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Jessica Halloran has had one job since taking on the rugby portfolio in March...
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RA rotting financially and needs to come clean


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Olympic chief aborts his tilt at RA’s top job


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Japan hoovering up more players.


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Rodda's beef is actually with Thorn, and is apparently not happy at being overlooked for the captaincy...

It would seem Thorn made the right choice.

Apparently Rodda wants to stay in Australia, and the Brumbies are the favourites to pick him up... not sure how I feel about that.

The other two players are f**ked...


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Rodda's beef is actually with Thorn, and is apparently not happy at being overlooked for the captaincy...

It would seem Thorn made the right choice.

Apparently Rodda wants to stay in Australia, and the Brumbies are the favourites to pick him up... not sure how I feel about that.

The other two players are f**ked...


Exactly my thinking. No one is ever going to offer him the job now given he's walked out on his team over it, and used the pandemic as an excuse.

Hockings could be a good pick up if he fulfils his potential, but he's been shit this year.

Lucas is too small - decent bench player, but not a huge loss.


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Is anyone here worried about the RA financial records considering an auditer wouldnt even sign off on them. Where is this at?


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Is anyone here worried about the RA financial records considering an auditer wouldnt even sign off on them. Where is this at?


Yes/no.

Maybe the end result of this is we get back to basics, meaning we get back to the sustainable provincial teams in heartland areas, and get rid of fabricated teams that diluted the player pool.


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By the way,l 2019 was actually a reasonable year, despite paying Folau a couple of million.

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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2020 1:45 am 
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Is anyone here worried about the RA financial records considering an auditer wouldnt even sign off on them. Where is this at?

When was this? It's not the end of the financial year yet.


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Is anyone here worried about the RA financial records considering an auditer wouldnt even sign off on them. Where is this at?


Yes/no.

Maybe the end result of this is we get back to basics, meaning we get back to the sustainable provincial teams in heartland areas, and get rid of fabricated teams that diluted the player pool.



I'm not sure who these fabricated teams are that you speak of?

The NRC is definitely a goner, but the only way forward is to build on the existing professional franchises - Brumbies, Waratahs, Reds, Rebels and Force... and expanding from there when possible.

Club rugby can only remain at its current level.


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I agree, SR teams are the only to go for a national comp.


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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2020 2:23 am 
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Ellafan wrote:
RandomNavigat0r wrote:
Is anyone here worried about the RA financial records considering an auditer wouldnt even sign off on them. Where is this at?


Yes/no.

Maybe the end result of this is we get back to basics, meaning we get back to the sustainable provincial teams in heartland areas, and get rid of fabricated teams that diluted the player pool.



I'm not sure who these fabricated teams are that you speak of?

The NRC is definitely a goner, but the only way forward is to build on the existing professional franchises - Brumbies, Waratahs, Reds, Rebels and Force... and expanding from there when possible.

Club rugby can only remain at its current level.


100%. The franchises may not have the tradition of Randwick, Eastwood, Sydney Uni etc but they have far more brand recognition and widespread appeal and they are definitely not "fabricated". I assume that sluggy was talking about the NRC teams when he used that term.


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Ali's Choice wrote:
Slim 293 wrote:
Ellafan wrote:
RandomNavigat0r wrote:
Is anyone here worried about the RA financial records considering an auditer wouldnt even sign off on them. Where is this at?


Yes/no.

Maybe the end result of this is we get back to basics, meaning we get back to the sustainable provincial teams in heartland areas, and get rid of fabricated teams that diluted the player pool.



I'm not sure who these fabricated teams are that you speak of?

The NRC is definitely a goner, but the only way forward is to build on the existing professional franchises - Brumbies, Waratahs, Reds, Rebels and Force... and expanding from there when possible.

Club rugby can only remain at its current level.


100%. The franchises may not have the tradition of Randwick, Eastwood, Sydney Uni etc but they have far more brand recognition and widespread appeal and they are definitely not "fabricated". I assume that sluggy was talking about the NRC teams when he used that term.

The Rebels are clearly fabricated. They are even propped up by Force players. Their crowds are shit, and they receive double the funding of any super rugby franchise. All this despite never making the finals. The very definition of a fabricated team.


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The Rebels are clearly fabricated. They are even propped up by Force players. Their crowds are shit, and they receive double the funding of any super rugby franchise. All this despite never making the finals. The very definition of a fabricated team.


Do you argue with your own shadow?


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By the way,l 2019 was actually a reasonable year, despite paying Folau a couple of million.

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RA announced a $9.4 million loss after the AGM in late March, which is comparable to that in other World Cup years such as 2015 ($9.8 million loss) and 2011 ($10.6 million deficit).

That is clearly a lie, hence why they hid the books from RUPA and their auditor wouldnt sign off the books.


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RandomNavigat0r wrote:
The Rebels are clearly fabricated. They are even propped up by Force players. Their crowds are shit, and they receive double the funding of any super rugby franchise. All this despite never making the finals. The very definition of a fabricated team.


Do you argue with your own shadow?

I definitely refute meaningless dribble posted by you!


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Ellafan wrote:
RandomNavigat0r wrote:
Is anyone here worried about the RA financial records considering an auditer wouldnt even sign off on them. Where is this at?


Yes/no.

Maybe the end result of this is we get back to basics, meaning we get back to the sustainable provincial teams in heartland areas, and get rid of fabricated teams that diluted the player pool.



I'm not sure who these fabricated teams are that you speak of?

The NRC is definitely a goner, but the only way forward is to build on the existing professional franchises - Brumbies, Waratahs, Reds, Rebels and Force... and expanding from there when possible.

Club rugby can only remain at its current level.


100%. The franchises may not have the tradition of Randwick, Eastwood, Sydney Uni etc but they have far more brand recognition and widespread appeal and they are definitely not "fabricated". I assume that sluggy was talking about the NRC teams when he used that term.


Every single team in sport is fabricated.


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RandomNavigat0r wrote:
Ali's Choice wrote:
RandomNavigat0r wrote:
The Rebels are clearly fabricated. They are even propped up by Force players. Their crowds are shit, and they receive double the funding of any super rugby franchise. All this despite never making the finals. The very definition of a fabricated team.


Do you argue with your own shadow?

I definitely refute meaningless dribble posted by you!


So what's your point? I'm arguing that the SR franchises should be persisted with going forward, and you seem to be obsessing about the definition of the word "fabricated". Using your definition the Force, Rebels and the Brumbies are all "fabricated" teams. Are you suggesting that they be scrapped for other entities? Or course you aren't - you're just looking to start fights on an internet chat site. How clever.


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By the way,l 2019 was actually a reasonable year, despite paying Folau a couple of million.

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RA announced a $9.4 million loss after the AGM in late March, which is comparable to that in other World Cup years such as 2015 ($9.8 million loss) and 2011 ($10.6 million deficit).

That is clearly a lie, hence why they hid the books from RUPA and their auditor wouldnt sign off the books.



RA have until the end of this month to have their books audited, signed off and submitted to ASIC...


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Rebels have good local support. And it'll take time and needs patience. Apparently the Sydney Swans and Brisbane Lions took a longtime to establish themselves.

My theory is, some Shute Shield ex players and supporters want to make their comp the premier comp or their clubs involved in the national comp out of their own vanity. Because SR has pretty much reduced their comp and records to second tier and irrelevance.


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Reds trio gooooooooooooooooone...

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Rugby Australia and the Queensland Rugby Union have agreed to terminate the contracts of Wallaby Izack Rodda as well as prodigious Reds youngsters Isaac Lucas and Harry Hockings, effective immediately.

The trio had been seeking to get out of their deals with the Reds, but it was unclear on Friday whether RA and the QRU would allow that to happening following the news on Monday they had been stood down after refusing to accept a 60 per cent short-term pay cut or sign up for the government's JobKeeper payment.

Rodda signed a four-year deal in November with the Reds and RA until the end of 2023. Lucas had committed to the Reds until the end 2023, while Hockings was off contract at the end of the season.

“Rugby Australia and the Queensland Rugby Union (QRU) have today released Queensland Reds players Izack Rodda, Harry Hockings, and Isaac Lucas," a statement from RA said.

“The decision comes after the three players elected to pursue termination of their contracts after being stood down by the QRU on Monday.

“Rodda, Hockings and Lucas were stood down after they declined to accept a reduction in pay and to nominate for the Australian government’s JobKeeper subsidy, notwithstanding the interim pay agreement between Rugby Australia and RUPA.

“The decision comes after the three players elected to pursue termination of their contracts after being stood down by the QRU on Monday.”

The three players, who are all managed by Anthony Picone – the agent who worked on deals for Will Genia, Liam Gill, Campbell Magnay and Samu Kerevi to leave the Reds and head overseas at the prime of their careers – are now free to take their talents elsewhere.

However, their ugly exit from Australian rugby has not been viewed favourably by administrators and a return in the future may not be a given.

RA interim chief executive Rob Clarke said: “As everyone is aware, the impacts of COVID-19 have been felt in every country, across every industry and rugby is no exception.

“As a result, the game collectively took the difficult but necessary action to stand down over 70 per cent of the entire rugby workforce, which equates to over 150 workers that are now receiving the JobKeeper subsidy.

“At the same time, 189 professional rugby players in Australia accepted reduced pay for an interim period to enable the game to navigate this unprecedented situation. The three Queensland players elected not to accept these terms."

QRU chief executive David Hanham added: “A decision has been made today. Our focus and attention is on the players, staff and rugby community who have committed to our program and our team.”

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I've seen references to RA's new pro comp starting in July, but can someone please point me in the right direction to access the draw if it's been released?


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I've seen references to RA's new pro comp starting in July, but can someone please point me in the right direction to access the draw if it's been released?



It hasn't... competition hasn't been formally announced yet.

July 4 is the proposed start date.


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I've seen references to RA's new pro comp starting in July, but can someone please point me in the right direction to access the draw if it's been released?



It hasn't... competition hasn't been formally announced yet.

July 4 is the proposed start date.


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Ali's Choice wrote:
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I've seen references to RA's new pro comp starting in July, but can someone please point me in the right direction to access the draw if it's been released?



It hasn't... competition hasn't been formally announced yet.

July 4 is the proposed start date.


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Nice Rugby story on Nine's 6pm news tonight. Details are still scarce but it was mentioned that a comp featuring the 4 current SR franchises plus the Force will start in July. It also mentioned that a group of senior Wallaby and All Black players were meeting online over the weekend to discuss plans for a Trans Tasman Super Rugby comp in 2021 that could feature a PI team as well. Great to see a positive Rugby story in the news :thumbup:


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Nice Rugby story on Nine's 6pm news tonight. Details are still scarce but it was mentioned that a comp featuring the 4 current SR franchises plus the Force will start in July. It also mentioned that a group of senior Wallaby and All Black players were meeting online over the weekend to discuss plans for a Trans Tasman Super Rugby comp in 2021 that could feature a PI team as well. Great to see a positive Rugby story in the news :thumbup:

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Another Australian press pipe dream


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which means?


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Super rugby may be looking vastly different. I wonder what will happen to Global Rapid Rugby..

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EXCLUSIVE: Wallabies, All Blacks stars want South Africa out

By Michael Atkinson - 23 hours ago


Wallabies and All Blacks players hold Super Rugby crisis talks.
The Wallabies and All Blacks are mortal enemies on the rugby field but with the game's future in doubt players from the rival nations have held talks to discuss their desired competition for the future.

Nine News can exclusively reveal a contingent of Aussie players, led by Wallabies captain Michael Hooper was involved in a phone hook up with their Kiwi counterparts including newly appointed All Blacks captain Sam Cane.

The player representatives floated ideas for what Super Rugby may look like moving forward, with the current format under severe pressure to remain relevant, particularly in Australia.

The group unanimously agreed that the competition as it stands – including Australian, New Zealand, South African, Japanese and Argentinian franchises – is no longer viable.

It's a belief widely agreed upon by rugby fans in Australia, and they can take satisfaction from the knowledge the stars of the game are with them on that point.

A Trans-Tasman competition, involving the existing nine franchises from each country along with the re-introduction of the Western Force, is the format the players want to see.

They'd be willing to welcome a Pacific Island team to the fold in a move that would likely delight World Rugby.

One thing standing in the way of that idea becoming a reality is the fact South Africa and New Zealand are believed to have already signed broadcast deals beyond 2020 under the current Super Rugby format.

Rugby Australia Interim CEO Rob Clarke said today talks for a broadcast deal to get rugby back up and running this year is moving along promisingly.

"We had very fruitful discussions with our current broadcast partners, Fox Sports, this week about how the balance of this year looks" Clarke revealed.

"I'm confident we will get some clarity within a week or two, given that we're trying to kick off a Super Rugby season domestically on the 3rd and 4th of July."

That competition is likely to involve the four current Australian Super Rugby franchises and re-introducing the dumped Western Force.


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Is anyone here worried about the RA financial records considering an auditer wouldnt even sign off on them. Where is this at?


Yes/no.

Maybe the end result of this is we get back to basics, meaning we get back to the sustainable provincial teams in heartland areas, and get rid of fabricated teams that diluted the player pool.



Which fabricated teams would these be? The ACT Brumbies, NSW Waratahs or QLD Reds? I mean, in terms of rugby heartland areas, they don't get stronger than that in Australia. Rebels, sure. Force....not anymore, rugby is big there and they have a lot of support.

Is club rugby fabricated? These clubs are 100 years old in some cases :lol:

Yeah the NRC is created, but it's no different to the ITM Cup or Currie Cup - both of which are fantastic competitions that provde SA and NZ with a stepping stone between club and fully professional rugby. They don't interfere with each other at all as the NRC starts after club finishes, and it provides an opportunity for the best club players to try and step up, and the pro players who didn't make the test team get to keep playing rugby and practice the skills that weren't good enough to make the test team.

Everyone benefits, there's rugby on every weekend late into the year of a pretty decent quality with lots of tries and exciting running rugby.

I really don't get the hostility from Sydney club rugby to the NRC. What's the beef? Is the argument that the money should just be given to the clubs instead and build club rugby into an NRC level?


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Sluggy is going to choke on his late night bottle of cab sav with the news Shute Shield is starting in July and joining the comp is Penrith, welcome back fellas, coached by Muggleton and Palu.
Furthermore, they were in competition with Newcastle to take the 12th spot, well they have both been added, also welcome back Newcastle, they were in the comp some years back.
Both clubs must field a seconds and 1sts Colts.
Looks like the Uni boys will need to get their google maps back out leaving the carpark in Camperdown.


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Is anyone here worried about the RA financial records considering an auditer wouldnt even sign off on them. Where is this at?


Yes/no.

Maybe the end result of this is we get back to basics, meaning we get back to the sustainable provincial teams in heartland areas, and get rid of fabricated teams that diluted the player pool.



Which fabricated teams would these be? The ACT Brumbies, NSW Waratahs or QLD Reds? I mean, in terms of rugby heartland areas, they don't get stronger than that in Australia. Rebels, sure. Force....not anymore, rugby is big there and they have a lot of support.

Is club rugby fabricated? These clubs are 100 years old in some cases :lol:

Yeah the NRC is created, but it's no different to the ITM Cup or Currie Cup - both of which are fantastic competitions that provde SA and NZ with a stepping stone between club and fully professional rugby. They don't interfere with each other at all as the NRC starts after club finishes, and it provides an opportunity for the best club players to try and step up, and the pro players who didn't make the test team get to keep playing rugby and practice the skills that weren't good enough to make the test team.

Everyone benefits, there's rugby on every weekend late into the year of a pretty decent quality with lots of tries and exciting running rugby.

I really don't get the hostility from Sydney club rugby to the NRC. What's the beef? Is the argument that the money should just be given to the clubs instead and build club rugby into an NRC level?

It looks a bit that way.

One take is that a better-funded Sydney club comp would, allowing for eventual expansions, form the basis for a national comp.

Another take is that Siddenycentric spivs are simply after whatever national funding they can get to bolt in place the NSW capital as the only site of a truly pro rugby comp in Straya. And far kew to the other states / territories.

Neither appeal to me at all.


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Ellafan wrote:
RandomNavigat0r wrote:
Is anyone here worried about the RA financial records considering an auditer wouldnt even sign off on them. Where is this at?


Yes/no.

Maybe the end result of this is we get back to basics, meaning we get back to the sustainable provincial teams in heartland areas, and get rid of fabricated teams that diluted the player pool.



Which fabricated teams would these be? The ACT Brumbies, NSW Waratahs or QLD Reds? I mean, in terms of rugby heartland areas, they don't get stronger than that in Australia. Rebels, sure. Force....not anymore, rugby is big there and they have a lot of support.

Is club rugby fabricated? These clubs are 100 years old in some cases :lol:

Yeah the NRC is created, but it's no different to the ITM Cup or Currie Cup - both of which are fantastic competitions that provde SA and NZ with a stepping stone between club and fully professional rugby. They don't interfere with each other at all as the NRC starts after club finishes, and it provides an opportunity for the best club players to try and step up, and the pro players who didn't make the test team get to keep playing rugby and practice the skills that weren't good enough to make the test team.

Everyone benefits, there's rugby on every weekend late into the year of a pretty decent quality with lots of tries and exciting running rugby.

I really don't get the hostility from Sydney club rugby to the NRC. What's the beef? Is the argument that the money should just be given to the clubs instead and build club rugby into an NRC level?

It looks a bit that way.

One take is that a better-funded Sydney club comp would, allowing for eventual expansions, form the basis for a national comp.

Another take is that Siddenycentric spivs are simply after whatever national funding they can get to bolt in place the NSW capital as the only site of a truly pro rugby comp in Straya. And far kew to the other states / territories.

Neither appeal to me at all.



I get the club argument, NRL is hugely successful with essentially a club model, but it's a bit of a lie. Each of these 'clubs' has the budget of most SR teams. Randwick or Manly haven't got 1/50th of it. Players at SR level need to earn the appropriate $$ to stick around, and that comes from TV rights and advertising rights etc. Spreading the cash the Tahs or Reds get across the various clubs would end up with us losing everyone decent to Europe, and unless we pick from overseas clubs then the Wallabies are dead as an international team.

Rugby just isn't popular enough in Australia to go to a pro-club system with the existing clubs, so you'd have to consolidate anyway. The only way that would ever be possible is the day when rugby overtakes league in the popularity stakes, and the only way that will ever happen is if we become number one in the world again, AND some decent marketing budget is allocated.

I have mates who went to Joey's and Newington, played 1st XV and know several veteran Wallabies closely, who didn't even know SR had started this year. The first game came on at the pub and they asked if it was live!

What the fudge kind of sporting organisation, or any at all, can exist if people don't even know it's going on unless you're a diehard fan?


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RA atm I think have 80% of the right stuff in place. The top level management is still a civil war, but some decent stuff has been put in place recently. The U20 and Schoolboy success is a good indicator of the quality systems put in place in recent years. 3/4 SR teams were doing well and being more than competitive against the kiwis.

Club rugby is on the rise again, the NRC is going well in quality/purpose, even though it lacks support. The concept is great, but the catchment areas could be realigned much more effectively to try and capture some of the club level history/tribalism. Randwick, Sydney Uni, Warringah, Manly, Norths and Easts all hate each other, but that's a pretty decent North V South match up there. Why not give them each a 1/3rd split of any cash the NRC brings in, if they just stop being f**king children and think of the greater game and the purpose of it.

It's played after club rugby anyway, so they can all do their own thing during Shute Shield (and if rugby is more popular again they'd have more budget to work with anyway) and when that finishes, the NRC becomes a rep competition where the best of south v north of the harbour battle it out against similar regions in QLD/ACT/Victoria/Perth. How fucken hard could that be to get a rivalry/tribalism going with? All it takes is for each person to go - "yeah fudge it, this is good rugby and this is the rep team my club feeds to so I cheer for them" and then you're sorted. As long as people fight against it and refuse to buy in though, it won't get that tribal support people want, so it ultimately comes down to just choosing to get behind the new comp. Tweak it, sure, but just don't kill it off.

These games get to be the afternoon curtain raisers to enjoy in the pub before the main course of test rugby, where you then get to see the blokes you think are killing it in club rugby, go up against the SR players who didn't make the test side. I'd even go so far as to get the Kiwi ITM winner to play the NRC winner as a curtain raiser before the last test/Bledisloe of the RC. Hell, we could even get the Shute Shield/Brisbane comps to have a club finals, and the winner of that to play the kiwi club grand final champion.

As far as I can see it, if the comps were aligned correctly, this gives us rugby feasibly every weekend from February through to whenever the fudge the NRC/RC ends in probably September. With only NZ and Aus teams involved - we have 2 games of quality televised rugby every Friday/Saturday night during Super Rugby, and a Sunday afternoon game. All prime time slots. Club rugby also televised - ideally two biggest games on FTA @ 1:30 and 3:30pm, so they tie in with SR @ 5:30pm, with the others games on delay - if Optus/Kayo is the broadcaster this is fine as you can watch the game on delay, and all should be available.

If club rugby is televised, gets a cut of the broadcasting deal to spread around for new equipment/support staff etc and gets people to turn up or pay for Kayo, then they will continue to grow as well.

Sell that as one complete package - 1st XV club rugby + national club champions final series + TT final, NRC + TT final and SR + TT finals series. That can be our own union with NZ - add Islander + Japanese teams when money/quality is available.

Test rugby to be negotiated separately - RC is 4 teams, split that revenue deal x 4 equally. Home and away comp, each country keeps the gate takings. Nz and Aus play a decider for the Bledisloe after the RC final weekend - perfect for the NRC/ITM TT final curtain raiser.

Have a month off, everyone except the test team gets a break. NH tour goes ahead like normal, but i'd love to see a midweek game with the rookies/bench players given starts and top stars rested - great way to blood young PONI and extra rugby to watch - i'd love to get home on a Thursday arvo and watch the previous nights game on demand on Kayo/Optus.


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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2020 11:43 am 
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Brumbieman wrote:
MungoMan wrote:
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RandomNavigat0r wrote:
Is anyone here worried about the RA financial records considering an auditer wouldnt even sign off on them. Where is this at?


Yes/no.

Maybe the end result of this is we get back to basics, meaning we get back to the sustainable provincial teams in heartland areas, and get rid of fabricated teams that diluted the player pool.



Which fabricated teams would these be? The ACT Brumbies, NSW Waratahs or QLD Reds? I mean, in terms of rugby heartland areas, they don't get stronger than that in Australia. Rebels, sure. Force....not anymore, rugby is big there and they have a lot of support.

Is club rugby fabricated? These clubs are 100 years old in some cases :lol:

Yeah the NRC is created, but it's no different to the ITM Cup or Currie Cup - both of which are fantastic competitions that provde SA and NZ with a stepping stone between club and fully professional rugby. They don't interfere with each other at all as the NRC starts after club finishes, and it provides an opportunity for the best club players to try and step up, and the pro players who didn't make the test team get to keep playing rugby and practice the skills that weren't good enough to make the test team.

Everyone benefits, there's rugby on every weekend late into the year of a pretty decent quality with lots of tries and exciting running rugby.

I really don't get the hostility from Sydney club rugby to the NRC. What's the beef? Is the argument that the money should just be given to the clubs instead and build club rugby into an NRC level?

It looks a bit that way.

One take is that a better-funded Sydney club comp would, allowing for eventual expansions, form the basis for a national comp.

Another take is that Siddenycentric spivs are simply after whatever national funding they can get to bolt in place the NSW capital as the only site of a truly pro rugby comp in Straya. And far kew to the other states / territories.

Neither appeal to me at all.



I get the club argument, NRL is hugely successful with essentially a club model, but it's a bit of a lie. Each of these 'clubs' has the budget of most SR teams. Randwick or Manly haven't got 1/50th of it. Players at SR level need to earn the appropriate $$ to stick around, and that comes from TV rights and advertising rights etc. Spreading the cash the Tahs or Reds get across the various clubs would end up with us losing everyone decent to Europe, and unless we pick from overseas clubs then the Wallabies are dead as an international team.

Rugby just isn't popular enough in Australia to go to a pro-club system with the existing clubs, so you'd have to consolidate anyway. The only way that would ever be possible is the day when rugby overtakes league in the popularity stakes, and the only way that will ever happen is if we become number one in the world again, AND some decent marketing budget is allocated.

I have mates who went to Joey's and Newington, played 1st XV and know several veteran Wallabies closely, who didn't even know SR had started this year. The first game came on at the pub and they asked if it was live!

What the fudge kind of sporting organisation, or any at all, can exist if people don't even know it's going on unless you're a diehard fan?

But RA have got it 80% right? :lol:


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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2020 11:47 am 
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Well, obviously, hiring a second marketing pigeon would be a big chunk of the remaining 20% you daft miserable plum.


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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2020 12:37 pm 
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Well, obviously, hiring a second marketing pigeon would be a big chunk of the remaining 20% you daft miserable plum.

You stupid twat, you've got no idea how you're governing body has screwed up the game.
Yeah lets hire some dudes.
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Quote:

Rugby Australia has let go two of the broadcast consultants working on a new television rights deal despite no agreement having been secured.

The Herald can reveal Shane Mattiske and Michael Tange have been told by RA their services are no longer required.

An RA spokesperson confirmed Tange finished up last Friday, while Mattiske's last day at the organisation was on Thursday.

New RA chief executive Rob Clarke and incoming chairman Hamish McLennan will take charge of broadcast negotiations to secure a deal for this year and the next five-year block as a matter of urgency.
Then-Rugby Australia chief executive Raelene Castle along with the board kept a lid on the organisation's 2019 results.

Mattiske and Tange had been working with the organisation for close to two years. A report in The Australian earlier this month suggested the pair had been paid more than $1 million during this period.

Along with former chief executive Raelene Castle, who hired the pair, their role was to ensure RA could lock in a new broadcast deal from 2021 to 2025.


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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2020 1:18 pm 
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That’s common industry practice...

Halloran gets some more nibbles.


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Don't know how read that tbh. A broadcast consultant's job is to get the best deal, could it they were looking for an alternative to Foxtel? Perhaps a combo of Optus and someone else? Foxtel were already lowballing RA. Hope these new guys get a good deal.


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