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Short Man Syndrome wrote:I would LOVE it if Cips went and played himself into the test spot at 10. Like, Kevin Keegan LOVE it.

Gats never takes someone who is disruptive on Tour. He was very clear for NZ that that is why Mike Brown was never selected. Cipriani still has that tag, reasonable or not.

LandOTurk wrote:

Short Man Syndrome wrote:I would LOVE it if Cips went and played himself into the test spot at 10. Like, Kevin Keegan LOVE it.

Gats never takes someone who is disruptive on Tour. He was very clear for NZ that that is why Mike Brown was never selected. Cipriani still has that tag, reasonable or not.

Did he not pick Andy Powell and Gav during his time with Wales?

slick wrote:Genge seems to be getting picked a lot without having really done very much. Don't get me wrong, I like the look of the guy, but he is still very new and only getting a few minutes here and there.

Thats a a fair point but then again the same was true of Sinckler in 2017.

LandOTurk wrote:

Short Man Syndrome wrote:I would LOVE it if Cips went and played himself into the test spot at 10. Like, Kevin Keegan LOVE it.

Gats never takes someone who is disruptive on Tour. He was very clear for NZ that that is why Mike Brown was never selected. Cipriani still has that tag, reasonable or not.

I wonder if he knew SOB was going to be the wrong sort before selecting?

Jim Lahey wrote:

LandOTurk wrote:

Short Man Syndrome wrote:I would LOVE it if Cips went and played himself into the test spot at 10. Like, Kevin Keegan LOVE it.

Gats never takes someone who is disruptive on Tour. He was very clear for NZ that that is why Mike Brown was never selected. Cipriani still has that tag, reasonable or not.

Did he not pick Andy Powell and Gav during his time with Wales?

Powell has a good heart and all the players love him. Gav was when Woodwank was in charge and he was Asst.

Frodder wrote:

LandOTurk wrote:

Short Man Syndrome wrote:I would LOVE it if Cips went and played himself into the test spot at 10. Like, Kevin Keegan LOVE it.

Gats never takes someone who is disruptive on Tour. He was very clear for NZ that that is why Mike Brown was never selected. Cipriani still has that tag, reasonable or not.

I wonder if he knew SOB was going to be the wrong sort before selecting?

Tbf the Tullow Tank made all the wrong noises upon his return home, knowing he was probably too old for another Tour.

LandOTurk wrote:

Jim Lahey wrote:

LandOTurk wrote:

Short Man Syndrome wrote:I would LOVE it if Cips went and played himself into the test spot at 10. Like, Kevin Keegan LOVE it.

Gats never takes someone who is disruptive on Tour. He was very clear for NZ that that is why Mike Brown was never selected. Cipriani still has that tag, reasonable or not.

Did he not pick Andy Powell and Gav during his time with Wales?

Powell has a good heart and all the players love him. Gav was when Woodwank was in charge and he was Asst.

Sorry, you said with Wales. Yes, but in his interview re Brown he made it very clear that a tour was different - people are in each others pockets with nowhere to escape.

LandOTurk wrote:

Frodder wrote:

LandOTurk wrote:

Short Man Syndrome wrote:I would LOVE it if Cips went and played himself into the test spot at 10. Like, Kevin Keegan LOVE it.

Gats never takes someone who is disruptive on Tour. He was very clear for NZ that that is why Mike Brown was never selected. Cipriani still has that tag, reasonable or not.

I wonder if he knew SOB was going to be the wrong sort before selecting?

Tbf the Tullow Tank made all the wrong noises upon his return home, knowing he was probably too old for another Tour.

Clearly the wrong sort. He's up there with Austin and Dawson in the hall of shame

LandOTurk wrote:

Short Man Syndrome wrote:I would LOVE it if Cips went and played himself into the test spot at 10. Like, Kevin Keegan LOVE it.

Gats never takes someone who is disruptive on Tour. He was very clear for NZ that that is why Mike Brown was never selected. Cipriani still has that tag, reasonable or not.

Ehh.. when did he say that about Mike Brown? And why would Brown be considered disruptive?

JM2K6 wrote:

LandOTurk wrote:

Short Man Syndrome wrote:I would LOVE it if Cips went and played himself into the test spot at 10. Like, Kevin Keegan LOVE it.

Gats never takes someone who is disruptive on Tour. He was very clear for NZ that that is why Mike Brown was never selected. Cipriani still has that tag, reasonable or not.

Ehh.. when did he say that about Mike Brown? And why would Brown be considered disruptive?

Cause he’s a mopey kunt?

JM2K6 wrote:

LandOTurk wrote:

Short Man Syndrome wrote:I would LOVE it if Cips went and played himself into the test spot at 10. Like, Kevin Keegan LOVE it.

Gats never takes someone who is disruptive on Tour. He was very clear for NZ that that is why Mike Brown was never selected. Cipriani still has that tag, reasonable or not.

Ehh.. when did he say that about Mike Brown? And why would Brown be considered disruptive?

It's the WOL so think of it of 5mins of your life you're never getting back

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rug ... d-13004860

Jim Lahey wrote:

JM2K6 wrote:

LandOTurk wrote:

Short Man Syndrome wrote:I would LOVE it if Cips went and played himself into the test spot at 10. Like, Kevin Keegan LOVE it.

Gats never takes someone who is disruptive on Tour. He was very clear for NZ that that is why Mike Brown was never selected. Cipriani still has that tag, reasonable or not.

Ehh.. when did he say that about Mike Brown? And why would Brown be considered disruptive?

Cause he’s a mopey kunt?

Yeah no look, there's a reason why he was England VC and a die hard one club man - he's not a Cipriani style problem player and it's bizarre that people turn "can be a bit stroppy on the pitch and when he's just lost" into anything more.

The same goes for a lot of players, including recent Lions. Like Stuart Hogg or Laidlaw or Biggar or Farrell or Sinckler or... Etc.

Frodder wrote:

JM2K6 wrote:

LandOTurk wrote:

Short Man Syndrome wrote:I would LOVE it if Cips went and played himself into the test spot at 10. Like, Kevin Keegan LOVE it.

Gats never takes someone who is disruptive on Tour. He was very clear for NZ that that is why Mike Brown was never selected. Cipriani still has that tag, reasonable or not.

Ehh.. when did he say that about Mike Brown? And why would Brown be considered disruptive?

It's the WOL so think of it of 5mins of your life you're never getting back

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rug ... d-13004860

Well, that's delightfully vague. Might as well assume it's because he's English given that detail

Crash_12 wrote:

Jim Lahey wrote:Dombrandt, forgot about him.
Definitely a good shout for a WC.

He complained about how rough the Welsh Premiership is so not sure he’s a guy suited to taking on some of the hardest bastards in rugby.

Can’t remember the last time I saw someone punched from behind causing a broken jaw at international level.

Imho the 2 welsh scumhalves, jake ball and Josh Adams should all be in with a serious shout

mr flaps wrote:

Crash_12 wrote:

Jim Lahey wrote:Dombrandt, forgot about him.
Definitely a good shout for a WC.

He complained about how rough the Welsh Premiership is so not sure he’s a guy suited to taking on some of the hardest bastards in rugby.

Can’t remember the last time I saw someone punched from behind causing a broken jaw at international level.

What are you on about?

mr flaps wrote:

Crash_12 wrote:

Jim Lahey wrote:Dombrandt, forgot about him.
Definitely a good shout for a WC.

He complained about how rough the Welsh Premiership is so not sure he’s a guy suited to taking on some of the hardest bastards in rugby.

Can’t remember the last time I saw someone punched from behind causing a broken jaw at international level.

Phil Davies by Wade Dooley breaking Davies`s jaw?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TsX0kMWx7Y

GWO2 wrote:

mr flaps wrote:

Crash_12 wrote:

Jim Lahey wrote:Dombrandt, forgot about him.
Definitely a good shout for a WC.

He complained about how rough the Welsh Premiership is so not sure he’s a guy suited to taking on some of the hardest bastards in rugby.

Can’t remember the last time I saw someone punched from behind causing a broken jaw at international level.

Phil Davies by Wade Dooley breaking Davies`s jaw?

I am thinking burger geldehuys on Andy dalton in 1986.

But surely not even flaps would be that absurd

Monk Zombie wrote:Imho the 2 welsh scumhalves, jake ball and Josh Adams should all be in with a serious shout

Bit harsh!

mr flaps wrote:

Crash_12 wrote:

Jim Lahey wrote:Dombrandt, forgot about him.
Definitely a good shout for a WC.

He complained about how rough the Welsh Premiership is so not sure he’s a guy suited to taking on some of the hardest bastards in rugby.

Can’t remember the last time I saw someone punched from behind causing a broken jaw at international level.

malky wrote:

Monk Zombie wrote:Imho the 2 welsh scumhalves, jake ball and Josh Adams should all be in with a serious shout

Bit harsh!

oops

Monk Zombie wrote:

GWO2 wrote:

mr flaps wrote:

Crash_12 wrote:

Jim Lahey wrote:Dombrandt, forgot about him.
Definitely a good shout for a WC.

He complained about how rough the Welsh Premiership is so not sure he’s a guy suited to taking on some of the hardest bastards in rugby.

Can’t remember the last time I saw someone punched from behind causing a broken jaw at international level.

Phil Davies by Wade Dooley breaking Davies`s jaw?

I am thinking burger geldehuys on Andy dalton in 1986.

But surely not even flaps would be that absurd

Flaps was pointing out that it is a rarity at international level, and the few examples provided would suggest so.

His original reply was to Crash's comment that Dombrandt "complained about how hard the Welsh Premiership is", which was a reference to the fact that whilst playing for Cardiff Uni Dombrandt had his jaw broken twice in separate incidents when he got sucker punched from behind. The first of which resulted in a criminal conviction for his attacker.

This is unlikely at international level. Even in South Africa.

4071 wrote:
Flaps was pointing out that it is a rarity at international level, and the few examples provided would suggest so.

His original reply was to Crash's comment that Dombrandt "complained about how hard the Welsh Premiership is", which was a reference to the fact that whilst playing for Cardiff Uni Dombrandt had his jaw broken twice in separate incidents when he got sucker punched from behind. The first of which resulted in a criminal conviction for his attacker.

This is unlikely at international level. Even in South Africa.

Ah - thank you.

Burger Geldenhuys did that to Andy Dalton in 1986 and Danie Craven - such was his power in saffa rugby - banned him from future Bok selection. https://youtu.be/YwhScClL8Ms?t=118

I remember also Kobus Wiese blindsiding Derwyn Jones. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0gDO0txxvQ

Really is a low act on a rugby field.

Monk Zombie wrote:

4071 wrote:
Flaps was pointing out that it is a rarity at international level, and the few examples provided would suggest so.

His original reply was to Crash's comment that Dombrandt "complained about how hard the Welsh Premiership is", which was a reference to the fact that whilst playing for Cardiff Uni Dombrandt had his jaw broken twice in separate incidents when he got sucker punched from behind. The first of which resulted in a criminal conviction for his attacker.

This is unlikely at international level. Even in South Africa.

Ah - thank you.

Burger Geldenhuys did that to Andy Dalton in 1986 and Danie Craven - such was his power in saffa rugby - banned him from future Bok selection. https://youtu.be/YwhScClL8Ms?t=118

I remember also Kobus Wiese blindsiding Derwyn Jones. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0gDO0txxvQ

Really is a low act on a rugby field.

Re-Derwyn Jones incident. It was such a shame the ref wasn't in a position to see that

Rees-Zammit as the bolter

I know they're taking c. 38 so-

LH
Mako
Genge
Sutherland

HK
George
Owens
Cowan-Dickie

TH
Sinckler
Furlong
Nel or Fagerson

LK
AWJ
Itoje
Ball
Lawes
Ryan


BR
Curry
Underhill
Willis
Falateu
Tipuric
Wainwright

SH
Tomos Williams
Cooney
Murray

FH
Biggar
Ford

C
Manu
Slade
Tomkins
C. Farrell
JD
Henshaw

W
Adams
McConnachie
May
Watson
Daly

FB
Liam Williams
Hogg

Is anybody getting worried that this tour may either be cancelled or put back a year?

mdaclarke wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:33 pm Is anybody getting worried that this tour may either be cancelled or put back a year?

No- the pressure from SARU is phenomenal in terms of lost revenue. Jan 4th is supposed to be D-Day. I am pretty sure it'll happen

Jake wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:46 pm

mdaclarke wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:33 pm Is anybody getting worried that this tour may either be cancelled or put back a year?

No- the pressure from SARU is phenomenal in terms of lost revenue. Jan 4th is supposed to be D-Day. I am pretty sure it'll happen

And South Africa seems to be coping a bit better than the UK with Covid, I was speaking to family over there and I didn't realise that they banned both cigarettes and alcohol

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/so ... 04538.html

EverReady wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:36 pm

Jake wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:26 pm I know they're taking c. 38 so-

LH
Mako
Genge
Sutherland

HK
George
Owens
Cowan-Dickie

TH
Sinckler
Furlong
Nel or Fagerson

LK
AWJ
Itoje
Ball
Lawes
Ryan


BR
Curry
Underhill
Willis
Falateu
Tipuric
Wainwright

SH
Tomos Williams
Cooney
Murray

FH
Biggar
Ford

C
Manu
Slade
Tomkins
C. Farrell
JD
Henshaw

W
Adams
McConnachie
May
Watson
Daly

FB
Liam Williams
Hogg

Too many Irish. Murray ain't going

Re:Irish involvement .....neither Murray nor Cooney will be going (maybe cooney for midweek Team cos he can also play 10 and kick pennos)

On the other hand, there will be a few Irish backrows on Tour including Doris and Leavy (assuming his recovery goes to plan)

Conan has a shout also ....... wainwright ffs?

Ditto Ringrose ...... Tompkins ffs?

Henderson is miles better than Jake ball by the way

Larmour also could travel as a dirt tracker covering wing, 15 and centre

Gatlands affinity for mediocre welsh players presumably won't survive the continuing passing of time in NZ

EverReady wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:25 pm I presume Jake is taking the piss. A lot of the Irish players have benefited from Covid and seem to have got over the 2019 debacle. Who knows who goes with Garland. Tbh not too many is fine. Enough to keep my eye in but not so much we have a hangover from it

No Ringrose was the giveaway. He can’t help himself.

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:48 pm

EverReady wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:25 pm I presume Jake is taking the piss. A lot of the Irish players have benefited from Covid and seem to have got over the 2019 debacle. Who knows who goes with Garland. Tbh not too many is fine. Enough to keep my eye in but not so much we have a hangover from it

No Ringrose was the giveaway. He can’t help himself.

Showpony and lacks beef.

A poor man's Henry Slade.

Rónan Kelleher for hooker. Doris at 6.

Jake wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:26 pm I know they're taking c. 38 so-

LH
Mako
Genge
Sutherland

HK
George
Owens
Cowan-Dickie

TH
Sinckler
Furlong
Nel or Fagerson

LK
AWJ
Itoje
Ball
Lawes
Ryan


BR
Curry
Underhill
Willis
Falateu
Tipuric
Wainwright

SH
Tomos Williams
Cooney
Murray

FH
Biggar
Ford

C
Manu
Slade
Tomkins
C. Farrell
JD
Henshaw

W
Adams
McConnachie
May
Watson
Daly

FB
Liam Williams
Hogg

Jake Ball is massively overrated. He does ok for Wales but there are a lot of English and Irish locks I'd have instead of him.

Looks ok otherwise imo.

Don't 1 in 5 Saffers have covid?

Jake wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:26 pm I know they're taking c. 38 so-

LH
Mako
Genge
Sutherland

HK
George
Owens
Cowan-Dickie

TH
Sinckler
Furlong
Nel or Fagerson

LK
AWJ
Itoje
Ball
Lawes
Ryan


BR
Curry
Underhill
Willis
Falateu
Tipuric
Wainwright

SH
Tomos Williams
Cooney
Murray

FH
Biggar
Ford

C
Manu
Slade
Tomkins
C. Farrell
JD
Henshaw

W
Adams
McConnachie
May
Watson
Daly

FB
Liam Williams
Hogg

What an awful squad.

EverReady wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:42 am

Nolanator wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:29 am Rónan Kelleher for hooker. Doris at 6.

Nah. He needs the core of one team, England, and the core of another, Wales, and Scotland need a few after the last time and the whole Typhoon disappointment so Ireland need to accept their punishment for 2019 and come back firing for the next outing. Good luck guys

You've been having conversations with Lioghroidí, haven't you?

earl the beaver wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:34 am

Jake wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:26 pm I know they're taking c. 38 so-

LH
Mako
Genge
Sutherland

HK
George
Owens
Cowan-Dickie

TH
Sinckler
Furlong
Nel or Fagerson

LK
AWJ
Itoje
Ball
Lawes
Ryan


BR
Curry
Underhill
Willis
Falateu
Tipuric
Wainwright

SH
Tomos Williams
Cooney
Murray

FH
Biggar
Ford

C
Manu
Slade
Tomkins
C. Farrell
JD
Henshaw

W
Adams
McConnachie
May
Watson
Daly

FB
Liam Williams
Hogg

What an awful squad.

He hasn't selected Rory Best so you're right

hermie wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:57 am Don't 1 in 5 Saffers have covid?

Would decimate the Sale squad.