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Which players , famed in a certain position, were capped starters (ie not injury or yellow card replacement filling in like Jonny May on the flank) in a position other than their usual one ?

Bergamasco at 9 seems the most obvious in recent times.
Joseph on the wing this weekend another.
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Radiki Samo was an 8 that could play lock. Deans capped him on the wing.
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13. Christian Cullen :?.
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I'm fairly sure both Michael Owen and Jonathan Thomas started in the locks for Wales at one time or another. That was f**king nuts.
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Twitter said this morning that JPR had a cap on the flank - he was probably too hard and aggressive for the back row, safer to keep him at fullback.
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Richie Vernon capped in the back row before being converted and capped at centre.
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Jonny Sexton at 10 would be an obvious one.
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OptimisticJock wrote:Richie Vernon capped in the back row before being converted and capped at centre.
Now that’s a damning indictment of Scotland’s depth.
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Didnt Bergascamo? Italian 7, start at scrum half in the 6N about 10 years ago?

Sean Cronin was a centre who became a hooker
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Trostan wrote:Didnt Bergascamo? Italian 7, start at scrum half in the 6N about 10 years ago?
You did read the OP, didn't you?
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Keith wrote:
Trostan wrote:Didnt Bergascamo? Italian 7, start at scrum half in the 6N about 10 years ago?
You did read the OP, didn't you?
Yep. Mea culpa.
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Erinle at 12. Tuilagi on the wing. Shields in the 2nd row. Sanderson at 8. Worsley at openside. Jason Robinson at centre. Lawes at 6.

In fact we could make quite an England side just front be last 20 odd years.

1. Rowntree
2. Dave Ward
3. Paul Doran Jones
4. Shields
5. Corry
6. Lawes
7. Worsley
8. Sanderson
9. Ben Foden
10. Healey
11. Catt
12. Erinle
13. Robinson
14. Tuilagi
15. Monye

Head coach:
Andy Robinson

Backs coach:
Eddie Jones
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Foden was a starting scrumhalf ? When ?
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Short Man Syndrome wrote:Twitter said this morning that JPR had a cap on the flank - he was probably too hard and aggressive for the back row, safer to keep him at fullback.
JPR saw flanker as his natural position.
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Difficult to say which was worse, Ugo at Fullback or Bergamasco at 9 :blush:
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eldanielfire wrote:
Short Man Syndrome wrote:Twitter said this morning that JPR had a cap on the flank - he was probably too hard and aggressive for the back row, safer to keep him at fullback.
JPR saw flanker as his natural position.
I always think of him scaring away the saffa pack on his own for the lions. What a double hard bastard.
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backrow wrote:Foden was a starting scrumhalf ? When ?
His debut game he came on at 9. I don't think anyone said he started at 9.
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8. David Pocock

10. Tim Nanai-Williams

I was looking to see if Andre Venter / AJ Venter played lock (pretty sure they did), but then saw this... Cullen at 14 and Wilson at 15. Seems weird. Had Goldie slowed down, hence the move? http://en.espn.co.uk/statsguru/rugby/match/23635.html
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backrow wrote:Foden was a starting scrumhalf ? When ?
When he first came through at Sale. They wanted him to play FB, cuz he was good there, but he moved to Saints with promise of playing at SH. Where he then developed as a FB...
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Barry McGann won all of his caps at out-half but I'm pretty sure that prop was his natural position.
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Lloyd Williams on the wing.

Sam Burgess at 12. Or six.

Ben Youngs at 9.
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yeeb's mini, kama sutra?




No.





Disappointing.
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Crash_12 wrote:
OptimisticJock wrote:Richie Vernon capped in the back row before being converted and capped at centre.
Now that’s a damning indictment of Scotland’s depth.
...and he wasn't the first in that decade either.

Roly Reid was a flanker/8 converted to wing and capped twice. Fairly sure he also played at 8 in non-cap international versus Barbarians.
Could have been scarily good as a winger.....which of course is why we used him twice then binned him.
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8. Tom Curry
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Nieghorn wrote:8. David Pocock

10. Tim Nanai-Williams

I was looking to see if Andre Venter / AJ Venter played lock (pretty sure they did), but then saw this... Cullen at 14 and Wilson at 15. Seems weird. Had Goldie slowed down, hence the move? http://en.espn.co.uk/statsguru/rugby/match/23635.html
Don’t think backrowers should be counted in this, or back three players as there is enough role crossover to make it fairly irrelevant. Wilson, who always had a good boot, played at fullback for much of his career.

The bigger shift there, Nieg, was Cullen to 13. As the ABs have not learned over the years, there can be a huge difference in a player’s impact moving from the back three to centre compared with shuffling around the back three
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Agreed, and noticed the earlier Cullen post.

I was also thinking Epi Taione, but think he played hooker, backrow and centre at club as well as country?
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Jeff Wilson preferred fullback.They indulged him.
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Crash_12 wrote:8. Tom Curry
8. Ken Owens
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Trostan wrote:
Sean Cronin was a centre who became a hooker
Sean Cronin player hooker for Shannon when they won the AIL in 2006. He may have played a few other positions at underage level, but he’s been a hooker his whole senior career.

Not that he wouldn’t be better at centre than anyone else that’s come out of Munster in that time frame, mind.
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Not as crazy as some of the others mentioned, but Jerome Kaino started at lock in the infamous Chicago test against Ireland. It did not go well.
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Australia could have an entire backline of 10s (capped there by australia) who play alternate positions. All are currently playing.

9. Gits
10. Lilo
11. JOC
12. Toomoa
13. Hodge
14. Beale
15. Barnes
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Zakar wrote:Australia could have an entire backline of 10s (capped there by australia) who play alternate positions. All are currently playing.

9. Gits
10. Lilo
11. JOC
12. Toomoa
13. Hodge
14. Beale
15. Barnes
I think it's technically impossible for Matt Giteau to be out of position so long as it's in the backline. Though I guess he never lined up on the wing. He's worn 15 for the Wallabies though hasn't he? Edit: nope, I'm on drugs - http://en.espn.co.uk/statsguru/rugby/pl ... view=match - did come off the bench as a wing once though apparently.

Forgot Barrick Barnes existed, nevermind that he's still playing...and wiki says he's only 33 :shock:
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Mark Andrews played the two biggest games of his career at no 8. RWC95 semi, final. The only times he's played there.
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Nieghorn wrote:Agreed, and noticed the earlier Cullen post.

I was also thinking Epi Taione, but think he played hooker, backrow and centre at club as well as country?
Backrow n centre for Tonga iirc.
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fonzeee wrote:
Zakar wrote:Australia could have an entire backline of 10s (capped there by australia) who play alternate positions. All are currently playing.

9. Gits
10. Lilo
11. JOC
12. Toomoa
13. Hodge
14. Beale
15. Barnes
I think it's technically impossible for Matt Giteau to be out of position so long as it's in the backline. Though I guess he never lined up on the wing. He's worn 15 for the Wallabies though hasn't he? Edit: nope, I'm on drugs - http://en.espn.co.uk/statsguru/rugby/pl ... view=match - did come off the bench as a wing once though apparently.

Forgot Barrick Barnes existed, nevermind that he's still playing...and wiki says he's only 33 :shock:
I think Gits may have covered Wing due to injuries in the lead up to the 2015 world cup, then got injured himself? Maybe played 15mins there.

Berrick could get pulled back into the Wobbs and do a decent job. He's been on the scene since he was 19 or so. Quality pro.
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Utility can work out alright sometimes. You can get a 2011 scenario, where we had a converted centre at 10 (DC), a centre on the wing (Kahui), a fullback on the other wing (Jane), a converted wing at inside centre (Nonu), a seam bowler at fullback (Dagg), a lawyer at centre (Conrad) and a prop at halfback (Weepu).
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Zakar wrote:
fonzeee wrote:
Zakar wrote:Australia could have an entire backline of 10s (capped there by australia) who play alternate positions. All are currently playing.

9. Gits
10. Lilo
11. JOC
12. Toomoa
13. Hodge
14. Beale
15. Barnes
I think it's technically impossible for Matt Giteau to be out of position so long as it's in the backline. Though I guess he never lined up on the wing. He's worn 15 for the Wallabies though hasn't he? Edit: nope, I'm on drugs - http://en.espn.co.uk/statsguru/rugby/pl ... view=match - did come off the bench as a wing once though apparently.

Forgot Barrick Barnes existed, nevermind that he's still playing...and wiki says he's only 33 :shock:
I think Gits may have covered Wing due to injuries in the lead up to the 2015 world cup, then got injured himself? Maybe played 15mins there.

Berrick could get pulled back into the Wobbs and do a decent job. He's been on the scene since he was 19 or so. Quality pro.
Yeah, always liked him. Presumably could have had a career in the NRL as well. That's a serious footballer.
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That's unkind to props Naki. Weepu was converted from the world of competitive eating.
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Zakar wrote:That's unkind to props Naki. Weepu was converted from the world of competitive eating.
That implies that there would even BE a competition if Piri was involved
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Samo on wing is the weirdest internationally capped position yet.. JJ on wing isn't far fetched, he is a centre and centres can nearly ALWAYS play wing, Fiji doesn't have any that has played an odd position internationally cause our players usually can play anywhere. :proud: :proud: though Bordeuax once brought prop Peni Ravai on as a replacement wing after their starting winger got injured and he ran in 40 metres beating the opposition wing to score the match winning try ..
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