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‘Enough is enough’: Feds unveil ban on 1,500 ‘assault-style’ firearms



Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says the federal government is banning a range of assault-style guns, with an order that takes effect immediately.


Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says the federal government is banning a range of assault-style guns with an order that takes effect immediately.

Trudeau, along with several federal cabinet ministers, unveiled the details of the promised ban on Friday, with Public Safety Minister Bill Blair describing it as a “first step” with others still to come.


The ban will see a total of 1,500 assault-style firearms banned for use, sale, import or transport in Canada effective immediately and includes a two-year amnesty period for current owners.

Eventually, there will also be a buyback program, but those details are still being worked out.


https://globalnews.ca/news/6892959/cana ... eapon-ban/
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Fu.ck you USA
See what happens when you have a sane population
Well done Canada
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guess they don't need a well regulated militia like in the us
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I'm all for this, but know there's probably going to be a bit of blowback over it like over previous gun control measures ...

... like from these people and their signatories (175k by the time it closed, wonder how many were actually Canadian?) https://edmontonjournal.com/news/nation ... -petition/

I wonder if he considers moving ahead with this after the horrific mass shooting recently is still a "knee jerk" action that needs debate? :?
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Winnie wrote:Fu.ck you USA
See what happens when you have a sane population
Well done Canada
A sane population wouldn't have allowed them to be sold in the first place.
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Good for Canada, about 25 years behind their Aussie and British counterparts.
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Akkerman wrote:guess they don't need a well regulated militia like in the us
US militas are hardly well regulated.
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eldanielfire wrote:Good for Canada, about 25 years behind their Aussie and British counterparts.
Yup - Aus and UK were 20 years ahead of Canada in assault gun bans...

Canada was 10 years ahead of Aus and UK on allowing gay marriage.

Strange differences on gov. policy. You would think that timelines would have been more similar...

Just happy to see our countries/societies evolving in a positive manner.
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Winnie wrote:Fu.ck you USA
See what happens when you have a sane population
Well done Canada
A civilised country has no need for these items to be available to civilians. :thumbup: :thumbup:
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eldanielfire wrote:Good for Canada, about 25 years behind their Aussie and British counterparts.
TBF to Canada it's not as if they have a biog problem with assault rifles and they are right next door to America. So just good for Canada
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moosehead wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:Good for Canada, about 25 years behind their Aussie and British counterparts.
Yup - Aus and UK were 20 years ahead of Canada in assault gun bans...

Canada was 10 years ahead of Aus and UK on allowing gay marriage.

Strange differences on gov. policy. You would think that timelines would have been more similar...

Just happy to see our countries/societies evolving in a positive manner.
:thumbup:

So how come your neighbours to the south are backwards then?
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A guy I work with (based in the us) commutes from Canada due to NY being super strict on guns. Be interesting to see how he reacts to this news given he owns 75% of all the guns in the world.
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Akkerman wrote:guess they don't need a well regulated militia like in the us

Who is going to save them for all them liberals.
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eldanielfire wrote:
moosehead wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:Good for Canada, about 25 years behind their Aussie and British counterparts.
Yup - Aus and UK were 20 years ahead of Canada in assault gun bans...

Canada was 10 years ahead of Aus and UK on allowing gay marriage.

Strange differences on gov. policy. You would think that timelines would have been more similar...

Just happy to see our countries/societies evolving in a positive manner.
:thumbup:

So how come your neighbours to the south are backwards then?

History of libertarianism?


Was listening to a podcast a few years ago with an author who half-jokingly - and admitted it'd be impossible to prove - wondered if the American Revolution was the first bit of sorting (rebels stayed, loyalists left) and that immigrants in the 1800s and beyond either knew which was which and stayed, or after a while packed up and moved to where they preferred. I think it was fairly easy to switch into the 1900s - I have one ancestor around the turn of that century who changed citizenship twice.

Might be nothing in it, but - in general - we certainly do have different attitudes when it comes to socialism and state control.
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Well done Canada! :thumbup:
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ScarfaceClaw wrote:A guy I work with (based in the us) commutes from Canada due to NY being super strict on guns. Be interesting to see how he reacts to this news given he owns 75% of all the guns in the world.
Florida :thumbup:
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Think it was 30 years ago in the UK. 20 years ago was handguns.

Still, very impressive move. Hope that it goes through smoothly, and perhaps your southern neighbours can take a look and think maybe it wouldn't be that disastrous.
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Raggs wrote:Think it was 30 years ago in the UK. 20 years ago was handguns.

Still, very impressive move. Hope that it goes through smoothly, and perhaps your southern neighbours can take a look and think maybe it wouldn't be that disastrous.
Yup, semi automatic rifles after Hungerford, handguns after Dunblane IIRC.

You can actually own some reasonably impressive weaponry in the UK - .50 sniper rifles etc. but there are a lot of hoops to jump through.
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moosehead wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:Good for Canada, about 25 years behind their Aussie and British counterparts.
Yup - Aus and UK were 20 years ahead of Canada in assault gun bans...

Canada was 10 years ahead of Aus and UK on allowing gay marriage.

Strange differences on gov. policy. You would think that timelines would have been more similar...

Just happy to see our countries/societies evolving in a positive manner.
Didn’t realise Canada allowed gay marriage in the mid 90irs.
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Conserative Party leader and gun advocates of course need to wade in.

If these estimates are of legally obtained ones, why are they even allowed?
Critics maintain that these sort of bans target licensed gun owners rather than criminals, who often turn to the black market to procure firearms to commit crimes.

Rod Giltaca, CEO of the Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights, said the firearms community is "devastated" by Friday's development.

"The only people that will lose their guns in this action are licensed gun owners. No criminals will register or turn in a single rifle," he said in a statement. "This move is viewed as entirely political."

Illegal firearms from U.S. sources are used in 70 to 90 per cent of all gun-related crimes.

Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer dismissed the government's ban as "symbolism over substance," saying it does nothing to target smugglers or those who illegally modify firearms.

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"We know the Liberal approach is to ask law-abiding firearms owners to follow more laws — that's lazy and ineffective," Scheer said in an interview. "It's easy but lazy."

"Doing this at a time when Canadians are very concerned about this pandemic is completely unacceptable. Now is not the time to make these major policy changes, especially when they've proven so ineffective."

When asked if the government would do more to police the border, Trudeau said other measures were in the works. Blair sidestepped the question when asked about CBC's reporting on the low number of firearms seized at the border.

The M16, M4, AR-10 and AR-15 rifles were used in the Sandy Hook, New Zealand, Las Vegas and Orlando mass shootings. There are an estimated 83,572 of them in Canada.

The Ruger Mini-14, the type of firearm used in the École Polytechnique shooting, is also on the list. There are an estimated 16,859 of them in Canada.

The M14 rifle, used in the Moncton shooting, is also expected to be banned. There are an estimated 5,229 of those in Canada.
As someone in the comments of the CBC article said, as a gun-owner, you can't hunt with them, so what's the point? Target shooting and to feel like a big man?

Speaking of comments, have a look at the anti-Trudeau brigade at the bottom of this article. Some of the names in there pop up many times and in every article that's mildly controversial (why o why can't I just stop checking the first 10 comments on these sort of stories?!). Just Canadian nutjobs or paid spammers, who knows?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudea ... -1.5552131
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Akkerman wrote:guess they don't need a well regulated militia like in the us
At places like Queenstown Heights the well regulated Canadian militia more than proved their point to their American neighbours...
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What do you mean by "banned"? I am of the understanding that NZ's recent ban of them is more of a reduction of the ammo capacity rather than an outright ban.
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croyals wrote:
Akkerman wrote:guess they don't need a well regulated militia like in the us
At places like Queenstown Heights the well regulated Canadian militia more than proved their point to their American neighbours...
Only one country has ever invaded the USA and burned down the White House.....
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Great job Canada.
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True Blue wrote:What do you mean by "banned"? I am of the understanding that NZ's recent ban of them is more of a reduction of the ammo capacity rather than an outright ban.
Most semi automatic weapons are prohibited outright. It more or less goes that any firearm with detachable magazines is limited to 5 shots, except any shotgun with a detachable magazine is prohibited. Any shotgun is limited to 5 shots. 22s and less can have non-detachable magazines up to 10 shots.
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moosehead wrote:
croyals wrote:
Akkerman wrote:guess they don't need a well regulated militia like in the us
At places like Queenstown Heights the well regulated Canadian militia more than proved their point to their American neighbours...
Only one country has ever invaded the USA and burned down the White House.....

Great Britain! :D https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of ... _of_battle
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And now the posts have begun from people I grew up with in small town Ontario ...
Trudeau with his ridiculous gun ban... the photo above is a legally owned ar15 worth $1300. It’s semi automatic and shoots a magazine that only allows 5 bullets to be in the gun. It’s against the law to hold any more. It is RESTRICED and requires an EXTRA license to own, and with that comes an extreme set of rules for transportation etc. Please note, this gun is ILLEGAL for hunting. It is only for target shooting. Trudeau’s line “You don’t need that kind of fire power to bring down a deer” is redundant. Because sir... it’s ILLEGAL and always has been to use it for any kind of hunting. Also deer hunting rifles are A LOT more powerful.

The picture below of the wooden gun. Is a SEMI AUTOMATIC that holds 5 rounds in the magazine. It was the assault rifle of choice for many Countries and used in the Korean War. It is NON RESTRICTED. And you can buy them at Canadian Tire for $300, and you CAN hunt with them.

In case you missed it... they both do the exact same thing. And he is only banning one of them

Also to note, not one AR-15 has been used in a mass shooting in Canada. It’s almost always illegally owned hand guns, or stolen hunting rifles.

I’ve been into sport shooting for years and the AR-15 is like the Ferrari of rifles. A lot of people I know own them at the range and say the same thing. Now we will all be forced to sell the back to the government at a GREATLY reduced price.

Mass shootings, and mass killings are a result of a mental illness, do you agree? A mentally sound human being would never think of harming or killing another person. The weapon of choice is not to blame.

People are killed with baseball bats, and they’re still used for sporting purposes. So why can’t target rifles still be used for sporting purposes?

Now responsible, respectful abiding gun owners get shafted.
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Ted. wrote:
True Blue wrote:What do you mean by "banned"? I am of the understanding that NZ's recent ban of them is more of a reduction of the ammo capacity rather than an outright ban.
Most semi automatic weapons are prohibited outright. It more or less goes that any firearm with detachable magazines is limited to 5 shots, except any shotgun with a detachable magazine is prohibited. Any shotgun is limited to 5 shots. 22s and less can have non-detachable magazines up to 10 shots.
Seems broadly similar to what I understand is the case for most Strayan states.
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Go Canada!
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Is there any evidence that mentally ill crazy fúcks "turn to the black market?"

I haven't seen any. I'd genuinely trust criminals to weed out these fúcks more than gun stores.
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I remember as a young cop doing a firearms licence check. The lad had quite an array of weapons without any obvious need. I asked why he wanted to renew the licence and he replied "I just like having them". I walked out with every weapon he had. His appeal went all the way to the High Court and my decision was upheld.

I believe the UK's stance on firearms ownership is something we should be very proud off and it's mental that so many nations allow people to own firearms just because they like having them.
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The only people that will lose their guns in this action are licensed gun owners. No criminals will register or turn in a single rifle
A member of political party used this line? :uhoh:

Sure, let's not have any laws. After all, the criminals won't abide by them, so what's the point?

People are killed with baseball bats, and they’re still used for sporting purposes. So why can’t target rifles still be used for sporting purposes?
Yay, the false equivalences. I don't know about anyone else, but I fancy my chances of outrunning a dude with a bat far more than I do a bullet. People who push this line always seem to miss that while guns have been put to a 'sporting' (yeah right) purpose, that's not what they're designed for or why they were initially conceived whereas other things often tossed up as 'why not ban this because you can use it to hurt people' are in entirely the opposite situation.
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Shame the opposition leader seems to want to make it a political battle given the reasons it's being done. Need a bit of cross party support when there are these tragedies around.
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Well done Canada !

None of the; 'why should honest gun owners suffer'; pundits ever address the question; "How do these guns get into the hands of criminals ?"

Because they know that one of the main routes, is by the guns being stolen from, 'honest gun owners' !

If you stop that source of supply, you cut down the number of guns the criminals have access to.
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Mullet 2 wrote:Is there any evidence that mentally ill crazy fúcks "turn to the black market?"

I haven't seen any. I'd genuinely trust criminals to weed out these fúcks more than gun stores.
Given for 20 years the UK and Australia haven't had much dealings with guns from the black market say vs the USAs legal one school shooting a month record, would suggest the argument is total and utter BS. I mean the Uk has had no school shootings since Dunblane.
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sockwithaticket wrote:
Akkerman wrote:guess they don't need a well regulated militia like in the us
US militas are hardly well regulated.
I think you might have missed the joke.
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Mullet 2 wrote:Is there any evidence that mentally ill crazy fúcks "turn to the black market?"

I haven't seen any. I'd genuinely trust criminals to weed out these fúcks more than gun stores.
It's certainly not often you read that one of these crazies who goes on a killing spree of innocents is a hardened criminal carrying illegal assault weapons.
Usually some twat with a bunch of legal weapons of mass slaughter who'd shit himself if he saw a criminal.
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Ban doesn't apply to aboriginals.
Despite Trudeau telling us these types of guns have no purpose other than to kill people. Natives are allowed to keep them for hunting.

Pointless, populist legislation just like the failed long gun registry that does nothing but keep the liberal urbanites happy.
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PRPX wrote:Ban doesn't apply to aboriginals.
Despite Trudeau telling us these types of guns have no purpose other than to kill people. Natives are allowed to keep them for hunting.

Pointless, populist legislation just like the failed long gun registry that does nothing but keep the liberal urbanites happy.
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