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come on guys they are obviously the "undeserving poor" I bet they have mobile phones and sky tv

otherwise they would out on bicycles, pulling themselves up by the bootstraps etc etc.

And yes the kids should suffer to teach those workshy fuckers a lesson.
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ukjim wrote:come on guys they are obviously the "undeserving poor" I bet they have mobile phones and sky tv

otherwise they would out on bicycles, pulling themselves up by the bootstraps etc etc.

And yes the kids should suffer to teach those workshy fuckers a lesson.

https://www.gov.uk/child-benefit
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bimboman wrote:
ukjim wrote:come on guys they are obviously the "undeserving poor" I bet they have mobile phones and sky tv

otherwise they would out on bicycles, pulling themselves up by the bootstraps etc etc.

And yes the kids should suffer to teach those workshy fuckers a lesson.

https://www.gov.uk/child-benefit
they spend it all on booze and fags I bet
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PCPhil wrote:I think it’s refreshing that we have a government (SPAD) able to flit like like a butterfly from one position to another on the lightest breeze of opinion poll.
I said that last election, that it isn't entirely a bad thing.
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eldanielfire wrote:
PCPhil wrote:I think it’s refreshing that we have a government (SPAD) able to flit like like a butterfly from one position to another on the lightest breeze of opinion poll.
I said that last election, that it isn't entirely a bad thing.
Democracy in action. Shouldn't expect the lefties to understand it.
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message #2527204 wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
PCPhil wrote:I think it’s refreshing that we have a government (SPAD) able to flit like like a butterfly from one position to another on the lightest breeze of opinion poll.
I said that last election, that it isn't entirely a bad thing.
Democracy in action. Shouldn't expect the lefties to understand it.

Until Harry Kane publishes his manifesto for social care in the 21st century.
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bimboman wrote:
message #2527204 wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
PCPhil wrote:I think it’s refreshing that we have a government (SPAD) able to flit like like a butterfly from one position to another on the lightest breeze of opinion poll.
I said that last election, that it isn't entirely a bad thing.
Democracy in action. Shouldn't expect the lefties to understand it.

Until Harry Kane publishes his manifesto for social care in the 21st century.
When is Raab gonna move to left back?
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happyhooker wrote:Oh god, have we started on the 'takeaway/crap food is more expensive' sideshow again.

It's a nuanced argument, so I don't expect you to get it, but it is a combination of things, including education and attitude. There is, however, a serious cost element in why the poorest amongst us eat rubbish food. I'm not going into it again, but the bootstrap cook puts it far better than I could anyway.
Seriously, I disagree. Broadly the parents who don't feed their kids properly know broadly hat chips, pizza and burgers are not healthy and salads, veg and unprocessed foods are healthier and cheaper. A pizza may be a quid or two, but a pasta pot is even less. Education isn't a problem in this case. I know because I've led or been part of many outreach programs, experiments and trails at my schools for Pupil premium kids.

It comes down to selfish, lazy or bad parenting in most cases. It's not about rich or poor. It's years of neglect. It afflicts a fair few rich parents as well. Plenty of poor parents never fail to provide a meal for their kids. Now why bad parenting of this kind falls into poor households more is another debate.
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PCPhil wrote:
happyhooker wrote:
message #2527204 wrote:Image
Oh ffs.
Worth a repeat. Oh.....f.....f.....s.....

Do a bit of research in future.
It's Message.

Any research he does will support his reasoning or it will be jettisoned as unreliable.
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Rinkals wrote:
PCPhil wrote:
happyhooker wrote:
message #2527204 wrote:Image
Oh ffs.
Worth a repeat. Oh.....f.....f.....s.....

Do a bit of research in future.
It's Message.

Any research he does will support his reasoning or it will be jettisoned as unreliable.
I researched that graph. Just so happens that along with the tens of thousands he's helping, Rashford could be condemning tens of thousands of kids to a miserable unfit life and then death by covid.
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eldanielfire wrote:
PCPhil wrote:I think it’s refreshing that we have a government (SPAD) able to flit like like a butterfly from one position to another on the lightest breeze of opinion poll.
I said that last election, that it isn't entirely a bad thing.
When it comes to these common sense issues which they get wrong at first, I'm glad they're U-turn government.
And if a government can admit they get some things wrong, because of lack of knowledge or understanding of a certain situation for example, I'm all for it, and it would actually make the politicians more credible.

Though the amount of U-turns, or changes in direction/policy, does eventually become a concern. The question arises: are the politicians so badly informed, or so inept, that they can't devise policies without getting things wrong first? Being corrected by experts is one thing, having to be corrected by a 22-year-old footballer is not a good look (obviously the footballer in question has good understanding of the issue, and a platform to make changes).
And if they struggle devising policies, how can we build trust in them to actually implement them?

And one of the biggest issues that they needed to make a U-turn on to ensure public confidence in the government, the Cummings issue, was publicly defended by the PM and further issues ignored.
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If Eldanielbore is leading an outreach program on healthy eating is it any wonder he has no impact, it’s a miracle the poor bastards even come out of their coma.
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message #2527204 wrote:
Rinkals wrote:
PCPhil wrote:
happyhooker wrote:
message #2527204 wrote:Image
Oh ffs.
Worth a repeat. Oh.....f.....f.....s.....

Do a bit of research in future.
It's Message.

Any research he does will support his reasoning or it will be jettisoned as unreliable.
I researched that graph. Just so happens that along with the tens of thousands he's helping, Rashford could be condemning tens of thousands of kids to a miserable unfit life and then death by covid.
Never go full retard.
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frillage wrote:
message #2527204 wrote:
Rinkals wrote:
PCPhil wrote:
happyhooker wrote: Oh ffs.
Worth a repeat. Oh.....f.....f.....s.....

Do a bit of research in future.
It's Message.

Any research he does will support his reasoning or it will be jettisoned as unreliable.
I researched that graph. Just so happens that along with the tens of thousands he's helping, Rashford could be condemning tens of thousands of kids to a miserable unfit life and then death by covid.
Never go full retard.
Excellent argument.

I think having compulsory sport and athletics taught on school pitches during the summer would be benificial in the long run. A twin pronged attack.
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:lol: On the Rashford extended free lucnhes thing, Labour tweeted out

The Labour Party
@UKLabour
We did it! Thank you to everyone who campaigned for #HolidaysWithoutHunger Raising hands
Now every one is calling them John Terry :lol: :lol: :lol:
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eldanielfire wrote:
happyhooker wrote:Oh god, have we started on the 'takeaway/crap food is more expensive' sideshow again.

It's a nuanced argument, so I don't expect you to get it, but it is a combination of things, including education and attitude. There is, however, a serious cost element in why the poorest amongst us eat rubbish food. I'm not going into it again, but the bootstrap cook puts it far better than I could anyway.
Seriously, I disagree. Broadly the parents who don't feed their kids properly know broadly hat chips, pizza and burgers are not healthy and salads, veg and unprocessed foods are healthier and cheaper. A pizza may be a quid or two, but a pasta pot is even less. Education isn't a problem in this case. I know because I've led or been part of many outreach programs, experiments and trails at my schools for Pupil premium kids.

It comes down to selfish, lazy or bad parenting in most cases. It's not about rich or poor. It's years of neglect. It afflicts a fair few rich parents as well. Plenty of poor parents never fail to provide a meal for their kids. Now why bad parenting of this kind falls into poor households more is another debate.
It's like you didn't even read my post. I highlighted that cost was only one of the problems. I even mentioned education and attitude. And the word nuance.

Oh and bimbo, I could have written your response in advance.
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eldanielfire wrote::lol: On the Rashford extended free lucnhes thing, Labour tweeted out

The Labour Party
@UKLabour
We did it! Thank you to everyone who campaigned for #HolidaysWithoutHunger Raising hands
Now every one is calling them John Terry :lol: :lol: :lol:
Rashford's dad is a drug dealer?
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Indeed HH, but that’s because you’re quoting a Marxist activist attention seeking twat.
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happyhooker wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
happyhooker wrote:Oh god, have we started on the 'takeaway/crap food is more expensive' sideshow again.

It's a nuanced argument, so I don't expect you to get it, but it is a combination of things, including education and attitude. There is, however, a serious cost element in why the poorest amongst us eat rubbish food. I'm not going into it again, but the bootstrap cook puts it far better than I could anyway.
Seriously, I disagree. Broadly the parents who don't feed their kids properly know broadly hat chips, pizza and burgers are not healthy and salads, veg and unprocessed foods are healthier and cheaper. A pizza may be a quid or two, but a pasta pot is even less. Education isn't a problem in this case. I know because I've led or been part of many outreach programs, experiments and trails at my schools for Pupil premium kids.

It comes down to selfish, lazy or bad parenting in most cases. It's not about rich or poor. It's years of neglect. It afflicts a fair few rich parents as well. Plenty of poor parents never fail to provide a meal for their kids. Now why bad parenting of this kind falls into poor households more is another debate.
It's like you didn't even read my post. I highlighted that cost was only one of the problems. I even mentioned education and attitude. And the word nuance.

Oh and bimbo, I could have written your response in advance.
Sorry if I misunderstood, but it reads like you are saying junkfood is cheaper, hence the poor problem, certainly after the first line when you dismiss takeaways are more expensive arguments. Apologies if I got the wrong gist.
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Frodder wrote:
eldanielfire wrote::lol: On the Rashford extended free lucnhes thing, Labour tweeted out

The Labour Party
@UKLabour
We did it! Thank you to everyone who campaigned for #HolidaysWithoutHunger Raising hands
Now every one is calling them John Terry :lol: :lol: :lol:
Rashford's dad is a drug dealer?
Not Rashford, The Labour party. I don't know if Keir Hardie dealt drugs.
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eldanielfire wrote:
Frodder wrote:
eldanielfire wrote::lol: On the Rashford extended free lucnhes thing, Labour tweeted out

The Labour Party
@UKLabour
We did it! Thank you to everyone who campaigned for #HolidaysWithoutHunger Raising hands
Now every one is calling them John Terry :lol: :lol: :lol:
Rashford's dad is a drug dealer?
Not Rashford, The Labour party. I don't know if Keir Hardie dealt drugs.
What's the John Terry connection (dare I ask)
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Probably a reference to the time Terry bombed a cup final celebration by donning a top to pretend he was playing in the game that won the title. Or something like that.
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dargotronV.1 wrote:Probably a reference to the time Terry bombed a cup final celebration by donning a top to pretend he was playing in the game that won the title. Or something like that.
Oh right, not his baiting of American tourists in the aftermath of 911 or his mum being a shoplifter
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Frodder wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
Frodder wrote:
eldanielfire wrote::lol: On the Rashford extended free lucnhes thing, Labour tweeted out

The Labour Party
@UKLabour
We did it! Thank you to everyone who campaigned for #HolidaysWithoutHunger Raising hands
Now every one is calling them John Terry :lol: :lol: :lol:
Rashford's dad is a drug dealer?
Not Rashford, The Labour party. I don't know if Keir Hardie dealt drugs.
What's the John Terry connection (dare I ask)

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Frodder wrote:
dargotronV.1 wrote:Probably a reference to the time Terry bombed a cup final celebration by donning a top to pretend he was playing in the game that won the title. Or something like that.
Oh right, not his baiting of American tourists in the aftermath of 911 or his mum being a shoplifter
Bloomin eck didn't know that. I think we can all agree that Mr Rashford sets a better example than Mr Terry.
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dargotronV.1 wrote:
Frodder wrote:
dargotronV.1 wrote:Probably a reference to the time Terry bombed a cup final celebration by donning a top to pretend he was playing in the game that won the title. Or something like that.
Oh right, not his baiting of American tourists in the aftermath of 911 or his mum being a shoplifter
Bloomin eck didn't know that. I think we can all agree that Mr Rashford sets a better example than Mr Terry.
Many people's wives agree.
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dargotronV.1 wrote:
Frodder wrote:
dargotronV.1 wrote:Probably a reference to the time Terry bombed a cup final celebration by donning a top to pretend he was playing in the game that won the title. Or something like that.
Oh right, not his baiting of American tourists in the aftermath of 911 or his mum being a shoplifter
Bloomin eck didn't know that. I think we can all agree that Mr Rashford sets a better example than Mr Terry.
I think we can agree that he sets a better example than whoever writes the Labour party twits
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SaintK wrote:
bimboman wrote:
Why on earth should he be paid the same as you? He's being paid what the market thinks his worth.

I’m not asking for his “pay” to be changed , just that he should be taxed before I am for policies he wants enacted, how isn’t that fair?
So a higher taxex for the wealthy? That's not like your usual position.
Are he suggesting that Remoaners shouldn't have to pay taxes post-Brexit?
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Yer Man wrote:
SaintK wrote:
bimboman wrote:
Why on earth should he be paid the same as you? He's being paid what the market thinks his worth.

I’m not asking for his “pay” to be changed , just that he should be taxed before I am for policies he wants enacted, how isn’t that fair?
So a higher taxex for the wealthy? That's not like your usual position.
Are he suggesting that Remoaners shouldn't have to pay taxes post-Brexit?

Are not. That was a decision reached by a democratic mandate not a footballers strop.
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Rashford will easy be paying the top rate of income tax. But I welcome comrade Bimbo in his quest for the tax rate to increase for top earners.
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bimboman wrote:
Yer Man wrote:
SaintK wrote:
bimboman wrote:
Why on earth should he be paid the same as you? He's being paid what the market thinks his worth.

I’m not asking for his “pay” to be changed , just that he should be taxed before I am for policies he wants enacted, how isn’t that fair?
So a higher taxex for the wealthy? That's not like your usual position.
Are he suggesting that Remoaners shouldn't have to pay taxes post-Brexit?

Are not. That was a decision reached by a democratic mandate not a footballers strop.
Really? Just stop it.
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I like haggis wrote:Rashford will easy be paying the top rate of income tax. But I welcome comrade Bimbo in his quest for the tax rate to increase for top earners.
Next thing you know he'll be demanding that the Tories stop taking donations from tax exiles ... :shock:
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Boris stating he didn't know about the free school meal thingy until today. You just got to love the guy
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Really? Just stop it.

Yes really. Some time soon similar policy changes will be made by noise and media and it’ll be something you don’t approve of. It’s a terrible way to govern.
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I like haggis wrote:Rashford will easy be paying the top rate of income tax. But I welcome comrade Bimbo in his quest for the tax rate to increase for top earners.

I want a “rashford tax” ....
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bimboman wrote:
Really? Just stop it.

Yes really. Some time soon similar policy changes will be made by noise and media and it’ll be something you don’t approve of. It’s a terrible way to govern.
You mean there aren't ex MP's, Spads and party donors lobbying their own interests affecting policy already. Unfortunately we rarely get to hear most of those
Not comparable to what Rashford achieved today
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Frodder wrote:Boris stating he didn't know about the free school meal thingy until today. You just got to love the guy
When you say 'love'......
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bimboman wrote:Indeed HH, but that’s because you’re quoting a Marxist activist attention seeking twat.
On the contrary, she's very pleasant but can see why she would rile you.
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SaintK wrote:
bimboman wrote:
Really? Just stop it.

Yes really. Some time soon similar policy changes will be made by noise and media and it’ll be something you don’t approve of. It’s a terrible way to govern.
You mean there aren't ex MP's, Spads and party donors lobbying their own interests affecting policy already. Unfortunately we rarely get to hear most of those
Not comparable to what Rashford achieved today

As I said one day you won’t approve. All we’ve done is take another step to a socialist state.
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eldanielfire wrote:
happyhooker wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
happyhooker wrote:Oh god, have we started on the 'takeaway/crap food is more expensive' sideshow again.

It's a nuanced argument, so I don't expect you to get it, but it is a combination of things, including education and attitude. There is, however, a serious cost element in why the poorest amongst us eat rubbish food. I'm not going into it again, but the bootstrap cook puts it far better than I could anyway.
Seriously, I disagree. Broadly the parents who don't feed their kids properly know broadly hat chips, pizza and burgers are not healthy and salads, veg and unprocessed foods are healthier and cheaper. A pizza may be a quid or two, but a pasta pot is even less. Education isn't a problem in this case. I know because I've led or been part of many outreach programs, experiments and trails at my schools for Pupil premium kids.

It comes down to selfish, lazy or bad parenting in most cases. It's not about rich or poor. It's years of neglect. It afflicts a fair few rich parents as well. Plenty of poor parents never fail to provide a meal for their kids. Now why bad parenting of this kind falls into poor households more is another debate.
It's like you didn't even read my post. I highlighted that cost was only one of the problems. I even mentioned education and attitude. And the word nuance.

Oh and bimbo, I could have written your response in advance.
Sorry if I misunderstood, but it reads like you are saying junkfood is cheaper, hence the poor problem, certainly after the first line when you dismiss takeaways are more expensive arguments. Apologies if I got the wrong gist.
You very much misunderstood me, but it's a lovely evening and I can't be arsed.
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