Canadian_Rugger wrote: earl the beaver wrote: Canadian_Rugger wrote:
earl the beaver wrote:
Why do people make these false equivalences?
In places like the UK and Aus where gun ownership is highly regulated and assault weapons illegal why does gun crime rate drop? Why are assault weapons so expensive to be illegally purchased that they are prohibitively expensive to the type of nut job who wants one to shoot up a school?
It's not fúcking coincidence.
There is no statistical correlation between gun ownership and violent crime. Some countries where gun ownership is prohibited have incredibly high rates of violence while others with very high gun ownership have no crime.
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I crunched the numbers myself just to be certain I wasn't falling prey to my own biases.
That is true, some places are lawless shit holes regardless of the gun laws.
However, what you can draw a comparison to are western countries who have introduced more stringent regulation of firearms (the UK and Aus being prime examples) where gun crime has reduced as a result of the regulation, that isn't coincidence.
Be nice if you could back that up with some statistics. The homicide rate in the UK is rising, as well there are countries that have very high levels of firearms ownership that have lower homicide rates than any English speaking country.
Violence is a cultural and social issue, firearms can be a tool but they aren't the real issue.
I personally think letting kids sit at home playing violent video games is far more dangerous than any firearm ever will be.
Or how about the bullshit gangbanger culture that promotes violence, misogyny and anti-authoritarianism?
Nobody is saying we should ban people playing GTA or listening to NWA.
We've got our priorities all backwards. We try and attack symptoms rather than the root causes.
Absolute bullshit, numerous politicians with backwards attitudes have gone after video games and been shown to be wrong time and time again.
As for stats:
Homicides involving firearms before Dunblane
1993 - 75
1994 - 75
1995 - 81
Dunblane and subsequent Firearms Act
2014-15 - 20
2015-16 - 20
2016-17 - 27
1991 - 2900 reported incidents
1993 - 3768 reported incidents
1995 - 4464 reported incidents
Dunblane and Subsequent Firearms Act
2014 - 1562 reported incidents
2015 - 1726 reported incidents
2016 - 1468 reported incidents
Unfortunately the UK crime in England and Wales Report doesn't include data on firearms offences prior to 2003 anymore so I can't outline that with official statistics, however, the rise in firearms offences rate between 1996 and 2000 is attributed to a change in reporting of gun crime at the time to include imitation/replica/airgun etc.
Similarly the increase in homicide rate is skewed by Howard Shipman, who killed 173 people over the course of 30 years but who's victims were recorded in 2003.
I'm sure it's all coincidence though and gun regulation has no impact on gun crime or homicides
How about we look at Australia?
Mass shootings in Australia (5 or more people killed) 1978-1996 - 13
Mass shootings in Australia (5 or more people killed) 1996-2018 - 0
More coincidence I'm sure.