4th June 1989.

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Sensible Stephen wrote: Christ. You are the one who is incapable of a reasoned discussion on this topic.

Fair go, those of us who are not personally involved are entitled to our opinions, but HK is there, and is personally involved. He has a choice, I suppose, to walk away from his career. Otherwise he and his colleagues are employed to carry out their orders, like it or lump it. Try putting yourself in his situation, and get off your high horse.
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wamberal wrote::roll:
Sensible Stephen wrote: Christ. You are the one who is incapable of a reasoned discussion on this topic.

Fair go, those of us who are not personally involved are entitled to our opinions, but HK is there, and is personally involved. He has a choice, I suppose, to walk away from his career. Otherwise he and his colleagues are employed to carry out their orders, like it or lump it. Try putting yourself in his situation, and get off your high horse.
:lol:

Try taking your own advice.

HK regularly dismisses protesters, "purported breech of human rights" etc. Calls them cockroaches. Me effectively telling him hes a twat is me on a high horse is it? Pull yourself off a bit more mate.
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All good, nothing too see here. Just need to get back to making money and not worrying about all this nonsense.
China hints it could prevent Hong Kongers moving to UK

China has raised the prospect of preventing Hong Kong citizens from taking up British residency after the UK gave the right to almost three million of them to move there permanently following Beijing's introduction of its draconian national security law.

In fiercely worded comments, China strongly condemned the offer by Dominic Rabb, the UK’s Foreign Secretary, which came after almost 400 arrests at pro-democracy protests in Hong Kong on Wednesday (local time), 10 of them under the new law.

Beijing warned of a backlash.

The law, rushed through in secrecy on Tuesday night, introduced life sentences or long prison terms for vaguely defined crimes linked to secession, subversion, terrorism and collusion with foreign forces.

It sparked instant international condemnation.

Zhao Lijian, a Chinese foreign affairs spokesman, said: "China reaffirms that Hong Kong affairs are purely China's internal affairs and no foreign country has the right to interfere.

“The Chinese government is firmly determined to safeguard China's sovereignty, security and development interests."

He added that China "reserves the right to take further corresponding measures, and the UK shall bear all consequences arising from this".

Asked to specify what he meant, he said: "Please wait patiently. It is not the right timing yet."

One diplomat with 22 years' experience of working in and around China wondered if that might involve forcing all those trying to leave Hong Kong to fill in departure forms, and denying permission to fly.

"But that would really be to trash the joint declaration," said Charles Parton, senior associate fellow at the international security think tank Royal United Services Institute (RUSI).

Similar speculation was running on social media yesterday.

Zhao also took aim at Australia after it said it, too, was planning to offer Hong Kong citizens sanctuary, and at the US, as the House of Representatives backed sanctions against China.

That measure would hit banks like HSBC, which supported the law.

As Boris Johnson accused China of "an unacceptable breach" of Hong Kong's freedoms under the "one country, two systems" agreement when the colony was handed back in 1997, Downing Street indicated sanctions were under consideration.

Such a move is backed by Tory MPs including Tobias Ellwood, chairman of the defence select committee, and Sir Iain Duncan Smith, the former party leader.

Johnson made clear that the row could damage Chinese tech firm Huawei's controversial involvement in Britain's 5G network.

He told the Evening Standard: "I don't want to see our critical national infrastructure at risk of being in any way controlled by potentially hostile state vendors. So we have to think very carefully about how to proceed now."

Sir Iain called on the Government to launch a review into how to end the UK's "dependency on China as soon as Monday".

"The free world has got to come together and do this, otherwise China will just pick people off one after another. We have to work and come together.

"Humming and harring, hesitating, is not the order of the day. They must now lead this."

He added that China needed to be "eradicated from secure areas" and added that the "number one target is Huawei".

"It's over for them and they should know it," he said.

Taiwan on Tuesday instructed its citizens to avoid travelling to Hong Kong, Macau or China. Australia was also advising its citizens to avoid the area, telling them it was possible to break the new laws without even knowing it, but that could still lead to life imprisonment.

Britain was keeping its travel advice under review, the Foreign Office said.

After news that the law was coming, Hong Kong migration agencies reported a big increase in inquiries.

Tina Cheng at Midland Immigration Consultancy told The Financial Times that the agency received 800 inquiries in May, double the one-month peak of 400 during 2019. "It was almost like a tsunami," she said.

A 24-year-old man was hauled off a Cathay Pacific flight from Hong Kong to London close to midnight on Wednesday after a police officer was stabbed in the arm during earlier protests.

He had arrived at the airport without luggage, and was the only passenger to have bought his ticket that day.

Meanwhile, Nathan Law, one of Hong Kong's most prominent young democracy activists, announced on Wednesday he had fled overseas because of the sweeping security law. He refused to say where he was, but said he would continue his advocacy work.

The revelation that Law had left the territory came as it emerged a protest slogan used over the last year was now illegal under Beijing's new law.

"Liberate Hong Kong, Revolution of our Times" has become a clarion call for pro-democracy protesters over the last year.

Hong Kong's government said the phrase was now illegal because it "contains the indications of Hong Kong independence, or alienating Hong Kong from China, or changing its legal status, or subverting the state".

It is seen as confirmation that even peaceful political views have become illegal since the law came in on Tuesday night.
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Sensible Stephen wrote: Christ. You are the one who is incapable of a reasoned discussion on this topic.

And this is "reasoned discussion" is it?
Try taking your own advice. Pull yourself off a bit more mate.
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wamberal wrote:
Sensible Stephen wrote: Christ. You are the one who is incapable of a reasoned discussion on this topic.

And this is "reasoned discussion" is it?
Try taking your own advice. Pull yourself off a bit more mate.
FFS. English a bit of a struggle for you? Where was I claiming to be having a reasoned discussion with you anyway?

HK was accusing Naki111, one of the most open and balanced posters re: China of not being able to have a reasoned discussion. I fired back that it was him who was struggling in this regard, not Naki.

Somehow you think this means I am on a high horse. :lol:
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so plod is still on the commie payroll (for some reason i thought he'd retired early) and enforcing oppressive laws on the innocent ('cockroaches').

but he thinks 'the orange shitgibbon' is a sociopath and a threat to democracy.. :roll:
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Hong Kong wrote:
naki111 wrote:You and Wamberal are borderline caricatures of yourselves at this point. It won't surprise me one bit if I'm banned for stating my 2c given your apparent distaste for free speech and right to assembly in conjunction with the arbitrary nature of moderation on the bored.
You can say whatever TF you like fella (see what I did there?) you won’t get banned by me (see what I did again?) and you can join up with whoever you like to say whatever you like (once more for clarity, as you appear incapable of reasoned discussion) and I for one, won’t give a flying rats arse...

I do reserve the right to completely ignore the above and randomly permaban you and anyone who agrees with your warped sense of justice and whatever is going on in HK.

(See what I did there?)
:?

Not happy about being called on your support of authoritarianism? Seems like I've touched a nerve there petal.
warped sense of justice
Fuck me, that is rich.
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China reaffirms that Hong Kong affairs are purely China's internal affairs and no foreign country has the right to interfere.
Would be nice if they followed their own advice for once and stopped interfering in ours for a hot second then.

He added that China "reserves the right to take further corresponding measures, and the UK shall bear all consequences arising from this".

Asked to specify what he meant, he said: "Please wait patiently. It is not the right timing yet."
I'm not in China on a UK passport right now, but for my mates that are, there is genuine concern that they could be taken hostage on trumped up espionage charges as those two Canadians were at the start of last year when the Meng Wanzhou case had just come to light. Although I'd love for NZ to take a stronger stand on Chinese unilateralism, the reality is that people like myself and my friends and colleagues will be the victims as this tit for tat over Hong Kong continues.

Anyone who thinks we are not entering in to or already are in a second Cold War needs to wake up and smell the coffee.
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I remember thinking at the time of the handover "50 years of one country two systems? Yeah right, they'll be lucky to get 10" so quite surprised they got longer tbh. It's always been just a matter of time, though.

Best of luck, naki111 - stay safe, bro.
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SecretAgentMan wrote:I remember thinking at the time of the handover "50 years of one country two systems? Yeah right, they'll be lucky to get 10" so quite surprised they got longer tbh. It's always been just a matter of time, though.

Best of luck, naki111 - stay safe, bro.
Cheers mate. Hope everything is well in deepest darkest W(h)angaz :D
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All subversives will be round up and arbitrarily detained without recourse to remedy their unjust detention. And quite bloody right - we’ve had enough of these moments where useless wankers do nothing more than cause mayhem and destruction. Don’t like it? Fuckrightoff to somewhere that gives a flyingfuck what you think you are entitled to. We don’t want you in HK. Fuckoff! 🇬🇧 🇺🇸 and elsewhere in the world, please take these dippy fucktards of our hands. Thanks
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Hong Kong wrote:All subversives will be round up and arbitrarily detained without recourse to remedy their unjust detention. And quite bloody right - we’ve had enough of these moments where useless wankers do nothing more than cause mayhem and destruction. Don’t like it? Fuckrightoff to somewhere that gives a flyingfuck what you think you are entitled to. We don’t want you in HK. Fuckoff! 🇬🇧 🇺🇸 and elsewhere in the world, please take these dippy fucktards of our hands. Thanks
Fúcking hell
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Hong Kong wrote:All subversives will be round up and arbitrarily detained without recourse to remedy their unjust detention. And quite bloody right
Do you not think that at some point someone you care about will be considered a subversive and rounded up and arbitrarily detained without recourse to remedy their unjust detention?
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Holy shit. You're a policeman???
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The Chinese are horrible bastards and I see the anti Chinese stuff is getting more and more common. But let's not pretend that the West is suddenly concerned with human rights. If the Chinese didn't threaten Western Interests, you wouldn't hear much in the media and HK wouldn't get byline in the newspaper.
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Hong Kong wrote:All subversives will be round up and arbitrarily detained without recourse to remedy their unjust detention. And quite bloody right - we’ve had enough of these moments where useless wankers do nothing more than cause mayhem and destruction. Don’t like it? Fuckrightoff to somewhere that gives a flyingfuck what you think you are entitled to. We don’t want you in HK. Fuckoff! 🇬🇧 🇺🇸 and elsewhere in the world, please take these dippy fucktards of our hands. Thanks
Wow, seriously?

Stalin/Hitler/Mao would be proud. Saves on those troublesome court costs right.

You are a piece of trash.
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Sensible Stephen wrote:
Hong Kong wrote:All subversives will be round up and arbitrarily detained without recourse to remedy their unjust detention. And quite bloody right - we’ve had enough of these moments where useless wankers do nothing more than cause mayhem and destruction. Don’t like it? Fuckrightoff to somewhere that gives a flyingfuck what you think you are entitled to. We don’t want you in HK. Fuckoff! 🇬🇧 🇺🇸 and elsewhere in the world, please take these dippy fucktards of our hands. Thanks
Wow, seriously?

Stalin/Hitler/Mao would be proud. Saves on those troublesome court costs right.

You are a piece of trash.
Go cry me a river
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Not if you use a long stick
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Hong Kong wrote:
Sensible Stephen wrote:
Hong Kong wrote:All subversives will be round up and arbitrarily detained without recourse to remedy their unjust detention. And quite bloody right - we’ve had enough of these moments where useless wankers do nothing more than cause mayhem and destruction. Don’t like it? Fuckrightoff to somewhere that gives a flyingfuck what you think you are entitled to. We don’t want you in HK. Fuckoff! 🇬🇧 🇺🇸 and elsewhere in the world, please take these dippy fucktards of our hands. Thanks
Wow, seriously?

Stalin/Hitler/Mao would be proud. Saves on those troublesome court costs right.

You are a piece of trash.
Go cry me a river

Serving Hong Kong with Honour, Duty and Loyalty...
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The longer this war stays cold the more likely China wins it. I can't wait for it to go hot.
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CrazyIslander wrote:
Bowens wrote:
CrazyIslander wrote:The difference with Hong Kong is that they were under a democratic country and were handed over to an oppressive regime. They were sold out by the Brits and decision makers who put the 50 year timeframe knowing that they would've died by then. Remember this was agreed around the same time as Tianament square. The current generation were betrayed.
Speaking of experts, here he is! Back to share more wisdom. :lol:
You don't agree?
I don't think anyone agrees.

Under the agreement signed in 1897, Hong Kong was leased by the British under British rule until 1997. After that date it reverted to China. Nobody was betrayed.
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Rinkals wrote: Under the agreement signed in 1897, Hong Kong was leased by the British under British rule until 1997. After that date it reverted to China. Nobody was betrayed.

That, my friend, is just total bullshit. Do yourself a favour, do a tiny bit of research on the subject. If you do, you will discover that it was the "New Territories" which were the subject of the lease which expired in 1997. Hong Kong was ceded by the Qing Dynasty to the British in the aftermath of the Opium Wars, in 1843.


As far as "betrayal" is concerned, it could be argued that the Brits had a moral responsibility to issue full British Passports to all bona fide Hong Kong residents prior to the handover in 1997; a limited number of full passports were issued, the balance of residents were offered a watered down "passport" which operated as a travel document, but which did not entitle the holders to permanent residency in the UK. It is the latter document which the Brits are now talking about converting into a full passport.
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guy smiley wrote::lol: :lol: :lol:

Crazyislander... the Most Stupid Poster we’ve ever had here.

By the length of the back straight. Quite an achievement considering the competition.

To be fair- I think he is smarter than you. You CHOSE to be an Australian.
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naki111 wrote:You and Wamberal are borderline caricatures of yourselves at this point. It won't surprise me one bit if I'm banned for stating my 2c given your apparent distaste for free speech and right to assembly in conjunction with the arbitrary nature of moderation on the bored.

The mods on here are a joke- The fact that someone who clearly posted racist comments about pakistanis is still a mod and never got banned is up there with the biggest scams on these forums
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wamberal wrote:
Rinkals wrote: Under the agreement signed in 1897, Hong Kong was leased by the British under British rule until 1997. After that date it reverted to China. Nobody was betrayed.

That, my friend, is just total bullshit. Do yourself a favour, do a tiny bit of research on the subject. If you do, you will discover that it was the "New Territories" which were the subject of the lease which expired in 1997. Hong Kong was ceded by the Qing Dynasty to the British in the aftermath of the Opium Wars, in 1843.


As far as "betrayal" is concerned, it could be argued that the Brits had a moral responsibility to issue full British Passports to all bona fide Hong Kong residents prior to the handover in 1997; a limited number of full passports were issued, the balance of residents were offered a watered down "passport" which operated as a travel document, but which did not entitle the holders to permanent residency in the UK. It is the latter document which the Brits are now talking about converting into a full passport.
Meh.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Hong_Kong
Although Hong Kong Island and Kowloon were ceded in perpetuity, the leased area comprised 92 per cent of the territory and Britain considered that there was no viable way to divide the now single colony, while the Chinese Communist Party would not consider extending the lease or allowing British administration thereafter. Britain eventually agreed to transfer the entire colony to China upon the expiration of that lease in 1997 after obtaining guarantees to preserve its systems, freedoms, and way of life for at least 50 years.
Perhaps you should edit the wiki?
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Rinkals wrote: Perhaps you should edit the wiki?

Are you serious? Perhaps you should read a bit more widely.
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So it begins. Australia's extradition agreement with Hong Kong about to be suspended. Australians told not to travel to Hong Kong for risk of imprisonment.

China's Great Firewall also appears to cover Hong Kong now.
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Hong Kong wrote:All subversives will be round up and arbitrarily detained without recourse to remedy their unjust detention. And quite bloody right - we’ve had enough of these moments where useless wankers do nothing more than cause mayhem and destruction. Don’t like it? Fuckrightoff to somewhere that gives a flyingfuck what you think you are entitled to. We don’t want you in HK. Fuckoff! 🇬🇧 🇺🇸 and elsewhere in the world, please take these dippy fucktards of our hands. Thanks
Wow. Your lack of self awareness is quite honestly breathtaking. A page back I said that you were becoming a parody of yourself. That's what you have become; a parody. Except you're not. You're real and these are the seemingly bona fide views of a senior cop in HK. Fucking hell. Surprised you haven't applied for a job in Shenzhen before now. It must have been terrible to have to follow proper due process until the glorious day you got your new powers.

I don't think I'd be alone in saying that this is one of the more shocking and disappointing posts I've seen posted on PR in my 14 years on the bored.
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Masterji wrote:The Chinese are horrible bastards and I see the anti Chinese stuff is getting more and more common. But let's not pretend that the West is suddenly concerned with human rights. If the Chinese didn't threaten Western Interests, you wouldn't hear much in the media and HK wouldn't get byline in the newspaper.
This is true, but only to some extent.

Correspondingly, the Xinjiang issue and the concentration camps (let's call a spade a spade here) only became an issue people were aware of in a widespread way in the West after the trade war began and the US stopped playing ball and started piping up about it which they should have all along.

I went home with a Uighur bird from Xinjiang one night at the end of last year. During a bit of pillow talk the next morning I asked her, 'so.... the camps?'. She told me every single adult male member of her family was either in the camps or had been in them previously. She was pretty uncomfortable answering and I felt as awkward as you can imagine after so resisted the temptation to ask more questions. I don't know what was going through my head, but I don't really know any Uighurs and don't get the opportunity to talk to them about this to get a different perspective. It seemed like a good idea at the time.
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Hong Kong wrote:All subversives will be round up and arbitrarily detained without recourse to remedy their unjust detention. And quite bloody right - we’ve had enough of these moments where useless wankers do nothing more than cause mayhem and destruction. Don’t like it? Fuckrightoff to somewhere that gives a flyingfuck what you think you are entitled to. We don’t want you in HK. Fuckoff! 🇬🇧 🇺🇸 and elsewhere in the world, please take these dippy fucktards of our hands. Thanks
It's quite dispiriting to read this from a generally first class poster.
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Sensible Stephen wrote:
China's Great Firewall also appears to cover Hong Kong now.
Glorious! For the Motherland! We are all one family now! Fuck the cockroaches!

Hong Kong must be absolutely tugging himself inside out right now.
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naki111 wrote:
Sensible Stephen wrote:
China's Great Firewall also appears to cover Hong Kong now.
Glorious! For the Motherland! We are all one family now! Fuck the cockroaches!

Hong Kong must be absolutely tugging himself inside out right now.
Yep. As long as the "orange shitgibbon" doesn't go and ruin this new storm trooper paradise.
Some top advisers to President Donald Trump want the U.S. to undermine the Hong Kong dollar's peg to the U.S. dollar as the administration considers options to punish China for recent moves to chip away at the former British colony's political freedoms, according to people familiar with the matter.

The idea of striking against the Hong Kong dollar peg -- perhaps by limiting the ability of Hong Kong banks to buy U.S. dollars -- has been raised as part of broader discussions among advisers to Secretary of State Michael Pompeo and hasn't been elevated to the senior levels of the White House, suggesting that it hasn't gained serious traction yet, according to people who discussed the matter on condition of anonymity.

https://www.aljazeera.com/ajimpact/nucl ... 43641.html
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You see, this is why it’s a WOFT dealing with peeps who have no idea what is actually happening in HK. Do I and millions of others still have access to Facebook? Why blow me surprised! Yes we do.

Try again, you foolish children. And as for the orange shitgibbon trying to undermine the peg? Shows how little you muppets and the orange shitgibbon know about the peg.

Try again, again!
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Hong Kong wrote:All subversives will be round up and arbitrarily detained without recourse to remedy their unjust detention. And quite bloody right - we’ve had enough of these moments where useless wankers do nothing more than cause mayhem and destruction. Don’t like it? Fuckrightoff to somewhere that gives a flyingfuck what you think you are entitled to. We don’t want you in HK. Fuckoff! 🇬🇧 🇺🇸 and elsewhere in the world, please take these dippy fucktards of our hands. Thanks
Fantastic wumming.

At least that's what I hope it is.
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Hong Kong wrote:You see, this is why it’s a WOFT dealing with peeps who have no idea what is actually happening in HK. Do I and millions of others still have access to Facebook? Why blow me surprised! Yes we do.

Try again, you foolish children. And as for the orange shitgibbon trying to undermine the peg? Shows how little you muppets and the orange shitgibbon know about the peg.

Try again, again!

The Peg is a backdoor for Chinese devaluation against the USD of course.
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Hong Kong wrote:You see, this is why it’s a WOFT dealing with peeps who have no idea what is actually happening in HK. Do I and millions of others still have access to Facebook? Why blow me surprised! Yes we do.

Try again, you foolish children. And as for the orange shitgibbon trying to undermine the peg? Shows how little you muppets and the orange shitgibbon know about the peg.

Try again, again!
Reading not your strength either?

Christ. Keep up the good fight and tell those western governments to stay out of China's affairs. Trash.
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tbf, it must be quite difficult for him during this time of rising tension.

toe the line and continue enjoying the generous benefits of being plod in honkers, or dissent and risk his pension, etc.

i imagine he's being, erm...monitored.
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Ahh merry - still lying...don’t ever change fella
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2 minutes!

impressive. :nod:
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