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YOYO wrote:
Mick Mannock wrote:Jeremy Guscott
Jonathon Joseph
Ellis Genge
I need you guys to do the research. What countries are their parents from, or where is their race from?
Cannot be bothered with the research ATM

Jason Robinson
Anthony Watson
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YOYO wrote:
LandOTurk wrote:
LandOTurk wrote:Navidi - Iranian (wrestler) father, Welsh mam
Leon Brown - not sure of his parents' background
Definitely. Where should I put him. I have a backrow already. I’ll have to move your hero Charvis to the bench.
:shock:
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YOYO wrote:
Mick Mannock wrote:Jeremy Guscott
Jonathon Joseph
Ellis Genge
I need you guys to do the research. What countries are their parents from, or where is their race from?
Guscott and Joseph are Genges parents.
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Specifying countries as a designation of “race” is strange.

A ‘mixed-nation’ XV would be easier and more appropriate, where a player was born to two people of differing nationalities. For example, McCaw (f - New Zealand, m - Heaven)
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happyhooker wrote:How mixed is acceptable. Italian/American father, English mother gives you corbisero at 1
Oi
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happyhooker wrote:
happyhooker wrote:How mixed is acceptable. Italian/American father, English mother gives you corbisero at 1
Oi
I’m afraid the race thing goes against him. He still a western whitey of different ethnicities. Interesting mix none the less.
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eldanielfire wrote:I’ll update the 15 (or 23 if we get too many decent options)

1.
2.
3.
4. Courtney Lawes (Black/white)
5.
6. Lewis Ludlam (black/white)
7. Stefan Armitage (black/white)
8.
9.
10. Danny Cipriani (White and black)
11. Delon Armitage
12. Jeremy Guscott (Did he play 12 ever?) (white/black)
13. Jonathan Joseph (black/white)
14. Jason Robinson or Anthony Watson (black/white)
15. Zebo (m-Irish and f-French island of Martinique)

COACH: Eddie Jones (white/chinese)
Eddie Jones was born in Tasmania to a Japanese American mother and an Australian father.
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Wallah wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:I’ll update the 15 (or 23 if we get too many decent options)

1.
2.
3.
4. Courtney Lawes (Black/white)
5.
6. Lewis Ludlam (black/white)
7. Stefan Armitage (black/white)
8.
9.
10. Danny Cipriani (White and black)
11. Delon Armitage
12. Jeremy Guscott (Did he play 12 ever?) (white/black)
13. Jonathan Joseph (black/white)
14. Jason Robinson or Anthony Watson (black/white)
15. Zebo (m-Irish and f-French island of Martinique)

COACH: Eddie Jones (white/chinese)
Eddie Jones was born in Tasmania to a Japanese American mother and an Australian father.
I’ll make Eddie the coach.
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naki wrote:Specifying countries as a designation of “race” is strange.

A ‘mixed-nation’ XV would be easier and more appropriate, where a player was born to two people of differing nationalities. For example, McCaw (f - New Zealand, m - Heaven)
Let’s be honest, we could pick 10 teams for this scenario. You should get this thread going.
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YOYO wrote:
Wallah wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:I’ll update the 15 (or 23 if we get too many decent options)

1.
2.
3.
4. Courtney Lawes (Black/white)
5.
6. Lewis Ludlam (black/white)
7. Stefan Armitage (black/white)
8.
9.
10. Danny Cipriani (White and black)
11. Delon Armitage
12. Jeremy Guscott (Did he play 12 ever?) (white/black)
13. Jonathan Joseph (black/white)
14. Jason Robinson or Anthony Watson (black/white)
15. Zebo (m-Irish and f-French island of Martinique)

COACH: Eddie Jones (white/chinese)
Eddie Jones was born in Tasmania to a Japanese American mother and an Australian father.
I’ll make Eddie the coach.
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Mick Mannock wrote:
YOYO wrote:
Mick Mannock wrote:Jeremy Guscott
Jonathon Joseph
Ellis Genge
I need you guys to do the research. What countries are their parents from, or where is their race from?
Cannot be bothered with the research ATM

Jason Robinson
Anthony Watson
Hmm.. this is a tough job.
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YOYO wrote:
naki wrote:Specifying countries as a designation of “race” is strange.

A ‘mixed-nation’ XV would be easier and more appropriate, where a player was born to two people of differing nationalities. For example, McCaw (f - New Zealand, m - Heaven)
Let’s be honest, we could pick 10 teams for this scenario. You should get this thread going.
But that’s the exact thread you’ve already started, you’ve just conflated race and nationality for some reason. An actual “mixed-race” XV could include every player on the planet.
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From a ruling perspective, would a mixed Samoan-Tongan-Fijian islander be considered mix race or ethnicity? I didn’t consider any players of mixed African ethnicity.
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naki wrote:
YOYO wrote:
naki wrote:Specifying countries as a designation of “race” is strange.

A ‘mixed-nation’ XV would be easier and more appropriate, where a player was born to two people of differing nationalities. For example, McCaw (f - New Zealand, m - Heaven)
Let’s be honest, we could pick 10 teams for this scenario. You should get this thread going.
But that’s the exact thread you’ve already started, you’ve just conflated race and nationality for some reason. An actual “mixed-race” XV could include every player on the planet.
This thread is about the origins of the two distinct races of the players parents.
It’s more interesting in this format.
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LandOTurk wrote:
LandOTurk wrote:Navidi - Iranian (wrestler) father, Welsh mam
Leon Brown - not sure of his parents' background
Like Kyle Sinclair I don't know if he's like skinned black or mixed race.
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Nick Isiekwe's father is from Nigeria, moved to England when young. Not sure about mum, Ruth, but likely
Anglo-Caucasian?
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Blanco, Nyanga, Betsen....There are probably quite a few for France
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La soule wrote:Blanco, Nyanga, Betsen....There are probably quite a few for France
Hey, give me the countries of the 2 races in question here?
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Nieghorn wrote:Nick Isiekwe's father is from Nigeria, moved to England when young. Not sure about mum, Ruth, but likely
Anglo-Caucasian?
Has he played for the England senior team yet? Googled him. Big lad. Dad Nigerian and mother English or European caucasian at least.
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YOYO wrote:
La soule wrote:Blanco, Nyanga, Betsen....There are probably quite a few for France
Hey, give me the countries of the 2 races in question here?
To not answer your question ;)
Emile Ntmack. Cameroon f. Algerian/French mother
Gael Fickou. Senegalese f. French/Algerian mother
Teddy Thomas. Malian f. French mother
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Craig Wing - Dad Anglo Australian mum Filipino
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Now we’re motoring.

I have to say I never heard of Craig Wing. So he played for Japan. I’ll check later if I can fit him in, perhaps on the bench.
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shereblue wrote:
YOYO wrote:
La soule wrote:Blanco, Nyanga, Betsen....There are probably quite a few for France
Hey, give me the countries of the 2 races in question here?
To not answer your question ;)
Emile Ntmack. Cameroon f. Algerian/French mother
Gael Fickou. Senegalese f. French/Algerian mother
Teddy Thomas. Malian f. French mother
Thierry Dusautoir?
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shereblue wrote:
YOYO wrote:
La soule wrote:Blanco, Nyanga, Betsen....There are probably quite a few for France
Hey, give me the countries of the 2 races in question here?
To not answer your question ;)
Emile Ntmack. Cameroon f. Algerian/French mother
Gael Fickou. Senegalese f. French/Algerian mother
Teddy Thomas. Malian f. French mother
There might be a change required to the staring 15.
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Any number of NZ representative team members .

Can be a mix of Polynesian, Maori and Eurpean of various origins in a number of individuals.

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Maxime M'Banda at 6, Congolese father, Italian mother
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Mr Mike wrote:
shereblue wrote:
YOYO wrote:
La soule wrote:Blanco, Nyanga, Betsen....There are probably quite a few for France
Hey, give me the countries of the 2 races in question here?
To not answer your question ;)
Emile Ntmack. Cameroon f. Algerian/French mother
Gael Fickou. Senegalese f. French/Algerian mother
Teddy Thomas. Malian f. French mother
Thierry Dusautoir?
French father Ivory Coast mother
Blanco is interesting - Venezuelan father and Fr Basque mother
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Wallah wrote:
YOYO wrote:
Wallah wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:I’ll update the 15 (or 23 if we get too many decent options)

1.
2.
3.
4. Courtney Lawes (Black/white)
5.
6. Lewis Ludlam (black/white)
7. Michael Jones (Oceanean/European)
8.
9.
10. Danny Cipriani (White and black)
11. Delon Armitage
12. Jeremy Guscott (Did he play 12 ever?) (white/black)
13. Jonathan Joseph (black/white)
14. Jason Robinson or Anthony Watson (black/white)
15. Zebo (m-Irish and f-French island of Martinique)

COACH: Eddie Jones (white/chinese)
Eddie Jones was born in Tasmania to a Japanese American mother and an Australian father.
I’ll make Eddie the coach.
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Frank Oliver was by no means a handsome pin up boy, but looking at Anton Oliver I can only assume his mother was a Cro-Magnon.
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YOYO wrote:You need to state the 2 different countries where his parents are from (or where his parents race originated from)

m means mother; f means father

2. Sonny Bill Williams (m-Samoan, f-New Zealand-Australian)

This is wrong, SBW's father is Samoan and his mother is Pakeha (white NZer).

I have a question for you, for the purposes of this do we consider Polynesians one race - is someone half Maori (m) and half Samoan (f), like Reiko Ioane, eligible for this team?

Also, the best 7 ever in Michael Jones is available for your team with a Samoan mother and a Pakeha father. Edit: Merlin just beat me to it!
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eldanielfire wrote:I’ll update the 15 (or 23 if we get too many decent options)

1.
2.
3.
4. Courtney Lawes (Black/white)
5.
6. Lewis Ludlam (black/white)
7. Stefan Armitage (black/white)
8.
9.
10. Danny Cipriani (White and black)
11. Delon Armitage
12. Jeremy Guscott (Did he play 12 ever?) (white/black)
13. Jonathan Joseph (black/white)
14. Jason Robinson or Anthony Watson (black/white)
15. Zebo (m-Irish and f-French island of Martinique)

COACH: Eddie Jones (white/chinese)
Eddie Jones is Aus (f) and Japanese (m)
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Kiwias wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:I’ll update the 15 (or 23 if we get too many decent options)

1.
2.
3.
4. Courtney Lawes (Black/white)
5.
6. Lewis Ludlam (black/white)
7. Stefan Armitage (black/white)
8.
9.
10. Danny Cipriani (White and black)
11. Delon Armitage
12. Jeremy Guscott (Did he play 12 ever?) (white/black)
13. Jonathan Joseph (black/white)
14. Jason Robinson or Anthony Watson (black/white)
15. Zebo (m-Irish and f-French island of Martinique)

COACH: Eddie Jones (white/chinese)
Eddie Jones is Aus (f) and Japanese (m)
How could anyone get that one wrong? :shock:
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Ok, I'll make a start at a mixed race NZ team (but realistically we could just fill it with a bunch of Maori-Pakeha players if we wanted to).

15. Christian Cullen (Samoan/touch of Maori, Pakeha)
14. Doug Howlett (Pakeha, Tongan)
13.
12. Walter Little (Pakeha, Fijian)
11. Rieko Ioane (Samoan, Maori)
10 DC (Whatever his dad is that his family suppress, Pakeha) or failing him AC (Pakeha, Maori) or I think Mo'unga is half Tongan and half Samoan?
9. Piri Weepu
8.
7. MJ (Pakeha, Samoan)
6.
5.
4. Ross Filipo (Samoan, Maori)
3. Ben Afeaki (Tongan, Maori)
2.
1.
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UncleFB wrote:Ok, I'll make a start at a mixed race NZ team (but realistically we could just fill it with a bunch of Maori-Pakeha players if we wanted to).

15. Christian Cullen (Samoan/touch of Maori, Pakeha)
14. Doug Howlett (Pakeha, Tongan)
13.
12. Walter Little (Pakeha, Fijian)
11. Rieko Ioane (Samoan, Maori)
10 DC (Whatever his dad is that his family suppress, Pakeha) or failing him AC (Pakeha, Maori) or I think Mo'unga is half Tongan and half Samoan?
9. Piri Weepu
8.
7. MJ (Pakeha, Samoan)
6.
5.
4. Ross Filipo (Samoan, Maori)
3. Ben Afeaki (Tongan, Maori)
2.
1.
Players need to half and half of 2 races.
You need to give the split like I have done. No half measures.
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YOYO wrote:
UncleFB wrote:Ok, I'll make a start at a mixed race NZ team (but realistically we could just fill it with a bunch of Maori-Pakeha players if we wanted to).

15. Christian Cullen (Samoan/touch of Maori, Pakeha)
14. Doug Howlett (Pakeha, Tongan)
13.
12. Walter Little (Pakeha, Fijian)
11. Rieko Ioane (Samoan, Maori)
10 DC (Whatever his dad is that his family suppress, Pakeha) or failing him AC (Pakeha, Maori) or I think Mo'unga is half Tongan and half Samoan?
9. Piri Weepu
8.
7. MJ (Pakeha, Samoan)
6.
5.
4. Ross Filipo (Samoan, Maori)
3. Ben Afeaki (Tongan, Maori)
2.
1.
Players need to half and half of 2 races.
You need to give the split like I have done. No half measures.
I can’t accept Tongan / Maori combo. This more of a difference in ethnicity rather than race.

I’m afraid I can’t accept any of your suggestions except Michael Jones (I think). What’s is racial split by parents.
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YOYO wrote:
YOYO wrote:
UncleFB wrote:Ok, I'll make a start at a mixed race NZ team (but realistically we could just fill it with a bunch of Maori-Pakeha players if we wanted to).

15. Christian Cullen (Samoan/touch of Maori, Pakeha)
14. Doug Howlett (Pakeha, Tongan)
13.
12. Walter Little (Pakeha, Fijian)
11. Rieko Ioane (Samoan, Maori)
10 DC (Whatever his dad is that his family suppress, Pakeha) or failing him AC (Pakeha, Maori) or I think Mo'unga is half Tongan and half Samoan?
9. Piri Weepu
8.
7. MJ (Pakeha, Samoan)
6.
5.
4. Ross Filipo (Samoan, Maori)
3. Ben Afeaki (Tongan, Maori)
2.
1.
Players need to half and half of 2 races.
You need to give the split like I have done. No half measures.
I can’t accept Tongan / Maori combo. This more of a difference in ethnicity rather than race.

I’m afraid I can’t accept any of your suggestions.
Firstly, how can you be sure your entire team is a half and half split?

Secondly, I guess we'll have to restrict ourselves to half Pakeha half Poly and other PI's team then. Might struggle in some positions.

Thirdly why can't you accept any of my suggestions when some of them meet your criteria? At least naki's rules are clearly defined. ;)
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These threads are getting weirder and weirder.
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Uncle Fester wrote:These threads are getting weirder and weirder.
This is one of the least weird threads of the past few weeks. :lol:
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UncleFB wrote:
YOYO wrote:
YOYO wrote:
UncleFB wrote:Ok, I'll make a start at a mixed race NZ team (but realistically we could just fill it with a bunch of Maori-Pakeha players if we wanted to).

15. Christian Cullen (Samoan/touch of Maori, Pakeha)
14. Doug Howlett (Pakeha, Tongan)
13.
12. Walter Little (Pakeha, Fijian)
11. Rieko Ioane (Samoan, Maori)
10 DC (Whatever his dad is that his family suppress, Pakeha) or failing him AC (Pakeha, Maori) or I think Mo'unga is half Tongan and half Samoan?
9. Piri Weepu
8.
7. MJ (Pakeha, Samoan)
6.
5.
4. Ross Filipo (Samoan, Maori)
3. Ben Afeaki (Tongan, Maori)
2.
1.
Players need to half and half of 2 races.
You need to give the split like I have done. No half measures.
I can’t accept Tongan / Maori combo. This more of a difference in ethnicity rather than race.

I’m afraid I can’t accept any of your suggestions.
Firstly, how can you be sure your entire team is a half and half split?

Secondly, I guess we'll have to restrict ourselves to half Pakeha half Poly and other PI's team then. Might struggle in some positions.

Thirdly why can't you accept any of my suggestions when some of them meet your criteria? At least naki's rules are clearly defined. ;)
Half Pakeha half Poly is good by me.
By the way I had edited my previous response to you. Does Michael Jones meet the criteria?
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YOYO wrote:
UncleFB wrote:
YOYO wrote:
YOYO wrote:
UncleFB wrote:Ok, I'll make a start at a mixed race NZ team (but realistically we could just fill it with a bunch of Maori-Pakeha players if we wanted to).

15. Christian Cullen (Samoan/touch of Maori, Pakeha)
14. Doug Howlett (Pakeha, Tongan)
13.
12. Walter Little (Pakeha, Fijian)
11. Rieko Ioane (Samoan, Maori)
10 DC (Whatever his dad is that his family suppress, Pakeha) or failing him AC (Pakeha, Maori) or I think Mo'unga is half Tongan and half Samoan?
9. Piri Weepu
8.
7. MJ (Pakeha, Samoan)
6.
5.
4. Ross Filipo (Samoan, Maori)
3. Ben Afeaki (Tongan, Maori)
2.
1.
Players need to half and half of 2 races.
You need to give the split like I have done. No half measures.
I can’t accept Tongan / Maori combo. This more of a difference in ethnicity rather than race.

I’m afraid I can’t accept any of your suggestions.
Firstly, how can you be sure your entire team is a half and half split?

Secondly, I guess we'll have to restrict ourselves to half Pakeha half Poly and other PI's team then. Might struggle in some positions.

Thirdly why can't you accept any of my suggestions when some of them meet your criteria? At least naki's rules are clearly defined. ;)
Half Pakeha half Poly is good by me.
By the way I had edited my previous response to you. Does Michael Jones meet the criteria?
Yes, Dad was Pakeha NZer (of Welsh stock) and Mum was Samoan. From my original post Walter Little, Doug Holwett, Aaron Cruden and possibly Christian Cullen should all meet your criteria as well.
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