Non-Vintage 6N: The Orcs Vs Injury hit Wayuls - Match fred

kiwigreg369 · Post by **kiwigreg369** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:19 am

England looking a bit amateurish here - Marko in self isolation for CONV19.

LandOTurk · Post by **LandOTurk** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:21 am

Reports that Biggar, Navidi, North and Liam to play against England.

blindcider · Post by **blindcider** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:07 am

LandOTurk wrote:Reports that Biggar, Navidi, North and Liam to play against England.

The arrogance of Wales to only pick 4 players... they are clear favourites

message #2527204 · Post by **message #2527204** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:46 am

kiwigreg369 wrote:England looking a bit amateurish here - Marko in self isolation for CONV19.

No need to add risk by bringing him in.
Apparently Sarries have seen fit to allow him to train.

DragsterDriver · Post by **DragsterDriver** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:47 am

message #2527204 wrote:
kiwigreg369 wrote:England looking a bit amateurish here - Marko in self isolation for CONV19.
No need to add risk by bringing him in.
Apparently Sarries have seen fit to allow him to train.

Imagine them not following protocols...

Frodder · Post by **Frodder** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:35 am

LandOTurk wrote:Reports that Biggar, Navidi, North and Liam to play against England.

1/2p, North and Sanjay as our back 3. What can possibly go wrong

C69 · Post by **C69** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:37 am

DragsterDriver wrote:
message #2527204 wrote:
kiwigreg369 wrote:England looking a bit amateurish here - Marko in self isolation for CONV19.
No need to add risk by bringing him in.
Apparently Sarries have seen fit to allow him to train.
Imagine them not following protocols...

He may play for Sarries at the weekend

henry · Post by **henry** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:38 am

Raggs wrote:
henry wrote:England aren’t very good and are appalling under pressure.

If we can play at 75% of our potential and stay within touching distance with 20 to go, I’ll fancy our chances.

That said, we’re playing at less than 50% of our potential at the moment and if injuries denude of a world class 10 and two Lions quality wingers, could be a tough day at the office. Decent development opportunity nonetheless.
Can I get some percentages on this please? Or are we not very good at 100% (and what's our percentage in terms of potential as well), in which case, I just need to know what % we lose from that with the pressure.

Will there be pressure from the start of the game, or only if Wales are winning?

No problem.

When England are at 100% of their potential, they are a decent side as they proved by catching an undercooked NZ on the hop at the RWC. Free from expectation, the boys in white put in a very impressive performance and were well worth their win.

However, the burden of expectation can weigh heavy on Farrell and co. One only has to look at the final, where pressure and the prospect of a career-defining victory strangled the side and they managed to play only at 90% of their potential and got battered by a battle-hardened SA.

Similar dynamics have been at play in the 6N. The Saes don’t like it up ‘em. They crumbled against Scotland at home last season as soon as the Jocks got their dander up and started playing half decent rugby. Same goes against Wales in Cardiff last season. And, of course, at the 2015 RWC. I don’t know if it’s a soft underbelly or a lack of match intelligence but they struggle to close out games in the crucible of high pressure test match rugby.

Then again, there’s not much riding on this game - dead championship in most respects - so expect them to play with a little more freedom and composure.

A 90% England at home should beat a 50% Wales. I think.

AND-y · Post by **AND-y** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:40 am

Can't argue with science.

Frodder · Post by **Frodder** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:57 am

henry wrote:
Raggs wrote:
henry wrote:England aren’t very good and are appalling under pressure.

If we can play at 75% of our potential and stay within touching distance with 20 to go, I’ll fancy our chances.

That said, we’re playing at less than 50% of our potential at the moment and if injuries denude of a world class 10 and two Lions quality wingers, could be a tough day at the office. Decent development opportunity nonetheless.
Can I get some percentages on this please? Or are we not very good at 100% (and what's our percentage in terms of potential as well), in which case, I just need to know what % we lose from that with the pressure.

Will there be pressure from the start of the game, or only if Wales are winning?
No problem.

When England are at 100% of their potential, they are a decent side as they proved by catching an undercooked NZ on the hop at the RWC. Free from expectation, the boys in white put in a very impressive performance and were well worth their win.

However, the burden of expectation can weigh heavy on Farrell and co. One only has to look at the final, where pressure and the prospect of a career-defining victory strangled the side and they managed to play only at 90% of their potential and got battered by a battle-hardened SA.

Similar dynamics have been at play in the 6N. The Saes don’t like it up ‘em. They crumbled against Scotland at home last season as soon as the Jocks got their dander up and started playing half decent rugby. Same goes against Wales in Cardiff last season. And, of course, at the 2015 RWC. I don’t know if it’s a soft underbelly or a lack of match intelligence but they struggle to close out games in the crucible of high pressure test match rugby.

Then again, there’s not much riding on this game - dead championship in most respects - so expect them to play with a little more freedom and composure.

A 90% England at home should beat a 50% Wales. I think.

Let's see how many you hook with that bait H

Jeff the Bear · Post by **Jeff the Bear** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:03 am

AND-y wrote:Can't argue with science.

I think Henners is 100% right a 50% of the time.

bessantj · Post by **bessantj** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:05 am

I just hope Wales put in the effort, if they do that and lose well then that's fair enough.

happyhooker · Post by **happyhooker** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:06 am

Frodder wrote:
henry wrote:
Raggs wrote:
henry wrote:England aren’t very good and are appalling under pressure.

If we can play at 75% of our potential and stay within touching distance with 20 to go, I’ll fancy our chances.

That said, we’re playing at less than 50% of our potential at the moment and if injuries denude of a world class 10 and two Lions quality wingers, could be a tough day at the office. Decent development opportunity nonetheless.
Can I get some percentages on this please? Or are we not very good at 100% (and what's our percentage in terms of potential as well), in which case, I just need to know what % we lose from that with the pressure.

Will there be pressure from the start of the game, or only if Wales are winning?
No problem.

When England are at 100% of their potential, they are a decent side as they proved by catching an undercooked NZ on the hop at the RWC. Free from expectation, the boys in white put in a very impressive performance and were well worth their win.

However, the burden of expectation can weigh heavy on Farrell and co. One only has to look at the final, where pressure and the prospect of a career-defining victory strangled the side and they managed to play only at 90% of their potential and got battered by a battle-hardened SA.

Similar dynamics have been at play in the 6N. The Saes don’t like it up ‘em. They crumbled against Scotland at home last season as soon as the Jocks got their dander up and started playing half decent rugby. Same goes against Wales in Cardiff last season. And, of course, at the 2015 RWC. I don’t know if it’s a soft underbelly or a lack of match intelligence but they struggle to close out games in the crucible of high pressure test match rugby.

Then again, there’s not much riding on this game - dead championship in most respects - so expect them to play with a little more freedom and composure.

A 90% England at home should beat a 50% Wales. I think.
Let's see how many you hook with that bait H

Well that's like blasting an airhorn just behind an angler who's just cast out.

(Which can be remarkably amusing and end up with your mate falling in a river)

The Man Without Fear · Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:21 am

AND-y wrote:Can't argue with science.

There are massive threads about climate change that would say different.

Raggs · Post by **Raggs** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:28 am

henry wrote:
Raggs wrote:
henry wrote:England aren’t very good and are appalling under pressure.

If we can play at 75% of our potential and stay within touching distance with 20 to go, I’ll fancy our chances.

That said, we’re playing at less than 50% of our potential at the moment and if injuries denude of a world class 10 and two Lions quality wingers, could be a tough day at the office. Decent development opportunity nonetheless.
Can I get some percentages on this please? Or are we not very good at 100% (and what's our percentage in terms of potential as well), in which case, I just need to know what % we lose from that with the pressure.

Will there be pressure from the start of the game, or only if Wales are winning?
No problem.

When England are at 100% of their potential, they are a decent side as they proved by catching an undercooked NZ on the hop at the RWC. Free from expectation, the boys in white put in a very impressive performance and were well worth their win.

However, the burden of expectation can weigh heavy on Farrell and co. One only has to look at the final, where pressure and the prospect of a career-defining victory strangled the side and they managed to play only at 90% of their potential and got battered by a battle-hardened SA.

Similar dynamics have been at play in the 6N. The Saes don’t like it up ‘em. They crumbled against Scotland at home last season as soon as the Jocks got their dander up and started playing half decent rugby. Same goes against Wales in Cardiff last season. And, of course, at the 2015 RWC. I don’t know if it’s a soft underbelly or a lack of match intelligence but they struggle to close out games in the crucible of high pressure test match rugby.

Then again, there’s not much riding on this game - dead championship in most respects - so expect them to play with a little more freedom and composure.

A 90% England at home should beat a 50% Wales. I think.

Can I ask what's been holding back Wales from even getting to 75% of their potential (which in theory is world cup winning levels, if I've got the maths more or less right).

bessantj · Post by **bessantj** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:50 am

Raggs wrote:
henry wrote:
Raggs wrote:
henry wrote:England aren’t very good and are appalling under pressure.

If we can play at 75% of our potential and stay within touching distance with 20 to go, I’ll fancy our chances.

That said, we’re playing at less than 50% of our potential at the moment and if injuries denude of a world class 10 and two Lions quality wingers, could be a tough day at the office. Decent development opportunity nonetheless.
Can I get some percentages on this please? Or are we not very good at 100% (and what's our percentage in terms of potential as well), in which case, I just need to know what % we lose from that with the pressure.

Will there be pressure from the start of the game, or only if Wales are winning?
No problem.

When England are at 100% of their potential, they are a decent side as they proved by catching an undercooked NZ on the hop at the RWC. Free from expectation, the boys in white put in a very impressive performance and were well worth their win.

However, the burden of expectation can weigh heavy on Farrell and co. One only has to look at the final, where pressure and the prospect of a career-defining victory strangled the side and they managed to play only at 90% of their potential and got battered by a battle-hardened SA.

Similar dynamics have been at play in the 6N. The Saes don’t like it up ‘em. They crumbled against Scotland at home last season as soon as the Jocks got their dander up and started playing half decent rugby. Same goes against Wales in Cardiff last season. And, of course, at the 2015 RWC. I don’t know if it’s a soft underbelly or a lack of match intelligence but they struggle to close out games in the crucible of high pressure test match rugby.

Then again, there’s not much riding on this game - dead championship in most respects - so expect them to play with a little more freedom and composure.

A 90% England at home should beat a 50% Wales. I think.

Can I ask what's been holding back Wales from even getting to 75% of their potential (which in theory is world cup winning levels, if I've got the maths more or less right).

COVID-19

sockwithaticket · Post by **sockwithaticket** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:21 am

LandOTurk wrote:Reports that Biggar, Navidi, North and Liam to play against England.

Clive · Post by **Clive** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:56 am

Navidi Back at 6 will be a huge boost, I would put Tips at 7 and Moriarty at 8, Toby is not playing well, England should be huge favourites for this 15 20 point margin, but they do have the knack of collapsing, Wales will need to put the chances they are creating away, if they don't then England will just out power them.

slick · Post by **slick** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:36 pm

happyhooker wrote:My 350ml hipflask is more than sufficient

Indeed!

Plato'sCave · Post by **Plato'sCave** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:07 pm

sockwithaticket wrote:
LandOTurk wrote:Reports that Biggar, Navidi, North and Liam to play against England.

He should have retired a while ago.

Frodder · Post by **Frodder** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:09 pm

Plato'sCave wrote:
sockwithaticket wrote:
LandOTurk wrote:Reports that Biggar, Navidi, North and Liam to play against England.

He should have retired a while ago.

Correct, it's irresponsible playing him now.

happyhooker · Post by **happyhooker** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:30 pm

slick wrote:
happyhooker wrote:My 350ml hipflask is more than sufficient
Indeed!

Anything that got us through that game is a miracle worker

Short Man Syndrome · Post by **Short Man Syndrome** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:47 pm

Clive wrote:Navidi Back at 6 will be a huge boost

Back was more of a 7 and, historically, more of an English type.

The Man Without Fear · Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:52 pm

Well, this is the first 6N match I will be attending live since that lunatic match vs France in 2015. Hope it's as entertaining.

danny_fitz · Post by **danny_fitz** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:01 pm

Derwyn wrote:
happyhooker wrote:
terryfinch wrote:Going to Twickers for this.
I may have just wangled a ticket too - find out tomorrow. If so, think I'll go to the women's game at the stop beforehand
Not my cup of tea the wimmins game but I'm sure they do some nice draught in the Stoop.

If you mean 'nice draught' to be a fetid pint of yeasty bag lady c*nt juice then you are right.

Frodder · Post by **Frodder** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:30 pm

The Man Without Fear wrote:Well, this is the first 6N match I will be attending live since that lunatic match vs France in 2015. Hope it's as entertaining.

2015 - shit that was some final day. The best finale of any 5/6Ns

MrDominator · Post by **MrDominator** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:10 pm

Will the 'Welsh' boys know which anthem to sing?

Spoiler: show

Frodder · Post by **Frodder** » Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:17 pm

Sympathy bump

MrDominator · Post by **MrDominator** » Fri Mar 06, 2020 4:56 pm

Things have come to a fine pass when an England-Wales thread is struggling to muster more posts than a Scotland-France one.

Only 2 pages so far...

We'd be in double figures if the Welsh were confident.

iarmhiman · Post by **iarmhiman** » Fri Mar 06, 2020 4:59 pm

Or if this 6 Nations was a vintage one

Frodder · Post by **Frodder** » Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:38 pm

iarmhiman wrote:Or if this 6 Nations was a vintage one

Correct, CVOID-19 has meant reduced post. For shame

New guy · Post by **New guy** » Fri Mar 06, 2020 6:54 pm

MrDominator wrote:Things have come to a fine pass when an England-Wales thread is struggling to muster more posts than a Scotland-France one.

Only 2 pages so far...

We'd be in double figures if the Welsh were confident.

It's the least important Wales V England game since 2007. Nothing at stake really.

Crash_12 · Post by **Crash_12** » Fri Mar 06, 2020 9:28 pm

Clive Simms · Post by **Clive Simms** » Fri Mar 06, 2020 9:30 pm

What's the u20s score?

C69 · Post by **C69** » Fri Mar 06, 2020 9:33 pm

Really do not care a feck about this game.

Meh

Crash_12 · Post by **Crash_12** » Fri Mar 06, 2020 9:35 pm

Wales U20’s winning

5-14 HT

Druid · Post by **Druid** » Fri Mar 06, 2020 9:39 pm

Crash_12 wrote:Wales U20’s winning

5-14 HT

Crash_12 · Post by **Crash_12** » Fri Mar 06, 2020 10:04 pm

Welsh 9 doesn’t even know the rules

Plato'sCave · Post by **Plato'sCave** » Fri Mar 06, 2020 10:39 pm

Well done dragon eggs.

fishfoodie · Post by **fishfoodie** » Fri Mar 06, 2020 10:41 pm

Frodder wrote:
Plato'sCave wrote:
sockwithaticket wrote:
LandOTurk wrote:Reports that Biggar, Navidi, North and Liam to play against England.

He should have retired a while ago.
Correct, it's irresponsible playing him now.

That's putting it mildly

I don't know how a player; with his history, & so obviously sparked out last time out, can be back available for selection.