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    ox wagon wrote:
    sorCrer wrote:It's OX FFS, he has a better side step than Kolbe who by the way Ox didn't want near our Boks. :nod:
    You need the vision to have a side step, see the gap, anticipate the movement of players around you.

    For example, my vision tells me you are back on SA Twitter. I could always see you coming kms away, as soon as I entered any website.
    Yes, I know you stalk me. :lol: Also, you're not the only one. 8)
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    A mates wife has been diagnosed with C19. :(
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    assfly wrote:
    Sards wrote:Full business plan...designs done...the lot....just difficult for me to assist and run Steel-line...
    Good stuff. It's amazing how many people jump into this line of business without one, and not fully understanding their market.

    well proposal is submitted to landlord....made the time this morning to sit down with the missus and run through it. Lets see how this develops.
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    Sandstorm wrote:
    handyman wrote:Ox always makes a lot of sense when he's not posting about the saarks.
    Ox posted that? I thought I was reading another of Sard’s moans about the lockdown.

    fudge me...old age is drying out your vagina chief...no Sauce left there...which sort of validates ' SANDYVAGINA "

    I am the only one talking about whats happening on the ground and the impact on business...
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    sorCrer wrote:
      ox wagon wrote:
      sorCrer wrote:It's OX FFS, he has a better side step than Kolbe who by the way Ox didn't want near our Boks. :nod:
      You need the vision to have a side step, see the gap, anticipate the movement of players around you.

      For example, my vision tells me you are back on SA Twitter. I could always see you coming kms away, as soon as I entered any website.
      Yes, I know you stalk me. :lol: Also, you're not the only one. 8)

      Not me...thats for sure...really cannot be bothered.

      btw the missus got an app running and there is just some fine tuning...like remembering details so its easier to fill in....but otherwise all good.
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      handyman wrote:
      ox wagon wrote:Sardy is a legendary poster. I formed the "brains trust" with him and Nipper, Nipper stormed out for reasons. Sardy remained in the programme. Sardy made crazy calls that paid off like backing AE. Nipper, without the "brains trust", unfortunately failed.

      Not surprising Sardy got the lockdown right, it was a "brains trust" move.
      Well, he must have called it right at least once, because every 5 minutes he had a different opinion about it.
      Your whining is pathetic. That's why no matter how hard you try you could never be a part of the Saffer influencers on the board. But keep the dream alive dude...

      You at your absolute worst could not touch the likes of Ox , myself and Rubberstamp...We are and will go down in the history of the board as having the biggest SAFFER influence. Ox got me posting on PR...responding....
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      Internet influencers are fickle deluded fokers.
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      Average Joe wrote:Internet influencers are fickle deluded fokers.

      :lol:


      I wouldn't expect anything different from you.
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      sorCrer wrote:A mates wife has been diagnosed with C19. :(
      One of my mates suffered a stroke start of lockdown because of the stress of his financial position and the effects of lockdown...lost half his movement...speech and dignity...still praying for his recovery. Has had a huge impact on his family as he was a sole proprietor...Not only that...his wife lost her job too...she cannot even tell him yet for fear of a relapse...they are living on savings...it was very difficult for us all to see him as that bloke always ready for some fun and part of the dad's cliche that did everything they could for his sons sporting career. He is still a full man to us but you can imagine the children.
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      Sards wrote:
      sorCrer wrote:
        ox wagon wrote:
        sorCrer wrote:It's OX FFS, he has a better side step than Kolbe who by the way Ox didn't want near our Boks. :nod:
        You need the vision to have a side step, see the gap, anticipate the movement of players around you.

        For example, my vision tells me you are back on SA Twitter. I could always see you coming kms away, as soon as I entered any website.
        Yes, I know you stalk me. :lol: Also, you're not the only one. 8)

        Not me...thats for sure...really cannot be bothered.

        btw the missus got an app running and there is just some fine tuning...like remembering details so its easier to fill in....but otherwise all good.
        No old Nips was stalking me :lol:
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        sorCrer wrote:
        Sards wrote:
        sorCrer wrote:
          ox wagon wrote:
          sorCrer wrote:It's OX FFS, he has a better side step than Kolbe who by the way Ox didn't want near our Boks. :nod:
          You need the vision to have a side step, see the gap, anticipate the movement of players around you.

          For example, my vision tells me you are back on SA Twitter. I could always see you coming kms away, as soon as I entered any website.
          Yes, I know you stalk me. :lol: Also, you're not the only one. 8)

          Not me...thats for sure...really cannot be bothered.

          btw the missus got an app running and there is just some fine tuning...like remembering details so its easier to fill in....but otherwise all good.
          No old Nips was stalking me :lol:
          I thought about looking Nips up but then realised I couldn't be arsed...so I don't even know what he looks like...I know his name is Michael....thanks to him. Don't have time for his attitude.
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          Sards wrote:
          I am the only one talking about whats happening on the ground and the impact on business...
          Thank goodness you're here to tell us all how a global lockdown can impact business. Without your insight and unique knowledge of business on the ground in 2020, we'd all be lost!

          Bless you Eggman.
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          Sandstorm wrote:
          Sards wrote:
          I am the only one talking about whats happening on the ground and the impact on business...
          Thank goodness you're here to tell us all how a global lockdown can impact business. Without your insight and unique knowledge of business on the ground in 2020, we'd all be lost!

          Bless you Eggman.
          I see sarcasm is catching. :P
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          Sandstorm wrote:
          Sards wrote:
          I am the only one talking about whats happening on the ground and the impact on business...
          Thank goodness you're here to tell us all how a global lockdown can impact business. Without your insight and unique knowledge of business on the ground in 2020, we'd all be lost!

          Bless you Eggman.
          Girl...you on the monthly.
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          So countries close to ending Covid19 are being reinfected. There is no escape from it. Just a delay at best.
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          The aim of the lockdown was to prevent the medical facilities to have more than they could handle. Now that the lockdown is being eased everywhere is not to say that C-19 has gone, but rather to hope that we’ll all be able to handle what happens. I reckon that most of us will be exposed before a vaccine is found and given.

          My granddaughter in Scotland got it, but her live-in boyfriend wasn’t affected at all. She has recovered and back at studies and working at a supermarket.
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          Fangle wrote:The aim of the lockdown was to prevent the medical facilities to have more than they could handle. Now that the lockdown is being eased everywhere is not to say that C-19 has gone, but rather to hope that we’ll all be able to handle what happens. I reckon that most of us will be exposed before a vaccine is found and given.

          My granddaughter in Scotland got it, but her live-in boyfriend wasn’t affected at all. She has recovered and back at studies and working at a supermarket.
          We all understand that...

          I sometimes wish I could just get it to get it over and done with. So sick of being held to ransom by a virus.
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          My brother has had flu like symptoms for 3 days now, if I was a doctor I'd guess man-flu.

          He went to the doctor yesterday (what type of man goes to a doctor for man-flu?????). Aparantly he has all the symptoms of the Fong Kong virus, so now has to isolate until his results are back (2-4 days apparently).

          I informed my boss about it, just in case my bro tests positive, or whioe household have to self-isolate for 14 days according to them rulez. Did it as a "just so you know". Boys tells me I may not enter the premises until my brother's test results are back, and it's negative obviously.

          So now I'm working from home again which is great, I get much more done without my irritating colleagues whose only pupae in life seems to be too distract me the whole time with bs.

          So technically I'm now of-sick because someone else MIGHT be sick.
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          Fangle wrote:The aim of the lockdown was to prevent the medical facilities to have more than they could handle. Now that the lockdown is being eased everywhere is not to say that C-19 has gone, but rather to hope that we’ll all be able to handle what happens. I reckon that most of us will be exposed before a vaccine is found and givent.

          So much this.

          The damage being done to not only the economy, but also people's mental health is much worse than the virus. Given South Africa very low mortality rate, 2% and that's assuming the number of cases being reported is accurate, doesn't warrant the actions being taken.

          And they seem to make up non-sensible rules as they go along.
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          troglodiet wrote:My brother has had flu like symptoms for 3 days now, if I was a doctor I'd guess man-flu.

          He went to the doctor yesterday (what type of man goes to a doctor for man-flu?????). Aparantly he has all the symptoms of the Fong Kong virus, so now has to isolate until his results are back (2-4 days apparently).

          I informed my boss about it, just in case my bro tests positive, or whioe household have to self-isolate for 14 days according to them rulez. Did it as a "just so you know". Boys tells me I may not enter the premises until my brother's test results are back, and it's negative obviously.

          So now I'm working from home again which is great, I get much more done without my irritating colleagues whose only pupae in life seems to be too distract me the whole time with bs.

          So technically I'm now of-sick because someone else MIGHT be sick.
          Sounds like a sensible precaution. :thumbup:
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          troglodiet wrote:
          Fangle wrote:The aim of the lockdown was to prevent the medical facilities to have more than they could handle. Now that the lockdown is being eased everywhere is not to say that C-19 has gone, but rather to hope that we’ll all be able to handle what happens. I reckon that most of us will be exposed before a vaccine is found and givent.

          So much this.

          The damage being done to not only the economy, but also people's mental health is much worse than the virus. Given South Africa very low mortality rate, 2% and that's assuming the number of cases being reported is accurate, doesn't warrant the actions being taken.

          And they seem to make up non-sensible rules as they go along.
          South Africa has done well as number of infections are concerned, but that could not have been forecast. In my state the uptick is as yet controllable just hoping it doesn’t get worse. But we expect a bit of a surge from these marches and rioting.
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          troglodiet wrote:
          Fangle wrote:The aim of the lockdown was to prevent the medical facilities to have more than they could handle. Now that the lockdown is being eased everywhere is not to say that C-19 has gone, but rather to hope that we’ll all be able to handle what happens. I reckon that most of us will be exposed before a vaccine is found and givent.

          So much this.

          The damage being done to not only the economy, but also people's mental health is much worse than the virus. Given South Africa very low mortality rate, 2% and that's assuming the number of cases being reported is accurate, doesn't warrant the actions being taken.

          And they seem to make up non-sensible rules as they go along.
          That people keep missing, us that the 2% mortality rate (which might be as low as 0.5%) is dependent on hospital care being available for the severe cases. Once those beds get full, that shoots up to 8,9,10% very quickly as we saw in Spain, Italy, New York and Iran. That is what you want to avoid at all costs, because the only way to stop that runaway train is a full 14 day lockdown while 10% of those already infected in that period die in their homes unable to breathe.

          3 things have changed since lockdown that are positive;
          - the Western Cape has added around 1500 extra hospital beds
          - a steroid treatment has been found to be quite effective in the UK
          - Groote Schuur Hospital has had some success with an oxygen treatment that has proven more effective and less damaging than ventilators. In addition, we don’t have many ventilators and this procedure does not require highly trained specialists like ventilators do.

          All of these things bode well for us being able to avoid that 8-10% fatality rate should things get out of hand. None of these options were available in April and May.
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          Has there been any follow-up on the efficacy of the TB vaccine?
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          Fangle wrote:Has there been any follow-up on the efficacy of the TB vaccine?
          Not that I've seen, but I’m also not reading up on medical journals.

          Last I heard they were running a couple of trials
          Of the GCB vaccine that is given for TB among a group of health workers in Australia and another group in the Netherlands I think, but I never saw any articles about the result.

          Might be worth a Google, but given our surge in cases lately I’m not hopeful.
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          So they had some recovered people sharing their experiences on the radio this morning...a shortness of breath...tight chest...headache for a week. ... pretty much like man flu...the advice was that if you have a strong mental attitude you will get through fine.


          I reckon I will be fine. My attitude is right.
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          Sards wrote:So they had some recovered people sharing their experiences on the radio this morning...a shortness of breath...tight chest...headache for a week. ... pretty much like man flu...the advice was that if you have a strong mental attitude you will get through fine.


          I reckon I will be fine. My attitude is right.
          Yes.

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          Rinkals wrote:
          Sards wrote:So they had some recovered people sharing their experiences on the radio this morning...a shortness of breath...tight chest...headache for a week. ... pretty much like man flu...the advice was that if you have a strong mental attitude you will get through fine.


          I reckon I will be fine. My attitude is right.
          Yes.

          Believe in the Lord. :thumbup:
          It really is tough one this.

          When is an unfamiliar symptom like "shortness of breath" not serious enough that you should just grit your teeth and willpower your way through it, and when is it bad enough that you know you are going to be one of the 10-15% of individuals that will need medical oxygen in order or survive?

          And how to you make that self diagnosis when you are panicked, scared and possibly starting to suffer from hypoxia?

          How do you NOT freak out when you are slowly suffocating?
          Well, there is definitely a strong mental aspect to that, as Sards and many of the survivors have eluded to.

          But there is also another side of that coin, of being "too stubborn" and not seeking medical help when you are in real danger.
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          I think the capacity of people to restrain themselves from panicking and exacerbating their breathing difficulties is probably within most people.

          Even those of us without the benefit of religious instruction.

          Moreover, I'm inclined to feel that certain religious practices like singing, chanting, hand-holding and the sharing of communion cups could well propagate the virus' spread. Which is why funerals and religious gatherings have been linked to the spread of the disease.
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          Due to the high numbers of asymptomatic cases here, the government has rolled out a "care from home" program and it has emptied the hospitals and quarantine centres. It was worked quite well, considering the experts seem to think we're going to get hit in August.
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          Rinkals wrote:I think the capacity of people to restrain themselves from panicking and exacerbating their breathing difficulties is probably within most people.

          Even those of us without the benefit of religious instruction.

          Moreover, I'm inclined to feel that certain religious practices like singing, chanting, hand-holding and the sharing of communion cups could well propagate the virus' spread. Which is why funerals and religious gatherings have been linked to the spread of the disease.
          For me its simple. You get it...you are in for a tough 2 weeks and then it's done...how hard can that be
          ..most people were saying it's a week and a half....not that difficult really. Surprised that the youngsters are so afraid. More time for fortnite and GTA....
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          Any clarity on whether you can get Corona if you've had it before?
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          Sards wrote:
          Rinkals wrote:I think the capacity of people to restrain themselves from panicking and exacerbating their breathing difficulties is probably within most people.

          Even those of us without the benefit of religious instruction.

          Moreover, I'm inclined to feel that certain religious practices like singing, chanting, hand-holding and the sharing of communion cups could well propagate the virus' spread. Which is why funerals and religious gatherings have been linked to the spread of the disease.
          For me its simple. You get it...you are in for a tough 2 weeks and then it's done...how hard can that be
          ..most people were saying it's a week and a half....not that difficult really. Surprised that the youngsters are so afraid. More time for fortnite and GTA....
          Because it's only the 'flu?

          Give yourself an uppercut.
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          Rinkals wrote:
          Sards wrote:
          Rinkals wrote:I think the capacity of people to restrain themselves from panicking and exacerbating their breathing difficulties is probably within most people.

          Even those of us without the benefit of religious instruction.

          Moreover, I'm inclined to feel that certain religious practices like singing, chanting, hand-holding and the sharing of communion cups could well propagate the virus' spread. Which is why funerals and religious gatherings have been linked to the spread of the disease.
          For me its simple. You get it...you are in for a tough 2 weeks and then it's done...how hard can that be
          ..most people were saying it's a week and a half....not that difficult really. Surprised that the youngsters are so afraid. More time for fortnite and GTA....
          Because it's only the 'flu?

          Give yourself an uppercut.

          No....Youngsters today......need a good vokken uppercut
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          Ja it'll be quick. Either you'll get over it or you'll get under. I guess it's better than getting arse-cancer and having to suffer for years, shitting through a tube until you die slowly and painfully. Go ahead Sards, roll the dice.
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          Average Joe wrote:Ja it'll be quick. Either you'll get over it or you'll get under. I guess it's better than getting arse-cancer and having to suffer for years, shitting through a tube until you die slowly and painfully. Go ahead Sards, roll the dice.
          :lol:

          I do....daily.

          I am going to miss you when the board dissapears. If that's happening.
          What's the alternative board btw...never got an invitation
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          handyman wrote:Any clarity on whether you can get Corona if you've had it before?

          Corona? Definitely yes, you can get it more than once. The Corona virus causes 15% of the common Cold every year, so chances are rather good you've had it more than once in your lifetime.

          As to this specific strain, Covid-19, no evidence yet either way.
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          Oh, and my brother tested negative. So that's 2 days spent indoors in self isolation for fùck all :x
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          handyman wrote:Any clarity on whether you can get Corona if you've had it before?
          I think the general consensus is that unless it is unlike any virus that we are currently aware of, if you survive, you have immunity.

          The real question that requires more study is how long that immunity lasts.Antibodies for some viruses impart lifelong immunity, others only a couple of months. At the moment it appears as if this corona-virus is closer to the latter...and some are suggesting only 6 months of immunity :|

          But the science is flimsy with very small studies, so we will have to wait and see.
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          From our local paper:
          . A study published Thursday suggested that those who have had the COVID-19 virus and produced antibodies to fight it may not enjoy a long-lasting immunity from the virus.

          The study found that novel coronavirus antibodies – proteins the body makes in response to a virus – fell to undetectable levels after two or three months for 13% of people who showed symptoms and for 40% of those who did not.

          The research looked at the level of antibodies in 74 people in the Wanzhou district of China – 37 who had had the virus, showed symptoms and recovered, and another 37 who tested positive for the virus but displayed no symptoms.
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          Fangle wrote:From our local paper:
          . A study published Thursday suggested that those who have had the COVID-19 virus and produced antibodies to fight it may not enjoy a long-lasting immunity from the virus.

          The study found that novel coronavirus antibodies – proteins the body makes in response to a virus – fell to undetectable levels after two or three months for 13% of people who showed symptoms and for 40% of those who did not.

          The research looked at the level of antibodies in 74 people in the Wanzhou district of China – 37 who had had the virus, showed symptoms and recovered, and another 37 who tested positive for the virus but displayed no symptoms.
          Correct me if I'm wrong, wont a vaccine be useless then? My understanding is that a vaccine is basically a toned down version of a virus that safely triggers antibodies. If this only gives you 3 months immunity whats the fokon point?
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