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Saint wrote:

TheDocForgotHisLogon wrote:

Saint wrote:

TheDocForgotHisLogon wrote:

Lobby wrote:I understand Cabinet meetings will be on Skype for Business rather than Zoom now, because of concerns about security.

How the utter fudge is it that the spooks haven't commissioned a Zoom-a-like that's propper secure. I mean c'mon tae fudge.

They have. There's an extremely secure VC platform built by GCHQ that;s available for all government departments to use. It's a fair bit more expensive than Zoom/Webex/teams, but it;s extremely secure, while also allowing remote parties to dial in. The Cabinet Office chose to purchase something cheaper.

Moving from Zoom to SfB though is really just picking a different poison.

Jesus. Thanks for the info.

Who's getting fired? E.g. if the GCHQ (clue's in the title) / MI5 / MI6 aren't influential enough to get in there and scream DON'T! then what are they for?

When it comes to this stuff, GCHQ purely has an advisory role - it has no power to enforce security standards on the rest of government. Each department is supposed to determine it's own requirements, evaluate possible suppliers, and is directed to obtain best "value for money". This being government procurement, "value for money" all too often devolves down to "cheapest", especially when procurement managers are generalists rather than technical specialists.

Where does the extra cost come in from using the one built by GCHQ if it is already used in parts of the government? It must be cheaper than even the basic zoom subscription or am i missing something?

Well, that's the twatwaffle off to hospital, and a lot of furious spinning going on.

TheDocForgotHisLogon wrote:Well, that's the twatwaffle off to hospital, and a lot of furious spinning going on.

What is the spin?

Gospel wrote:

TheDocForgotHisLogon wrote:Well, that's the twatwaffle off to hospital, and a lot of furious spinning going on.

What is the spin?

'Precautionary", "he's got a temperature", "his hand's very much on the tiller". It's all upbeat and reassuring from the machine, so it's reasonable to believe the opposite. Plus, you'd hardly drag your PM off to hospital in the current circumstances just because he had a bit of a temperature - you'd have near-hospital levels of care in No. 11.

So, Raab's in charge. Jesus.

Lorthern Nights wrote:

Saint wrote:

TheDocForgotHisLogon wrote:

Saint wrote:

TheDocForgotHisLogon wrote: How the utter fudge is it that the spooks haven't commissioned a Zoom-a-like that's propper secure. I mean c'mon tae fudge.

They have. There's an extremely secure VC platform built by GCHQ that;s available for all government departments to use. It's a fair bit more expensive than Zoom/Webex/teams, but it;s extremely secure, while also allowing remote parties to dial in. The Cabinet Office chose to purchase something cheaper.

Moving from Zoom to SfB though is really just picking a different poison.

Jesus. Thanks for the info.

Who's getting fired? E.g. if the GCHQ (clue's in the title) / MI5 / MI6 aren't influential enough to get in there and scream DON'T! then what are they for?

When it comes to this stuff, GCHQ purely has an advisory role - it has no power to enforce security standards on the rest of government. Each department is supposed to determine it's own requirements, evaluate possible suppliers, and is directed to obtain best "value for money". This being government procurement, "value for money" all too often devolves down to "cheapest", especially when procurement managers are generalists rather than technical specialists.

Where does the extra cost come in from using the one built by GCHQ if it is already used in parts of the government? It must be cheaper than even the basic zoom subscription or am i missing something?

Just saw this. I know a bit about what's been built by GCHQ so the costs are licensing coats, plus ultimately a scaling problem

1- licensing costs. The licensing works much like Zoom/Webex etc. So you have to pay a license per host on the system. A host license for on-premise kit is perpetual ( at least for the way it's built at the moment) with an annual maintenance cost. Over around. 5 years or so, the cost for buying the license + support works out approximately the same as 5 years of subscription, but below that it's cheaper to subscribe. Given that this stuff is being procured on a short term basis, the cloud subscription looks massively cheaper

2 - hardware scaling, Video conferencing is massively hardware intensive, to a pit that it's hard to explain to a layperson just how expensive it is. Historically this has worked for cloud - the average conferencing host utilises their subscription for as little as 2% of their working time, so the larger you scale you can see how the more efficient you can be. The cloud providers were caught out a bit when suddenly that % changed to figure closer to 50%; Cisco provisioned over 15,000 additional virtual servers just in the UK to cope with this. But with a relatively small on premise solution you can't even get the benefits of scale that you get from 50% usage. So you have to over-provision very expensive HW to support a relatively small user base. Ballpark, you need to budget around £15,000 for every 200 VC participants (not hosts)

There's additional costs to incur to provision support for users outside of your organization that you might want to invite as well.

VC is one of the applications that the cloud is almost perfectly designed to solve, but not all cloud is created equally

TheDocForgotHisLogon wrote:

Gospel wrote:

TheDocForgotHisLogon wrote:Well, that's the twatwaffle off to hospital, and a lot of furious spinning going on.

What is the spin?

'Precautionary", "he's got a temperature", "his hand's very much on the tiller". It's all upbeat and reassuring from the machine, so it's reasonable to believe the opposite. Plus, you'd hardly drag your PM off to hospital in the current circumstances just because he had a bit of a temperature - you'd have near-hospital levels of care in No. 11.

So, Raab's in charge. Jesus.

It's not really "a bit of a temperature" given the context of the disease. I rather suspect he's bloody knackered and hasn't given himself time to recover fully being situated in the apartment and plugged into everything. Maybe a few days in hospital will help.

Gospel wrote:

TheDocForgotHisLogon wrote:

Gospel wrote:

TheDocForgotHisLogon wrote:Well, that's the twatwaffle off to hospital, and a lot of furious spinning going on.

What is the spin?

'Precautionary", "he's got a temperature", "his hand's very much on the tiller". It's all upbeat and reassuring from the machine, so it's reasonable to believe the opposite. Plus, you'd hardly drag your PM off to hospital in the current circumstances just because he had a bit of a temperature - you'd have near-hospital levels of care in No. 11.

So, Raab's in charge. Jesus.

It's not really "a bit of a temperature" given the context of the disease. I rather suspect he's bloody knackered and hasn't given himself time to recover fully being situated in the apartment and plugged into everything. Maybe a few days in hospital will help.

We're both speculating, but the test here for entry to hospital is pretty much needing help to breath.

TheDocForgotHisLogon wrote:

Gospel wrote:

TheDocForgotHisLogon wrote:Well, that's the twatwaffle off to hospital, and a lot of furious spinning going on.

What is the spin?

'Precautionary", "he's got a temperature", "his hand's very much on the tiller". It's all upbeat and reassuring from the machine, so it's reasonable to believe the opposite. Plus, you'd hardly drag your PM off to hospital in the current circumstances just because he had a bit of a temperature - you'd have near-hospital levels of care in No. 11.

So, Raab's in charge. Jesus.

Pretty sure Raab's had it. He was coughing a lot in Parliament in early March (when they started telling people to isolate if they have symptoms) and he was licking his fingers to turn the pages while doing the press briefing recently (or maybe he likes to live dangerously).

Political crap aside, I hope Boris gets better soon.

I hope Boris stays true to the Brexit spirit and ignores all expert advice.

Zico wrote:I hope Boris stays true to the Brexit spirit and ignores all expert advice.

Well I dare say he'll be shaking fewer hands on the way out the door this time, regardless of how it goes.

Any news on Classic Dom?

Gospel wrote:

TheDocForgotHisLogon wrote:

Gospel wrote:

TheDocForgotHisLogon wrote:Well, that's the twatwaffle off to hospital, and a lot of furious spinning going on.

What is the spin?

'Precautionary", "he's got a temperature", "his hand's very much on the tiller". It's all upbeat and reassuring from the machine, so it's reasonable to believe the opposite. Plus, you'd hardly drag your PM off to hospital in the current circumstances just because he had a bit of a temperature - you'd have near-hospital levels of care in No. 11.

So, Raab's in charge. Jesus.

It's not really "a bit of a temperature" given the context of the disease. I rather suspect he's bloody knackered and hasn't given himself time to recover fully being situated in the apartment and plugged into everything. Maybe a few days in hospital will help.

I know you're probably just trying to be realistic but I think we should try and hold off on this type of negativity

TheDocForgotHisLogon wrote:

Gospel wrote:

TheDocForgotHisLogon wrote:

Gospel wrote:

TheDocForgotHisLogon wrote:Well, that's the twatwaffle off to hospital, and a lot of furious spinning going on.

What is the spin?

'Precautionary", "he's got a temperature", "his hand's very much on the tiller". It's all upbeat and reassuring from the machine, so it's reasonable to believe the opposite. Plus, you'd hardly drag your PM off to hospital in the current circumstances just because he had a bit of a temperature - you'd have near-hospital levels of care in No. 11.

So, Raab's in charge. Jesus.

It's not really "a bit of a temperature" given the context of the disease. I rather suspect he's bloody knackered and hasn't given himself time to recover fully being situated in the apartment and plugged into everything. Maybe a few days in hospital will help.

We're both speculating, but the test here for entry to hospital is pretty much needing help to breath.

I've just seen a specialist describing what kind of tests they could be carrying out and why it's advisable if he is not getting better after such along time. So while we are all speculating just remember he is the PM and his "test for entry to hospital" is not the same as yours or mine.

If Boris carks it, it would be the cheapest state funeral in history.

Hope he gets better though.

Auckman wrote:If Boris carks it, it would be the cheapest state funeral in history.

Hope he gets better though.

I don't think he's entitled to a state funeral, is he?

Stay classy swarm

I reckon he's in the shit, press reporting he was given oxygen on arrival- i fail to believe downing street isn't kitted out to the standard of having oxygen on tap if needed.

DragsterDriver wrote:Stay classy swarm

I reckon he's in the shit, press reporting he was given oxygen on arrival- i fail to believe downing street isn't kitted out to the standard of having oxygen on tap if needed.

In photo's he looks terrible. Not that I'd wish physical ill on him but he hasn't taken this seriously, he took his usual Boris-it-can't-go-wrong-for-me-ever attitude, and now he's an unnecessary burden on the health service.

wreckthehouse wrote:

Muttonbirds wrote:

wreckthehouse wrote:

La soule wrote:

Floppykid wrote:Toryboys really do hate Macron.

Not xenophobe enough.

Do you really look at the gerontophillic little midget and see anything other than an anti-democratic globalist who hates his own
people ?

QED

What specifically was xenophobic about that comment ?

Tory boys hating Macron. Odd, because he's not Left at all. Must be about the hot wife.

DragsterDriver wrote:Stay classy swarm

I reckon he's in the shit, press reporting he was given oxygen on arrival- i fail to believe downing street isn't kitted out to the standard of having oxygen on tap if needed.

He probably needs sleep as well as help with breathing, so would need to be under medical supervision for the night.

As regards Downing Street, I'd imagine any "hospital" room there dates back to the IRA campaign of the '80's at the latest, and I wouldn't be surprised if it dated back further to the cold war 1960's. As he already has covid-19 he'd be much safer in a big teaching hospital.

Hope and expect he'll recover.

DragsterDriver wrote:
I reckon he's in the shit, press reporting he was given oxygen on arrival- i fail to believe downing street isn't kitted out to the standard of having oxygen on tap if needed.

On the other hand, they aren't going to take any chances with the PM. He's an obese 55year old. The odds are that he will pull through. I certainly wish him no ill will.

Christ what a hilarious situation.

Duff Paddy wrote:

DragsterDriver wrote:
I reckon he's in the shit, press reporting he was given oxygen on arrival- i fail to believe downing street isn't kitted out to the standard of having oxygen on tap if needed.

On the other hand, they aren't going to take any chances with the PM. He's an obese 55year old. The odds are that he will pull through. I certainly wish him no ill will.

Is he a big drinker? Maybe that has caused complications.

SFA hilarious about it. Might think the man's a gombeen, but wouldn't wish this C-19 shite on my worst enemy - and he's certainly not that.

Hope he makes a speedy and full recovery so some of us can get back to guilt-free disparaging.

c69 wrote:Now now unseen, lets be nice.
In a worrying development I hear there are cases of covid causing neurological signs and symptoms.
Boris will be exhausted after this and will probably need a period of prolonged convalescence.

To that prick? He's never earned an ounce of civility from me.

DragsterDriver wrote:Stay classy swarm

I reckon he's in the shit, press reporting he was given oxygen on arrival- i fail to believe downing street isn't kitted out to the standard of having oxygen on tap if needed.

I'd make you right. if he was given oxygen on arrival he would have been getting it at downing street. He looked so farked the other night when he came to the door I reckon he was probably on it then.

c69 wrote:

unseenwork wrote:

c69 wrote:Now now unseen, lets be nice.
In a worrying development I hear there are cases of covid causing neurological signs and symptoms.
Boris will be exhausted after this and will probably need a period of prolonged convalescence.

To that prick? He's never earned an ounce of civility from me.

That may be so but I would not wish ill of him.

I think he's at the recieving end of a big dose of karma and given his attitude about the whole affair it's quite amusing that he should be laid out like this.

Duff Paddy wrote:

DragsterDriver wrote:
I reckon he's in the shit, press reporting he was given oxygen on arrival- i fail to believe downing street isn't kitted out to the standard of having oxygen on tap if needed.

On the other hand, they aren't going to take any chances with the PM. He's an obese 55year old. The odds are that he will pull through. I certainly wish him no ill will.

Is that the Duff definition of obese ?

Anonymous. wrote:

Duff Paddy wrote:

DragsterDriver wrote:
I reckon he's in the shit, press reporting he was given oxygen on arrival- i fail to believe downing street isn't kitted out to the standard of having oxygen on tap if needed.

On the other hand, they aren't going to take any chances with the PM. He's an obese 55year old. The odds are that he will pull through. I certainly wish him no ill will.

Is that the Duff definition of obese ?

I'd say that's the medical definition...

unseenwork wrote:

c69 wrote:

unseenwork wrote:

c69 wrote:Now now unseen, lets be nice.
In a worrying development I hear there are cases of covid causing neurological signs and symptoms.
Boris will be exhausted after this and will probably need a period of prolonged convalescence.

To that prick? He's never earned an ounce of civility from me.

That may be so but I would not wish ill of him.

I think he's at the recieving end of a big dose of karma and given his attitude about the whole affair it's quite amusing that he should be laid out like this.

I respect this position. Just because somebody is ill, it is no reason to change your opinion of them.

Of course, wishing that somebody comes to harm in the first place is pretty cuntish.

If this were a more narrative world while in hospital he'd be visited by three ghosts of those killed by austerity and give up politics.

unseenwork wrote:If this were a more narrative world while in hospital he'd be visited by three ghosts of those killed by austerity and give up politics.

Why does everyone forget the ghost of Marley?

unseenwork wrote:If this were a more narrative world while in hospital he'd be visited by three ghosts of those killed by austerity and give up politics.

And yet you support the party who introduced austerity and are wishing harm on a politician who wasn't in parliament for most of the austerity decisions and pretty much reversed it as soon as he came into power. I don't think your opinions are based off anything except your politics as usual.

unseenwork wrote:

c69 wrote:

unseenwork wrote:

c69 wrote:Now now unseen, lets be nice.
In a worrying development I hear there are cases of covid causing neurological signs and symptoms.
Boris will be exhausted after this and will probably need a period of prolonged convalescence.

To that prick? He's never earned an ounce of civility from me.

That may be so but I would not wish ill of him.

I think he's at the recieving end of a big dose of karma and given his attitude about the whole affair it's quite amusing that he should be laid out like this.

You're such a twat.

A5D5E5 wrote:

unseenwork wrote:If this were a more narrative world while in hospital he'd be visited by three ghosts of those killed by austerity and give up politics.

Why does everyone forget the ghost of Marley?

Marley was a bit superfluous afterall. Who would be his Marley then? Gove though he's still kicking around?

A5D5E5 wrote:

unseenwork wrote:If this were a more narrative world while in hospital he'd be visited by three ghosts of those killed by austerity and give up politics.

Why does everyone forget the ghost of Marley?

The labrador from the Owen Wilson/Jennifer Aniston movie?

unseenwork wrote:

A5D5E5 wrote:

unseenwork wrote:If this were a more narrative world while in hospital he'd be visited by three ghosts of those killed by austerity and give up politics.

Why does everyone forget the ghost of Marley?

Marley was a bit superfluous afterall. Who would be his Marley then? Gove though he's still kicking around?

Are we sure Jacob Rees-Mogg didn't die at some point in the 1880s?

unseenwork wrote:

A5D5E5 wrote:

unseenwork wrote:If this were a more narrative world while in hospital he'd be visited by three ghosts of those killed by austerity and give up politics.

Why does everyone forget the ghost of Marley?

Marley was a bit superfluous afterall. Who would be his Marley then? Gove though he's still kicking around?

Marley gives the initial warning to Scrooge to change his ways, so perhaps Dominic Grieve?

Leffe wrote:

Anonymous. wrote:

Duff Paddy wrote:

DragsterDriver wrote:
I reckon he's in the shit, press reporting he was given oxygen on arrival- i fail to believe downing street isn't kitted out to the standard of having oxygen on tap if needed.

On the other hand, they aren't going to take any chances with the PM. He's an obese 55year old. The odds are that he will pull through. I certainly wish him no ill will.

Is that the Duff definition of obese ?

I'd say that's the medical definition...

You reckon this guy has a BMI of over 30



Edit

I just checked his admitted weight when he said he had put weight on last year against his height and hat gives him a BMI of 32

penguin wrote:

unseenwork wrote:

A5D5E5 wrote:

unseenwork wrote:If this were a more narrative world while in hospital he'd be visited by three ghosts of those killed by austerity and give up politics.

Why does everyone forget the ghost of Marley?

Marley was a bit superfluous afterall. Who would be his Marley then? Gove though he's still kicking around?

Are we sure Jacob Rees-Mogg didn't die at some point in the 1880s?

Isn't he a bit more Edwardian than Victorian?