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My team for the final game

1. Sio
2. BPA
3. Tupou
4. Phillip
5. LSL
6. Valentini (showed more in 10mins than Hannigan did in 70 last week)
7. Hooper
8. Wilson
9. White
10. JOC
11. Koro
12. Paisami
13. Petaia
14. Wright
15. Hodge

16. Ulese
17. Bell
18. NRMA
19. Hosea
20. Samu
21. McDermott
22. Loloseio
23. Ramm
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We can have an impactful bench to come home strong

Uelese
Bell
TT
LSL
McReight
Tate
Lolesio
Maddocks

Assuming Hodge starts at 15
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Wallabies forwards are slightly better than last year- but their backline has been very average this year. Nothing on attack. Rennie's more conservative play will backfire on the wallabies-even more so in the long run. The physical /defensive minded style doesnt suit them and they will be worse than they were under cheika. Well they already are but watch them get worse and Rennie's era finish with a 35% win record.
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Tuivasa wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:47 am Wallabies forwards are slightly better than last year- but their backline has been very average this year. Nothing on attack. Rennie's more conservative play will backfire on the wallabies-even more so in the long run. The physical /defensive minded style doesnt suit them and they will be worse than they were under cheika. Well they already are but watch them get worse and Rennie's era finish with a 35% win record.
Neato.
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As a Chiefs supporter i've not seen Rennie described as a conservative. Not sure if this is how things went in Glasgow.

My take is that the first issue - as is always the way - is to shore up defence and the forwards. Defence still needs work but then more into a more open / attacking style.

Which does suite Australia of old / and supporters / and hopefully teams of the future.
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Zakar wrote: Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:29 pm My team for the final game

1. Sio
2. BPA
3. Tupou
4. Phillip
5. LSL
6. Valentini (showed more in 10mins than Hannigan did in 70 last week)
7. Hooper
8. Wilson
9. White
10. JOC
11. Koro
12. Paisami
13. Petaia
14. Wright
15. Hodge

16. Ulese
17. Bell
18. NRMA
19. Hosea
20. Samu
21. McDermott
22. Loloseio
23. Ramm
Good team. The only change I'd make is to start AAA. Tupou seems to go better coming on at 45.
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Ellafan wrote: Thu Nov 26, 2020 1:23 pm
grievous wrote: Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:31 pm looking forward to those stats

Stop your whining and google it yourself.
So talking out of your arse as usual then.
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Bindi wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:48 am
Zakar wrote: Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:29 pm My team for the final game

1. Sio
2. BPA
3. Tupou
4. Phillip
5. LSL
6. Valentini (showed more in 10mins than Hannigan did in 70 last week)
7. Hooper
8. Wilson
9. White
10. JOC
11. Koro
12. Paisami
13. Petaia
14. Wright
15. Hodge

16. Ulese
17. Bell
18. NRMA
19. Hosea
20. Samu
21. McDermott
22. Loloseio
23. Ramm
Good team. The only change I'd make is to start AAA. Tupou seems to go better coming on at 45.
It is a good team and pretty close to what we will see. Simmons will be retained and most likely start after last week and fair enough. That means LSL is a very handy bench option covering lock/6 so Hosea is unlikely this time around.
With Hodge in the 23 we may not need Lolesio and could conceivably have a 6/2 split. Not sure if Rennie does this on occasion?
Agree that AAA starts and that he and TT get equal time.
If Hodge starts at 15 then it might be a good opportunity to have a look at Maddocks. He has been prevalent in social media this week so we may see him. He covers wing and fullback.
With a 5/3 bench both Lolesio and Maddocks get a run
At 6 I would bet that Rennie sticks with Hannigan but I would also like to see Valentini get a start. It is time to look beyond Ned.
It’s also time for someone to sign Rodda for next year. Farce or Tahs I would guess. He will be very handy in the absence of Simmo.
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grievous wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:11 am
Ellafan wrote: Thu Nov 26, 2020 1:23 pm
grievous wrote: Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:31 pm looking forward to those stats

Stop your whining and google it yourself.
So talking out of your arse as usual then.
Everyone reading this topic knows that you have spent the last two days searching desperately for some different kicking % stats without success. Sorry you haven't found anything that suits your "I hate Sydney Uni" narrative. Perhaps you should log off.
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Ellafan wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:50 am Sorry you haven't found anything that suits your "I hate Sydney Uni" narrative. Perhaps you should log off.
Everybody who loves grassroots rugby hates Sydney Uni. Should we all log off?
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wamberal wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:04 am
Ellafan wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:50 am Sorry you haven't found anything that suits your "I hate Sydney Uni" narrative. Perhaps you should log off.
Everybody who loves grassroots rugby hates Sydney Uni. Should we all log off?
You may hate them, but at least you are not mendacious like grevious.
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kiap wrote: Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:12 pm
towny wrote: Thu Nov 26, 2020 7:20 pm With more than a week to go, you’d presume that LSL and JOC would be back in the starting XV.

Let’s hope:
- They bring Tate back in and forget this Gordon fiasco.
- Think we need to look again at Banks at the bank.
Emphasises the gaps in the roster.

Agree, Tate > Jake. Was in favour of Gordon getting a go but reckon I was wrong.

LSL is ok. Has the strength but a bit military medium. I have adjusted down expectations for about three years in a row. Philip is serviceable and stepped up pretty well. Still missing an Arnold/Rodda.

Sio is down on form/injury-tolled. Not sure Slipper has multiple years left, tho.

IMO, there is an answer at 6. It's just red misted/red carded.

+ I'm looking forward to a new captain...
Oh, I like Swinton for 6, but was thinking about this next game.
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Ellafan wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:39 am
wamberal wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:04 am
Ellafan wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:50 am Sorry you haven't found anything that suits your "I hate Sydney Uni" narrative. Perhaps you should log off.
Everybody who loves grassroots rugby hates Sydney Uni. Should we all log off?
You may hate them, but at least you are not mendacious like grevious.
I’ve never come across a uni club I haven’t hated tbf.
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towny wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:49 am
Ellafan wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:39 am
wamberal wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:04 am
Ellafan wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:50 am Sorry you haven't found anything that suits your "I hate Sydney Uni" narrative. Perhaps you should log off.
Everybody who loves grassroots rugby hates Sydney Uni. Should we all log off?
You may hate them, but at least you are not mendacious like grevious.
I’ve never come across a uni club I haven’t hated tbf.

plum to a man.

Always attracts the types that enjoy initiation ceremonies and elephant chains more than rugby.
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Zakar wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:03 am
towny wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:49 am
Ellafan wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:39 am
wamberal wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:04 am
Ellafan wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:50 am Sorry you haven't found anything that suits your "I hate Sydney Uni" narrative. Perhaps you should log off.
Everybody who loves grassroots rugby hates Sydney Uni. Should we all log off?
You may hate them, but at least you are not mendacious like grevious.
I’ve never come across a uni club I haven’t hated tbf.

plum to a man.

Always attracts the types that enjoy initiation ceremonies and elephant chains more than rugby.
I actually have no idea what you are talking about.

What the fuck is an "elephant chain"?
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Ellafan wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:50 am
grievous wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:11 am
Ellafan wrote: Thu Nov 26, 2020 1:23 pm
grievous wrote: Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:31 pm looking forward to those stats

Stop your whining and google it yourself.
So talking out of your arse as usual then.
Everyone reading this topic knows that you have spent the last two days searching desperately for some different kicking % stats without success. Sorry you haven't found anything that suits your "I hate Sydney Uni" narrative. Perhaps you should log off.
I haven't searched shit because I know it wasn't there other than in Sluggy cyberspace.
Which is only your tika masala/shiraz stained couch in the living room.
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Ellafan wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:39 am
wamberal wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:04 am
Ellafan wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:50 am Sorry you haven't found anything that suits your "I hate Sydney Uni" narrative. Perhaps you should log off.
Everybody who loves grassroots rugby hates Sydney Uni. Should we all log off?
You may hate them, but at least you are not mendacious like grevious.
I love Sydney uni this year.
"Gordon 2020 champions"
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Bernie Foley goal kicking success rate: 78%

Dan Carter goal kicking success rate: 77%
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Foley let others take the long range kicks though, so you’re comparing apples with lemons.
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towny wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:29 pm Foley let others take the long range kicks though, so you’re comparing apples with lemons.
Towny, did Carter ever kick from further than 45meters out? Foley kicked a super title and a WC semifinal from there. What we are seeing here is a lot of bullshit and populist supposition on this site, from dickheads with agendas like Grevious, and the anti waratah pro-brumby clique like slimmy. Lelo's % is less than Foley's, by the way Slimbot.

There are a bunch of people here who dump on Simmons (and, at times I have questioned is selection). If you actually forget about the funky stuff of forwards chiming in the centres and HAVE A PROPER f**king LOOK AT WHAT GOES ON IN A GAME OF RUGBY, Simmons does his job.

There are a lot of agenda driven morons on this thread. Don't be one of them.
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No one else kicked except Carter; however Beale or Hodge would always step up and have at the shots that Foley’s tiny pop-gun boot couldn’t reach.

You know this.
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towny wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 4:16 pm No one else kicked except Carter; however Beale or Hodge would always step up and have at the shots that Foley’s tiny pop-gun boot couldn’t reach.

You know this.
Where are your facts to support that deprecatory comment?

Foley kicked up to about 5m inside halfway.

Yes sure they would toss Beale the odd longee.

How did that go, did he get it (against the Lions)?

Towny, trying to defame a retired player who was picked because he was best in his position is pretty f**king bogan behaviour. I expect it fro sour cunce like grevious, or politics of envy types like Wambers -not from you.

Give yourself an upper cut trooper.
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Zakar wrote: Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:29 pm My team for the final game

1. Sio
2. BPA
3. Tupou
4. Phillip
5. LSL
6. Valentini (showed more in 10mins than Hannigan did in 70 last week)
7. Hooper
8. Wilson
9. White
10. JOC
11. Koro
12. Paisami
13. Petaia
14. Wright
15. Hodge

16. Ulese
17. Bell
18. NRMA
19. Hosea
20. Samu
21. McDermott
22. Loloseio
23. Ramm
I’m happy with that, except for Sio. He’s poop now. I don’t know how Hodge will work with those centres. Seems like it puts a lot of pressure on JOC; however there isn’t other options screaming at me.

I thought Maddocks looked good in the first trial with Argentina. He threw a pass for a try that I haven’t seen from a gold player in a long time.
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Ellafan wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 4:27 pm
towny wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 4:16 pm No one else kicked except Carter; however Beale or Hodge would always step up and have at the shots that Foley’s tiny pop-gun boot couldn’t reach.

You know this.
Where are your facts to support that deprecatory comment?

Foley kicked up to about 5m inside halfway.

Yes sure they would toss Beale the odd longee.

How did that go, did he get it (against the Lions)?

Towny, trying to defame a retired player who was picked because he was best in his position is pretty f**king bogan behaviour. I expect it fro sour cunce like grevious, or politics of envy types like Wambers -not from you.

Give yourself an upper cut trooper.
You show me some facts that Foley was putting them over from 45m.

Next you’ll tell me he wasn’t a pathetic defender.
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The goal posts don't move Towny. That is a realy shit response.

You might want to avoid anymore strawman arguments.
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If Foley was a bowler, he’d be Ricky Ponting. Medium pace chinamen and the odd nick
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shanky wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:58 pm If Foley was a bowler, he’d be Ricky Ponting. Medium pace chinamen and the odd nick
Fuck off.
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Foley served well and he was, well, pretty much all we had through that period with a flaky Quade in and out of the squad.
We appreciate him, thank him and wish him the best in easy rugby, where he belongs.
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Ellafan wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:10 pm
shanky wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:58 pm If Foley was a bowler, he’d be Ricky Ponting. Medium pace chinamen and the odd nick
Fuck off.
You’re right. The Ponting reference was uncalled for

I should have said Phil Tufnell...
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Ellafan wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 4:13 pm
towny wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:29 pm Foley let others take the long range kicks though, so you’re comparing apples with lemons.
Towny, did Carter ever kick from further than 45meters out? Foley kicked a super title and a WC semifinal from there. What we are seeing here is a lot of bullshit and populist supposition on this site, from dickheads with agendas like Grevious, and the anti waratah pro-brumby clique like slimmy. Lelo's % is less than Foley's, by the way Slimbot.

There are a bunch of people here who dump on Simmons (and, at times I have questioned is selection). If you actually forget about the funky stuff of forwards chiming in the centres and HAVE A PROPER f**king LOOK AT WHAT GOES ON IN A GAME OF RUGBY, Simmons does his job.

There are a lot of agenda driven morons on this thread. Don't be one of them.
Youre too stupid to see that you double down on any criticism of anything NSW like the CCP on anything negative on China.
Its Simmons this week, last it was Hanigan where everyone else can see he is out of his depth at test level.
The game is too small in Oz out this parochial shit like you want the Brumbies to fold, you should fvck off to league.
Oh put up those stats on Foley, shame if he was a better kicker than Carter that the whole rugby world missed it except you.
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Olo wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:14 pm Foley served well and he was, well, pretty much all we had through that period with a flaky Quade in and out of the squad.
We appreciate him, thank him and wish him the best in easy rugby, where he belongs.
Yep, he was frustrating to watch sometimes leaving points out there but I was there for that kick in the super final. And other great victories.
oz has been missing a fly half to match NZ, ENG, Irl etc for some time, no team was ever built around him rather he was sum of players we had..

Fans can call it as they see it, Sluggy thinks we all need to build a shrine in our living room to him
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Its Simmons this week, last it was Hanigan where everyone else can see he is out of his depth at test level.
Perhaps you should send a sternly worded email to Coach Rennie and the rest of the Wallaby selectors, grevious, they seem to need their eyes checked ;)
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I like Foley, wasn't world class, but he was the best we had. :thumbup:

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I once saw Foley driving around in a Toyota Yaris.

Nothing wrong with them, those Yaris cars.

NothIng wrong with them

Of course, Larkham was an E-type jag. But hey
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shanky wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:12 pm Hooper is a warrior, but he’s cost us 1 Bledisloe and 1 Tri-nations (and other games) by refusing to take the points.

I think he’s too aggressive as a captain. On the weekend, for example, he was playing for the yellow, not the match.

Time for a new skipper.
I’ve got nothing against kicking for the corner and the rolling maul. Brumbies score about 110% of their tries doing that. It can be a very effective weapon. Even when they play other set piece moves, the defense is so set to defend the maul, so it is thin elsewhere. The only issue is, the Brumbies are bloody good at it, and the Wallabies are not. Rennie needs to bring in Gandalf from the Brumbies as a maul specialist.
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Yes, exactly. :thumbup:
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The Optimist wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 3:00 pm I like Foley, wasn't world class, but he was the best we had. :thumbup:

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I don’t know why everyone is so black or white about Foley. He was a decent kicker, 78%, but also rarely took kicks from more than 40 meters out. He had a good passing game, a great running game, and a fairly average kicking game. Basically he was no Dan Carter, but he was no Stephen Donald either.
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Interesting Paul Cully piece:

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/rugby-u ... 56iir.html
NSW and Queensland are where the [TV] audiences are to be found, and Rugby Australia probably needs either the Waratahs or the Reds - and preferably both - to be at the top of the ladder, challenging for the title and subsequently giving the trans-Tasman competition a real crack, too.... The tricky thing for the Waratahs is that the second row is one position in Australia where teams can expect to be exposed if they don’t get it right...perhaps this is where the Waratahs’ fundamental issue lies. Matt Philip, Izack Rodda, Will Skelton, Luke Holmes, Rory Arnold, Rob Simmons and Harry Hockings are all overseas, or heading that way.

The Australian production line has been diverted to overseas markets, and it can’t be reversed soon enough.
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I actually liked Foley. He gave 100% all of the time and had some excellent games.
You cannot blame a bloke for being picked.
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Gotta get Rodda back now. Thankfully Simmo has been on top of his game this short test season. The likes of Blyth, Hosea and a few others will come on in leaps and bounds next soup season but we need a senior lock. Has to be Rodda.
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