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sockwithaticket wrote:
Ali's Choice wrote:
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nardol wrote:Someone here have more knowledge why Fiji have appeared to have made great strides when it was Samoa 10 years or so ago who looked best positioned to break the T2 ceiling.

Is this down to how well the Union is being run? I know the Samoan political leader is basically pocketing loads of world rugby money instead of funding the Union - is this kind of thing what has caused the differing outcomes?
No. World Rugby have controlled and audited every cent in the SRU since 2011.

Fiji have historically been the powerhouse in the PIs. Samoa only came along in the 1990s.
Why do Europeans just assume that Samoans/Islanders are dishonest? Especially when you consider Tier 1 countries such as South Africa have far worse political corruption than Samoa ever will.

Moreover, why is it "world rugby money" when much of it comes from the RWC TV rights, which Samoancontributes to but doesn't make a cent from?
As I understand it the Samoan union is alone in having World Rugby take direct control of their finances due to corruption.

No one has said all Islanders are dishonest you squealing infant.
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nardol wrote:
Ali's Choice wrote:
Auckman wrote:
nardol wrote:Someone here have more knowledge why Fiji have appeared to have made great strides when it was Samoa 10 years or so ago who looked best positioned to break the T2 ceiling.

Is this down to how well the Union is being run? I know the Samoan political leader is basically pocketing loads of world rugby money instead of funding the Union - is this kind of thing what has caused the differing outcomes?
No. World Rugby have controlled and audited every cent in the SRU since 2011.

Fiji have historically been the powerhouse in the PIs. Samoa only came along in the 1990s.
Why do Europeans just assume that Samoans/Islanders are dishonest? Especially when you consider Tier 1 countries such as South Africa have far worse political corruption than Samoa ever will.

Moreover, why is it "world rugby money" when much of it comes from the RWC TV rights, which Samoancontributes to but doesn't make a cent from?
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sockwithaticket wrote:
As I understand it the Samoan union is alone in having World Rugby take direct control of their finances due to corruption.

No one has said all Islanders are dishonest you squealing infant.
Not quite. WR haven't directly taken control as such, but they do make a point of having their own audits every year and monitor quite closely WR grants that do flow into the union.

It is true though that Fiji, Tonga, and Samoa have had certain WR funding withheld at various points when the Union decided not to obey directives from the world governing body - eg: in Samoa's case, they wanted a local coach for the Manu Samoa and went against the "recommendation" from the WR-controlled selection panel.

The main reason all this stuff came into the forefront in 2011 was because the players were unhappy at their low wages at the world cup and blamed it on corrupt officials within the union. Well, in 2019, their wages haven't actually improved very much since 2011; they are still very low. They don't blame the union anymore because the WR audits reveal there isn't much money to pay them. Same story as ever. WR certainly don't fund player wages.
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sockwithaticket wrote:
Auckman wrote:
sockwithaticket wrote:
As I understand it the Samoan union is alone in having World Rugby take direct control of their finances due to corruption.

No one has said all Islanders are dishonest you squealing infant.
Not quite. WR haven't directly taken control as such, but they do make a point of having their own audits every year and monitor quite closely WR grants that do flow into the union.

It is true though that Fiji, Tonga, and Samoa have had certain WR funding withheld at various points when the Union decided not to obey directives from the world governing body - eg: in Samoa's case, they wanted a local coach for the Manu Samoa and went against the "recommendation" from the WR-controlled selection panel.

The main reason all this stuff came into the forefront in 2011 was because the players were unhappy at their low wages at the world cup and blamed it on corrupt officials within the union. Well, in 2019, their wages haven't actually improved very much since 2011; they are still very low. They don't blame the union anymore because the WR audits reveal there isn't much money to pay them. Same story as ever. WR certainly don't fund player wages.
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Might as well start up an official PI rugby thread and split it away from the RC thread.
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This thread will die like their rugby teams.
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Depends how long Comets is banned for.
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I miss Oceanbreeze
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Can you please merge. It is insane that you play as separate countries. Merge to make your rugby stronger, like Ireland.
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le chat wrote:Can you please merge. It is insane that you play as separate countries. Merge to make your rugby stronger, like Ireland.

And here I was thinking that it was France that merged with the PIs

*checks French squad*


HEY YOU HAVE MERGED!
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There's talk of Fiji and Japan joining an expanded RC...most likely wont happen for Fiji at least. Would have been nice though.
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flaggETERNAL wrote:There's talk of Fiji and Japan joining an expanded RC...most likely wont happen for Fiji at least. Would have been nice though.
Rassie says you must have hope. :thumbup:
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Pacific Island players being mistreated thread

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https://twitter.com/pacificwelfare/stat ... 2841772033

Reports that Fiji lock Leone Nakarawa could be fired from Racing92 for spending longer than his agreed 2 weeks off with family in Fiji.
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I’m sorry but 2weeks off after playing almost every minute of Fiji’s RWC campaign & build-up, directly after a long Euro season is not enough

Particularly when most Tier1 players get a mandatory 4-5 week break

A big reason why players turn down playing for Pacific Isles & Tier2
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Thought this was a thread about SBW.
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an expert friend of mine brought this up on facebook .. they won't do shit........... if it was any other fijian they would have been fired but you need huge balls to fire the octopus cause the next club will sign him up almost immediately and with more money..the club needs HIM not the other way around..
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thread on some Irish cunt will get its own thread, thread on PI players and they get merged together... ..sala no chooni admin of this site.. :thumbdown:
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Prop Ben Tameifuna returned from the world cup weighing 160kgs... and has been told by his club that he will not play until he has shed at least 20kgs...

That being said, the lack of proper conditioning didn't seem much of a handicap for Tonga against France...
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He probably loses 5kg taking a shit.
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Leone Nakarawa gone?

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Rumours on twitter that Racing 92 are sacking him for spending longer than 2 weeks in Fiji with his family.
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What's the best plan for 'step down' eligibility?

I'd go with:

<5 tests, 2 year stand down.
<10 tests, 3 year stand down.
<25 tests, 5 year stand down

Tier 1-> Tier 2/3 or Tier 2 -> Tier 3.
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Zakar wrote:What's the best plan for 'step down' eligibility?

I'd go with:

<5 tests, 2 year stand down.
<10 tests, 3 year stand down.
<25 tests, 5 year stand down

Tier 1-> Tier 2/3 or Tier 2 -> Tier 3.
Has this been mentioned somewhere by WR or is this your idea? Either way, I think that's a good way of going about it.
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nah less than 10 tests (Actual tests and not "games") 3 years but can qualify in 2 years if the former tier 1 team releases you from your contract..
10-20 tests, same rules bu 4 years reduced to 3 if officially released by your former team.
20+, same rules but 5 years, doesn't matter if your former union releases you or not.
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Auckman wrote:
Zakar wrote:What's the best plan for 'step down' eligibility?

I'd go with:

<5 tests, 2 year stand down.
<10 tests, 3 year stand down.
<25 tests, 5 year stand down

Tier 1-> Tier 2/3 or Tier 2 -> Tier 3.
Has this been mentioned somewhere by WR or is this your idea? Either way, I think that's a good way of going about it.
The broader idea has been mooted, I know Ayden Clarke had a proposal. What I posted is my own idea though.
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TheFrog wrote:Prop Ben Tameifuna returned from the world cup weighing 160kgs... and has been told by his club that he will not play until he has shed at least 20kgs...

That being said, the lack of proper conditioning didn't seem much of a handicap for Tonga against France...

Nakarawa has disappeared. He didn't report for work in Paris. Racing 92 say he stayed back home with the family, in the Fiji Island.

Some serious soul searching going on for the PI guys it seems...

Must be tough to play in Europe, especially through the winter when you grew up in the sunny Pacific.
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nah Nakarawa is building his house back in Fiji, he is trying to get it done before he leaves....usually building houses in fiji takes like a month..

honestly, i want him to get fired, teh club does NOT deserve him, they made him crap the last 2 years, he deserves to play for a team that will appreciate his talent and its not inTop14 but in UK..
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Kicking off tomorrow and acting as an Olympic qualifier for Australia, Samoa with Tonga an outside chance. Great for all these minnows to play against the top sides.
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yet they have to play against Fiji and NZ who are already qualified.


Dark horse - watch for Tonga. They drew with Samoa at the July Pacific Games (won by Fiji B over Samoa).
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Auckman wrote:yet they have to play against Fiji and NZ who are already qualified.


Dark horse - watch for Tonga. They drew with Samoa at the July Pacific Games (won by Fiji B over Samoa).
Id like them to do it to get league off the front pages over there
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not shown live in fiji, delayed.. bugger..
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Fiji. Cai tiko.
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Auckman wrote:yet they have to play against Fiji and NZ who are already qualified. .
Actually not true.

The qualification will be decided before any potential match-up with either of those.
Auckman wrote:Dark horse - watch for Tonga. They drew with Samoa at the July Pacific Games (won by Fiji B over Samoa).
Maybe, although Pac Games wouldn't be the foremost form line.
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kiap wrote:
Auckman wrote:yet they have to play against Fiji and NZ who are already qualified. .
Actually not true.

The qualification will be decided before any potential match-up with either of those.
How does that work? Are only points against other teams counted??
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Auckman wrote:Dark horse - watch for Tonga. They drew with Samoa at the July Pacific Games (won by Fiji B over Samoa).
Maybe, although Pac Games wouldn't be the foremost form line.
Fiji weren't at full strength but Samoa was.
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I wonder what sort of team Tonga is putting forward. We're suppose to use this tournament to qualify guys like Charles Piutau, Fekitoa etc to play 15s for Tonga.
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Auckman wrote:
kiap wrote:
Auckman wrote:yet they have to play against Fiji and NZ who are already qualified. .
Actually not true.

The qualification will be decided before any potential match-up with either of those.
How does that work? Are only points against other teams counted??
Nup. They can't meet until the final, deliberately so, due to the draw and semifinals path. One of the semis is essentially the olympic qualification decider. It works like this.
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kiap wrote:
Auckman wrote:
kiap wrote:
Auckman wrote:yet they have to play against Fiji and NZ who are already qualified. .
Actually not true.

The qualification will be decided before any potential match-up with either of those.
How does that work? Are only points against other teams counted??
Nup. They can't meet until the final, deliberately so, due to the draw and semifinals path. One of the semis is essentially the olympic qualification decider. It works like this.
Strange. So obviously Japan, Nieue and New Calledonia are ineligible for Olympic qualification?
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Zakar wrote:
kiap wrote:
Auckman wrote:
kiap wrote:
Auckman wrote:yet they have to play against Fiji and NZ who are already qualified. .
Actually not true.

The qualification will be decided before any potential match-up with either of those.
How does that work? Are only points against other teams counted??
Nup. They can't meet until the final, deliberately so, due to the draw and semifinals path. One of the semis is essentially the olympic qualification decider. It works like this.
Strange. So obviously Japan, Nieue and New Calledonia are ineligible for Olympic qualification?
I think Niue (pop. 1500) might be theoretically eligible. ;) NCL is a personally-held colony of Napoleon's, hence not olympic eligible for Oceania. Ditto Japan (Hirohito), although they are hosting the show and therefore aren't in need of a ticket.

TBF, the way it's drawn does actually make sense.
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kiap wrote: I think Niue (pop. 1500) might be theoretically eligible. ;) NCL is a personally-held colony of Napoleon's, hence not olympic eligible for Oceania. Ditto Japan (Hirohito), although they are hosting the show and therefore aren't in need of a ticket.

TBF, the way it's drawn does actually make sense.
f**king Bullshit for Niue :lol:

Looks like they're probably ineligible as a personally held colony of Jacinta
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Zakar wrote:
kiap wrote: I think Niue (pop. 1500) might be theoretically eligible. ;) NCL is a personally-held colony of Napoleon's, hence not olympic eligible for Oceania. Ditto Japan (Hirohito), although they are hosting the show and therefore aren't in need of a ticket.

TBF, the way it's drawn does actually make sense.
f**king Bullshit for Niue :lol:

Looks like they're probably ineligible as a personally held colony of Jacinta
Bloody Jacinta, eh.

She's a tyrant! :nod:
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