out of it. I can't help but think those who "refuse" are taking themselves a bit too seriously. "I kneel to no man!". Yeah okay Sir Gallahad, whatever. Just kneel down even if it is kind of dumb, but it might make someone else feel better. It's over with in 10 seconds then let's get down to the real business of rugby.
You start by saying you would kneel and then spend the rest of your post detailing why others shouldn’t.
In fairness, his last para is telling non-believers to just shut up and kneel.
Thankyou.

As for the first part ... I recognize the plight of Aboriginal people more than perhaps most others. My family has a history that I'm very proud of supporting Aboriginal rights, way back to the 30s and 40s. I have newspaper clippings detailing my grandfather's work and political activism to support Aboriginal rights (he was a country doctor, like my Dad).

The thing is, and this is summary of my first post I guess, SJWer's getting all angry and shouty if sports stars don't kneel down for a bit is doing sweet f-ck all really. But, yeah, if it makes someone happy (I suspect it makes more white, privilidged SJW types happy than it makes happy Australian Aboriginals who need real support and real help, but whatever), then it only takes 10 seconds, so put your huge ego in your back pocket and kneel down for 10 seconds.
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Mog seems to see himself as more capable than others at many things - empathy for Australia’s Indigenous people is just another in a long line. I usually dismiss the opinions of people that use the terms: SJW, woke, globalists and leftists.

This is one of those occasions.
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It would be really interesting to know what the tiny cohort of indigenous elite rugby players think about this. Have they been consulted?
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wamberal wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:06 pm It would be really interesting to know what the tiny cohort of indigenous elite rugby players think about this. Have they been consulted?
It's not that tiny. 17 current pro players by my count.
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Zakar wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:10 pm
wamberal wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:06 pm It would be really interesting to know what the tiny cohort of indigenous elite rugby players think about this. Have they been consulted?
It's not that tiny. 17 current pro players by my count.
It's tiny compared to the NRL or AFL. Be that as it may, the point stands. Were they consulted? Perhaps even more to the point, was any sort of consultation conducted? It would seem to me worthwhile to know what club rugby players of indigenous descent think about this, as well. Anything we do in terms of indigenous recognition should be done in humility. We have very little to celebrate, and a great deal to be either ashamed or sad about.

The history of our code when it comes to questions of race is pretty poor. It is only 50 years ago or so that we were willing to condone apartheid.
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wamberal wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:26 pm
Zakar wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:10 pm
wamberal wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:06 pm It would be really interesting to know what the tiny cohort of indigenous elite rugby players think about this. Have they been consulted?
It's not that tiny. 17 current pro players by my count.
It's tiny compared to the NRL or AFL. Be that as it may, the point stands. Were they consulted? Perhaps even more to the point, was any sort of consultation conducted? It would seem to me worthwhile to know what club rugby players of indigenous descent think about this, as well. Anything we do in terms of indigenous recognition should be done in humility. We have very little to celebrate, and a great deal to be either ashamed or sad about.

The history of our code when it comes to questions of race is pretty poor. It is only 50 years ago or so that we were willing to condone apartheid.
It's less than nrl and AFL but broadly in line with population metrics.

I don't know if they were consulted this time about the jersey. They have been in the past

I know Andy Muirhead was heavily involved in the Brumbies indigenous jersey process this year.
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wamberal wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:26 pm
Zakar wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:10 pm
wamberal wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:06 pm It would be really interesting to know what the tiny cohort of indigenous elite rugby players think about this. Have they been consulted?
It's not that tiny. 17 current pro players by my count.
It's tiny compared to the NRL or AFL. Be that as it may, the point stands. Were they consulted? Perhaps even more to the point, was any sort of consultation conducted? It would seem to me worthwhile to know what club rugby players of indigenous descent think about this, as well. Anything we do in terms of indigenous recognition should be done in humility. We have very little to celebrate, and a great deal to be either ashamed or sad about.

The history of our code when it comes to questions of race is pretty poor. It is only 50 years ago or so that we were willing to condone apartheid.
50 years ago homosexuality was illegal, we had the White Australia policy and Indigenous people weren’t allowed to vote.

It was another time when our society had different moral values.
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Zakar wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:29 am
wamberal wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:26 pm
Zakar wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:10 pm
wamberal wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:06 pm It would be really interesting to know what the tiny cohort of indigenous elite rugby players think about this. Have they been consulted?
It's not that tiny. 17 current pro players by my count.
It's tiny compared to the NRL or AFL. Be that as it may, the point stands. Were they consulted? Perhaps even more to the point, was any sort of consultation conducted? It would seem to me worthwhile to know what club rugby players of indigenous descent think about this, as well. Anything we do in terms of indigenous recognition should be done in humility. We have very little to celebrate, and a great deal to be either ashamed or sad about.

The history of our code when it comes to questions of race is pretty poor. It is only 50 years ago or so that we were willing to condone apartheid.
It's less than nrl and AFL but broadly in line with population metrics.

I don't know if they were consulted this time about the jersey. They have been in the past

I know Andy Muirhead was heavily involved in the Brumbies indigenous jersey process this year.
Rugby isn’t the ‘working class’ sport in Australia. Its elite players come out of a few schools that cost a bomb. Clubs like Randwick no longer are walking distance from working class suburbs.

Rugby needs to get out of its bubble. If only to access the talent ffs.
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towny wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:33 am
Zakar wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:29 am
wamberal wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:26 pm
Zakar wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:10 pm
wamberal wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:06 pm It would be really interesting to know what the tiny cohort of indigenous elite rugby players think about this. Have they been consulted?
It's not that tiny. 17 current pro players by my count.
It's tiny compared to the NRL or AFL. Be that as it may, the point stands. Were they consulted? Perhaps even more to the point, was any sort of consultation conducted? It would seem to me worthwhile to know what club rugby players of indigenous descent think about this, as well. Anything we do in terms of indigenous recognition should be done in humility. We have very little to celebrate, and a great deal to be either ashamed or sad about.

The history of our code when it comes to questions of race is pretty poor. It is only 50 years ago or so that we were willing to condone apartheid.
It's less than nrl and AFL but broadly in line with population metrics.

I don't know if they were consulted this time about the jersey. They have been in the past

I know Andy Muirhead was heavily involved in the Brumbies indigenous jersey process this year.
Rugby isn’t the ‘working class’ sport in Australia. Its elite players come out of a few schools that cost a bomb. Clubs like Randwick no longer are walking distance from working class suburbs.

Rugby needs to get out of its bubble. If only to access the talent ffs.
Yeah but nah but yeah.

Does it exist in working class areas? Absolutely. Not to the same level as RL/AFL but yes, there are plenty of working class clubs.

Do we properly promote the game and utilise the talent in those areas? No, not at all. I woukd say were getting a bit better (the most recent u20s and u18s teams weren't all Tarquin d'Curmednsleys, and low and behold those teams were much more sucessful).
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I'm not sure which perspective Farr-Jones was taking but for a typically astute individual he came across like ignorant cock.

Anyway - not happening. But i do like the ground swell on Indigenous reflection & recognition and Rennie's got a strong personal history and experience here. Nice pop at the Safa's as well - for being cnuts.
Why the Wallabies won't drop a knee before Bledisloe clash
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October 23, 2020 — 1.48pm

The Wallabies will not drop a knee in support of the Black Lives Matter movement in their next Test against the All Blacks because they don’t want to “make a political statement” and would rather honour Indigenous Australians when they wear a First Nations jersey at ANZ Stadium on October 31.

However, the playing group has agreed it would like to see Australia’s First Nations people represented on every Wallabies jersey, not just on special occasions.

Wallabies coach Dave Rennie revealed the playing group had made a unanimous decision they won’t drop a knee during the national anthem in support of the Black Lives Matter movement, which spread across world sport following the death of George Floyd, a black man, while in police custody in the US.

The discussion only came about because Wallabies back Dane Haylett-Petty said the group would consider doing so after being asked by a reporter on Wednesday whether it was something that could occur.

On Thursday, former Wallabies captain Nick Farr-Jones warned the national side that it wasn’t a good idea to do so because they risked alienating supporters and was too controversial a move.

“No, we won’t [be taking a knee] ,” Rennie said on Friday. “Our focus is around our First Nations people and the Indigenous jersey. We’re not looking to make a political statement.

“The key thing is that this is about honouring our Indigenous people and we want the focus to be on that. I guess everyone has got their own opinions around the other situation but we want the focus to be around reflecting on our history and our past.

“We met with the leaders and the leaders met with the team. It’s an unanimous decision.”

Rennie then said there was a push for more regular recognition in every gold jersey.

“We’ve certainly talked about the Indigenous jersey and as a group we’d like to see that represented every week in our Test jersey, not just as a one-off,” Rennie said. “I think this is the first step in regard to embracing that part of our history.

“What we’re trying to highlight is First Nations is part of our DNA. It needs to be reflected in what we do every day, not just one or two times a year. We think having that reflected on our Test jersey every week is really important.”

Rugby Australia released a statement shortly after Rennie's teleconference, with interim chief executive Rob Clarke saying the organisation condemned racism in the wake of Farr Jones' controversial comments.

"Rugby Australia and the Wallabies condemn any form of racism or discrimination and also acknowledge that we are still on the path to reconciliation," Clarke said. "I'm really pleased the players and management have come together to speak about this, as they would with other important social issues. It was measured, appropriate and mature and I congratulate the team as they explore more opportunities to recognise issues facing First Nations people and all Australians."

It is the fourth time Australia will wear a First Nations jersey, having done so against New Zealand in 2017 in Brisbane, against England at Twickenham in 2018, as well as at the World Cup against Uruguay.

“I love it,” Rennie said. “I know the players love it and I’ll wear it with pride next week.

“I coached the Chiefs for six years where there is a really strong multi-flavour to that jersey and reflected the history of our region.”

As for a potential jersey clash with New Zealand, given the First Nations jersey is a little darker in colour than the traditional Wallaby gold, Rennie didn’t think there would be a issue.

“I don’t think it will clash unless [referee] Ben O'Keeffe is colour-blind,” Rennie said. “There’s certainly enough white and I don’t think it’s an issue. It might have been an issue if we were playing South Africa.”

The Wallabies are back in camp in the Hunter Valley and will continue training there throughout the early stages of next week before Saturday’s third Bledisloe Test in Sydney.

Australia drew with New Zealand 16-16 in Wellington before falling 27-7 to the Kiwis at Eden Park.

Rennie’s men will need to win both Tests against New Zealand on home soil to regain the Bledisloe Cup for the first time since 2002.

“I think the first Test showed there is a lot of character in this group,” Rennie said. “I reckon we’ve got a massive upside and we’re going to get better over time and that’s why we’re very excited about having a lot of Tests in quick succession.”
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kiwigreg369 wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:47 am I'm not sure which perspective Farr-Jones was taking but for a typically astute individual he came across like ignorant cock.

Anyway - not happening. But i do like the ground swell on Indigenous reflection & recognition and Rennie's got a strong personal history and experience here. Nice pop at the Safa's as well - for being cnuts.
Why the Wallabies won't drop a knee before Bledisloe clash
Tom Decent
October 23, 2020 — 1.48pm

The Wallabies will not drop a knee in support of the Black Lives Matter movement in their next Test against the All Blacks because they don’t want to “make a political statement” and would rather honour Indigenous Australians when they wear a First Nations jersey at ANZ Stadium on October 31.

However, the playing group has agreed it would like to see Australia’s First Nations people represented on every Wallabies jersey, not just on special occasions.

Wallabies coach Dave Rennie revealed the playing group had made a unanimous decision they won’t drop a knee during the national anthem in support of the Black Lives Matter movement, which spread across world sport following the death of George Floyd, a black man, while in police custody in the US.

The discussion only came about because Wallabies back Dane Haylett-Petty said the group would consider doing so after being asked by a reporter on Wednesday whether it was something that could occur.

On Thursday, former Wallabies captain Nick Farr-Jones warned the national side that it wasn’t a good idea to do so because they risked alienating supporters and was too controversial a move.

“No, we won’t [be taking a knee] ,” Rennie said on Friday. “Our focus is around our First Nations people and the Indigenous jersey. We’re not looking to make a political statement.

“The key thing is that this is about honouring our Indigenous people and we want the focus to be on that. I guess everyone has got their own opinions around the other situation but we want the focus to be around reflecting on our history and our past.

“We met with the leaders and the leaders met with the team. It’s an unanimous decision.”

Rennie then said there was a push for more regular recognition in every gold jersey.

“We’ve certainly talked about the Indigenous jersey and as a group we’d like to see that represented every week in our Test jersey, not just as a one-off,” Rennie said. “I think this is the first step in regard to embracing that part of our history.

“What we’re trying to highlight is First Nations is part of our DNA. It needs to be reflected in what we do every day, not just one or two times a year. We think having that reflected on our Test jersey every week is really important.”

Rugby Australia released a statement shortly after Rennie's teleconference, with interim chief executive Rob Clarke saying the organisation condemned racism in the wake of Farr Jones' controversial comments.

"Rugby Australia and the Wallabies condemn any form of racism or discrimination and also acknowledge that we are still on the path to reconciliation," Clarke said. "I'm really pleased the players and management have come together to speak about this, as they would with other important social issues. It was measured, appropriate and mature and I congratulate the team as they explore more opportunities to recognise issues facing First Nations people and all Australians."

It is the fourth time Australia will wear a First Nations jersey, having done so against New Zealand in 2017 in Brisbane, against England at Twickenham in 2018, as well as at the World Cup against Uruguay.

“I love it,” Rennie said. “I know the players love it and I’ll wear it with pride next week.

“I coached the Chiefs for six years where there is a really strong multi-flavour to that jersey and reflected the history of our region.”

As for a potential jersey clash with New Zealand, given the First Nations jersey is a little darker in colour than the traditional Wallaby gold, Rennie didn’t think there would be a issue.

“I don’t think it will clash unless [referee] Ben O'Keeffe is colour-blind,” Rennie said. “There’s certainly enough white and I don’t think it’s an issue. It might have been an issue if we were playing South Africa.”

The Wallabies are back in camp in the Hunter Valley and will continue training there throughout the early stages of next week before Saturday’s third Bledisloe Test in Sydney.

Australia drew with New Zealand 16-16 in Wellington before falling 27-7 to the Kiwis at Eden Park.

Rennie’s men will need to win both Tests against New Zealand on home soil to regain the Bledisloe Cup for the first time since 2002.

“I think the first Test showed there is a lot of character in this group,” Rennie said. “I reckon we’ve got a massive upside and we’re going to get better over time and that’s why we’re very excited about having a lot of Tests in quick succession.”
He's not astute at all, he's a happy clapping nob. I've never seen an interview with him where I haven't wanted to punch his stupid face. f**king scrumhalves, pack of plum to a man.
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Zakar wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:35 am
kiwigreg369 wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:47 am I'm not sure which perspective Farr-Jones was taking but for a typically astute individual he came across like ignorant cock.

Anyway - not happening. But i do like the ground swell on Indigenous reflection & recognition and Rennie's got a strong personal history and experience here. Nice pop at the Safa's as well - for being cnuts.
Why the Wallabies won't drop a knee before Bledisloe clash
Tom Decent
October 23, 2020 — 1.48pm

The Wallabies will not drop a knee in support of the Black Lives Matter movement in their next Test against the All Blacks because they don’t want to “make a political statement” and would rather honour Indigenous Australians when they wear a First Nations jersey at ANZ Stadium on October 31.

However, the playing group has agreed it would like to see Australia’s First Nations people represented on every Wallabies jersey, not just on special occasions.

Wallabies coach Dave Rennie revealed the playing group had made a unanimous decision they won’t drop a knee during the national anthem in support of the Black Lives Matter movement, which spread across world sport following the death of George Floyd, a black man, while in police custody in the US.

The discussion only came about because Wallabies back Dane Haylett-Petty said the group would consider doing so after being asked by a reporter on Wednesday whether it was something that could occur.

On Thursday, former Wallabies captain Nick Farr-Jones warned the national side that it wasn’t a good idea to do so because they risked alienating supporters and was too controversial a move.

“No, we won’t [be taking a knee] ,” Rennie said on Friday. “Our focus is around our First Nations people and the Indigenous jersey. We’re not looking to make a political statement.

“The key thing is that this is about honouring our Indigenous people and we want the focus to be on that. I guess everyone has got their own opinions around the other situation but we want the focus to be around reflecting on our history and our past.

“We met with the leaders and the leaders met with the team. It’s an unanimous decision.”

Rennie then said there was a push for more regular recognition in every gold jersey.

“We’ve certainly talked about the Indigenous jersey and as a group we’d like to see that represented every week in our Test jersey, not just as a one-off,” Rennie said. “I think this is the first step in regard to embracing that part of our history.

“What we’re trying to highlight is First Nations is part of our DNA. It needs to be reflected in what we do every day, not just one or two times a year. We think having that reflected on our Test jersey every week is really important.”

Rugby Australia released a statement shortly after Rennie's teleconference, with interim chief executive Rob Clarke saying the organisation condemned racism in the wake of Farr Jones' controversial comments.

"Rugby Australia and the Wallabies condemn any form of racism or discrimination and also acknowledge that we are still on the path to reconciliation," Clarke said. "I'm really pleased the players and management have come together to speak about this, as they would with other important social issues. It was measured, appropriate and mature and I congratulate the team as they explore more opportunities to recognise issues facing First Nations people and all Australians."

It is the fourth time Australia will wear a First Nations jersey, having done so against New Zealand in 2017 in Brisbane, against England at Twickenham in 2018, as well as at the World Cup against Uruguay.

“I love it,” Rennie said. “I know the players love it and I’ll wear it with pride next week.

“I coached the Chiefs for six years where there is a really strong multi-flavour to that jersey and reflected the history of our region.”

As for a potential jersey clash with New Zealand, given the First Nations jersey is a little darker in colour than the traditional Wallaby gold, Rennie didn’t think there would be a issue.

“I don’t think it will clash unless [referee] Ben O'Keeffe is colour-blind,” Rennie said. “There’s certainly enough white and I don’t think it’s an issue. It might have been an issue if we were playing South Africa.”

The Wallabies are back in camp in the Hunter Valley and will continue training there throughout the early stages of next week before Saturday’s third Bledisloe Test in Sydney.

Australia drew with New Zealand 16-16 in Wellington before falling 27-7 to the Kiwis at Eden Park.

Rennie’s men will need to win both Tests against New Zealand on home soil to regain the Bledisloe Cup for the first time since 2002.

“I think the first Test showed there is a lot of character in this group,” Rennie said. “I reckon we’ve got a massive upside and we’re going to get better over time and that’s why we’re very excited about having a lot of Tests in quick succession.”
He's not astute at all, he's a happy clapping nob. I've never seen an interview with him where I haven't wanted to punch his stupid face. f**king scrumhalves, pack of plum to a man.
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He’s a f**king nob with his head firmly buried in the sand along with his other self anointed elitist Oz rugby lords. I played rugby with his siblings as a youngster and they were good blokes. I seem to remember him being one back then as well.
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kiwigreg369 wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:47 am I'm not sure which perspective Farr-Jones was taking but for a typically astute individual he came across like ignorant cock.

Anyway - not happening. But i do like the ground swell on Indigenous reflection & recognition and Rennie's got a strong personal history and experience here. Nice pop at the Safa's as well - for being cnuts.
Why the Wallabies won't drop a knee before Bledisloe clash
Tom Decent
October 23, 2020 — 1.48pm

The Wallabies will not drop a knee in support of the Black Lives Matter movement in their next Test against the All Blacks because they don’t want to “make a political statement” and would rather honour Indigenous Australians when they wear a First Nations jersey at ANZ Stadium on October 31.

However, the playing group has agreed it would like to see Australia’s First Nations people represented on every Wallabies jersey, not just on special occasions.

Wallabies coach Dave Rennie revealed the playing group had made a unanimous decision they won’t drop a knee during the national anthem in support of the Black Lives Matter movement, which spread across world sport following the death of George Floyd, a black man, while in police custody in the US.

The discussion only came about because Wallabies back Dane Haylett-Petty said the group would consider doing so after being asked by a reporter on Wednesday whether it was something that could occur.

On Thursday, former Wallabies captain Nick Farr-Jones warned the national side that it wasn’t a good idea to do so because they risked alienating supporters and was too controversial a move.

“No, we won’t [be taking a knee] ,” Rennie said on Friday. “Our focus is around our First Nations people and the Indigenous jersey. We’re not looking to make a political statement.

“The key thing is that this is about honouring our Indigenous people and we want the focus to be on that. I guess everyone has got their own opinions around the other situation but we want the focus to be around reflecting on our history and our past.

“We met with the leaders and the leaders met with the team. It’s an unanimous decision.”

Rennie then said there was a push for more regular recognition in every gold jersey.

“We’ve certainly talked about the Indigenous jersey and as a group we’d like to see that represented every week in our Test jersey, not just as a one-off,” Rennie said. “I think this is the first step in regard to embracing that part of our history.

“What we’re trying to highlight is First Nations is part of our DNA. It needs to be reflected in what we do every day, not just one or two times a year. We think having that reflected on our Test jersey every week is really important.”

Rugby Australia released a statement shortly after Rennie's teleconference, with interim chief executive Rob Clarke saying the organisation condemned racism in the wake of Farr Jones' controversial comments.

"Rugby Australia and the Wallabies condemn any form of racism or discrimination and also acknowledge that we are still on the path to reconciliation," Clarke said. "I'm really pleased the players and management have come together to speak about this, as they would with other important social issues. It was measured, appropriate and mature and I congratulate the team as they explore more opportunities to recognise issues facing First Nations people and all Australians."

It is the fourth time Australia will wear a First Nations jersey, having done so against New Zealand in 2017 in Brisbane, against England at Twickenham in 2018, as well as at the World Cup against Uruguay.

“I love it,” Rennie said. “I know the players love it and I’ll wear it with pride next week.

“I coached the Chiefs for six years where there is a really strong multi-flavour to that jersey and reflected the history of our region.”

As for a potential jersey clash with New Zealand, given the First Nations jersey is a little darker in colour than the traditional Wallaby gold, Rennie didn’t think there would be a issue.

“I don’t think it will clash unless [referee] Ben O'Keeffe is colour-blind,” Rennie said. “There’s certainly enough white and I don’t think it’s an issue. It might have been an issue if we were playing South Africa.”

The Wallabies are back in camp in the Hunter Valley and will continue training there throughout the early stages of next week before Saturday’s third Bledisloe Test in Sydney.

Australia drew with New Zealand 16-16 in Wellington before falling 27-7 to the Kiwis at Eden Park.

Rennie’s men will need to win both Tests against New Zealand on home soil to regain the Bledisloe Cup for the first time since 2002.

“I think the first Test showed there is a lot of character in this group,” Rennie said. “I reckon we’ve got a massive upside and we’re going to get better over time and that’s why we’re very excited about having a lot of Tests in quick succession.”
Seems completely reasonable to me.

I don't think the George Floyd murder should be used to enable "do this inane thing or your a racist!" justice warriorers.

The Wallabies are wearing their Indigenous jerseys, they have voiced an opinion that they want Indigenous Australia represented on every Wallaby jersey and they're half polynesian with a half kiwi coach.

They're obviously not racists. So let's not play bullshit call-out games here.

If you want to take a knee, fine, whatever. If you don't, fine. Whatever, just don't be a racist dick, and they're not.
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It's reasonable for the Wallabies to vote, as a team, not to take a knee. Of course.

It's not reasonable for Alan Jones' butty boy Nick Farr Jackass to declare that Australia is free of all race problems, and the all lives matter, the buck eyed moron.
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Zakar wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:47 am
towny wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:33 am
Zakar wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:29 am
wamberal wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:26 pm
Zakar wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:10 pm

It's not that tiny. 17 current pro players by my count.
It's tiny compared to the NRL or AFL. Be that as it may, the point stands. Were they consulted? Perhaps even more to the point, was any sort of consultation conducted? It would seem to me worthwhile to know what club rugby players of indigenous descent think about this, as well. Anything we do in terms of indigenous recognition should be done in humility. We have very little to celebrate, and a great deal to be either ashamed or sad about.

The history of our code when it comes to questions of race is pretty poor. It is only 50 years ago or so that we were willing to condone apartheid.
It's less than nrl and AFL but broadly in line with population metrics.

I don't know if they were consulted this time about the jersey. They have been in the past

I know Andy Muirhead was heavily involved in the Brumbies indigenous jersey process this year.
Rugby isn’t the ‘working class’ sport in Australia. Its elite players come out of a few schools that cost a bomb. Clubs like Randwick no longer are walking distance from working class suburbs.

Rugby needs to get out of its bubble. If only to access the talent ffs.
Yeah but nah but yeah.

Does it exist in working class areas? Absolutely. Not to the same level as RL/AFL but yes, there are plenty of working class clubs.

Do we properly promote the game and utilise the talent in those areas? No, not at all. I woukd say were getting a bit better (the most recent u20s and u18s teams weren't all Tarquin d'Curmednsleys, and low and behold those teams were much more sucessful).
Its an often a misconstrued fact that only that the rich elite play rugby. Its played extensively in non high earning suburbs in cities and rural areas throughout the coutry. Its a constant attack against our sport that should be more easily repelled by basic facts.
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Just a really stupid thing to say.

“We have never really had a race inequality problem in this country”

Another

‘It’s too risky”

For who?
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Olo wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:24 am Just a really stupid thing to say.

“We have never really had a race inequality problem in this country”

Another

‘It’s too risky”

For who?
NSJ=Happy clappy religion/shrinkage of rugby to inner Sydney elites only.
He was the worst NSW CEO and should STFU
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https://m.betootaadvocate.com/uncategor ... al-people/
A privately-educated banker who’s played a lot of rugby union is surprisingly not up to speed with the myriad of social and economic disadvantages faced by Aboriginal Australians.

Rugby World Cup-winning Wallaby captain Nick Farr-Jones said earlier this week that the national rugby union team should not take a knee in support of the Black Lives Matter protests sweeping the globe as it might ‘alienate’ audiences.

“Just don’t do it,” he told 2GB yesterday.

“It’s too devisive and it’ll put people off the sport at a time when we need to be more open and inclusive. By supporting black people, sorry, I mean coloured people, by taking a knee, I think it’ll upset the audiences and might get them to switch off,”

“I think it’s better if we just continue to ignore what’s going on and maintain the status quo here in Australia of pretending that nothing’s wrong and coloured people get the same start in life as people like yours truly.”

The halfback’s comments attracted widespread condemnation, including that of Gary Ella, who said Farr-Jones has “made a plum of himself, again.”

Mr Ella was unavailable to provide comment to The Advocate this morning.

Our reporter did speak to interim Rugby Australia CEO Rob Clarke, who said he’s staying out of it.

“Look mate, the players can do whatever the hell they want,” he said.

“I’m not their Dad. I can’t tell them what to do. My opinion is fucken go for it if you want. If you don’t want to knee, good for you. If you want to, go right ahead. How fucken hard is it?”

“Yeah but looking at old Mr Magoo-Farr-Jones, are you surprised an old Caringbah boy with two fancy surnames and a job on Bligh Street investing millions of dollars has no idea what it’s like to be Aboriginal?”

“Honest to Christ.”

The Advocate reached out to Mr Farr-Jones for comment but were told by his receptionist that he doesn’t take calls or eat meat on Fridays.

More to come.
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Zakar wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:47 am
towny wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:33 am
Zakar wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:29 am
wamberal wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:26 pm
Zakar wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:10 pm

It's not that tiny. 17 current pro players by my count.
It's tiny compared to the NRL or AFL. Be that as it may, the point stands. Were they consulted? Perhaps even more to the point, was any sort of consultation conducted? It would seem to me worthwhile to know what club rugby players of indigenous descent think about this, as well. Anything we do in terms of indigenous recognition should be done in humility. We have very little to celebrate, and a great deal to be either ashamed or sad about.

The history of our code when it comes to questions of race is pretty poor. It is only 50 years ago or so that we were willing to condone apartheid.
It's less than nrl and AFL but broadly in line with population metrics.

I don't know if they were consulted this time about the jersey. They have been in the past

I know Andy Muirhead was heavily involved in the Brumbies indigenous jersey process this year.
Rugby isn’t the ‘working class’ sport in Australia. Its elite players come out of a few schools that cost a bomb. Clubs like Randwick no longer are walking distance from working class suburbs.

Rugby needs to get out of its bubble. If only to access the talent ffs.
Yeah but nah but yeah.

Does it exist in working class areas? Absolutely. Not to the same level as RL/AFL but yes, there are plenty of working class clubs.

Do we properly promote the game and utilise the talent in those areas? No, not at all. I woukd say were getting a bit better (the most recent u20s and u18s teams weren't all Tarquin d'Curmednsleys, and low and behold those teams were much more sucessful).
You’re right.
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Great leadership by Rennie, rejecting what would have been a cheap jumping on the bandwagon of the showbiz antics that have been adopted in the US. As he has acknowledged, what the ATSI community needs is respect and support, and more people within their own group working to reduce the rampant figures of alcoholism and violence which plague family life - almost every young person who resorts to crime comes from a family with no father, alcoholism, or both, according to the statistics.
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towny wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:31 pm
Zakar wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:47 am
towny wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:33 am
Zakar wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:29 am
wamberal wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:26 pm

It's tiny compared to the NRL or AFL. Be that as it may, the point stands. Were they consulted? Perhaps even more to the point, was any sort of consultation conducted? It would seem to me worthwhile to know what club rugby players of indigenous descent think about this, as well. Anything we do in terms of indigenous recognition should be done in humility. We have very little to celebrate, and a great deal to be either ashamed or sad about.

The history of our code when it comes to questions of race is pretty poor. It is only 50 years ago or so that we were willing to condone apartheid.
It's less than nrl and AFL but broadly in line with population metrics.

I don't know if they were consulted this time about the jersey. They have been in the past

I know Andy Muirhead was heavily involved in the Brumbies indigenous jersey process this year.
Rugby isn’t the ‘working class’ sport in Australia. Its elite players come out of a few schools that cost a bomb. Clubs like Randwick no longer are walking distance from working class suburbs.

Rugby needs to get out of its bubble. If only to access the talent ffs.
Yeah but nah but yeah.

Does it exist in working class areas? Absolutely. Not to the same level as RL/AFL but yes, there are plenty of working class clubs.

Do we properly promote the game and utilise the talent in those areas? No, not at all. I woukd say were getting a bit better (the most recent u20s and u18s teams weren't all Tarquin d'Curmednsleys, and low and behold those teams were much more sucessful).
You’re right.
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Any thoughts on the recent article about Wallaibes being soft? I think there's an element of truth in there. We've lacked the physical edge at the breakdown, defence and general play for a while now. Teams like England know this and have targeted us in these areas with huge physical displays which we couldn't counter and often resulted in losses. Chika talked about physicality but he could never achieve that. We need the forwards to muscle up against tough opposition. I hope Rennie and assistants are working on this.
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I think that our forwards have been very physical in the last two tests. The key is doing that and being accurate in what you do. Matt Philip and LSL have both been fantastic, better than the NZ locks IMHO.
We have a young and largely inexperienced side, particularly in the pack. It will come.
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Olo wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:24 am Just a really stupid thing to say.

“We have never really had a race inequality problem in this country”

Another

‘It’s too risky”

For who?
Wait. That was the Betoota Advertiser. He never really said those things.
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I think it was NFJ, talking with Ben Fordham on 2GB.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-unio ... 567gt.html

It shows him, at least, as out of touch and tone deaf. Was there any resiling from those comments? Dunno, but it might be a good start...
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Jones, you seem to have your head firmly stuck in the sand next to NFJs and those of the other dinosaurs who are trying desperately to retain their grip on Oz rugby.
It will change soon and rugby in Australia will be better for it.
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kiap wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:50 pm I think it was NFJ, talking with Ben Fordham on 2GB.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-unio ... 567gt.html

It shows him, at least, as out of touch and tone deaf. Was there any resiling from those comments? Dunno, but it might be a good start...
NFI seems to assume "rugby spokesmen for the elite old boys club" or to his mind, the only people that are involved in rugby. In other words about 5% of people in the game.
Alan Jones always gave him a platform for his right Wong views, Jone's fluffer Fordham is carrying it on.
NFI had such a poor administration record in the game he really should be too embarrassed to show his face.
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Mog The Almighty wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:23 am
kiwigreg369 wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:47 am I'm not sure which perspective Farr-Jones was taking but for a typically astute individual he came across like ignorant cock.

Anyway - not happening. But i do like the ground swell on Indigenous reflection & recognition and Rennie's got a strong personal history and experience here. Nice pop at the Safa's as well - for being cnuts.
Why the Wallabies won't drop a knee before Bledisloe clash
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October 23, 2020 — 1.48pm

The Wallabies will not drop a knee in support of the Black Lives Matter movement in their next Test against the All Blacks because they don’t want to “make a political statement” and would rather honour Indigenous Australians when they wear a First Nations jersey at ANZ Stadium on October 31.

However, the playing group has agreed it would like to see Australia’s First Nations people represented on every Wallabies jersey, not just on special occasions.

Wallabies coach Dave Rennie revealed the playing group had made a unanimous decision they won’t drop a knee during the national anthem in support of the Black Lives Matter movement, which spread across world sport following the death of George Floyd, a black man, while in police custody in the US.

The discussion only came about because Wallabies back Dane Haylett-Petty said the group would consider doing so after being asked by a reporter on Wednesday whether it was something that could occur.

On Thursday, former Wallabies captain Nick Farr-Jones warned the national side that it wasn’t a good idea to do so because they risked alienating supporters and was too controversial a move.

“No, we won’t [be taking a knee] ,” Rennie said on Friday. “Our focus is around our First Nations people and the Indigenous jersey. We’re not looking to make a political statement.

“The key thing is that this is about honouring our Indigenous people and we want the focus to be on that. I guess everyone has got their own opinions around the other situation but we want the focus to be around reflecting on our history and our past.

“We met with the leaders and the leaders met with the team. It’s an unanimous decision.”

Rennie then said there was a push for more regular recognition in every gold jersey.

“We’ve certainly talked about the Indigenous jersey and as a group we’d like to see that represented every week in our Test jersey, not just as a one-off,” Rennie said. “I think this is the first step in regard to embracing that part of our history.

“What we’re trying to highlight is First Nations is part of our DNA. It needs to be reflected in what we do every day, not just one or two times a year. We think having that reflected on our Test jersey every week is really important.”

Rugby Australia released a statement shortly after Rennie's teleconference, with interim chief executive Rob Clarke saying the organisation condemned racism in the wake of Farr Jones' controversial comments.

"Rugby Australia and the Wallabies condemn any form of racism or discrimination and also acknowledge that we are still on the path to reconciliation," Clarke said. "I'm really pleased the players and management have come together to speak about this, as they would with other important social issues. It was measured, appropriate and mature and I congratulate the team as they explore more opportunities to recognise issues facing First Nations people and all Australians."

It is the fourth time Australia will wear a First Nations jersey, having done so against New Zealand in 2017 in Brisbane, against England at Twickenham in 2018, as well as at the World Cup against Uruguay.

“I love it,” Rennie said. “I know the players love it and I’ll wear it with pride next week.

“I coached the Chiefs for six years where there is a really strong multi-flavour to that jersey and reflected the history of our region.”

As for a potential jersey clash with New Zealand, given the First Nations jersey is a little darker in colour than the traditional Wallaby gold, Rennie didn’t think there would be a issue.

“I don’t think it will clash unless [referee] Ben O'Keeffe is colour-blind,” Rennie said. “There’s certainly enough white and I don’t think it’s an issue. It might have been an issue if we were playing South Africa.”

The Wallabies are back in camp in the Hunter Valley and will continue training there throughout the early stages of next week before Saturday’s third Bledisloe Test in Sydney.

Australia drew with New Zealand 16-16 in Wellington before falling 27-7 to the Kiwis at Eden Park.

Rennie’s men will need to win both Tests against New Zealand on home soil to regain the Bledisloe Cup for the first time since 2002.

“I think the first Test showed there is a lot of character in this group,” Rennie said. “I reckon we’ve got a massive upside and we’re going to get better over time and that’s why we’re very excited about having a lot of Tests in quick succession.”
Seems completely reasonable to me.

I don't think the George Floyd murder should be used to enable "do this inane thing or your a racist!" justice warriorers.

The Wallabies are wearing their Indigenous jerseys, they have voiced an opinion that they want Indigenous Australia represented on every Wallaby jersey and they're half polynesian with a half kiwi coach.

They're obviously not racists. So let's not play bullshit call-out games here.

If you want to take a knee, fine, whatever. If you don't, fine. Whatever, just don't be a racist dick, and they're not.
Agree Mog. Not really my place to comment on the jersey, but it is a good thing to honour the jersey occasionally, except I think they have used the wrong colours.

The argument that an indigenous jersey should be adopted universally will cause argument. The AB's don't have Maori designed jerseys to celebrate Maori culture. As a Chiefs supporter I love their jersey, i identify with it because i was born and raised in the Waikato and have 3 of them. Maybe its something the Tahs, Qld etc could adopt?

The wearing of the jersey at the next test should not be used as political statement instead of celebrating the indigenous people which is what it is all about. It is obvious this argument is already causing a divide in the ranks and RA doesn't need that right now.

I along with Mog, hate (and I rarely use that word) that people now get on the bandwagon that if you don't go along with the justice or social warriors, you are somehow racist or out of touch.
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What was your stance on playing South Africa under apartheid restrictions, Les?
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wamberal wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:34 am What was your stance on playing South Africa under apartheid restrictions, Les?
Why? What does that have to with the jersey?
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wamberal wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:34 am What was your stance on playing South Africa under apartheid restrictions, Les?
That's completely f-cking different and a disengenuous comparison.

A bunch of Australian polynesians taking a knee because people protested in America, on the other side of the world, where they once had institionalised slavery because an individual American cop killed an American citizen--and it is important to note, was arrested and will face (harsh) justice--is completely different to not directly cooperating with a blatantly racist government who are otherwise unaccountable for their racism.

Like I said, I'm not "for" or "against" taking a knee. If it were me, I'd do it just because it takes 10 seconds and what the fudge, it might make someone happy at a very small cost, so why not? But I also do recognise that it's social justice warrior movement. Colin Kaperneck doing it to make a political statement is one thing, I applaud him. But suddently, "everyone in the world has to do it or you're a racist. Prove to us that you're not a racist!". That is just f-cking stupid and slightly insulting.
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les@mooloolaba wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:59 am
wamberal wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:34 am What was your stance on playing South Africa under apartheid restrictions, Les?
Why? What does that have to with the jersey?
I don't know. Maybe you do, though.
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wamberal wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 7:37 am
les@mooloolaba wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:59 am
wamberal wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:34 am What was your stance on playing South Africa under apartheid restrictions, Les?
Why? What does that have to with the jersey?
I don't know. Maybe you do, though.
Feeling a bit stupid by that question now aren't you?
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Anyway, it looks as though they have decided against taking a knee, which is fine as it would be if they had decided to go ahead and have made the protest.
IKA, the BLM protests here in Australia were about our own racial inequality issues, which are legitimate despite what people like NFJ say. As often is the case we end up mirroring what has happened previously in the USA. This usually really pisses me off and shows what a chip many Aussies have on our/their shoulders. But in this case the protests are legitimate and have nothing to do with George Floyd. We have our own unique, but in some ways similar, imbalances.

On another note, I see that Irae Simone has been interviewed by the SMH and he says that he is ready to fill the shoes left vacant by Matt Toomuas injury. Does this mean that Rennie is leaning this way?
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Olo wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:39 am Anyway, it looks as though they have decided against taking a knee, which is fine as it would be if they had decided to go ahead and have made the protest.
IKA, the BLM protests here in Australia were about our own racial inequality issues, which are legitimate despite what people like NFJ say. As often is the case we end up mirroring what has happened previously in the USA. This usually really pisses me off and shows what a chip many Aussies have on our/their shoulders. But in this case the protests are legitimate and have nothing to do with George Floyd. We have our own unique, but in some ways similar, imbalances.

On another note, I see that Irae Simone has been interviewed by the SMH and he says that he is ready to fill the shoes left vacant by Matt Toomuas injury. Does this mean that Rennie is leaning this way?
No, they were directly linked to the Floy Mayweather murder. Absolutely nothing at all happened in Australia that should spark outrage and protests during coronavirus lockdown. The one and only reason they occurred is because they occurred in America, and a bunch of people in Australia wanted to jump on the bandwagon and get all shouty.

Now please do not misconstrue that post to mean, "we don't have racism in Australia". Obviously we do have racism--although it should be noted that things have vastly imporved over the past decades, as they have in the USA--but yes, it still does clings on. And yes, obviously we have a history of racism, if not genocide against the Aboriginal Australians which should be widely and openly acknowledged without question.

But the protests in Australia were directly a result of the protests in America. And the protests in America were pretty f-cking dubious to begin with.
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The protests in America were not dubious at all. The ongoing racial hatred and inequality there is very real. Our own imbalance of incarceration numbers and the difference in methods used to enforce the law with indigenous people compared to other Australians are real as is the socio-economic divide between them and most other Australians. The gang problems with Sudanese immigrants in Melbourne are very real. The inhumane methods we have utilised to wrongly imprison asylum seeking refugees on Manus and Nauru are very real. Despite what many well to do Aussies choose to ignore, we have serious racial issues right here in our country.

I will not say anything else about it on this thread as this is the Wallabies 2020 gig but you are very wrong mate if you think any of the recent or ongoing BLM protests around the world are “pretty f**king dubious to begin with”.
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I don't give a fudge whether they kneel or not. Fine either way.
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Yeah. MOG is out of order there, and demonstrates pretty clearly he is off the pace with that.
While I have no issue if the Wallaby’s want to take a knee, even the fact the discussion is being had is great.
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There are better ways to deal with important focus on indigenous issues in general and in rugby RA and the team could do. I dont see the point of a parody of something that doesn't resound here. If nothing else it has put a focus on RA to lift their game. Although the jersey and welcome to country have been recent efforts to bridge the gap.
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