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Jim Lahey wrote:The birth rate is bound to go up in the next year.
My missus is 37 weeks pregnant and we already have two kids to entertain, but if we were kidless/not pregnant I’d imagine we’d spend a fair amount of time shagging while in self-isolation as there’d be f**k all else to do.
And with all that panadol in the cupboard, the headache excuse is out the window :thumbup:
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Hellraiser wrote:
Lemoentjie wrote:
bimboman wrote:
Lemoentjie wrote:
redderneck wrote:Bar cheap global 'casual' travel for people., which I think has seen the passing of its golden era, SFA will change. People are adaptable and resilient. The pressures of the here and now will displace bad memories remarkably quickly.

Only way we will see radical restructuring of society and what are norms is if this pandemic runs and runs and goes properly end of days Hollywood. Anything reasonably short of apocalyptic will fade. For a crude definition; a majority, or damn near it, dies and we are left with people who do not just regard themselves as family, friends, community, citizens, consumers, voters/followers/fans, (non)believers; rather first and foremost, as survivors.

Short of that, it will be remarkable how far back to previous norms we will return. The economic damage wrought by recession will dictate the speed of that return. But return we shall.

Should we? God no. It is high time we reevaluated where we want to go as society/societies. Universal basic incomes. Work/life balances. State supports. Extent of privatisation. Creation of wealth ad its distribution. Definition of wealth in the first place. Pursuit of growth as an inherent good, or otherwise. Sustainability. Labradoodles, yay or nay?
I agree. See backrow's post at the top of this page about how Japan stagnated due to people 'not consuming enough'. In what kind of society should that have a bad effect? It's crazy.

Hopefully people will see that capitalism is only possible with an 'infinite growth' model. It DEMANDS the consumption and consumption and consumption, when really we should be rewarding those who don't consume and destroy our planet.

Socialism provides the answer.

Socialism provides the answer to the question “what political idea has failed and caused misery at every attempt” ...
Nonsense. Socialism can very easily work under a competent government. The USSR/Warsaw Pact was too fragmented along national and ethnic lines. Cuba was bullied by the US, Venezuela was a banana republic, North Korea isn't socialist.

Socialism has never worked anywhere, ever.
Er the NHS was a socialist idea that worked unlike British leyland. Scandinavians may also have the correct balance on this.
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Full blown socialism doesn't seem to work too often. Maybe it needs absolutely everything to go the right way.
Socialist policies in a capitalist society for specific things can be great.
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Strike a balance. Or if that's too much of a red rag to a bull, arrive at a balance. You know it makes sense.
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Anonymous. wrote:
Jim Lahey wrote:Positives:
-companies being more flexible with working from home
-the creation of a bit of national solidarity after Brexit (UK only), despite the arseholes last weekend who have hopefully now seen the errors in their ways
-Deflation in asset prices propped up by loads of funny money (I’m aware more funny money is coming with the stimulus but for a short period homes and other assets should be cheaper)
-The NHS’ reputation and respect for its workers will increase dramatically
-People learning to live more frugal
-People re-prioritising their health
-Lockdown might be a good opportunity for working parents to hang out more with each other and their kids
-death of elderly relatives before their care bills deplete your inheritance

Negatives:
-death and illness of elderly loved ones
-fear of bodily contact with others eg. Hugging and kissing as greetings
-hypersensitivity toward people with the common cold
-a lot of good companies will go tits up
-sport is in flux
-kids have missed school for 3 or 4 months
-projects/jobs have been put on hold
-divorce rate sure to go up due to lockdown
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The world will be increasingly highly highly unpredictable. We now have so many variables, Corona, oil price, wealth inequality, climate change, generational discord, Syria, rising China,new tech, leveraged economies, terrorism. Knowing how the future is going to unfold im such a changing and interconnected world is next to impossible.

For example. Something like this may play out, but it may not.....the number of electric vehicles and autonomous cars pass a tipping point, oil counties produce to many barrels in a price war that result it prices crashing. They cant sustain their no personal tax/give money away economies and there is a revolution in a middle eastern country that that leads to a revolution in say Saudi. The West realises that they no longer need to kiss ass in the region as they are less dependent on oil and just leave them to it. This then becomes a regional war. Russia also feeling the pinch needs a new path and with old age taking their long term president and move towards the west or China. Then who knows what?

No one has a clue whats going to happen pass 1-2 years. Not a clue.
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boringperson12 wrote:
backrow wrote:
boringperson12 wrote:
backrow wrote:"They were saving for a better day, not a bad day."

you cock, its still saving, and largely cultural based. you asked a question about why they saved, not the stagnation, and was what I answered. apt username you have anyways you uppity irish bellend.
I asked a question because it is obvious you don't know what you are talking about when it comes to economics. You proved it. Have a good day, but please stop spouting shit about topics you know nothing about. It would be a public service for everyone :thumbup:
so you agree japan saved too muchthen ?
thanks :thumbup:

rather than try to prove a point, whatever that is, you just seem to be reading what you want to read and interpret some coment of mine like i'm writing a thesis - my initial post was about the saving !
glad you think you won the internet and try to diss someones education, nice one - nice to see your comments on any of the investing or making money or running a business threads - oh, wait....
I've never ran a business, so guess what, I'm not going to comment on it. I've never worked in the investment market, guess what I not going to comment on it. I don't have access to current economics models, so guess what - I'm not going pull shit out of my ass either. People should do the same. The reasons the Japanese economy stagnated in the 90s is far more complex than just Asians save a lot. But at least if you run out of toilet paper, you can wipe your ass with your degree.
Knew it - always amusing to get criticised about money from someone who doesn’t appear to have much experience of managing it or creating it. My initial comment was about Japanese saving, you asked a question about their saving, and then tried to tear into me when I gave an answer by going off on a wild tangent about deflation . You getting cause and effect and something not under question badly mixed up, suggest you find someone else to discuss stagflation with then , and leave the ‘how much should people save’ type question to others because that was what I actually wrote about.
Your ‘better day not bad day’ comment completely agrees with me that the Japanese and other Asians are mad for the saving you so are just arguing the toss for no reason .
But having a pop at someone’s education is a dickhead move tbh so give yourself an uppercut
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AirBnB can be a blessing or a scourge.

We have had a holiday let in a remote Highland glen for decades. We used to work through an agency, then a website, then Tripadvisor made a big change, then AirBnB came along and transformed our business.

It was relatively hard for people to find us in the past when the market was much more fragmented. Firstly Tripadvisor then AirBnB it easy for a vastly higher number of people to find us and our number of lets have have soared.

For places like Edinburgh it can be a curse.
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The FT today is a good read
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Edinburgh01 wrote:AirBnB can be a blessing or a scourge.

We have had a holiday let in a remote Highland glen for decades. We used to work through an agency, then a website, then Tripadvisor made a big change, then AirBnB came along and transformed our business.

It was relatively hard for people to find us in the past when the market was much more fragmented. Firstly Tripadvisor then AirBnB it easy for a vastly higher number of people to find us and our number of lets have have soared.

For places like Edinburgh it can be a curse.
I’ll have to bookmark this, the missus wants to visit Scotland when this is all over.
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DragsterDriver wrote:
Edinburgh01 wrote:AirBnB can be a blessing or a scourge.

We have had a holiday let in a remote Highland glen for decades. We used to work through an agency, then a website, then Tripadvisor made a big change, then AirBnB came along and transformed our business.

It was relatively hard for people to find us in the past when the market was much more fragmented. Firstly Tripadvisor then AirBnB it easy for a vastly higher number of people to find us and our number of lets have have soared.

For places like Edinburgh it can be a curse.
I’ll have to bookmark this, the missus wants to visit Scotland when this is all over.
This is us. https://www.airbnb.co.uk/rooms/12089039 ... TnwElQHcnT

I expect we will be doing deals when this is over.
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Jayz that looks amazeballs - will show the wife seeing as she’s half Scots

One wee question - are those views from the house , or from a few mins walk away ?
If from the house I’d bring my blowup jacuzzi and several crates of beer and do nothing for a week :o
(Fishing nearby?)
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Amazing!!!
Definitely will visit, she’s never been to Scotland and I only visited a slum in Edinburgh once :lol: :thumbup:
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backrow wrote:Jayz that looks amazeballs - will show the wife seeing as she’s half Scots

One wee question - are those views from the house , or from a few mins walk away ?
If from the house I’d bring my blowup jacuzzi and several crates of beer and do nothing for a week :o
(Fishing nearby?)
Well the ones from hilltops are not from the house.

3 and thirteen are from the house, 14 is the reverse of 3. 7 is a wee bit up the hill behind the house, 9 from higher up again. The rest are local

We own a couple of hundred yards of bank of the River Lyon, we tell anyone renting they are welcome to fish for trout. Friends own about 2 miles of the river and are relaxed about people fishing their stretch.

And if anyone has small kids, we'll use this time to move our kids old swing / climbing frame over. We also let folk come over into the garden and use them, pat the ponies etc.
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Yeeb would love to feed the horse.
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Er the NHS was a socialist idea that worked unlike British leyland. Scandinavians may also have the correct balance on this.
It was a Tory who had the “idea” for the NHS, it was implemented by a Labour leader.
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DragsterDriver wrote:Yeeb would love to feed the horse.
Especially if I take my inflatable jacuzzi !!
Sniff fingers and yell out “Scampi Flavour Fries !”
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Bill Gates idea of a reserve medical corp may be implemented widely.

Instead of weekend warriors would be weekend medics ready to step in in similar crises.

Would be good to have a reserve of say lab technicians/scientists in different fields cross trained in RT PCR analyisis for example. Also people to step in as health admin/organisation.
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quarter2four wrote:Bill Gates idea of a reserve medical corp may be implemented widely.

Instead of weekend warriors would be weekend medics ready to step in in similar crises.

Would be good to have a reserve of say lab technicians/scientists in different fields cross trained in RT PCR analyisis for example. Also people to step in as health admin/organisation.
This could actually be widened in scope to become a civilian brigade, containing not just medical staff but also engineers, logistics , electricians etc - this could be mobilised not just for pandemics like this, but hurricanes , floods, earthquakes etc

Or else just not have such a pared down armed forces who usually get stretched to mop up situations. Do the Territorials have a medical unit ?
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backrow wrote:
boringperson12 wrote:
backrow wrote:
boringperson12 wrote:
backrow wrote:"They were saving for a better day, not a bad day."

you cock, its still saving, and largely cultural based. you asked a question about why they saved, not the stagnation, and was what I answered. apt username you have anyways you uppity irish bellend.
I asked a question because it is obvious you don't know what you are talking about when it comes to economics. You proved it. Have a good day, but please stop spouting shit about topics you know nothing about. It would be a public service for everyone :thumbup:
so you agree japan saved too muchthen ?
thanks :thumbup:

rather than try to prove a point, whatever that is, you just seem to be reading what you want to read and interpret some coment of mine like i'm writing a thesis - my initial post was about the saving !
glad you think you won the internet and try to diss someones education, nice one - nice to see your comments on any of the investing or making money or running a business threads - oh, wait....
I've never ran a business, so guess what, I'm not going to comment on it. I've never worked in the investment market, guess what I not going to comment on it. I don't have access to current economics models, so guess what - I'm not going pull shit out of my ass either. People should do the same. The reasons the Japanese economy stagnated in the 90s is far more complex than just Asians save a lot. But at least if you run out of toilet paper, you can wipe your ass with your degree.
Knew it - always amusing to get criticised about money from someone who doesn’t appear to have much experience of managing it or creating it. My initial comment was about Japanese saving, you asked a question about their saving, and then tried to tear into me when I gave an answer by going off on a wild tangent about deflation . You getting cause and effect and something not under question badly mixed up, suggest you find someone else to discuss stagflation with then , and leave the ‘how much should people save’ type question to others because that was what I actually wrote about.
Your ‘better day not bad day’ comment completely agrees with me that the Japanese and other Asians are mad for the saving you so are just arguing the toss for no reason .
But having a pop at someone’s education is a dickhead move tbh so give yourself an uppercut
You are getting criticized because you do not appear to understand simple economics. You blamed Japanese saving on the reason their economy stagnated, which is a tiny part of the answer. Also stagflation is high inflation and high unemployment, the opposite of what economic modelling suggests can happen and nothing to do what we are talking. Ever heard of a Phillips Curve and why it didn't hold in the 70s - that is stagflation... Stagflation has nothing to do what you claimed was wrong with the Japanese economy - supply shocks are usually used to explain stagflation. Also models like the Solow model of economic growth suggest that an increase in the savings rate will have a short run positive effect on growth but have no effect in the long wrong - empirical evidence suggests it is true even when controlling for causality - you'd think someone with an MA ECON would know that.
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backrow wrote:
quarter2four wrote:Bill Gates idea of a reserve medical corp may be implemented widely.

Instead of weekend warriors would be weekend medics ready to step in in similar crises.

Would be good to have a reserve of say lab technicians/scientists in different fields cross trained in RT PCR analyisis for example. Also people to step in as health admin/organisation.
This could actually be widened in scope to become a civilian brigade, containing not just medical staff but also engineers, logistics , electricians etc - this could be mobilised not just for pandemics like this, but hurricanes , floods, earthquakes etc

Or else just not have such a pared down armed forces who usually get stretched to mop up situations. Do the Territorials have a medical unit ?
Reserves these days but yes. 4 medical regiments and 10 field hospitals I think.

The problem with this is the majority who are clinicians work in the NHS, those that aren't don't really have any exposure to clinical settings.
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Boringtwat, that was not me ! That was lemonje !
Read my actual first post you utter cock, I never said jap savings caused it ! Sheesh !

But you got me on stag/ deflation, I did misuse the term - apologies but you annoying me intensely you insane irish wanker

“ You blamed Japanese saving on the reason their economy stagnated,“
No I did not !!
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backrow wrote:Boringtwat,
Jeez, I only answered your question
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backrow wrote:Am not sure saving more would really help. Rule of thumb is one months salary per inhabitant in cash for rainy days - not many in the uk could afford this let alone be strict enough to get there. How much saving would be enough ? 2 months salary ? 3?

Japan had an economic problem before in that people were saving too much and consumption was limited, and didn’t need to replace their 4 year old Honda etc, and companies stagnated.
This is what I wrote , nothing there says the saving was THE cause , the conversation was about savings and how much would be useful even uk saved as much as the Japanese.
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OptimisticJock wrote:
backrow wrote:Boringtwat,
Jeez, I only answered your question
Not aimed at you !
I’ve put that Irish wanker on ignore now,
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OptimisticJock wrote:
backrow wrote:
quarter2four wrote:Bill Gates idea of a reserve medical corp may be implemented widely.

Instead of weekend warriors would be weekend medics ready to step in in similar crises.

Would be good to have a reserve of say lab technicians/scientists in different fields cross trained in RT PCR analyisis for example. Also people to step in as health admin/organisation.
This could actually be widened in scope to become a civilian brigade, containing not just medical staff but also engineers, logistics , electricians etc - this could be mobilised not just for pandemics like this, but hurricanes , floods, earthquakes etc

Or else just not have such a pared down armed forces who usually get stretched to mop up situations. Do the Territorials have a medical unit ?
Reserves these days but yes. 4 medical regiments and 10 field hospitals I think.

The problem with this is the majority who are clinicians work in the NHS, those that aren't don't really have any exposure to clinical settings.
Do you mean by the last bit that army medics are fab at treating bullet wounds, less well versed in viruses?
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backrow wrote: I’ve put that Irish wanker on ignore now,
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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backrow wrote:
OptimisticJock wrote:
backrow wrote:
quarter2four wrote:Bill Gates idea of a reserve medical corp may be implemented widely.

Instead of weekend warriors would be weekend medics ready to step in in similar crises.

Would be good to have a reserve of say lab technicians/scientists in different fields cross trained in RT PCR analyisis for example. Also people to step in as health admin/organisation.
This could actually be widened in scope to become a civilian brigade, containing not just medical staff but also engineers, logistics , electricians etc - this could be mobilised not just for pandemics like this, but hurricanes , floods, earthquakes etc

Or else just not have such a pared down armed forces who usually get stretched to mop up situations. Do the Territorials have a medical unit ?
Reserves these days but yes. 4 medical regiments and 10 field hospitals I think.

The problem with this is the majority who are clinicians work in the NHS, those that aren't don't really have any exposure to clinical settings.
Do you mean by the last bit that army medics are fab at treating bullet wounds, less well versed in viruses?
Was speaking purely about reservists there, those that might be a teacher in civvy st for example but a CMT in the Reserves. Although now that you mention it even though CMTs deal with a fair amount of primary health care in camp they have very little autonomy and the majority of things go through the doc. They are a dab hand at trauma though.
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OptimisticJock wrote:
backrow wrote:
OptimisticJock wrote:
backrow wrote:
quarter2four wrote:Bill Gates idea of a reserve medical corp may be implemented widely.

Instead of weekend warriors would be weekend medics ready to step in in similar crises.

Would be good to have a reserve of say lab technicians/scientists in different fields cross trained in RT PCR analyisis for example. Also people to step in as health admin/organisation.
This could actually be widened in scope to become a civilian brigade, containing not just medical staff but also engineers, logistics , electricians etc - this could be mobilised not just for pandemics like this, but hurricanes , floods, earthquakes etc

Or else just not have such a pared down armed forces who usually get stretched to mop up situations. Do the Territorials have a medical unit ?
Reserves these days but yes. 4 medical regiments and 10 field hospitals I think.

The problem with this is the majority who are clinicians work in the NHS, those that aren't don't really have any exposure to clinical settings.
Do you mean by the last bit that army medics are fab at treating bullet wounds, less well versed in viruses?
Was speaking purely about reservists there, those that might be a teacher in civvy st for example but a CMT in the Reserves. Although now that you mention it even though CMTs deal with a fair amount of primary health care in camp they have very little autonomy and the majority of things go through the doc. They are a dab hand at trauma though.
Cool. Anyhows they would deffo be better at treating ill people than someone with no medical training.
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We've asked our children to stay home and loan us their future incomes. We owe it to them to reset our economy and protect the environment.

(The) economic survival package(s) will create a massive debt to be repaid in the decades to come. The way that it is spent will shape our economy and society for generations. As it will be the next generation of taxpayers that faces the greatest share of this burden, it would be a deep and tragic irony if this spending compounds the other global crisis we face, the climate crisis.
Wise words. Let's not refuel previous climate destroying industries and tech. Our kids will be paying for decades to bail us out - let's take the opportunity to decarbonise and provide them with the best possible world they can live in.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/cli ... e-it-count
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OptimisticJock wrote:
backrow wrote:Boringtwat,
Jeez, I only answered your question
Oh, you scamp!
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Jim Lahey wrote:The birth rate is bound to go up in the next year.
My missus is 37 weeks pregnant and we already have two kids to entertain, but if we were kidless/not pregnant I’d imagine we’d spend a fair amount of time shagging while in self-isolation as there’d be f**k all else to do.
I suspect if there is a baby boom in 9 months' time, it will consist solely of firstborns.
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In the same way that the end of WWII was the handing over of the baton from Britain to the USA, coronavirus will be the symbolic shifting of power from USA to China.

Of course, it was occurring before that.
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Blake wrote:
Jim Lahey wrote:The birth rate is bound to go up in the next year.
My missus is 37 weeks pregnant and we already have two kids to entertain, but if we were kidless/not pregnant I’d imagine we’d spend a fair amount of time shagging while in self-isolation as there’d be f**k all else to do.
I suspect if there is a baby boom in 9 months' time, it will consist solely of firstborns.
Personally, I wish it would enforce a strict 2 children limit globally. :thumbup:
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DragonKhan wrote:I see the very predictable Socialism vs Capitalism debate is happening.

Well regulated capitalism with socialistic healthcare and education is the answer. SMBs are the lifeblood of countries, not the big multi nationals
Yep.

Also - China can officially fudge off for this.
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J Man wrote:In the same way that the end of WWII was the handing over of the baton from Britain to the USA, coronavirus will be the symbolic shifting of power from USA to China.

Of course, it was occurring before that.
I don't think it's the same. The West can and will use India as leverage, and the West is still massively superior to China in terms of power in all senses of the word. The main problem the West has is that its societies are less cohesive than China's, so only a real threat of danger would make the West act as one, whereas China already does that.

China is very worried about India. The US never had to face 2 large powers at the same time.
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Think cheap air fares will be a thing of the past, most will go under , I expect here in the UK a penny on income tax, to help pay for the borrowing, and Brexit will be put on hold maybe reversed.
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Clive wrote:Think cheap air fares will be a thing of the past, most will go under , I expect here in the UK a penny on income tax, to help pay for the borrowing, and Brexit will be put on hold maybe reversed.

National carriers will be bailed out. Ryan air will survive. Jet fuel is the lowest price it’s been for a decade.
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