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shereblue wrote:Boris boasting about UK's world beating financial support packages for business and individuals.

No credit given to the British taxpayer. World beating socialism alive and well in Brexit Britain. :roll:
UK aren't in the top 5 globally
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No cricket so how the f uck can we expect rugby to start again any time soon?
Johnson says the problem with cricket is that “the ball is a natural vector of disease”. He says he has discussed this with his advisers, and they are looking at how the game can be made Covid secure.
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SaintK wrote:
shereblue wrote:Boris boasting about UK's world beating financial support packages for business and individuals.

No credit given to the British taxpayer. World beating socialism alive and well in Brexit Britain. :roll:
UK aren't in the top 5 globally

Where’s given more away, I’d,like to sell their currencies.
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bimboman wrote:
SaintK wrote:
shereblue wrote:Boris boasting about UK's world beating financial support packages for business and individuals.

No credit given to the British taxpayer. World beating socialism alive and well in Brexit Britain. :roll:
UK aren't in the top 5 globally

Where’s given more away, I’d,like to sell their currencies.
US, Germany, Japan, S Korea, France
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SaintK wrote:
bimboman wrote:
SaintK wrote:
shereblue wrote:Boris boasting about UK's world beating financial support packages for business and individuals.

No credit given to the British taxpayer. World beating socialism alive and well in Brexit Britain. :roll:
UK aren't in the top 5 globally

Where’s given more away, I’d,like to sell their currencies.
US, Germany, Japan, S Korea, France

Thanks. Are you sure about France btw? Their measure seem smaller per capita and gdp compared.

Are you measuring the UK number at around 350 billion euros ?
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bimboman wrote:
SaintK wrote:
bimboman wrote:
SaintK wrote:
shereblue wrote:Boris boasting about UK's world beating financial support packages for business and individuals.

No credit given to the British taxpayer. World beating socialism alive and well in Brexit Britain. :roll:
UK aren't in the top 5 globally

Where’s given more away, I’d,like to sell their currencies.
US, Germany, Japan, S Korea, France

Thanks. Are you sure about France btw? Their measure seem smaller per capita and gdp compared.

Are you measuring the UK number at around 350 billion euros ?
Don't know. Just recall a link to the IFS website on this thread last month after Johnson had previously boasted that the UK support was "world beating"
Think Italy was up there as well
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SaintK wrote:
bimboman wrote:
SaintK wrote:
shereblue wrote:Boris boasting about UK's world beating financial support packages for business and individuals.

No credit given to the British taxpayer. World beating socialism alive and well in Brexit Britain. :roll:
UK aren't in the top 5 globally

Where’s given more away, I’d,like to sell their currencies.
US, Germany, Japan, S Korea, France

I thought US had done next to nothing. Hence the astonishing rise in joblessness.
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What's happening re: people coming from abroad having to isolate for 2 weeks? has he mentioned that?
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terryfinch wrote:
SaintK wrote:
bimboman wrote:
SaintK wrote:
shereblue wrote:Boris boasting about UK's world beating financial support packages for business and individuals.

No credit given to the British taxpayer. World beating socialism alive and well in Brexit Britain. :roll:
UK aren't in the top 5 globally

Where’s given more away, I’d,like to sell their currencies.
US, Germany, Japan, S Korea, France

I thought US had done next to nothing. Hence the astonishing rise in joblessness.
No, quite the opposite

this is probably the ifs article
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bimboman wrote:
SaintK wrote:
bimboman wrote:
SaintK wrote:
shereblue wrote:Boris boasting about UK's world beating financial support packages for business and individuals.

No credit given to the British taxpayer. World beating socialism alive and well in Brexit Britain. :roll:
UK aren't in the top 5 globally

Where’s given more away, I’d,like to sell their currencies.
US, Germany, Japan, S Korea, France

Thanks. Are you sure about France btw? Their measure seem smaller per capita and gdp compared.

Are you measuring the UK number at around 350 billion euros ?
So Bimbo selling the dollar, the Yen and the Euro? ;)
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terryfinch wrote:
SaintK wrote:
bimboman wrote:
SaintK wrote:
shereblue wrote:Boris boasting about UK's world beating financial support packages for business and individuals.

No credit given to the British taxpayer. World beating socialism alive and well in Brexit Britain. :roll:
UK aren't in the top 5 globally

Where’s given more away, I’d,like to sell their currencies.
US, Germany, Japan, S Korea, France

I thought US had done next to nothing. Hence the astonishing rise in joblessness.
They rushed though a lot of bg money measures to save their rich corporations though. Screw the common people.
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Don't know. Just recall a link to the IFS website on this thread last month after Johnson had previously boasted that the UK support was "world beating"
Think Italy was up there as well
Great stuff. That’s me convinced.
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SaintK wrote: Don't know. Just recall a link to the IFS website on this thread last month after Johnson had previously boasted that the UK support was "world beating"
Think Italy was up there as well

So we're world beating in the sense we're among the tier 1 nations with our financial support packages, much like Italy are a tier 1 nation in rugby?
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eldanielfire wrote:They rushed though a lot of bg money measures to save their rich corporations though. Screw the common people.
No. They gave every family a stimulus cheq of 1200 a month on top of salary and unemployment benefits. And yes, they did extend their bailout measures to big as well as small companies but they're employers too and they're not alone in that. The terms of their stimulus program are pretty good(m aintain employemnt for 3 years and the loan becomes a a grant.
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bimboman wrote:
Don't know. Just recall a link to the IFS website on this thread last month after Johnson had previously boasted that the UK support was "world beating"
Think Italy was up there as well
Great stuff. That’s me convinced.
I posted the link 4 posts up if that helps
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bimboman wrote:
Don't know. Just recall a link to the IFS website on this thread last month after Johnson had previously boasted that the UK support was "world beating"
Think Italy was up there as well
Great stuff. That’s me convinced.
Good
You asked me a question I gave you an answer
Why don't you give Google a go like you usually do. You're the financial wizz anyway so would have though you would know
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paddyor wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:They rushed though a lot of bg money measures to save their rich corporations though. Screw the common people.
No. They gave every family a stimulus cheq of 1200 a month on top of salary and unemployment benefits. And yes, they did extend their bailout measures to big as well as small companies but they're employers too and they're not alone in that. The terms of their stimulus program are pretty good(m aintain employemnt for 3 years and the loan becomes a a grant.
There was a single stimulus check, not one per month; they're currently talking about a 2nd one.
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not_english wrote:
bimboman wrote:
Don't know. Just recall a link to the IFS website on this thread last month after Johnson had previously boasted that the UK support was "world beating"
Think Italy was up there as well
Great stuff. That’s me convinced.
I posted the link 4 posts up if that helps

So actually more than France. Damm close to Germany and lots more than Italy. :thumbup:
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dpedin wrote:
ovalball wrote:
terryfinch wrote:
Floppykid wrote:So we all agree the Tories have done an objectively horrible job of managing this pandemic?

Good luck with Brexit. :thumbup:
They've done OK so far. With benefit of hindsight they might have done some things differently.

Public Health England exposed as a black hole where ineffective people were sent to tell folk to smoke less and avoid sugary drinks. The pandemic exposed them as utterly unfit to manage anything else. They really struggled to open up and accept help from companies, universities etc when the pandemic struck. The Soviet style command and control of the NHS/PHE just did not work well in that situation. To the government's credit they just worked round PHE on PPE and testing and eventually got it working OK.

You can argue about when was the right time to lockdown and they should probably have locked down a week earlier and cancelled Cheltenham Races, 6Ns match at Twickers... however evidence seems to suggest the epidemic had already peaked by then anyway.

Care homes was a disaster. NHS to blame for releasing patients back to care homes without testing them first. Care home owners to blame for not locking down immediately and far more effectively. Government to blame for not spotting what was happening in this sector of particularly vulnerable people (warning signs were there in France and Italy so should have been far more proactive).
'They've done OK, so far' :?

What would your definition of 'not OK' be then ?
60,000+ excess deaths? Highest number of excess deaths in Europe? Highest number of excess deaths in the 45-64 age group in Europe? Numerous balls ups including for example the £11m pissed against a wall on an app that everyone told them was never going to work and then to lie about it when it didnt work. The list is endless.

Its hard to say the UK Gov have done anything well given the 'outcomes' they have delivered. In same basket case as US and Brazil for ineptitude, lies and misinformation and poor outcomes. Coming out of EU with no deal/bad deal will be out of the same playbook. Brace yourself guys ...
There were 50,000+ excess deaths from flu in 2017-18. Don’t see anyone on here saying how terrible that was and how the government failed miserably. This CV19 is a very nasty disease and we’ve done OK. It could have been a lot worse.
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bimboman wrote:
not_english wrote:
bimboman wrote:
Don't know. Just recall a link to the IFS website on this thread last month after Johnson had previously boasted that the UK support was "world beating"
Think Italy was up there as well
Great stuff. That’s me convinced.
I posted the link 4 posts up if that helps

So actually more than France. Damm close to Germany and lots more than Italy. :thumbup:
Great! Happy now?
So not the world beating financial support in the world as Johnson keeps on boasting.
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SaintK wrote:
bimboman wrote:
not_english wrote:
bimboman wrote:
Don't know. Just recall a link to the IFS website on this thread last month after Johnson had previously boasted that the UK support was "world beating"
Think Italy was up there as well
Great stuff. That’s me convinced.
I posted the link 4 posts up if that helps

So actually more than France. Damm close to Germany and lots more than Italy. :thumbup:
Great! Happy now?
So not the world beating financial support in the world as Johnson keeps on boasting.

I reckon 4th or 5th out of 200 could be described as pretty good.
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terryfinch wrote:
dpedin wrote:
ovalball wrote:
terryfinch wrote:
Floppykid wrote:So we all agree the Tories have done an objectively horrible job of managing this pandemic?

Good luck with Brexit. :thumbup:
They've done OK so far. With benefit of hindsight they might have done some things differently.

Public Health England exposed as a black hole where ineffective people were sent to tell folk to smoke less and avoid sugary drinks. The pandemic exposed them as utterly unfit to manage anything else. They really struggled to open up and accept help from companies, universities etc when the pandemic struck. The Soviet style command and control of the NHS/PHE just did not work well in that situation. To the government's credit they just worked round PHE on PPE and testing and eventually got it working OK.

You can argue about when was the right time to lockdown and they should probably have locked down a week earlier and cancelled Cheltenham Races, 6Ns match at Twickers... however evidence seems to suggest the epidemic had already peaked by then anyway.

Care homes was a disaster. NHS to blame for releasing patients back to care homes without testing them first. Care home owners to blame for not locking down immediately and far more effectively. Government to blame for not spotting what was happening in this sector of particularly vulnerable people (warning signs were there in France and Italy so should have been far more proactive).
'They've done OK, so far' :?

What would your definition of 'not OK' be then ?
60,000+ excess deaths? Highest number of excess deaths in Europe? Highest number of excess deaths in the 45-64 age group in Europe? Numerous balls ups including for example the £11m pissed against a wall on an app that everyone told them was never going to work and then to lie about it when it didnt work. The list is endless.

Its hard to say the UK Gov have done anything well given the 'outcomes' they have delivered. In same basket case as US and Brazil for ineptitude, lies and misinformation and poor outcomes. Coming out of EU with no deal/bad deal will be out of the same playbook. Brace yourself guys ...
There were 50,000+ excess deaths from flu in 2017-18. Don’t see anyone on here saying how terrible that was and how the government failed miserably. This CV19 is a very nasty disease and we’ve done OK. It could have been a lot worse.
It could - but nearly every other country seems to have been managing it considerably better - so I'd say that, as it currently stands, that's a poor outcome - especially considering we had the advantage of seeing what had been happening in Spain and Italy.
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bimboman wrote:

I reckon 4th or 5th out of 200 could be described as pretty good.
It is - I think they've done very well with their excellent financial support measures. Just wish they'd not claim something that it isn't - there's really no need.
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ovalball wrote:
bimboman wrote:

I reckon 4th or 5th out of 200 could be described as pretty good.
It is - I think they've done very well with their excellent financial support measures. Just wish they'd not claim something that it isn't - there's really no need.
Yes but who is to check? The support financially has been so far fantastic and very few are going to read up on where in Europe has better.

The big big problem they have is the wave of unemployment coming up. Will require even more creativity.
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I like haggis wrote:
ovalball wrote:
bimboman wrote:

I reckon 4th or 5th out of 200 could be described as pretty good.
It is - I think they've done very well with their excellent financial support measures. Just wish they'd not claim something that it isn't - there's really no need.
Yes but who is to check? The support financially has been so far fantastic and very few are going to read up on where in Europe has better.

The big big problem they have is the wave of unemployment coming up. Will require even more creativity.

We might even reach French or Spanish levels of Unemployment.
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ovalball wrote:
terryfinch wrote:
dpedin wrote:
ovalball wrote:
terryfinch wrote: They've done OK so far. With benefit of hindsight they might have done some things differently.

Public Health England exposed as a black hole where ineffective people were sent to tell folk to smoke less and avoid sugary drinks. The pandemic exposed them as utterly unfit to manage anything else. They really struggled to open up and accept help from companies, universities etc when the pandemic struck. The Soviet style command and control of the NHS/PHE just did not work well in that situation. To the government's credit they just worked round PHE on PPE and testing and eventually got it working OK.

You can argue about when was the right time to lockdown and they should probably have locked down a week earlier and cancelled Cheltenham Races, 6Ns match at Twickers... however evidence seems to suggest the epidemic had already peaked by then anyway.

Care homes was a disaster. NHS to blame for releasing patients back to care homes without testing them first. Care home owners to blame for not locking down immediately and far more effectively. Government to blame for not spotting what was happening in this sector of particularly vulnerable people (warning signs were there in France and Italy so should have been far more proactive).
'They've done OK, so far' :?

What would your definition of 'not OK' be then ?
60,000+ excess deaths? Highest number of excess deaths in Europe? Highest number of excess deaths in the 45-64 age group in Europe? Numerous balls ups including for example the £11m pissed against a wall on an app that everyone told them was never going to work and then to lie about it when it didnt work. The list is endless.

Its hard to say the UK Gov have done anything well given the 'outcomes' they have delivered. In same basket case as US and Brazil for ineptitude, lies and misinformation and poor outcomes. Coming out of EU with no deal/bad deal will be out of the same playbook. Brace yourself guys ...
There were 50,000+ excess deaths from flu in 2017-18. Don’t see anyone on here saying how terrible that was and how the government failed miserably. This CV19 is a very nasty disease and we’ve done OK. It could have been a lot worse.
It could - but nearly every other country seems to have been managing it considerably better - so I'd say that, as it currently stands, that's a poor outcome - especially considering we had the advantage of seeing what had been happening in Spain and Italy.
As it currently stands, then yes. But it hasn't magically gone away, and we still can't prevent or cure it.
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paddyor wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:They rushed though a lot of bg money measures to save their rich corporations though. Screw the common people.
No. They gave every family a stimulus cheq of 1200 a month on top of salary and unemployment benefits. And yes, they did extend their bailout measures to big as well as small companies but they're employers too and they're not alone in that. The terms of their stimulus program are pretty good(m aintain employemnt for 3 years and the loan becomes a a grant.
I thought the $1200 was a one time thing?

"Direct payments to people: One-time payments of $1,200 per adult, $2,400 per couple, $500 per child. Amounts begin phasing out at $75,000 for individuals, $150,000 per couple."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... rican.html
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terryfinch wrote:There were 50,000+ excess deaths from flu in 2017-18. Don’t see anyone on here saying how terrible that was and how the government failed miserably. This CV19 is a very nasty disease and we’ve done OK. It could have been a lot worse.
Was that not 50,000 excess winter deaths from all causes in 2017/18? Of which all respiratory diseases contributed 34.7% - around 17,350.
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I don't know if I missed it, or it wasn't mentioned in the buffoon's speech.

Is Parliament going to reopen in sync with the 1m'ish guidance for Pubs; or does he consider it more like a nightclub, than a boozer ?
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fishfoodie wrote:I don't know if I missed it, or it wasn't mentioned in the buffoon's speech.

Is Parliament going to reopen in sync with the 1m'ish guidance for Pubs; or does he consider it more like a nightclub, than a boozer ?
A comedy club surely ?
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fishfoodie wrote:I don't know if I missed it, or it wasn't mentioned in the buffoon's speech.

Is Parliament going to reopen in sync with the 1m'ish guidance for Pubs; or does he consider it more like a nightclub, than a boozer ?
It's a cut price boozer, all those subsidised bars
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fishfoodie wrote:I don't know if I missed it, or it wasn't mentioned in the buffoon's speech.

Is Parliament going to reopen in sync with the 1m'ish guidance for Pubs; or does he consider it more like a nightclub, than a boozer ?
Zoos have been open since June 15th
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Does anyone know who's getting the gig to develop a track and trace system for the pubs? Hello, GDPR my old friend...
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The Man Without Fear wrote:Does anyone know who's getting the gig to develop a track and trace system for the pubs? Hello, GDPR my old friend...
I think the names and numbers will be going to contact tracers rather than app based for now so that's Serco and all their subs and then Google/Apple if they do an app.

Serco are so incompetent any GDPR breach will be down to stupid rather than malicious.
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Starmer's really battering Boris these last few PMQs eh?
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Floppykid wrote:Starmer's really battering Boris these last few PMQs eh?
That certainly isn't what Bimbo, Massage et al are telling us.

Who to believe...
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Boris accuses Keir Starmer of using misleading Cornonavirus statistics.

Keir Starmer responds with: The figures that the Prime Minister says are inadvertently misleading are from the slide at his press conference yesterday.”
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Floppykid wrote:Starmer's really battering Boris these last few PMQs eh?

Not really. Starmer is so sleep inducing it is 'like being mauled by a dead sheep', as the phrase goes. Boris just bats him off at will and then asks whether he supports kids going back to school. Starmer doesn't answer (because he doesn't want to infuriate his union paymasters) and so we go on.
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Rinkals wrote:
Floppykid wrote:Starmer's really battering Boris these last few PMQs eh?
That certainly isn't what Bimbo, Massage et al are telling us.

Who to believe...
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*something something* Millionaire *something something* forensic *something something* boring *something something* union paymasters
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terryfinch wrote:
Floppykid wrote:Starmer's really battering Boris these last few PMQs eh?

Not really. Starmer is so sleep inducing it is 'like being mauled by a dead sheep', as the phrase goes. Boris just bats him off at will and then asks whether he supports kids going back to school. Starmer doesn't answer (because he doesn't want to infuriate his union paymasters) and so we go on.
You didn't watch it did you.
Johnson was embarrassingly bad. Was told off by the Speaker for implying that Starmer was misleading the House. Was factually incorrect on his own figures, repeated the crap about how well track and trace was working whilst denying any other country had a track and trace app working anyway! He was at his bumbling, defensive worst.
Boris Johnson has never won an exchange with Sir Keir Starmer (or anyone?) on a matter of detail. He can survive by changing the subject (as he did reasonably effectively last week), but it does not always work, and it certainly didn’t today. He floundered badly. It was almost dismal.
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