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Sefton wrote:
bimboman wrote: Go for it and prove the other figure. You don’t seem to grasp I don’t give any sort of f uck what you think or post either way. Watching you jump all over this is just a demonstration of what you are,
Calm yourself down, son, I'm only asking for a source, after all you're the one who called him a liar.
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Gospel wrote:The fuss being made over how items of PPE are counted beggar's belief. Anyone can go onto Amazon and search for surgical gloves and see that they're counted as single units and not as a pair. You buy a box of 100 gloves which is 100 items of PPE.
That’s how I buy them, 100 gloves, not 50 pairs. They’re not handed either.
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Nolanator wrote:
Openside wrote:
Insane_Homer wrote:So according to Victoria Atkins Con MP, when asked about counting a pair of gloves as 2 items of PPE,

replied with...
Victoria Atkins MP wrote:‘We are being guided by Scientific Advisors*'
*and Dominic Cummings observating (TM).

:roll:

This 'blame the scientists' game is getting ridiculous.
Well how many pieces do you think it is?? :roll:
How many individual uses of gloves will a person get out of 100 individual gloves, assuming disposal after each use?
It's 100 gloves. That's the point. It's not a scam, it's a box of 100 gloves, that what was bought. Should that be divided in two, or should it be 1 as in the number of boxes.
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Frodder wrote:
Sefton wrote:
bimboman wrote: Go for it and prove the other figure. You don’t seem to grasp I don’t give any sort of f uck what you think or post either way. Watching you jump all over this is just a demonstration of what you are,
Calm yourself down, son, I'm only asking for a source, after all you're the one who called him a liar.
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message #2527204 wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
Openside wrote:
Insane_Homer wrote:So according to Victoria Atkins Con MP, when asked about counting a pair of gloves as 2 items of PPE,

replied with...
Victoria Atkins MP wrote:‘We are being guided by Scientific Advisors*'
*and Dominic Cummings observating (TM).

:roll:

This 'blame the scientists' game is getting ridiculous.
Well how many pieces do you think it is?? :roll:
How many individual uses of gloves will a person get out of 100 individual gloves, assuming disposal after each use?
It's 100 gloves. That's the point. It's not a scam, it's a box of 100 gloves, that what was bought. Should that be divided in two, or should it be 1 as in the number of boxes.
Not a scam, it’s just fluffing the figures to make them sound more impressive.
100,000 pieces of PPE sounds better than 1000 boxes of gloves.

Just give accurate breakdown instead of trying to pull wool over peoples eyes.
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Sefton wrote:
Frodder wrote:
Sefton wrote:
bimboman wrote: Go for it and prove the other figure. You don’t seem to grasp I don’t give any sort of f uck what you think or post either way. Watching you jump all over this is just a demonstration of what you are,
Calm yourself down, son, I'm only asking for a source, after all you're the one who called him a liar.
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I can easily see a Dr./nurse getting through the better part of 20 pairs of disposable gloves a day, so basically that - as a unit of PPE to parse - is a right bugger.
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Sefton wrote:
Frodder wrote:
Sefton wrote:
bimboman wrote: Go for it and prove the other figure. You don’t seem to grasp I don’t give any sort of f uck what you think or post either way. Watching you jump all over this is just a demonstration of what you are,
Calm yourself down, son, I'm only asking for a source, after all you're the one who called him a liar.
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Bimboc69 wrote:
Sefton wrote:
Frodder wrote:
Sefton wrote:
bimboman wrote: Go for it and prove the other figure. You don’t seem to grasp I don’t give any sort of f uck what you think or post either way. Watching you jump all over this is just a demonstration of what you are,
Calm yourself down, son, I'm only asking for a source, after all you're the one who called him a liar.
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Bimboc69 wrote:
Sefton wrote:
Frodder wrote:
Sefton wrote:
bimboman wrote: Go for it and prove the other figure. You don’t seem to grasp I don’t give any sort of f uck what you think or post either way. Watching you jump all over this is just a demonstration of what you are,
Calm yourself down, son, I'm only asking for a source, after all you're the one who called him a liar.
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frillage wrote:
message #2527204 wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
Openside wrote:
Well how many pieces do you think it is?? :roll:
How many individual uses of gloves will a person get out of 100 individual gloves, assuming disposal after each use?
It's 100 gloves. That's the point. It's not a scam, it's a box of 100 gloves, that what was bought. Should that be divided in two, or should it be 1 as in the number of boxes.
Not a scam, it’s just fluffing the figures to make them sound more impressive.
100,000 pieces of PPE sounds better than 1000 boxes of gloves.

Just give accurate breakdown instead of trying to pull wool over peoples eyes.
100000 items of ppe is accurate as is 1000 boxes of gloves. Why has this suddenly become a 'thing'? Piers Morgan? Only a wanker would be interested.
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Frodder wrote:
Sefton wrote:
bimboman wrote: Go for it and prove the other figure. You don’t seem to grasp I don’t give any sort of f uck what you think or post either way. Watching you jump all over this is just a demonstration of what you are,
Calm yourself down, son, I'm only asking for a source, after all you're the one who called him a liar.
School day finished Sefton?
Doesn't look like it :lol:
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bimboman wrote:It will actually depend sadly on a direct correlation of when infections occured. Presently the figures look like 30,000 plus so not unreasonable.

It’s the same as every other western country bar Germany.
That's absolute bollox - the UK (actually specifically England) is running the highest excess mortality in Europe.

The statistics are here: https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps

The UK's rate is even worse than that of Italy at the peak. Interestingly the country with the next worst excess mortality is Spain and not Italy. Worse news is that the rate nearly everywhere in Europe has been dropping for the last 2-3 weeks while the rate in England continues to rise.

These graphs are represent real numbers and simple statistics so none of your bleating about "MSM bias" is valid here.

If you've a better and more informed source, you're welcome to present it.
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message #2527204 wrote:
frillage wrote:
message #2527204 wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
Openside wrote:
Well how many pieces do you think it is?? :roll:
How many individual uses of gloves will a person get out of 100 individual gloves, assuming disposal after each use?
It's 100 gloves. That's the point. It's not a scam, it's a box of 100 gloves, that what was bought. Should that be divided in two, or should it be 1 as in the number of boxes.
Not a scam, it’s just fluffing the figures to make them sound more impressive.
100,000 pieces of PPE sounds better than 1000 boxes of gloves.

Just give accurate breakdown instead of trying to pull wool over peoples eyes.
100000 items of ppe is accurate as is 1000 boxes of gloves. Why has this suddenly become a 'thing'? Piers Morgan? Only a wanker would be interested.
1000 boxes containing:

100 pairs?
50 gloves?

It’s pathetic.
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Because hancock started spouting on about 7million (I think) items of ppe being delivered.

It seems disingenuous at best to count a box of 100 gloves as 100 items.

Dragster, you said you bought them in packs of 100. Do you really count them as individual items.

I buy my screws in boxes ot 100/200/1000 etc. That's a box of screws, not 1000 screws.
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DragsterDriver wrote:
message #2527204 wrote:
frillage wrote:
message #2527204 wrote:
Nolanator wrote: How many individual uses of gloves will a person get out of 100 individual gloves, assuming disposal after each use?
It's 100 gloves. That's the point. It's not a scam, it's a box of 100 gloves, that what was bought. Should that be divided in two, or should it be 1 as in the number of boxes.
Not a scam, it’s just fluffing the figures to make them sound more impressive.
100,000 pieces of PPE sounds better than 1000 boxes of gloves.

Just give accurate breakdown instead of trying to pull wool over peoples eyes.
100000 items of ppe is accurate as is 1000 boxes of gloves. Why has this suddenly become a 'thing'? Piers Morgan? Only a wanker would be interested.
1000 boxes containing:

100 pairs?
50 gloves?

It’s pathetic.
But that’s not the case is it, they aren’t quoting as number of gloves, number of pairs or number of boxes. They are using it as a figure to represent individual items of ppe. Essentially they are giving the same value to a single glove as a full apron, mask or goggles.
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happyhooker wrote:Because hancock started spouting on about 7million (I think) items of ppe being delivered.

It seems disingenuous at best to count a box of 100 gloves as 100 items.
No it's not if that is how these things are counted. Jesus wept.
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Gospel wrote:
happyhooker wrote:Because hancock started spouting on about 7million (I think) items of ppe being delivered.

It seems disingenuous at best to count a box of 100 gloves as 100 items.
No it's not if that is how these things are counted. Jesus wept.
Check.my edit. I don't think that's how these things are counted.
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happyhooker wrote:
Gospel wrote:
happyhooker wrote:Because hancock started spouting on about 7million (I think) items of ppe being delivered.

It seems disingenuous at best to count a box of 100 gloves as 100 items.
No it's not if that is how these things are counted. Jesus wept.
Check.my edit. I don't think that's how these things are counted.
That's how they're sold so why not how they're counted? A box of gloves is how many units? This stuff is just a complete nonsensical beat-up. If there's not enough PPE then there's not enough PPE irregardless of how it's counted.
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Short Man Syndrome wrote:I can easily see a Dr./nurse getting through the better part of 20 pairs of disposable gloves a day, so basically that - as a unit of PPE to parse - is a right bugger.
Way more than that.

Anyway, took the journalists long enough to cop on - I said it 3 weeks ago

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frillage wrote:
DragsterDriver wrote:
message #2527204 wrote:
frillage wrote:
message #2527204 wrote: It's 100 gloves. That's the point. It's not a scam, it's a box of 100 gloves, that what was bought. Should that be divided in two, or should it be 1 as in the number of boxes.
Not a scam, it’s just fluffing the figures to make them sound more impressive.
100,000 pieces of PPE sounds better than 1000 boxes of gloves.

Just give accurate breakdown instead of trying to pull wool over peoples eyes.
100000 items of ppe is accurate as is 1000 boxes of gloves. Why has this suddenly become a 'thing'? Piers Morgan? Only a wanker would be interested.
1000 boxes containing:

100 pairs?
50 gloves?

It’s pathetic.
But that’s not the case is it, they aren’t quoting as number of gloves, number of pairs or number of boxes. They are using it as a figure to represent individual items of ppe. Essentially they are giving the same value to a single glove as a full apron, mask or goggles.
I imagine it does have the same value to the person it's protecting.
But really? It's a billion items of ppe, make it 900000 of in pairs or 800000 of in boxes. Who the fudge cares? It's shit loads by any measure.
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Gospel wrote:
happyhooker wrote:
Gospel wrote:
happyhooker wrote:Because hancock started spouting on about 7million (I think) items of ppe being delivered.

It seems disingenuous at best to count a box of 100 gloves as 100 items.
No it's not if that is how these things are counted. Jesus wept.
Check.my edit. I don't think that's how these things are counted.
That's how they're sold so why not how they're counted? A box of gloves is how many units? This stuff is just a complete nonsensical beat-up. If there's not enough PPE then there's not enough PPE irregardless of how it's counted.
Yes, which is why it's disingenuous for a politician to try and spin it as such.

Anyway, my pointless circular argument alert is going off.
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happyhooker wrote:Because hancock started spouting on about 7million (I think) items of ppe being delivered.

It seems disingenuous at best to count a box of 100 gloves as 100 items.

Dragster, you said you bought them in packs of 100. Do you really count them as individual items.

I buy my screws in boxes ot 100/200/1000 etc. That's a box of screws, not 1000 screws.

I have 10,000 in my screw case. Would you like a breakdown of individual sizes?

And no, it’s a box of gloves to me. But nobody wants to sack me over the description of them :p
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Maybe the politician With large numbers is trying to demonstrate how enormous a task is being carried out.
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frillage wrote:
DragsterDriver wrote:
1000 boxes containing:

100 pairs?
50 gloves?

It’s pathetic.
But that’s not the case is it, they aren’t quoting as number of gloves, number of pairs or number of boxes. They are using it as a figure to represent individual items of ppe. Essentially they are giving the same value to a single glove as a full apron, mask or goggles.
The description is accurate, what you’re asking for is a breakdown of items.
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happyhooker wrote:Yes, which is why it's disingenuous for a politician to try and spin it as such.

Anyway, my pointless circular argument alert is going off.
It is the colossal amount of PPE that is required on a continuous basis that is the true story here. If even German health care workers are also protesting shortages we can all see what a massive problem it has been and continuous to be. But Hancock out.
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Gospel wrote:
happyhooker wrote:Yes, which is why it's disingenuous for a politician to try and spin it as such.

Anyway, my pointless circular argument alert is going off.
It is the colossal amount of PPE that is required on a continuous basis that is the true story here. If even German health care workers are also protesting shortages we can all see what a massive problem it has been and continuous to be. But Hancock out.

Tories stole the German PPE as well.
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If Jeremy Beadle was a doctor, would a box last 50% longer?..
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TB63 wrote:If Jeremy Beadle was a doctor, would a box last 50% longer?..
Jeremy Beadle had a strange Cock, on the one hand it was fairly small, on the other hand it was massive.
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Well today’s presentation has shot the conspiracy fox.
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No quite. It completely avoided the vital question of whether the gloves provided were evenly divided between left and right handed.
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shereblue wrote:No quite. It completely avoided the vital question of whether the gloves provided were evenly divided between left and right handed.
:lol: very good
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DragsterDriver wrote:
frillage wrote:
DragsterDriver wrote:
1000 boxes containing:

100 pairs?
50 gloves?

It’s pathetic.
But that’s not the case is it, they aren’t quoting as number of gloves, number of pairs or number of boxes. They are using it as a figure to represent individual items of ppe. Essentially they are giving the same value to a single glove as a full apron, mask or goggles.
The description is accurate, what you’re asking for is a breakdown of items.
Well yes, just like I suggested in my post you edited out of your reply to this one you thick plum.
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shereblue wrote:No quite. It completely avoided the vital question of whether the gloves provided were evenly divided between left and right handed.
We require transparency at once
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bimboman wrote:Well today’s presentation has shot the conspiracy fox.
Which one?
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DragsterDriver wrote:
Gospel wrote:The fuss being made over how items of PPE are counted beggar's belief. Anyone can go onto Amazon and search for surgical gloves and see that they're counted as single units and not as a pair. You buy a box of 100 gloves which is 100 items of PPE.
That’s how I buy them, 100 gloves, not 50 pairs.
Same here. I'm not buying them again unless they correct this deception.
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message #2527204 wrote:
frillage wrote:
DragsterDriver wrote:
message #2527204 wrote:
frillage wrote:]

Not a scam, it’s just fluffing the figures to make them sound more impressive.
100,000 pieces of PPE sounds better than 1000 boxes of gloves.

Just give accurate breakdown instead of trying to pull wool over peoples eyes.
100000 items of ppe is accurate as is 1000 boxes of gloves. Why has this suddenly become a 'thing'? Piers Morgan? Only a wanker would be interested.
1000 boxes containing:

100 pairs?
50 gloves?

It’s pathetic.
But that’s not the case is it, they aren’t quoting as number of gloves, number of pairs or number of boxes. They are using it as a figure to represent individual items of ppe. Essentially they are giving the same value to a single glove as a full apron, mask or goggles.
I imagine it does have the same value to the person it's protecting.
But really? It's a billion items of ppe, make it 900000 of in pairs or 800000 of in boxes. Who the fudge cares? It's shit loads by any measure.
Probably quite a few frontline workers.
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themaddog wrote:
message #2527204 wrote:
frillage wrote:
DragsterDriver wrote:
message #2527204 wrote: 100000 items of ppe is accurate as is 1000 boxes of gloves. Why has this suddenly become a 'thing'? Piers Morgan? Only a wanker would be interested.
1000 boxes containing:

100 pairs?
50 gloves?

It’s pathetic.
But that’s not the case is it, they aren’t quoting as number of gloves, number of pairs or number of boxes. They are using it as a figure to represent individual items of ppe. Essentially they are giving the same value to a single glove as a full apron, mask or goggles.
I imagine it does have the same value to the person it's protecting.
But really? It's a billion items of ppe, make it 900000 of in pairs or 800000 of in boxes. Who the fudge cares? It's shit loads by any measure.
Probably quite a few frontline workers.
No. They would care about the actual availability of stuff, not the way they are counted which is what this thread has descended to.
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Indeed- but that wouldn’t score any points.
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happyhooker wrote:
Openside wrote:
happyhooker wrote:
Openside wrote:So according to Victoria Atkins Con MP, when asked about counting a pair of gloves as 2 items of PPE,

replied with...
Victoria Atkins MP wrote:‘We are being guided by Scientific Advisors*'

*and Dominic Cummings observating (TM).

:roll:

This 'blame the scientists' game is getting ridiculous.
Well how many pieces do you think it is?? :roll:
Oh don't be a prat.
Excuse me? Of course it is two pieces, there are plenty of tasks medically that don’t require two gloves!!
Name one.

It's not playing golf ffs
A rectal exam
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