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England looking a bit amateurish here - Marko in self isolation for CONV19.
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Reports that Biggar, Navidi, North and Liam to play against England.
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LandOTurk wrote:Reports that Biggar, Navidi, North and Liam to play against England.
The arrogance of Wales to only pick 4 players... they are clear favourites
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kiwigreg369 wrote:England looking a bit amateurish here - Marko in self isolation for CONV19.
No need to add risk by bringing him in.
Apparently Sarries have seen fit to allow him to train.
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message #2527204 wrote:
kiwigreg369 wrote:England looking a bit amateurish here - Marko in self isolation for CONV19.
No need to add risk by bringing him in.
Apparently Sarries have seen fit to allow him to train.
Imagine them not following protocols...
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LandOTurk wrote:Reports that Biggar, Navidi, North and Liam to play against England.
1/2p, North and Sanjay as our back 3. What can possibly go wrong
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DragsterDriver wrote:
message #2527204 wrote:
kiwigreg369 wrote:England looking a bit amateurish here - Marko in self isolation for CONV19.
No need to add risk by bringing him in.
Apparently Sarries have seen fit to allow him to train.
Imagine them not following protocols...
He may play for Sarries at the weekend


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Raggs wrote:
henry wrote:England aren’t very good and are appalling under pressure.

If we can play at 75% of our potential and stay within touching distance with 20 to go, I’ll fancy our chances.

That said, we’re playing at less than 50% of our potential at the moment and if injuries denude of a world class 10 and two Lions quality wingers, could be a tough day at the office. Decent development opportunity nonetheless.
Can I get some percentages on this please? Or are we not very good at 100% (and what's our percentage in terms of potential as well), in which case, I just need to know what % we lose from that with the pressure.

Will there be pressure from the start of the game, or only if Wales are winning?
No problem.

When England are at 100% of their potential, they are a decent side as they proved by catching an undercooked NZ on the hop at the RWC. Free from expectation, the boys in white put in a very impressive performance and were well worth their win.

However, the burden of expectation can weigh heavy on Farrell and co. One only has to look at the final, where pressure and the prospect of a career-defining victory strangled the side and they managed to play only at 90% of their potential and got battered by a battle-hardened SA.

Similar dynamics have been at play in the 6N. The Saes don’t like it up ‘em. They crumbled against Scotland at home last season as soon as the Jocks got their dander up and started playing half decent rugby. Same goes against Wales in Cardiff last season. And, of course, at the 2015 RWC. I don’t know if it’s a soft underbelly or a lack of match intelligence but they struggle to close out games in the crucible of high pressure test match rugby.

Then again, there’s not much riding on this game - dead championship in most respects - so expect them to play with a little more freedom and composure.

A 90% England at home should beat a 50% Wales. I think.
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Can't argue with science.
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henry wrote:
Raggs wrote:
henry wrote:England aren’t very good and are appalling under pressure.

If we can play at 75% of our potential and stay within touching distance with 20 to go, I’ll fancy our chances.

That said, we’re playing at less than 50% of our potential at the moment and if injuries denude of a world class 10 and two Lions quality wingers, could be a tough day at the office. Decent development opportunity nonetheless.
Can I get some percentages on this please? Or are we not very good at 100% (and what's our percentage in terms of potential as well), in which case, I just need to know what % we lose from that with the pressure.

Will there be pressure from the start of the game, or only if Wales are winning?
No problem.

When England are at 100% of their potential, they are a decent side as they proved by catching an undercooked NZ on the hop at the RWC. Free from expectation, the boys in white put in a very impressive performance and were well worth their win.

However, the burden of expectation can weigh heavy on Farrell and co. One only has to look at the final, where pressure and the prospect of a career-defining victory strangled the side and they managed to play only at 90% of their potential and got battered by a battle-hardened SA.

Similar dynamics have been at play in the 6N. The Saes don’t like it up ‘em. They crumbled against Scotland at home last season as soon as the Jocks got their dander up and started playing half decent rugby. Same goes against Wales in Cardiff last season. And, of course, at the 2015 RWC. I don’t know if it’s a soft underbelly or a lack of match intelligence but they struggle to close out games in the crucible of high pressure test match rugby.

Then again, there’s not much riding on this game - dead championship in most respects - so expect them to play with a little more freedom and composure.

A 90% England at home should beat a 50% Wales. I think.
Let's see how many you hook with that bait H
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AND-y wrote:Can't argue with science.
I think Henners is 100% right a 50% of the time.
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I just hope Wales put in the effort, if they do that and lose well then that's fair enough.
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Frodder wrote:
henry wrote:
Raggs wrote:
henry wrote:England aren’t very good and are appalling under pressure.

If we can play at 75% of our potential and stay within touching distance with 20 to go, I’ll fancy our chances.

That said, we’re playing at less than 50% of our potential at the moment and if injuries denude of a world class 10 and two Lions quality wingers, could be a tough day at the office. Decent development opportunity nonetheless.
Can I get some percentages on this please? Or are we not very good at 100% (and what's our percentage in terms of potential as well), in which case, I just need to know what % we lose from that with the pressure.

Will there be pressure from the start of the game, or only if Wales are winning?
No problem.

When England are at 100% of their potential, they are a decent side as they proved by catching an undercooked NZ on the hop at the RWC. Free from expectation, the boys in white put in a very impressive performance and were well worth their win.

However, the burden of expectation can weigh heavy on Farrell and co. One only has to look at the final, where pressure and the prospect of a career-defining victory strangled the side and they managed to play only at 90% of their potential and got battered by a battle-hardened SA.

Similar dynamics have been at play in the 6N. The Saes don’t like it up ‘em. They crumbled against Scotland at home last season as soon as the Jocks got their dander up and started playing half decent rugby. Same goes against Wales in Cardiff last season. And, of course, at the 2015 RWC. I don’t know if it’s a soft underbelly or a lack of match intelligence but they struggle to close out games in the crucible of high pressure test match rugby.

Then again, there’s not much riding on this game - dead championship in most respects - so expect them to play with a little more freedom and composure.

A 90% England at home should beat a 50% Wales. I think.
Let's see how many you hook with that bait H
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AND-y wrote:Can't argue with science.
There are massive threads about climate change that would say different.
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henry wrote:
Raggs wrote:
henry wrote:England aren’t very good and are appalling under pressure.

If we can play at 75% of our potential and stay within touching distance with 20 to go, I’ll fancy our chances.

That said, we’re playing at less than 50% of our potential at the moment and if injuries denude of a world class 10 and two Lions quality wingers, could be a tough day at the office. Decent development opportunity nonetheless.
Can I get some percentages on this please? Or are we not very good at 100% (and what's our percentage in terms of potential as well), in which case, I just need to know what % we lose from that with the pressure.

Will there be pressure from the start of the game, or only if Wales are winning?
No problem.

When England are at 100% of their potential, they are a decent side as they proved by catching an undercooked NZ on the hop at the RWC. Free from expectation, the boys in white put in a very impressive performance and were well worth their win.

However, the burden of expectation can weigh heavy on Farrell and co. One only has to look at the final, where pressure and the prospect of a career-defining victory strangled the side and they managed to play only at 90% of their potential and got battered by a battle-hardened SA.

Similar dynamics have been at play in the 6N. The Saes don’t like it up ‘em. They crumbled against Scotland at home last season as soon as the Jocks got their dander up and started playing half decent rugby. Same goes against Wales in Cardiff last season. And, of course, at the 2015 RWC. I don’t know if it’s a soft underbelly or a lack of match intelligence but they struggle to close out games in the crucible of high pressure test match rugby.

Then again, there’s not much riding on this game - dead championship in most respects - so expect them to play with a little more freedom and composure.

A 90% England at home should beat a 50% Wales. I think.
:thumbup: :thumbup:

Can I ask what's been holding back Wales from even getting to 75% of their potential (which in theory is world cup winning levels, if I've got the maths more or less right).
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Raggs wrote:
henry wrote:
Raggs wrote:
henry wrote:England aren’t very good and are appalling under pressure.

If we can play at 75% of our potential and stay within touching distance with 20 to go, I’ll fancy our chances.

That said, we’re playing at less than 50% of our potential at the moment and if injuries denude of a world class 10 and two Lions quality wingers, could be a tough day at the office. Decent development opportunity nonetheless.
Can I get some percentages on this please? Or are we not very good at 100% (and what's our percentage in terms of potential as well), in which case, I just need to know what % we lose from that with the pressure.

Will there be pressure from the start of the game, or only if Wales are winning?
No problem.

When England are at 100% of their potential, they are a decent side as they proved by catching an undercooked NZ on the hop at the RWC. Free from expectation, the boys in white put in a very impressive performance and were well worth their win.

However, the burden of expectation can weigh heavy on Farrell and co. One only has to look at the final, where pressure and the prospect of a career-defining victory strangled the side and they managed to play only at 90% of their potential and got battered by a battle-hardened SA.

Similar dynamics have been at play in the 6N. The Saes don’t like it up ‘em. They crumbled against Scotland at home last season as soon as the Jocks got their dander up and started playing half decent rugby. Same goes against Wales in Cardiff last season. And, of course, at the 2015 RWC. I don’t know if it’s a soft underbelly or a lack of match intelligence but they struggle to close out games in the crucible of high pressure test match rugby.

Then again, there’s not much riding on this game - dead championship in most respects - so expect them to play with a little more freedom and composure.

A 90% England at home should beat a 50% Wales. I think.
:thumbup: :thumbup:

Can I ask what's been holding back Wales from even getting to 75% of their potential (which in theory is world cup winning levels, if I've got the maths more or less right).
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LandOTurk wrote:Reports that Biggar, Navidi, North and Liam to play against England.
:uhoh:
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Navidi Back at 6 will be a huge boost, I would put Tips at 7 and Moriarty at 8, Toby is not playing well, England should be huge favourites for this 15 20 point margin, but they do have the knack of collapsing, Wales will need to put the chances they are creating away, if they don't then England will just out power them.
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happyhooker wrote:My 350ml hipflask is more than sufficient
Indeed!
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sockwithaticket wrote:
LandOTurk wrote:Reports that Biggar, Navidi, North and Liam to play against England.
:uhoh:
He should have retired a while ago.
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Plato'sCave wrote:
sockwithaticket wrote:
LandOTurk wrote:Reports that Biggar, Navidi, North and Liam to play against England.
:uhoh:
He should have retired a while ago.
Correct, it's irresponsible playing him now.
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slick wrote:
happyhooker wrote:My 350ml hipflask is more than sufficient
Indeed!
Anything that got us through that game is a miracle worker
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Clive wrote:Navidi Back at 6 will be a huge boost
Back was more of a 7 and, historically, more of an English type.
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Well, this is the first 6N match I will be attending live since that lunatic match vs France in 2015. Hope it's as entertaining.
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terryfinch wrote:Going to Twickers for this. 8)
I may have just wangled a ticket too - find out tomorrow. If so, think I'll go to the women's game at the stop beforehand
Not my cup of tea the wimmins game but I'm sure they do some nice draught in the Stoop.
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The Man Without Fear wrote:Well, this is the first 6N match I will be attending live since that lunatic match vs France in 2015. Hope it's as entertaining.
2015 - shit that was some final day. The best finale of any 5/6Ns
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Will the 'Welsh' boys know which anthem to sing?
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Sympathy bump
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Things have come to a fine pass when an England-Wales thread is struggling to muster more posts than a Scotland-France one.

Only 2 pages so far...

We'd be in double figures if the Welsh were confident.
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Or if this 6 Nations was a vintage one
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iarmhiman wrote:Or if this 6 Nations was a vintage one
Correct, CVOID-19 has meant reduced post. For shame :thumbup:
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MrDominator wrote:Things have come to a fine pass when an England-Wales thread is struggling to muster more posts than a Scotland-France one.

Only 2 pages so far...

We'd be in double figures if the Welsh were confident.
It's the least important Wales V England game since 2007. Nothing at stake really.
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Meh.
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What's the u20s score?
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Really do not care a feck about this game.

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Wales U20’s winning :!:

5-14 HT
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Crash_12 wrote:Wales U20’s winning :!:

5-14 HT
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Welsh 9 doesn’t even know the rules :x
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Well done dragon eggs. :thumbup:
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Frodder wrote:
Plato'sCave wrote:
sockwithaticket wrote:
LandOTurk wrote:Reports that Biggar, Navidi, North and Liam to play against England.
:uhoh:
He should have retired a while ago.
Correct, it's irresponsible playing him now.
That's putting it mildly :((

I don't know how a player; with his history, & so obviously sparked out last time out, can be back available for selection.
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