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slick wrote:Great 6N day, honestly can’t remember a better day out.The French fans where brilliant, I punched a total Scottish plum just before half time who then got taken out by the police. Great all round
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JM2K6 wrote:
slick wrote:Great 6N day, honestly can’t remember a better day out.The French fans where brilliant, I punched a total Scottish plum just before half time who then got taken out by the police. Great all round
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Jalibert doesn’t like a tackle very much does he? The non tackling fly half is a bit of a rarity in test match rugby these days.
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BlackMac wrote:
Kid A wrote:
TheFrog wrote:
Frodder wrote:Haven't seen the game. Was the red a correct call?
Yes.
Yes but Ritchie should have had a yellow.

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He's just taken a decent shot to the face, a second French player has tackled him to the ground and they are now both on top of him looking for seconds. He clearly doesn't even connect but that situation has gone way beyond retaliation and he is entitled to defend himself from further assault.
Ritchie takes a swipe, sure, but what exactly is the guy he takes it at doing? It looks like he has one hand on Ritchie’s face and the other on his throat (could be the collar I guess?) I think most players would take a swipe in the same situation.
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Torquemada 1420 wrote:
Frodder wrote:Haven't seen the game. Was the red a correct call?
Totally. Just as retarded as Vahaamahina against Wales.

In fact, France might have had 2 reds had the ref not gone soft on Cros's tip tackle.
I thought Cros was unlucky to be carded I agreed totally with the refs original assessment just a pen for me.
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Well done Scotland. Were they aided by Bad France turning up?
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slick wrote:Great 6N day, honestly can’t remember a better day out.The French fans where brilliant, I punched a total Scottish plum just before half time who then got taken out by the police. Great all round
Pretty sure I want to hear about this :lol:

Good game overall, I personally love Ritchie's aggro- we've been missing someone like that for years!
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Saw this online. Reminds me of that other famous photo from years ago of that guy getting punched in a lineout :lol:
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Doc Rob wrote:
BlackMac wrote:
Kid A wrote:
TheFrog wrote:
Frodder wrote:Haven't seen the game. Was the red a correct call?
Yes.
Yes but Ritchie should have had a yellow.

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He's just taken a decent shot to the face, a second French player has tackled him to the ground and they are now both on top of him looking for seconds. He clearly doesn't even connect but that situation has gone way beyond retaliation and he is entitled to defend himself from further assault.
Ritchie takes a swipe, sure, but what exactly is the guy he takes it at doing? It looks like he has one hand on Ritchie’s face and the other on his throat (could be the collar I guess?) I think most players would take a swipe in the same situation.
you're both missing the point (in your understandable desire to protect your player - we've all been there)

the issue isn't what Richie did after he copped a punch in the face, its what he did before he got smacked that should have seen hum in the bin for 10.

he ran in from 20m away and instigated the whole schmozzle (as barnes pointed out to the ref at the time).

he should have gotten a yellow for his troubles tbf
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rfurlong wrote:you're both missing the point (in your understandable desire to protect your player - we've all been there)

the issue isn't what Richie did after he copped a punch in the face, its what he did before he got smacked that should have seen hum in the bin for 10.

he ran in from 20m away and instigated the whole schmozzle (as barnes pointed out to the ref at the time).

he should have gotten a yellow for his troubles tbf
Genuine question - can you point me to an occasion when a player has been yellow carded for 'running in'?

I'd say the 3 other French players getting involved and starting the shoving on Haining was what escalated it from just 2 players squaring off in a dick-waving contest. There's no rugby team on the planet that's going to leave one of theirs surrounded by 4 of the opposition.
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rfurlong wrote:
Doc Rob wrote:
BlackMac wrote:
Kid A wrote:
TheFrog wrote:
Yes.
Yes but Ritchie should have had a yellow.

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He's just taken a decent shot to the face, a second French player has tackled him to the ground and they are now both on top of him looking for seconds. He clearly doesn't even connect but that situation has gone way beyond retaliation and he is entitled to defend himself from further assault.
Ritchie takes a swipe, sure, but what exactly is the guy he takes it at doing? It looks like he has one hand on Ritchie’s face and the other on his throat (could be the collar I guess?) I think most players would take a swipe in the same situation.
you're both missing the point (in your understandable desire to protect your player - we've all been there)

the issue isn't what Richie did after he copped a punch in the face, its what he did before he got smacked that should have seen hum in the bin for 10.

he ran in from 20m away and instigated the whole schmozzle (as barnes pointed out to the ref at the time).

he should have gotten a yellow for his troubles tbf
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: The irony!
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topofthemoon wrote:
rfurlong wrote:you're both missing the point (in your understandable desire to protect your player - we've all been there)

the issue isn't what Richie did after he copped a punch in the face, its what he did before he got smacked that should have seen hum in the bin for 10.

he ran in from 20m away and instigated the whole schmozzle (as barnes pointed out to the ref at the time).

he should have gotten a yellow for his troubles tbf
Genuine question - can you point me to an occasion when a player has been yellow carded for 'running in'?

I'd say the 3 other French players getting involved and starting the shoving on Haining was what escalated it from just 2 players squaring off in a dick-waving contest. There's no rugby team on the planet that's going to leave one of theirs surrounded by 4 of the opposition.
The Lions 2005. When BOD was done and nothing happened I turned to an English pal and said "we'll that's it, we're going to get whitewashed".

"Oh come on, I know he's your star player but the whole tour doesn't hinge on him".

"It's not that, it's that they aren't a 'team', if they were, at least one of those fvckers would have been stretchered off after him".

Okay it's not exactly the same thing but it's close
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MrJonno wrote:
topofthemoon wrote:
rfurlong wrote:you're both missing the point (in your understandable desire to protect your player - we've all been there)

the issue isn't what Richie did after he copped a punch in the face, its what he did before he got smacked that should have seen hum in the bin for 10.

he ran in from 20m away and instigated the whole schmozzle (as barnes pointed out to the ref at the time).

he should have gotten a yellow for his troubles tbf
Genuine question - can you point me to an occasion when a player has been yellow carded for 'running in'?

I'd say the 3 other French players getting involved and starting the shoving on Haining was what escalated it from just 2 players squaring off in a dick-waving contest. There's no rugby team on the planet that's going to leave one of theirs surrounded by 4 of the opposition.
The Lions 2005. When BOD was done and nothing happened I turned to an English pal and said "we'll that's it, we're going to get whitewashed".

"Oh come on, I know he's your star player but the whole tour doesn't hinge on him".

"It's not that, it's that they aren't a 'team', if they were, at least one of those fvckers would have been stretchered off after him".

Okay it's not exactly the same thing but it's close
I realise you northern types love to indulge in some ball grabbing, ‘99 call’ thuggery but physically assaulting two blokes who simply misjudged a clean out would surely be beyond the pale even for you?
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Crash_12 wrote:Jalibert doesn’t like a tackle very much does he? The non tackling fly half is a bit of a rarity in test match rugby these days.
I got shot down on the T14 thread for suggesting that playing him at 12 was suicide because of his weak defence. :uhoh:
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Torquemada 1420 wrote:
Crash_12 wrote:Jalibert doesn’t like a tackle very much does he? The non tackling fly half is a bit of a rarity in test match rugby these days.
I got shot down on the T14 thread for suggesting that playing him at 12 was suicide because of his weak defence. :uhoh:
He's a good footballer but his hair and then his tackling did remind me of Garbajosa.
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shereblue wrote:
Torquemada 1420 wrote:
Crash_12 wrote:Jalibert doesn’t like a tackle very much does he? The non tackling fly half is a bit of a rarity in test match rugby these days.
I got shot down on the T14 thread for suggesting that playing him at 12 was suicide because of his weak defence. :uhoh:
He's a good footballer but his hair and then his tackling did remind me of Garbajosa.
Was thinking exactly the same thing. Must be the hair. Looks good going forward, but defence optional.
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topofthemoon wrote: Genuine question - can you point me to an occasion when a player has been yellow carded for 'running in'?
Running in, in itself isn't the issue. But he ran in, shovved a French player (from behind), took him down, which pushed the melee to the next level. His actions basically won the game for Scotland by getting a man sent off. You get away with what you can. But it was a clear yellow card behaviour. The officials concentrated on the worst offence, and forgot about all others.

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Pushing someone over is bad enough, but running in to do it is really shocking behaviour.
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It's great, Ritchie is fast becoming a fan favourite for us and a target for fans of lesser nations 8) 8) :smug: :smug:
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Lorthern Nights wrote:It's great, Ritchie is fast becoming a fan favourite for us and a target for fans of lesser nations 8) 8) :smug: :smug:
:lol: :lol:

I notice it's mostly Welsh and Irish doing the moaning.
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Openside wrote:
Torquemada 1420 wrote:
Frodder wrote:Haven't seen the game. Was the red a correct call?
Totally. Just as retarded as Vahaamahina against Wales.

In fact, France might have had 2 reds had the ref not gone soft on Cros's tip tackle.
I thought Cros was unlucky to be carded I agreed totally with the refs original assessment just a pen for me.
wrong French guy got the card
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Smutley wrote:
Lorthern Nights wrote:It's great, Ritchie is fast becoming a fan favourite for us and a target for fans of lesser nations 8) 8) :smug: :smug:
:lol: :lol:

I notice it's mostly Welsh and Irish doing the moaning.

I'm fuming about this decision that handed Scotland the game and has given Ireland a fighting chance at the Championship.

FUMING
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:lol:

Not you.

All set up for a great climax, shame it will be fecked by coronapish.
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Clusterfúck alright.

It's a shame they can't be played behind closed doors but money talks these days.
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You're talking millions per game. Understandable esp for the likes of Italy who aren't exactly rolling in it.

Not everyone can afford to spunk half a million on a CEO :roll:
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topofthemoon wrote: Genuine question - can you point me to an occasion when a player has been yellow carded for 'running in'?

I'd say the 3 other French players getting involved and starting the shoving on Haining was what escalated it from just 2 players squaring off in a dick-waving contest. There's no rugby team on the planet that's going to leave one of theirs surrounded by 4 of the opposition.
I can't as my memory is dreadful on specifics, but I know I've seen it at domestic level. Penalised too.

That said, we see a lot of actions in internationals now that would result in sanction at domestic level yet receive nothing or a much lesser penalty. High shots in particular are far less stringently enforced it seems. Probably due to all the whinging about players rightly being carded at the World Cup.
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naki wrote:
MrJonno wrote:
topofthemoon wrote:
rfurlong wrote:you're both missing the point (in your understandable desire to protect your player - we've all been there)

the issue isn't what Richie did after he copped a punch in the face, its what he did before he got smacked that should have seen hum in the bin for 10.

he ran in from 20m away and instigated the whole schmozzle (as barnes pointed out to the ref at the time).

he should have gotten a yellow for his troubles tbf
Genuine question - can you point me to an occasion when a player has been yellow carded for 'running in'?

I'd say the 3 other French players getting involved and starting the shoving on Haining was what escalated it from just 2 players squaring off in a dick-waving contest. There's no rugby team on the planet that's going to leave one of theirs surrounded by 4 of the opposition.
The Lions 2005. When BOD was done and nothing happened I turned to an English pal and said "we'll that's it, we're going to get whitewashed".

"Oh come on, I know he's your star player but the whole tour doesn't hinge on him".

"It's not that, it's that they aren't a 'team', if they were, at least one of those fvckers would have been stretchered off after him".

Okay it's not exactly the same thing but it's close
I realise you northern types love to indulge in some ball grabbing, ‘99 call’ thuggery but physically assaulting two blokes who simply misjudged a clean out would surely be beyond the pale even for you?
What did they misjudge ? The ball being gone from the ruck for 15 mins? Bod not actually being part of the ruck? Or the part where they smashed him into the ground upside down?
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Smutley wrote:You're talking millions per game. Understandable esp for the likes of Italy who aren't exactly rolling in it.

Not everyone can afford to spunk half a million on a CEO :roll:
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slick wrote:Great 6N day, honestly can’t remember a better day out.The French fans where brilliant, I punched a total Scottish plum just before half time who then got taken out by the police. Great all round
I was trying to work a joke about calling Ritchie a total plum but will forego that to hear more about this.
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A bit late but well done Scots, deserved win.

We bottled that game from the get-go, this young French still has a lot to learn and improve upon...
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Shirley "I didn't realise Ritchie got a police escort" would have done quite nicely?
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sockwithaticket wrote:
topofthemoon wrote: Genuine question - can you point me to an occasion when a player has been yellow carded for 'running in'?

I'd say the 3 other French players getting involved and starting the shoving on Haining was what escalated it from just 2 players squaring off in a dick-waving contest. There's no rugby team on the planet that's going to leave one of theirs surrounded by 4 of the opposition.
I can't as my memory is dreadful on specifics, but I know I've seen it at domestic level. Penalised too.

That said, we see a lot of actions in internationals now that would result in sanction at domestic level yet receive nothing or a much lesser penalty. High shots in particular are far less stringently enforced it seems. Probably due to all the whinging about players rightly being carded at the World Cup.
If he bins Ritchie, which he could have, then he should also have binned Fickou for attempting to use Ritchie as a tackle bag. I think all in all, the officials got that situation about right.
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Kid A wrote:
topofthemoon wrote: Genuine question - can you point me to an occasion when a player has been yellow carded for 'running in'?
Running in, in itself isn't the issue. But he ran in, shovved a French player (from behind), took him down, which pushed the melee to the next level. His actions basically won the game for Scotland by getting a man sent off. You get away with what you can. But it was a clear yellow card behaviour. The officials concentrated on the worst offence, and forgot about all others.

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I can imagine a ref reversing a penalty for a player getting involved when they weren't initially, but even with a shove added in (and a 2-handed shove in the back seemingly isn't even a penalty these days eg Farrell on Biggar the day before) I'd still be interested to find actual examples of a ref issuing a card for these sorts of actions.

Again I'd say the escalation has already started before Ritchie gets there - why are the other 3 French players involving themselves in a situation between Haouas and Haining? Even if they happen to be standing closer initially they still have the choice not to join in.

If Haouas doesn't take the nuclear option this is just like one of the very many pushing and shoving matches that happen at pro level during a season - it probably doesn't even rate a mention in the post match analysis or reports.
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topofthemoon wrote:
Kid A wrote:
topofthemoon wrote: Genuine question - can you point me to an occasion when a player has been yellow carded for 'running in'?
Running in, in itself isn't the issue. But he ran in, shovved a French player (from behind), took him down, which pushed the melee to the next level. His actions basically won the game for Scotland by getting a man sent off. You get away with what you can. But it was a clear yellow card behaviour. The officials concentrated on the worst offence, and forgot about all others.

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I can imagine a ref reversing a penalty for a player getting involved when they weren't initially, but even with a shove added in (and a 2-handed shove in the back seemingly isn't even a penalty these days eg Farrell on Biggar the day before) I'd still be interested to find actual examples of a ref issuing a card for these sorts of actions.

Again I'd say the escalation has already started before Ritchie gets there - why are the other 3 French players involving themselves in a situation between Haouas and Haining? Even if they happen to be standing closer initially they still have the choice not to join in.

If Haouas doesn't take the nuclear option this is just like one of the very many pushing and shoving matches that happen at pro level during a season - it probably doesn't even rate a mention in the post match analysis or reports.
It's interesting isn't it.

The acceptability to join in seems to be getting judged by how close to the incident they were.

Clearly on that basis Richie should have allowed Haining to face off the three french chaps on his own, makes perfect sense.
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topofthemoon wrote:
Kid A wrote:
topofthemoon wrote: Genuine question - can you point me to an occasion when a player has been yellow carded for 'running in'?
Running in, in itself isn't the issue. But he ran in, shovved a French player (from behind), took him down, which pushed the melee to the next level. His actions basically won the game for Scotland by getting a man sent off. You get away with what you can. But it was a clear yellow card behaviour. The officials concentrated on the worst offence, and forgot about all others.

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I can imagine a ref reversing a penalty for a player getting involved when they weren't initially, but even with a shove added in (and a 2-handed shove in the back seemingly isn't even a penalty these days eg Farrell on Biggar the day before) I'd still be interested to find actual examples of a ref issuing a card for these sorts of actions.

Again I'd say the escalation has already started before Ritchie gets there - why are the other 3 French players involving themselves in a situation between Haouas and Haining? Even if they happen to be standing closer initially they still have the choice not to join in.

If Haouas doesn't take the nuclear option this is just like one of the very many pushing and shoving matches that happen at pro level during a season - it probably doesn't even rate a mention in the post match analysis or reports.
Haining might be cited for eye-gouging btw, Haouas punched him after.
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Torquemada 1420 wrote:
Crash_12 wrote:Jalibert doesn’t like a tackle very much does he? The non tackling fly half is a bit of a rarity in test match rugby these days.
I got shot down on the T14 thread for suggesting that playing him at 12 was suicide because of his weak defence. :uhoh:
I don't remember so... I think that people rather pointed out that Carbonel and Jalibert are pure 10, where Ntamack is the only one who can play 10 and 12...
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ticketlessinseattle wrote:
Openside wrote:
Torquemada 1420 wrote:
Frodder wrote:Haven't seen the game. Was the red a correct call?
Totally. Just as retarded as Vahaamahina against Wales.

In fact, France might have had 2 reds had the ref not gone soft on Cros's tip tackle.
I thought Cros was unlucky to be carded I agreed totally with the refs original assessment just a pen for me.
wrong French guy got the card
The other guy is not French.
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lexpat wrote:
topofthemoon wrote:
Kid A wrote:
topofthemoon wrote: Genuine question - can you point me to an occasion when a player has been yellow carded for 'running in'?
Running in, in itself isn't the issue. But he ran in, shovved a French player (from behind), took him down, which pushed the melee to the next level. His actions basically won the game for Scotland by getting a man sent off. You get away with what you can. But it was a clear yellow card behaviour. The officials concentrated on the worst offence, and forgot about all others.

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I can imagine a ref reversing a penalty for a player getting involved when they weren't initially, but even with a shove added in (and a 2-handed shove in the back seemingly isn't even a penalty these days eg Farrell on Biggar the day before) I'd still be interested to find actual examples of a ref issuing a card for these sorts of actions.

Again I'd say the escalation has already started before Ritchie gets there - why are the other 3 French players involving themselves in a situation between Haouas and Haining? Even if they happen to be standing closer initially they still have the choice not to join in.

If Haouas doesn't take the nuclear option this is just like one of the very many pushing and shoving matches that happen at pro level during a season - it probably doesn't even rate a mention in the post match analysis or reports.
Haining might be cited for eye-gouging btw, Haouas punched him after.
The charge would be contact with the eye area rather than gouging based on footage, but we've definitely had players banned for what Haining did.
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topofthemoon wrote:
Kid A wrote:
topofthemoon wrote: Genuine question - can you point me to an occasion when a player has been yellow carded for 'running in'?
Running in, in itself isn't the issue. But he ran in, shovved a French player (from behind), took him down, which pushed the melee to the next level. His actions basically won the game for Scotland by getting a man sent off. You get away with what you can. But it was a clear yellow card behaviour. The officials concentrated on the worst offence, and forgot about all others.

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I can imagine a ref reversing a penalty for a player getting involved when they weren't initially, but even with a shove added in (and a 2-handed shove in the back seemingly isn't even a penalty these days eg Farrell on Biggar the day before) I'd still be interested to find actual examples of a ref issuing a card for these sorts of actions.

Again I'd say the escalation has already started before Ritchie gets there - why are the other 3 French players involving themselves in a situation between Haouas and Haining? Even if they happen to be standing closer initially they still have the choice not to join in.

If Haouas doesn't take the nuclear option this is just like one of the very many pushing and shoving matches that happen at pro level during a season - it probably doesn't even rate a mention in the post match analysis or reports.
The French need to go on an "arms waving and dropping dead" workshop in Ireland, where they learn from the like of Sexton and Murray. This is far more clever than the Haouas nuclear option.

Just take a dive and pretend to die on the floor. Instead of being a dick and getting sent off, you act like a dick but may get the penalty your way.


French nerves are the underlying issue, have always been and this is where Galthie has most work to do. As I wrote above, from the 5th minute and even before the Cros yellow card, you knew the French were not in this game.
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Re: 6N R4 - Scotland v France, Auld Alliance Virus Exchange

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sockwithaticket wrote:
lexpat wrote:
Haining might be cited for eye-gouging btw, Haouas punched him after.
The charge would be contact with the eye area rather than gouging based on footage, but we've definitely had players banned for what Haining did.
And also the sanction against the French prop could be lighter
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