Rugby Australia crisis after financial deficit of $9.4 mill

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Well you all seem to think I use to have that stupid fu'cking name Bazzamacca. I wouldnt be caught dead with such a shithouse alias, but if it makes you sleep at night then fine, think what you want. I'm not sure whats worse, having the handle Noddy or Bazzamacca, both names are terrible
It's obvious that you have posted here previously under a different login. In some of your first posts you were making references to knowledge and events that only a long term poster would have known. So what was your moniker? Either tell us, or admit that you are/were bazzamacca.
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Slim 293 wrote:Fox Sports requires content to fill multiple channels, and outside of the big 3 sports - Cricket, NRL and AFL, who all have their own dedicated channels, they need live sports to fill that airtime, bring in sponsors and sell subscriptions...

Yes, rugby has been flailing for many years now, but it still brings in more viewers than most of other sports*, and rugby attracts some high end advertising dollars.

The idea that Fox Sports don't need, or want rugby, despite everything they've done over the last few months to suggest otherwise... is just f**king idiotic.

* The A League is doing worse than Super Rugby in terms of viewership - on one weekend the ratings for all 3 A League matches combined were only slightly bigger than the Sunwolves v Rebels game.
What a lot of babble. Not one fact, quote some stats Mr scoup
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Thomas wrote:
grievous wrote:
Thomas wrote:
grievous wrote:
Foxtel dont need rugby, its doesn't rate anymore wake the fvck up, they can walk away tomorrow and get more viewers with netball.
Jesus you're an aggressive wanker. Foxtel don't care about rugby not rating. They don't care if 10K or 100K watch a super rugby match. What they care about are people buying their service. That's the only thing. There would be plenty of casual rugby fans who get Foxtel and only watch a handful of games. For many of them, rugby not being on Foxtel would be the catalyst for them to drop the service.

I'm one of them.
Youre great abusing others when you have a tag team, dont dish if you cant take it dear.
So how does a channel keep rugby fans I not enticed by rugby? Put on a few games does it? Bullshit, most rugby people I know let Foxtel years ago because of lower priority rugby commands.
Its content, lots of it and lots of talk around it, eg AFL and league
I'm not sure if you're thick or just being an argumentative cunt. Let's break it down:

There are rugby fans who live and breathe the game. Most of them either have Foxtel or Kayo and they watch heaps of games on a weekend. There aren't many of these...well, not as many as other sports.

Then there are casual fans. Guys who like watching rugby but probably don't go to games. They might just watch their teams play. They might even watch other sports like AFL (about 90% of my mates fall into this category). They got Foxtel because of the sports channels and maybe because the missus likes watching renovation shows.

Then there are the families that got Foxtel for the whole family. Dad watches the sport, mum watches movies and shit and the kids watch cartoons.

Foxtel know that if they don't buy the rights to rugby union they'll lose 100% of the first group of people. No doubt about it.

They'll probably also lose a good chunk of the second group. Some might stay on but they'll eventually drift away and switch to the provider who bought the rights.

They won't lose any of the last group. This is their core group but it's getting smaller and smaller every year.

Foxtel is actually in a really bad place with regards to future growth. They are trying like fudge to remain relevant and they need to retain most if not all of their current subscribers to stay afloat in the market. They really want rugby union...especially if they can get it on the cheap. That's why Newscorp media are really driving the emotive articles. To try and persuade people that the sport is shit and no one should buy it.

Because then they'll swoop in and grab a great deal.

I have no doubt whatsoever that Fox will buy rugby.
So run then game into oblivion and then get an uptake of fans when no one else will but it? :| There are not enough fans to subscribe Kearns part time salary, research the numbers from early this season, its cactus. You pay for it, more fool you.
Anyway, Raelene, Optus, gang of ten, conspiracy blah blah blah
Im the thick one? FFS.
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grievous wrote:
Slim 293 wrote:Fox Sports requires content to fill multiple channels, and outside of the big 3 sports - Cricket, NRL and AFL, who all have their own dedicated channels, they need live sports to fill that airtime, bring in sponsors and sell subscriptions...

Yes, rugby has been flailing for many years now, but it still brings in more viewers than most of other sports*, and rugby attracts some high end advertising dollars.

The idea that Fox Sports don't need, or want rugby, despite everything they've done over the last few months to suggest otherwise... is just f**king idiotic.

* The A League is doing worse than Super Rugby in terms of viewership - on one weekend the ratings for all 3 A League matches combined were only slightly bigger than the Sunwolves v Rebels game.
What a lot of babble. Not one fact, quote some stats Mr scoup

Oh, OK...
TV ratings Saturday February 1, 2020

Super Rugby on Fox Sports
Crusaders v Waratahs 66,000
Sunwolves v Rebels 39,000

A-League on Fox Sports
Adelaide v Melbourne City 17,000
Newcastle v Western United 15,000
Perth v Melbourne Victory 15,000
https://www.mediaweek.com.au/tv-ratings ... ry-1-2020/


Not one fact... cherry picked...

Double bullseye. :lol:
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Thomas wrote:I have no doubt whatsoever that Fox will buy rugby.

The Murdoch rags held a bukkake party today, and the new RA chairman is going to need a towel...
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Thomas wrote:
Taranaki Snapper wrote:Speaking of News Corp and paywalls, I can only show the headline and lede, but is this the future for RA, the Testy Ten calling the shots?
Dissident Wallabies captains renew threat to Rugby Australia
The 10 dissident Wallabies captains are threatening to revive their threat to propose a special general meeting of Rugby Australia members unless RA chairman Paul McLean and his directors honour promises made by former board member Peter Wiggs before he resigned from the board.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/ ... 1fdb4fc9f0
Oh FFS. The Sydney boys strike again.
Stuff these guys in a small room and flood it. Like the infamous player power, they are clueless, entitled and toxic. Get it done and have a chance of advancing out of the mire. Pussy foot around and watch them bury any meaningful rugby in Australia.
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Ted. wrote:
Thomas wrote:Oh FFS. The Sydney boys strike again.
Stuff these guys in a small room and flood it. Like the infamous player power, they are clueless, entitled and toxic. Get it done and have a chance of advancing out of the mire. Pussy foot around and watch them bury any meaningful rugby in Australia.
While not resolved, things have sort of moved on from the Group of Ten of late, Ted.
    • NSW Rugby distances itself from move towards rebellion

      WAYNE SMITH
      MAY 14, 2020


      The 5pm Thursday deadline set by the 10 dissident Wallabies captains for Rugby Australia to give them assurances that the promises made by presumptive RA chairman Peter Wiggs would be honoured despite his resignation, passed on Thursday night with no action from the governing body.

      But if the captains intend to follow through on their implied threat to call an emergency general meeting, they will have to rely on a state other than NSW to propose or second the motion for an EGM, as NSWRU chairman Roger Davis on Thursday night said his state was not involved.

      “Not us,” said Davis. “I think it would be one of the minnows.”

      Almost certainly the Rugby Union Players Association would be at the forefront of calls for an EGM, but unlike in 2017, when the Melbourne Rebels supported them in a bid to bring the culling crisis to a head, it would need to be Western Australia or one of the other “southern states” that would need to step up to force a constitutional crisis.

      ...

      Paywalled link
Mind you, Roger the Dodger is just as much of a c*nt.
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Slim 293 wrote:
grievous wrote:
Slim 293 wrote:Fox Sports requires content to fill multiple channels, and outside of the big 3 sports - Cricket, NRL and AFL, who all have their own dedicated channels, they need live sports to fill that airtime, bring in sponsors and sell subscriptions...

Yes, rugby has been flailing for many years now, but it still brings in more viewers than most of other sports*, and rugby attracts some high end advertising dollars.

The idea that Fox Sports don't need, or want rugby, despite everything they've done over the last few months to suggest otherwise... is just f**king idiotic.

* The A League is doing worse than Super Rugby in terms of viewership - on one weekend the ratings for all 3 A League matches combined were only slightly bigger than the Sunwolves v Rebels game.
What a lot of babble. Not one fact, quote some stats Mr scoup

Oh, OK...
TV ratings Saturday February 1, 2020

Super Rugby on Fox Sports
Crusaders v Waratahs 66,000
Sunwolves v Rebels 39,000

A-League on Fox Sports
Adelaide v Melbourne City 17,000
Newcastle v Western United 15,000
Perth v Melbourne Victory 15,000
https://www.mediaweek.com.au/tv-ratings ... ry-1-2020/


Not one fact... cherry picked...

Double bullseye. :lol:
Against what champ....compare those with AFL and league, even netball, A league :lol: bullseye or browneye?
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Slim 293 wrote:
Thomas wrote:I have no doubt whatsoever that Fox will buy rugby.

The Murdoch rags held a bukkake party today, and the new RA chairman is going to need a towel...
Slimeys got the black lipstick on 24/7 these days the poor chap
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kiap wrote:
Ted. wrote:
Thomas wrote:Oh FFS. The Sydney boys strike again.
Stuff these guys in a small room and flood it. Like the infamous player power, they are clueless, entitled and toxic. Get it done and have a chance of advancing out of the mire. Pussy foot around and watch them bury any meaningful rugby in Australia.
While not resolved, things have sort of moved on from the Group of Ten of late, Ted.
    • NSW Rugby distances itself from move towards rebellion

      WAYNE SMITH
      MAY 14, 2020


      The 5pm Thursday deadline set by the 10 dissident Wallabies captains for Rugby Australia to give them assurances that the promises made by presumptive RA chairman Peter Wiggs would be honoured despite his resignation, passed on Thursday night with no action from the governing body.

      But if the captains intend to follow through on their implied threat to call an emergency general meeting, they will have to rely on a state other than NSW to propose or second the motion for an EGM, as NSWRU chairman Roger Davis on Thursday night said his state was not involved.

      “Not us,” said Davis. “I think it would be one of the minnows.”

      Almost certainly the Rugby Union Players Association would be at the forefront of calls for an EGM, but unlike in 2017, when the Melbourne Rebels supported them in a bid to bring the culling crisis to a head, it would need to be Western Australia or one of the other “southern states” that would need to step up to force a constitutional crisis.

      ...

      Paywalled link
Mind you, Roger the Dodger is just as much of a c*nt.
I keep saying this but there are no good guys in the game. Its so incestuous there is no such thing as an outward outlook for the sport. And it it keeps it infighting with itself.
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grievous wrote:
Slim 293 wrote:
grievous wrote:
Slim 293 wrote:Fox Sports requires content to fill multiple channels, and outside of the big 3 sports - Cricket, NRL and AFL, who all have their own dedicated channels, they need live sports to fill that airtime, bring in sponsors and sell subscriptions...

Yes, rugby has been flailing for many years now, but it still brings in more viewers than most of other sports*, and rugby attracts some high end advertising dollars.

The idea that Fox Sports don't need, or want rugby, despite everything they've done over the last few months to suggest otherwise... is just f**king idiotic.

* The A League is doing worse than Super Rugby in terms of viewership - on one weekend the ratings for all 3 A League matches combined were only slightly bigger than the Sunwolves v Rebels game.
What a lot of babble. Not one fact, quote some stats Mr scoup

Oh, OK...
TV ratings Saturday February 1, 2020

Super Rugby on Fox Sports
Crusaders v Waratahs 66,000
Sunwolves v Rebels 39,000

A-League on Fox Sports
Adelaide v Melbourne City 17,000
Newcastle v Western United 15,000
Perth v Melbourne Victory 15,000
https://www.mediaweek.com.au/tv-ratings ... ry-1-2020/


Not one fact... cherry picked...

Double bullseye. :lol:
Against what champ....compare those with AFL and league, even netball, A league :lol: bullseye or browneye?

Maybe, just maybe, trying reading the posts you're responding to... you are embarrassing yourself.
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grievous wrote:
Slim 293 wrote:
Thomas wrote:I have no doubt whatsoever that Fox will buy rugby.

The Murdoch rags held a bukkake party today, and the new RA chairman is going to need a towel...
Slimeys got the black lipstick on 24/7 these days the poor chap
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Slim 293 wrote:
grievous wrote:
Slim 293 wrote:
grievous wrote:
Slim 293 wrote:Fox Sports requires content to fill multiple channels, and outside of the big 3 sports - Cricket, NRL and AFL, who all have their own dedicated channels, they need live sports to fill that airtime, bring in sponsors and sell subscriptions...

Yes, rugby has been flailing for many years now, but it still brings in more viewers than most of other sports*, and rugby attracts some high end advertising dollars.

The idea that Fox Sports don't need, or want rugby, despite everything they've done over the last few months to suggest otherwise... is just f**king idiotic.

* The A League is doing worse than Super Rugby in terms of viewership - on one weekend the ratings for all 3 A League matches combined were only slightly bigger than the Sunwolves v Rebels game.
What a lot of babble. Not one fact, quote some stats Mr scoup

Oh, OK...
TV ratings Saturday February 1, 2020

Super Rugby on Fox Sports
Crusaders v Waratahs 66,000
Sunwolves v Rebels 39,000

A-League on Fox Sports
Adelaide v Melbourne City 17,000
Newcastle v Western United 15,000
Perth v Melbourne Victory 15,000
https://www.mediaweek.com.au/tv-ratings ... ry-1-2020/


Not one fact... cherry picked...

Double bullseye. :lol:
Against what champ....compare those with AFL and league, even netball, A league :lol: bullseye or browneye?

Maybe, just maybe, trying reading the posts you're responding to... you are embarrassing yourself.
Na dont think he is one bit. Its pretty clear who are embarassing themselves in this thread. When are you gonna post more fansite G&GR garbage to back up your assertions :lol:
Face it Grevious has been ragdolling your ass all through this thread, he is coming at it without a state bias, you just come across like some RA shill.
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RandomNavigat0r wrote:Na dont think he is one bit. Its pretty clear who are embarassing themselves in this thread. When are you gonna post more fansite G&GR garbage to back up your assertions :lol:
Face it Grevious has been ragdolling your ass all through this thread, he is coming at it without a state bias, you just come across like some RA shill.

You are a deadset loon. Semi-literate, and with nothing at all that is positive to add to this topic, all you can do is attack people and suck up to Grievous (that is how he spells his name, by the way). Why don't you just fark off back to the cesspool that you have dragged yourself out of.
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wamberal99 wrote:
RandomNavigat0r wrote:Na dont think he is one bit. Its pretty clear who are embarassing themselves in this thread. When are you gonna post more fansite G&GR garbage to back up your assertions :lol:
Face it Grevious has been ragdolling your ass all through this thread, he is coming at it without a state bias, you just come across like some RA shill.

You are a deadset loon. Semi-literate, and with nothing at all that is positive to add to this topic, all you can do is attack people and suck up to Grievous (that is how he spells his name, by the way). Why don't you just fark off back to the cesspool that you have dragged yourself out of.
I just checked back into this thread and I think you're being a bit hard on RandomNavigator - clearly his three posts in a row diatribe on the previous page is evidence that he's actually having a stroke.
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So we have a new CEO, McLennan who will take over in June.
Time enough for some shredding to be done by McLean.

Lets see if he can save the game.
Fortune favours the brave': Hamish McLennan bullish on rugby's future
Georgina Robinson
By Georgina Robinson
May 16, 2020 — 6.00am

Hamish McLennan had been approached for a potential director’s role on the Rugby Australia board weeks before coronavirus brought the world to a standstill and triggered one of the most unedifying power struggles in rugby’s history.

He presented to the current board and Super Rugby chairs just two days after the World Health Organisation gave the virus its official name, COVID-19. By the time his name made it into the public domain, in early March, the enormity of the pandemic was dawning on health and government officials.

But at that time RA’s biggest problem was still that it might have questions to answer on poor representation of women at board level if McLennan and others linked to the role, including Peter Wiggs, Brett Godfrey and a trio of Wallabies, were elected. That changed fast over the next two weeks. By March 15, Super Rugby had ceased and two home Tests against Ireland in July looked shaky.

The uncertainty was enough for the board to delay signing off on the 2019 accounts in line with provisions dictating they state whether they are aware of circumstances that could affect the status of the business as a going concern.

But when then-chief executive Raelene Castle decided to withhold the accounts, unaudited as they were, from member unions, players and the public, at RA’s March 30 annual general meeting, all hell broke loose.


The players union joined forces with a group of former Australian captains to demand change at the top of RA. They began working quietly in the background but just after Castle and new director Wiggs had secured a 60 per cent cut to player salaries until the end of September, they went public with their campaign, publishing a letter in The Australian demanding the current executive ‘‘stand aside’’ for the good of the game.

McLennan meanwhile, already being touted as chairman material to replace Cameron Clyne and his interim replacement Paul McLean, was watching from the sidelines.

‘‘At times I was quite perplexed,’’ McLennan told the Herald. ‘‘Even though a lot of that commentary comes from a place of passion, what it has done is divide the game even further and damage key stakeholders, whether it be sponsors or commercial partners. That’s why it’s important we unify the game and we all get aligned. Provided we can do that then we have a really good shot at making it work.’’

The former Ten boss, right-hand man to Rupert Murdoch and current deputy chair of $100 billion fund manager Magellan, must relish a challenge.
He takes the helm of the sport at a time when it looks like an unbankable prospect. The organisation is broke, the Wallabies are seventh in the world, Super Rugby is a maligned product and bad timing and poor relationship management have left the game with no broadcast partner and no friends in those notoriously macho circles. Oh, and a group of the game’s biggest names are waging open warfare on the organisation.

As Richmond Football Club president Peggy O’Neal observed of the Tigers’ own internecine battles in a recent ABC interview: ‘‘We went from ‘eat ’em alive’ to ‘eat our own’’’.

‘‘It’s a big challenge but a massive opportunity if we get it right,’’ McLennan said. ‘‘It’s a great sport, it’s a global game and for many years I’ve been looking at rugby from the sidelines. When I was asked to interview to join the board I thought ‘I can make a difference’, so why not jump in? Fortune favours the brave, as they say.

‘‘I’ve been in and around sports all of my life from a commercial and media perspective, so I think that ‘brand Wallaby’ is really powerful and I think rugby is a very powerful brand too. I think we can do a better job of how we can promote the game.’’

He does not officially take over from McLean until June 15 but made his priorities clear in his first public comments on Friday. Those priorities are: convince incoming Wallabies coach Dave Rennie that taking the Australia job was not as risky a move as it has looked in recent weeks; cut RA’s cloth to allow the organisation to live within its means in coming years; extend an olive branch to Foxtel boss Patrick Delany; placate the agitated captains; and make Super Rugby watchable again.

Or ditch it all together. McLennan, who signed off on cricket’s trailblazing Big Bash League as boss of Ten, was eager to confirm that both options would be considered.

‘‘We absolutely have to modify the rules and make it a differentiated product for television,’’ he said. ‘‘I think the broadcasters will possibly re-engage if we do that. The scrums currently take too long and we want more playing time. The thing with the Big Bash was it appealed to a wider audience, including kids and mums and families, and I think that’s important that we find ways to do that with Super Rugby.’’
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wamberal99 wrote:
RandomNavigat0r wrote:Na dont think he is one bit. Its pretty clear who are embarassing themselves in this thread. When are you gonna post more fansite G&GR garbage to back up your assertions :lol:
Face it Grevious has been ragdolling your ass all through this thread, he is coming at it without a state bias, you just come across like some RA shill.

You are a deadset loon. Semi-literate, and with nothing at all that is positive to add to this topic, all you can do is attack people and suck up to Grievous (that is how he spells his name, by the way). Why don't you just fark off back to the cesspool that you have dragged yourself out of.
Oh dear
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UncleFB wrote:
wamberal99 wrote:
RandomNavigat0r wrote:Na dont think he is one bit. Its pretty clear who are embarassing themselves in this thread. When are you gonna post more fansite G&GR garbage to back up your assertions :lol:
Face it Grevious has been ragdolling your ass all through this thread, he is coming at it without a state bias, you just come across like some RA shill.

You are a deadset loon. Semi-literate, and with nothing at all that is positive to add to this topic, all you can do is attack people and suck up to Grievous (that is how he spells his name, by the way). Why don't you just fark off back to the cesspool that you have dragged yourself out of.
I just checked back into this thread and I think you're being a bit hard on RandomNavigator - clearly his three posts in a row diatribe on the previous page is evidence that he's actually having a stroke.
He certainly is. And he needs to stop stroking it before he rubs it red-raw.
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This thread has certainly heated up a bit over the past few days.

I can't really figure what people are arguing about? - aside from bazzamacca who is just trying to start fights with other posters. You are all Australian Rugby fans who are passionate about the game. You all want what's best for the game in this country. You all agree that the game was struggling in Australia pre-COVID and is unfortunately in an even worse place at this moment.You all want a future Super Rugby comp to feature more content for domestic viewers. And you all want the most lucrative broadcast deal possible.

So really, you all want the same things and just have some divergent views in terms of who is responsible for the challenges Rugby faces in Australia, and what is the best course of action to take in the short term. Although I'm sure if RA announced a 6 team domestic SR comp today, featuring the Waratahs, Reds, Brumbies, Rebels, Force and either Fiji or a new team based in Western Sydney which played home games at Bankwest Stadium, you'd all be generally supportive of the concept.

Personally, I think COVID-19 has presented RA with a rare opportunity to recalibrate the game here in Australia. Super Rugby was a dead comp walking, and the pandemic has simply hastened its death. That's a great thing. Crisis creates opportunities and COVID-19 has given RA the chance to start from scratch.

A new domestic comp might start off slowly, but with recognisable teams and the right branding and marketing it's popularity would increase over time. That's compared to the old SR format, which was suffering an irreversible decline in popularity every year. Nothing was going to save the old comp because it's format was fatally flawed. Australians fans won't stay up till 3am to watch sports, and they never warmed to the South African touring teams either.

Personally I think a domestic based SR comp in Australia in 2020 will lead into a combined Trans Tasman comp in 2021. Both NZ and Australia are too small to go it alone, and like the Celtic nations in the North our best option is to be part of a combined 2nd tier comp. A Trans tasman SR competition. The South African franchises can f**k off and play in the disease riddled NH, no-one watched them play anyway and they won't be missed.
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The NZRU will say no to that. End of story.
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CrazyIslander wrote:The NZRU will say no to that. End of story.
How would you know how NZR will act in 2021, after a global flu pandemic has forced Rugby globally to its knees? You're basing your statement on what? How NZR acted after the last global flu pandemic?
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Ali's Choice wrote:This thread has certainly heated up a bit over the past few days.

I can't really figure what people are arguing about? - aside from bazzamacca who is just trying to start fights with other posters. You are all Australian Rugby fans who are passionate about the game. You all want what's best for the game in this country. You all agree that the game was struggling in Australia pre-COVID and is unfortunately in an even worse place at this moment.You all want a future Super Rugby comp to feature more content for domestic viewers. And you all want the most lucrative broadcast deal possible.

So really, you all want the same things and just have some divergent views in terms of who is responsible for the challenges Rugby faces in Australia, and what is the best course of action to take in the short term. Although I'm sure if RA announced a 6 team domestic SR comp today, featuring the Waratahs, Reds, Brumbies, Rebels, Force and either Fiji or a new team based in Western Sydney which played home games at Bankwest Stadium, you'd all be generally supportive of the concept.

Personally, I think COVID-19 has presented RA with a rare opportunity to recalibrate the game here in Australia. Super Rugby was a dead comp walking, and the pandemic has simply hastened its death. That's a great thing. Crisis creates opportunities and COVID-19 has given RA the chance to start from scratch.

A new domestic comp might start off slowly, but with recognisable teams and the right branding and marketing it's popularity would increase over time. That's compared to the old SR format, which was suffering an irreversible decline in popularity every year. Nothing was going to save the old comp because it's format was fatally flawed. Australians fans won't stay up till 3am to watch sports, and they never warmed to the South African touring teams either.

Personally I think a domestic based SR comp in Australia in 2020 will lead into a combined Trans Tasman comp in 2021. Both NZ and Australia are too small to go it alone, and like the Celtic nations in the North our best option is to be part of a combined 2nd tier comp. A Trans tasman SR competition. The South African franchises can f**k off and play in the disease riddled NH, no-one watched them play anyway and they won't be missed.
I'm definitely in favor of a trans tasman comp, would love to see P.I based team in there as well but no idea if it could be done successfully.
Take turns hosting games in each of Fiji, Samoa, Tonga?
Host it in Brisbane, Cairns, Townsville?
Host it in Suva and get each of the other sides to have one home game in Samoa or Tonga?

For the sake of spreading talent to get the best possible product we should also pick eligible ABs from any side in the new comp.

Would we keep The Rugby Championship?
The ABs need to be playing top level rugby every year to stay at or near the top, with the Six Nations being set in stone it kind of doesn't leave a lot of choice.

Shame about the Japanese experiment not working out, but there has to be scope for mutual benefit still.
The Japanese have the potential TV audience and NZ have the team they want to watch.
We ought to be able to come to a permanent revenue sharing arrangement and play them every year once covid is over.
Ditch a game from the northern tour to accommodate it, maybe a second game against the best players from the Japanese league both Japanese and international players, even let them pick a few from the P.I. team.

As you say it IS and opportunity to start from scratch, and it needs to happen.
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Slim 293 wrote:
grievous wrote:
Slim 293 wrote:
grievous wrote:
Slim 293 wrote:Fox Sports requires content to fill multiple channels, and outside of the big 3 sports - Cricket, NRL and AFL, who all have their own dedicated channels, they need live sports to fill that airtime, bring in sponsors and sell subscriptions...

Yes, rugby has been flailing for many years now, but it still brings in more viewers than most of other sports*, and rugby attracts some high end advertising dollars.

The idea that Fox Sports don't need, or want rugby, despite everything they've done over the last few months to suggest otherwise... is just f**king idiotic.

* The A League is doing worse than Super Rugby in terms of viewership - on one weekend the ratings for all 3 A League matches combined were only slightly bigger than the Sunwolves v Rebels game.
What a lot of babble. Not one fact, quote some stats Mr scoup

Oh, OK...
TV ratings Saturday February 1, 2020

Super Rugby on Fox Sports
Crusaders v Waratahs 66,000
Sunwolves v Rebels 39,000

A-League on Fox Sports
Adelaide v Melbourne City 17,000
Newcastle v Western United 15,000
Perth v Melbourne Victory 15,000
https://www.mediaweek.com.au/tv-ratings ... ry-1-2020/


Not one fact... cherry picked...

Double bullseye. :lol:
Against what champ....compare those with AFL and league, even netball, A league :lol: bullseye or browneye?

Maybe, just maybe, trying reading the posts you're responding to... you are embarrassing yourself.
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merlin the happy pig wrote:Would we keep The Rugby Championship?
The ABs need to be playing top level rugby every year to stay at or near the top, with the Six Nations being set in stone it kind of doesn't leave a lot of choice.
I haven't heard anyone talk of dismantling the RC. It's highly profitable, pretty much subsidising every other level of Rugby across all the SANZAAR nations.

The changes clearly need to be at SR level.
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Ali's Choice wrote:
merlin the happy pig wrote:Would we keep The Rugby Championship?
The ABs need to be playing top level rugby every year to stay at or near the top, with the Six Nations being set in stone it kind of doesn't leave a lot of choice.
I haven't heard anyone talk of dismantling the RC. It's highly profitable, pretty much subsidising every other level of Rugby across all the SANZAAR nations.

The changes clearly need to be at SR level.
Yeah it's more of a political consideration.
SANZAAR is an alliance, and ditching Super Rugby weakens that alliance a great deal.
Whether that is actually a bad thing for the four nations individually, probably not, but the administrators do seem to be invested in it.
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grievous wrote:So we have a new CEO, McLennan who will take over in June.
Time enough for some shredding to be done by McLean.

Lets see if he can save the game.
Fortune favours the brave': Hamish McLennan bullish on rugby's future
Georgina Robinson
By Georgina Robinson
May 16, 2020 — 6.00am

Hamish McLennan had been approached for a potential director’s role on the Rugby Australia board weeks before coronavirus brought the world to a standstill and triggered one of the most unedifying power struggles in rugby’s history.

He presented to the current board and Super Rugby chairs just two days after the World Health Organisation gave the virus its official name, COVID-19. By the time his name made it into the public domain, in early March, the enormity of the pandemic was dawning on health and government officials.

But at that time RA’s biggest problem was still that it might have questions to answer on poor representation of women at board level if McLennan and others linked to the role, including Peter Wiggs, Brett Godfrey and a trio of Wallabies, were elected. That changed fast over the next two weeks. By March 15, Super Rugby had ceased and two home Tests against Ireland in July looked shaky.

The uncertainty was enough for the board to delay signing off on the 2019 accounts in line with provisions dictating they state whether they are aware of circumstances that could affect the status of the business as a going concern.

But when then-chief executive Raelene Castle decided to withhold the accounts, unaudited as they were, from member unions, players and the public, at RA’s March 30 annual general meeting, all hell broke loose.


The players union joined forces with a group of former Australian captains to demand change at the top of RA. They began working quietly in the background but just after Castle and new director Wiggs had secured a 60 per cent cut to player salaries until the end of September, they went public with their campaign, publishing a letter in The Australian demanding the current executive ‘‘stand aside’’ for the good of the game.

McLennan meanwhile, already being touted as chairman material to replace Cameron Clyne and his interim replacement Paul McLean, was watching from the sidelines.

‘‘At times I was quite perplexed,’’ McLennan told the Herald. ‘‘Even though a lot of that commentary comes from a place of passion, what it has done is divide the game even further and damage key stakeholders, whether it be sponsors or commercial partners. That’s why it’s important we unify the game and we all get aligned. Provided we can do that then we have a really good shot at making it work.’’

The former Ten boss, right-hand man to Rupert Murdoch and current deputy chair of $100 billion fund manager Magellan, must relish a challenge.
He takes the helm of the sport at a time when it looks like an unbankable prospect. The organisation is broke, the Wallabies are seventh in the world, Super Rugby is a maligned product and bad timing and poor relationship management have left the game with no broadcast partner and no friends in those notoriously macho circles. Oh, and a group of the game’s biggest names are waging open warfare on the organisation.

As Richmond Football Club president Peggy O’Neal observed of the Tigers’ own internecine battles in a recent ABC interview: ‘‘We went from ‘eat ’em alive’ to ‘eat our own’’’.

‘‘It’s a big challenge but a massive opportunity if we get it right,’’ McLennan said. ‘‘It’s a great sport, it’s a global game and for many years I’ve been looking at rugby from the sidelines. When I was asked to interview to join the board I thought ‘I can make a difference’, so why not jump in? Fortune favours the brave, as they say.

‘‘I’ve been in and around sports all of my life from a commercial and media perspective, so I think that ‘brand Wallaby’ is really powerful and I think rugby is a very powerful brand too. I think we can do a better job of how we can promote the game.’’

He does not officially take over from McLean until June 15 but made his priorities clear in his first public comments on Friday. Those priorities are: convince incoming Wallabies coach Dave Rennie that taking the Australia job was not as risky a move as it has looked in recent weeks; cut RA’s cloth to allow the organisation to live within its means in coming years; extend an olive branch to Foxtel boss Patrick Delany; placate the agitated captains; and make Super Rugby watchable again.

Or ditch it all together. McLennan, who signed off on cricket’s trailblazing Big Bash League as boss of Ten, was eager to confirm that both options would be considered.

‘‘We absolutely have to modify the rules and make it a differentiated product for television,’’ he said. ‘‘I think the broadcasters will possibly re-engage if we do that. The scrums currently take too long and we want more playing time. The thing with the Big Bash was it appealed to a wider audience, including kids and mums and families, and I think that’s important that we find ways to do that with Super Rugby.’’
:yawn: Again Australian Rugby want to change the rules. :evil:
They should just watch and play Rugby League.
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Ali's Choice wrote:
merlin the happy pig wrote:Would we keep The Rugby Championship?
The ABs need to be playing top level rugby every year to stay at or near the top, with the Six Nations being set in stone it kind of doesn't leave a lot of choice.
I haven't heard anyone talk of dismantling the RC. It's highly profitable, pretty much subsidising every other level of Rugby across all the SANZAAR nations.

The changes clearly need to be at SR level.
So you want to have your cake and eat it too. :lol:
You can't ditch South Africa, and then take them back when it suits you.
If you let South Africa out of Super Rugby, they will go North totally. RC will be over, and we would have a 7th Nations more rich and powerful than ever. :thumbup: :smug:
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Rather than change the rules, why nit coach the players to play better rugby. NZ is a good example of top class rugby played with skills, speed, aggression and physicality.
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jos wrote:
Ali's Choice wrote:
merlin the happy pig wrote:Would we keep The Rugby Championship?
The ABs need to be playing top level rugby every year to stay at or near the top, with the Six Nations being set in stone it kind of doesn't leave a lot of choice.
I haven't heard anyone talk of dismantling the RC. It's highly profitable, pretty much subsidising every other level of Rugby across all the SANZAAR nations.

The changes clearly need to be at SR level.
So you want to have your cake and eat it too. :lol:
You can't ditch South Africa, and then take them back when it suits you.
If you let South Africa out of Super Rugby, they will go North totally. RC will be over, and we would have a 7th Nations more rich and powerful than ever. :thumbup: :smug:
Sure you can. You can ditch the Super Rugby teams because there's nothing gained by 2am matches between a NZ or Australian against a SA team in some backwards shithole in the Republic. The RC is a genuine competition that brings in dollars.
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jos wrote:
Ali's Choice wrote:
merlin the happy pig wrote:Would we keep The Rugby Championship?
The ABs need to be playing top level rugby every year to stay at or near the top, with the Six Nations being set in stone it kind of doesn't leave a lot of choice.
I haven't heard anyone talk of dismantling the RC. It's highly profitable, pretty much subsidising every other level of Rugby across all the SANZAAR nations.

The changes clearly need to be at SR level.
So you want to have your cake and eat it too. :lol:
You can't ditch South Africa, and then take them back when it suits you.
If you let South Africa out of Super Rugby, they will go North totally. RC will be over, and we would have a 7th Nations more rich and powerful than ever. :thumbup: :smug:
That might happen one day, but I can't see the 6N admitting SA anytime soon. There have been many discussions and threads about this in the past and it almost always ends with Welsh, Irish and Scottish posters telling South African posters to f**k off and find their own revenue streams.
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Thomas wrote:
jos wrote:
Ali's Choice wrote:
merlin the happy pig wrote:Would we keep The Rugby Championship?
The ABs need to be playing top level rugby every year to stay at or near the top, with the Six Nations being set in stone it kind of doesn't leave a lot of choice.
I haven't heard anyone talk of dismantling the RC. It's highly profitable, pretty much subsidising every other level of Rugby across all the SANZAAR nations.

The changes clearly need to be at SR level.
So you want to have your cake and eat it too. :lol:
You can't ditch South Africa, and then take them back when it suits you.
If you let South Africa out of Super Rugby, they will go North totally. RC will be over, and we would have a 7th Nations more rich and powerful than ever. :thumbup: :smug:
Sure you can. You can ditch the Super Rugby teams because there's nothing gained by 2am matches between a NZ or Australian against a SA team in some backwards shithole in the Republic. The RC is a genuine competition that brings in dollars.
Do you really believe that if you ditch South Africa from Super Rugby, they would gladly play alone most of the year until the RC where they would then help you finance your rugby? :lol: Nope they would tell you to f.ck off, and would go playing with the NH nations earning more money.
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Ali's Choice wrote:
jos wrote:
Ali's Choice wrote:
merlin the happy pig wrote:Would we keep The Rugby Championship?
The ABs need to be playing top level rugby every year to stay at or near the top, with the Six Nations being set in stone it kind of doesn't leave a lot of choice.
I haven't heard anyone talk of dismantling the RC. It's highly profitable, pretty much subsidising every other level of Rugby across all the SANZAAR nations.

The changes clearly need to be at SR level.
So you want to have your cake and eat it too. :lol:
You can't ditch South Africa, and then take them back when it suits you.
If you let South Africa out of Super Rugby, they will go North totally. RC will be over, and we would have a 7th Nations more rich and powerful than ever. :thumbup: :smug:
That might happen one day, but I can't see the 6N admitting SA anytime soon. There have been many discussions and threads about this in the past and it almost always ends with Welsh, Irish and Scottish posters telling South African posters to f**k off and find their own revenue streams.
They would be accepted nearly as soon as you would ditch them. Irish, Welsh and Scottish fans can say what they want, no one will ask them their advice. The 2 big markets are England and France. The RFU has always try to bring the SARU. And now FFR's president is Laporte. This guy only think about money, so will not stop a change like that, au contraire. We would have the 3 biggest rugby market together, so no NH union would oppose earning more money. :D
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jos wrote:
Ali's Choice wrote:
jos wrote:
Ali's Choice wrote:
merlin the happy pig wrote:Would we keep The Rugby Championship?
The ABs need to be playing top level rugby every year to stay at or near the top, with the Six Nations being set in stone it kind of doesn't leave a lot of choice.
I haven't heard anyone talk of dismantling the RC. It's highly profitable, pretty much subsidising every other level of Rugby across all the SANZAAR nations.

The changes clearly need to be at SR level.
So you want to have your cake and eat it too. :lol:
You can't ditch South Africa, and then take them back when it suits you.
If you let South Africa out of Super Rugby, they will go North totally. RC will be over, and we would have a 7th Nations more rich and powerful than ever. :thumbup: :smug:
That might happen one day, but I can't see the 6N admitting SA anytime soon. There have been many discussions and threads about this in the past and it almost always ends with Welsh, Irish and Scottish posters telling South African posters to f**k off and find their own revenue streams.
They would be accepted nearly as soon as you would ditch them. Irish, Welsh and Scottish fans can say what they want, no one will ask them their advice. The 2 big markets are England and France. The RFU has always try to bring the SARU. And now FFR's president is Laporte. This guy only think about money, so will not stop a change like that, au contraire. We would have the 3 biggest rugby market together, so no NH union would oppose earning more money. :D
They have equal votes with England and France.

How haa the Cheetahs/Kings experiment going? That would give an idea how it would go.
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CrazyIslander wrote: They have equal votes with England and France.

How haa the Cheetahs/Kings experiment going? That would give an idea how it would go.
So fans have a vote now? :lol: Only Unions have, and they want more money especially now. By the way without England and France, the 6th nations would be nothing financially. For the Cheetahs/Kings experiment of course it's not a success. First it's the 2 worse South African teams, then they play in a league with the less money in NH, and finally this league isn't even taken seriously by the celtic Unions. And I don't even talk about the fact these 2 teams can't qualify to the European Champions Cup. Now in my opinion the South African should follow the English and French model: its own proper league, then their best teams playing the Champions Cup and finally a 7th nations. Like that they would earn more money. More than now and of course more than with the new idea from Australian and Kiwi fans.
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jos wrote:
CrazyIslander wrote: They have equal votes with England and France.

How haa the Cheetahs/Kings experiment going? That would give an idea how it would go.
So fans have a vote now? :lol: Only Unions have, and they want more money especially now. By the way without England and France, the 6th nations would be nothing financially. For the Cheetahs/Kings experiment of course it's not a success. First it's the 2 worse South African teams, then they play in a league with the less money in NH, and finally this league isn't even taken seriously by the celtic Unions. And I don't even talk about the fact these 2 teams can't qualify to the European Champions Cup. Now in my opinion the South African should follow the English and French model: its own proper league, then their best teams playing the Champions Cup and finally a 7th nations. Like that they would earn more money. More than now and of course more than with the new idea from Australian and Kiwi fans.
Good luck getting the 6Ns to agree to including the Boks.

As for Saffas in the Champions Cup it won't happen. Those countries are already squabbling over money I doubt they want another mouth to feed.
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CrazyIslander wrote:
jos wrote:
CrazyIslander wrote: They have equal votes with England and France.

How haa the Cheetahs/Kings experiment going? That would give an idea how it would go.
So fans have a vote now? :lol: Only Unions have, and they want more money especially now. By the way without England and France, the 6th nations would be nothing financially. For the Cheetahs/Kings experiment of course it's not a success. First it's the 2 worse South African teams, then they play in a league with the less money in NH, and finally this league isn't even taken seriously by the celtic Unions. And I don't even talk about the fact these 2 teams can't qualify to the European Champions Cup. Now in my opinion the South African should follow the English and French model: its own proper league, then their best teams playing the Champions Cup and finally a 7th nations. Like that they would earn more money. More than now and of course more than with the new idea from Australian and Kiwi fans.
Good luck getting the 6Ns to agree to including the Boks.

As for Saffas in the Champions Cup it won't happen. Those countries are already squabbling over money I doubt they want another mouth to feed.
Why would we refuse a country which won 3 World Cup, and a country which has enough money to finance a big bart of SH rugby? Do you think the 340 millions euros will give us to take 14% of the 6 nations' share will be without consequences?
Ultimately they will be accepted if everyone earn more money with this move.
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That is nothing.

NZ and Australia could join the NFL. They will give an equal share of the money pool they have worked to build up and change the rules to better suit our style of play. Why not we are combined 5 times RWC winners, and once they smell our fantasy money they will welcome us with open arms. Sounds like the future is lekker for you and us boet.
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Dude in all seriousness if Super rugby's troubles have taught anything over the last 10 years is that for a successful competition to continue to prosper and be relevant it must maintain its integrity. The amount of short term financial gain of including SA would not offset the risk of long term stagnation or worse, financial loss for the Six nations. Look no further than the re-election of Beaumont over Pichot for confirmation of this.
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Thomas wrote:
jos wrote:
Ali's Choice wrote:
merlin the happy pig wrote:Would we keep The Rugby Championship?
The ABs need to be playing top level rugby every year to stay at or near the top, with the Six Nations being set in stone it kind of doesn't leave a lot of choice.
I haven't heard anyone talk of dismantling the RC. It's highly profitable, pretty much subsidising every other level of Rugby across all the SANZAAR nations.

The changes clearly need to be at SR level.
So you want to have your cake and eat it too. :lol:
You can't ditch South Africa, and then take them back when it suits you.
If you let South Africa out of Super Rugby, they will go North totally. RC will be over, and we would have a 7th Nations more rich and powerful than ever. :thumbup: :smug:
Sure you can. You can ditch the Super Rugby teams because there's nothing gained by 2am matches between a NZ or Australian against a SA team in some backwards shithole in the Republic. The RC is a genuine competition that brings in dollars.
Yep. SR was a way of dealing with the introduction of professionalism. And it worked well in the early days. But it hasn't evolved to suit the landscape. SANZAAR isn't just SR and doesn't need to rely on it. And it's never been the true value behind the alliance. That's been the Tri-Nations/RC.

If SA is better suited to moving to the Pro 14 then they should. That doesn't mean that should end the alliance.
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It seems pretty simple - let the SA SR sides play in Euro championships, NZ and Aus have a 10 team home and away round robin comp, top 4 finals series.

Straight into June NH tour, then RC from July onward .

Japan and the PI's are in the right timezone to add to that trans tasman comp, so it could be expanded out to 12 teams in the near future.

Everyone loved Super 12 and 14, it just went to shit when the conference system was started.
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