China backlash?

Wyndham Upalot · Post by **Wyndham Upalot** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:27 pm

I can't be arsed to look back through all of the virus threads, however I'm sure that it's been mentioned previously, but what's opinion on China feeling the heat when it comes to future trade etc?

I'm in an industry that does zero business with them, so just scoping what other sectors consider will be the longer-term fallout from this awful situation?

backrow · Post by **backrow** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:29 pm

Wyndham Upalot wrote:I can't be arsed to look back through all of the virus threads, however I'm sure that it's been mentioned previously, but what's opinion on China feeling the heat when it comes to future trade etc?

I'm in an industry that does zero business with them, so just scoping what other sectors consider will be the longer-term fallout from this awful situation?

Doubt there will be any backlash at all because people like buying things cheap on Amazon and having IPhones

Frodder · Post by **Frodder** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:36 pm

backrow wrote:
Wyndham Upalot wrote:I can't be arsed to look back through all of the virus threads, however I'm sure that it's been mentioned previously, but what's opinion on China feeling the heat when it comes to future trade etc?

I'm in an industry that does zero business with them, so just scoping what other sectors consider will be the longer-term fallout from this awful situation?
Doubt there will be any backlash at all because people like buying things cheap on Amazon and having IPhones

Trump may spout some shite but not see anything through. The rest of us will do fudge all

Gwenno · Post by **Gwenno** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:04 pm

Have they lifted the shutdown. Is the second wave beginning?

Botha Boy · Post by **Botha Boy** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:16 pm

Can the OP please rename this as the “Chyna Deflection” thread ? ... Thank you.

Dark · Post by **Dark** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:19 pm

Wyndham Upalot wrote:I can't be arsed to look back through all of the virus threads, however I'm sure that it's been mentioned previously, but what's opinion on China feeling the heat when it comes to future trade etc?

I'm in an industry that does zero business with them, so just scoping what other sectors consider will be the longer-term fallout from this awful situation?

None I would have thought

Why would there be?

Wyndham Upalot · Post by **Wyndham Upalot** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:22 pm

Dark wrote:
Wyndham Upalot wrote:I can't be arsed to look back through all of the virus threads, however I'm sure that it's been mentioned previously, but what's opinion on China feeling the heat when it comes to future trade etc?

I'm in an industry that does zero business with them, so just scoping what other sectors consider will be the longer-term fallout from this awful situation?

None I would have thought

Why would there be?

Because humans are a fickle bunch ... if you haven't noticed. I'm not encouraging anything outlandish, just asking for an honest response. That ok with you?

Rumham · Post by **Rumham** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:27 pm

It's certainly a wake up call for some companies who have put all their eggs in one basket. Expect the spread of regional competitors for their manufacturing base to grow after this.

mdaclarke · Post by **mdaclarke** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:28 pm

Rumham wrote:It's certainly a wake up call for some companies who have put all their eggs in one basket. Expect the spread of regional competitors for their manufacturing base to grow after this.

Agreed, having all your supplies coming from the other side of the world is great when things are going well. Not so great when they are not

C69 · Post by **C69** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:30 pm

So what exactly have China done wrong?

Dark · Post by **Dark** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:30 pm

Wyndham Upalot wrote:
Dark wrote:
Wyndham Upalot wrote:I can't be arsed to look back through all of the virus threads, however I'm sure that it's been mentioned previously, but what's opinion on China feeling the heat when it comes to future trade etc?

I'm in an industry that does zero business with them, so just scoping what other sectors consider will be the longer-term fallout from this awful situation?

None I would have thought

Why would there be?
Because humans are a fickle bunch ... if you haven't noticed. I'm not encouraging anything outlandish, just asking for an honest response. That ok with you?

I am yet to understand anything you are "encouraging".

Maybe you could clarify your actual point?

eldanielfire · Post by **eldanielfire** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:32 pm

backrow wrote:
Wyndham Upalot wrote:I can't be arsed to look back through all of the virus threads, however I'm sure that it's been mentioned previously, but what's opinion on China feeling the heat when it comes to future trade etc?

I'm in an industry that does zero business with them, so just scoping what other sectors consider will be the longer-term fallout from this awful situation?
Doubt there will be any backlash at all because people like buying things cheap on Amazon and having IPhones

Given what Macron said the the Saudi Prince not long after the Saudi's had that journalist assassinated on Turkish soil, as if it was just bad PR around the time the Swiss President said something similar I'm not betting any Western nation not led by Trump will ever take action against China of any consequence for any reason. Sadly.

CrazyIslander · Post by **CrazyIslander** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:34 pm

No backlash. We'll be too busy to get things back to what it was. Meaning we'll need China more than ever.

There's great benefit in having China as the place to manufacture good because it keeps most of the pollution there. Clean environment is more important than money.

Wyndham Upalot · Post by **Wyndham Upalot** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:35 pm

Dark wrote:
Wyndham Upalot wrote:
Dark wrote:
Wyndham Upalot wrote:I can't be arsed to look back through all of the virus threads, however I'm sure that it's been mentioned previously, but what's opinion on China feeling the heat when it comes to future trade etc?

I'm in an industry that does zero business with them, so just scoping what other sectors consider will be the longer-term fallout from this awful situation?

None I would have thought

Why would there be?
Because humans are a fickle bunch ... if you haven't noticed. I'm not encouraging anything outlandish, just asking for an honest response. That ok with you?
I am yet to understand anything you are "encouraging".

Maybe you could clarify your actual point?

Get real, I'm not encouraging anything other than debate and discussion. If you think I'm trying to exacerbate undermining the Chinese state and economy, you truly are dumb.

Wyndham Upalot · Post by **Wyndham Upalot** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:36 pm

c69 wrote:So what exactly have China done wrong?

Nothing, apparently, just promoting a healthy discussion.

Dark · Post by **Dark** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:37 pm

Wyndham Upalot wrote:
c69 wrote:So what exactly have China done wrong?
Nothing, apparently, just promoting a healthy discussion.

About what?

Wyndham Upalot · Post by **Wyndham Upalot** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:41 pm

Dark wrote:
Wyndham Upalot wrote:
c69 wrote:So what exactly have China done wrong?
Nothing, apparently, just promoting a healthy discussion.
About what?

You're not very bright are you? Or, I'm guessing that English is not your first language which in case, I apologise.

Dark · Post by **Dark** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:03 pm

Wyndham Upalot wrote:
Dark wrote:
Wyndham Upalot wrote:
c69 wrote:So what exactly have China done wrong?
Nothing, apparently, just promoting a healthy discussion.
About what?
You're not very bright are you? Or, I'm guessing that English is not your first language which in case, I apologise.

Apologies. I didn't realise it was that difficult a question

Why would you think there would be a backlash against China, and what do you think it might be.

Trade?
Tourism?
Banning people doing Tai Chi?

Dark · Post by **Dark** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:09 pm

Seneca of the Night wrote:I think the 'backlash' will be immense, probably leading to an effective bifurcation of the global economy.

Wyndham Upalot · Post by **Wyndham Upalot** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:11 pm

Dark wrote:
Wyndham Upalot wrote:
Dark wrote:
Wyndham Upalot wrote:
c69 wrote:So what exactly have China done wrong?
Nothing, apparently, just promoting a healthy discussion.
About what?
You're not very bright are you? Or, I'm guessing that English is not your first language which in case, I apologise.

Apologies. I didn't realise it was that difficult a question

Why would you think there would be a backlash against China, and what do you think it might be.

Trade?
Tourism?
Banning people doing Tai Chi?

Read my OP. It was a broad question, not directly specific merely a generalist query. You have trouble understanding that?

Dark · Post by **Dark** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:17 pm

Wyndham Upalot wrote:
Dark wrote:
Wyndham Upalot wrote:
Dark wrote:

Apologies. I didn't realise it was that difficult a question

Why would you think there would be a backlash against China, and what do you think it might be.

Trade?
Tourism?
Banning people doing Tai Chi?
Read my OP. It was a broad question, not directly specific merely a generalist query. You have trouble understanding that?

Fair enough

I agree with Seneca.

In fact I would take it a step further and there will be a nuclear war over it.

Only a few will survive and it is then that Aliens decide to step in, to create stability.

Trump will be the main conduit in discussions along side Adern.

They will work out Neve is actually a Q

She will reverse time and leave out Covid-19

Wyndham Upalot · Post by **Wyndham Upalot** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:26 pm

No nuclear war - that's a non entity

Dislike between US/Asia and Europe yes.Trade volatile, fudge yeah.

AND-y · Post by **AND-y** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:56 pm

There may be a backlash in the political commentators and those whispering in corners who look to sway public opinion and once there are enough deaths the whispering won't be necessary, the mob will scream it with enough nudging and Joe Chinaman on the street will have to be very careful where he walks at night. Otherwise nothing will change unless that's where the money is.

C69 · Post by **C69** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:00 pm

Seneca of the Night wrote:
Wyndham Upalot wrote:No nuclear war - that's a non entity

Dislike between US/Asia and Europe yes.Trade volatile, fudge yeah.
Businesses that do business with China will be shamed, aside from legislative changes afoot.

Why?

zt1903 · Post by **zt1903** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:02 pm

Repatriating the supply chain is going to be a hot topic for Western Governments.

C69 · Post by **C69** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:04 pm

zt1903 wrote:Repatriating the supply chain is going to be a hot topic for Western Governments.

Global Capitalism as a model is so fecked.
Who would have guessed

paddywack · Post by **paddywack** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:06 pm

backrow wrote:
Wyndham Upalot wrote:I can't be arsed to look back through all of the virus threads, however I'm sure that it's been mentioned previously, but what's opinion on China feeling the heat when it comes to future trade etc?

I'm in an industry that does zero business with them, so just scoping what other sectors consider will be the longer-term fallout from this awful situation?
Doubt there will be any backlash at all because people like buying things cheap on Amazon and having IPhones

Agree, I don’t see any backlash against China. They will recover faster than Europe or the US. But Backrow is right ,
“people like buying things cheap on Amazon and having IPhones”

C69 · Post by **C69** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:25 pm

Seneca of the Night wrote:
c69 wrote:
zt1903 wrote:Repatriating the supply chain is going to be a hot topic for Western Governments.
Global Capitalism as a model is so fecked.
Who would have guessed
Billions of people have been lifted out of poverty by global capitalism. The issue is it got very badly balanced and western elites got greedy and shortsighted, and supply chain security was underplayed. That's going to be recalibrated.

It didn't help that the US had a President who was played like a sucker for 8 years, and snoozed on the job while amoral businessmen made hay.

Indeed as I said Global Capitalism as a model is fecked. I am not arguing that people have been lifted out of poverty but billions have also be failed.
I do think that this is a wake up call and when all over there is a wake up call regarding actually producing our own goods and investing in infrastructure with a more of a focus on what and who are the really important in society.

Hellraiser · Post by **Hellraiser** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:28 pm

CrazyIslander wrote:No backlash. We'll be too busy to get things back to what it was. Meaning we'll need China more than ever.

There's great benefit in having China as the place to manufacture good because it keeps most of the pollution there. Clean environment is more important than money.

Ted. · Post by **Ted.** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:53 pm

Seneca of the Night wrote:
Dark wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:I think the 'backlash' will be immense, probably leading to an effective bifurcation of the global economy.

The 'great decoupling' is already underway. This will accelerate it. Hedge betting economies like Australia, New Zealand and Germany will be forced to make a choice.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.ft.c ... 5839e06441

Are you going to provide us non-FT subscribing plebs a C&P?

Ted. · Post by **Ted.** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:58 pm

Hellraiser wrote:
CrazyIslander wrote:No backlash. We'll be too busy to get things back to what it was. Meaning we'll need China more than ever.

There's great benefit in having China as the place to manufacture good because it keeps most of the pollution there. Clean environment is more important than money.

You look like you could do with some help with something, Hellraiser.

Anonymous 1 · Post by **Anonymous 1** » Sun Mar 22, 2020 12:14 am

paddywack wrote:
backrow wrote:
Wyndham Upalot wrote:I can't be arsed to look back through all of the virus threads, however I'm sure that it's been mentioned previously, but what's opinion on China feeling the heat when it comes to future trade etc?

I'm in an industry that does zero business with them, so just scoping what other sectors consider will be the longer-term fallout from this awful situation?
Doubt there will be any backlash at all because people like buying things cheap on Amazon and having IPhones
Agree, I don’t see any backlash against China. They will recover faster than Europe or the US. But Backrow is right ,
“people like buying things cheap on Amazon and having IPhones”

I hate iphones I hate China I hate Southern Softie

Enzedder · Post by **Enzedder** » Sun Mar 22, 2020 12:20 am

Chayna is our ticket out of the inevitable depression we have entered. Ignore them at your peril

Huānyíng Měi gèrén

grievous · Post by **grievous** » Sun Mar 22, 2020 1:49 am

Seneca of the Night wrote:
Dark wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:I think the 'backlash' will be immense, probably leading to an effective bifurcation of the global economy.

The 'great decoupling' is already underway. This will accelerate it. Hedge betting economies like Australia, New Zealand and Germany will be forced to make a choice.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.ft.c ... 5839e06441

Absolute rubbish

les@mooloolaba · Post by **les@mooloolaba** » Sun Mar 22, 2020 5:30 am

AND-y wrote:There may be a backlash in the political commentators and those whispering in corners who look to sway public opinion and once there are enough deaths the whispering won't be necessary, the mob will scream it with enough nudging and Joe Chinaman on the street will have to be very careful where he walks at night. Otherwise nothing will change unless that's where the money is.

Asians are starting to get abused in rural NSW, because of Asian groups going round buying up goods from rural supermarkets and selling online, I assume at inflated prices. (Asian woman was spotted walking round a local supermarket Saturday, talking on the phone then going out without buying). The limit on buying goods has seen the mini buses with Asians arriving at supermarkets drop off, but they still come in numbers.

Junee IGA (population 5000) no longer sell to people outside Junee rural area and ID is required. (They have right to refuse to sell)

les@mooloolaba · Post by **les@mooloolaba** » Sun Mar 22, 2020 5:32 am

Hellraiser wrote:
CrazyIslander wrote:No backlash. We'll be too busy to get things back to what it was. Meaning we'll need China more than ever.

There's great benefit in having China as the place to manufacture good because it keeps most of the pollution there. Clean environment is more important than money.

Zico · Post by **Zico** » Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:10 am

Was there any backlash when the Americans crashed the global economy in 2008?

I don't recall anyone even calling it the American recession out of childish spite.

Thankfully most of the world behave like grown-ups and just get on with it.

New guy · Post by **New guy** » Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:16 am

c69 wrote:So what exactly have China done wrong?

Started the virus then lied and downplayed the scale of the outbreak allowing the spread to go completely unchecked for weeks.

Journalists were arrested for talking about it, they just pretended it didn't exist.

Ali's Choice · Post by **Ali's Choice** » Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:20 am

les@mooloolaba wrote:
AND-y wrote:There may be a backlash in the political commentators and those whispering in corners who look to sway public opinion and once there are enough deaths the whispering won't be necessary, the mob will scream it with enough nudging and Joe Chinaman on the street will have to be very careful where he walks at night. Otherwise nothing will change unless that's where the money is.
Asians are starting to get abused in rural NSW, because of Asian groups going round buying up goods from rural supermarkets and selling online, I assume at inflated prices. (Asian woman was spotted walking round a local supermarket Saturday, talking on the phone then going out without buying). The limit on buying goods has seen the mini buses with Asians arriving at supermarkets drop off, but they still come in numbers.

Junee IGA (population 5000) no longer sell to people outside Junee rural area and ID is required. (They have right to refuse to sell)

My understanding is that those stories of groups of Asians bussing around the state bulk buying essential goods were false, and originated on right-wing, racist hate-sites.

Kiwias · Post by **Kiwias** » Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:44 am

Dark wrote:
Wyndham Upalot wrote:
c69 wrote:So what exactly have China done wrong?
Nothing, apparently, just promoting a healthy discussion.
About what?

Probbaly Jacinda, so you'll feel at home on this thread.