His plans and vision are controlled by the NEC and the Unions. It is given to him, and he sells it to the public.Salanya wrote:EDF: your original comments on Starmer were pretty nasty. Whilst the man has only been leader of his party for a few months, all whilst under lockdown, so of course he hasn't been able to present many policies.
You want to judge him on his Brexit-work: I don't remember all the details, but he obviously wasn't very effective in his Remain-plans. But at least he had a position: the context here is that the leader of Labour for many months (2 years even?) sat on the fence on the whole issue, and the whole party/shadow government was tainted by this uncertainty/indecision: the biggest issue in the country, and the leader of the opposition didn't have any defined ideas or policies on it to present to the country.
If Starmer tried to push Corbyn on a Brexit position, then good on him (he definitely wasn't the only one - everyone was trying to push one way or another, and Corbyn ignored it as long as he could).
But let's keep it honest: Corbyn didn't pick Brexit over Remain because Starmer or anyone else pushed him - Brexit was always his big preference but this didn't naturally align with many in the party. Starmer's 2nd referendum plans may have caused some issues, but the biggest issue was already there.
The election in December won the Tories the big majority because people didn't want Corbyn, and Corbyn's Labour, in charge of the country. They didn't trust his plans on Brexit, and his vision and plans for the country were unrealistic (at best).
Apart from trying to spearhead a Second Referendum I don't remember Starmer being a big player in Corbyn's Labour. What I've seen so far of him as leader shows him to be a more rounded and capable politician and party leader than Corbyn ever was. At a time when we have someone like Boris as PM, Starmer presents a great contrast. We need to see and learn lots more about his plans and vision, and polls are of little use whilst we're in this lockdown situation.
You may disagree on the above, in which case let's agree to disagree for now and see how Starmer performs/develops over the coming months. I'm more concerned about the inept rabble that is in charge of the country, and their useless leader is in fact the subject of this thread, so let's get back to topic.
Currently, you have internationalism, understanding Britain's contribution to the dynamics of violence and insecurity across regions previously under British colonial rule, the end of the hostile environment, reduce class sizes in schools.
All demonstrations currently on our streets, and coincidentally or not, all Labout policies under Corbyn.