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Just binged watched both series. Quite simply superb. Nothing on TV with that amount of tension and loads of great characters. :thumbup:
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Watched the first series which was off scale great. It also made me watch the original again for the umpteenth time.

Can't wait to watch the 2nd series
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Wow, I wasn't even aware a series had been made!

Looks like that's this evening sorted....
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The original, full length, deserves a shot as the best (anti) war "film" ever.

I enjoyed series I although some of it was highly improbable and it introduced some historical inaccuracy. Have recorded II to watch later.
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which one is the true original, 1981 film or 1985 mini-series ?
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Akkerman wrote:which one is the true original, 1981 film or 1985 mini-series ?
The film was first. The series shown in the UK was 6 part of approx 5 hours. There was then a director's cut of the film which was about 3 hrs.

May have mislead you: by original series I meant if contrast to these later 2 series.

What I liked about the series was how it captured the real part of U-Boat life: the long passages of boredom and confinement.
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Four and a half fun filled hours!
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Torquemada 1420 wrote:
Akkerman wrote:which one is the true original, 1981 film or 1985 mini-series ?
The film was first. The series shown in the UK was 6 part of approx 5 hours. There was then a director's cut of the film which was about 3 hrs.

May have mislead you: by original series I meant if contrast to these later 2 series.

What I liked about the series was how it captured the real part of U-Boat life: the long passages of boredom and confinement.
thanks, I remember watching the film, must have been the first cut, not director's
i'll see which of these i can find to watch as a precursor to the new series
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Akkerman wrote:
Torquemada 1420 wrote:
Akkerman wrote:which one is the true original, 1981 film or 1985 mini-series ?
The film was first. The series shown in the UK was 6 part of approx 5 hours. There was then a director's cut of the film which was about 3 hrs.

May have mislead you: by original series I meant if contrast to these later 2 series.

What I liked about the series was how it captured the real part of U-Boat life: the long passages of boredom and confinement.
thanks, I remember watching the film, must have been the first cut, not director's
i'll see which of these i can find to watch as a precursor to the new series
The Directors cut is the best version. The directors commentary is interesting as well.
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Series 2 of Das Re-Boot is on Sky now. I've watched the first 6 episodes. 2 left.
Parts of it are very dark but overall the tension is fantastic.
Looks like they'll be making another series or two of it. :thumbup:
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The film was laughable compared to the novel.
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usermame wrote:The film was laughable compared to the novel.
It was more interesting, for sure.

The chapter labelled 'storm' is the sort of thing that gives books a bad name.
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usermame wrote:The film was laughable compared to the novel.
Really not sure what you are trying to say here.
- that Buchheim's book is so good because it was better than the highly regarded film
- that you are simply being dismissive of the film
- or maybe that the film was (as is common in screen adaptations) a poor or inaccurate representation of the book
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I quite liked the slot machine version.....
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terryfinch wrote:Just binged watched both series. Quite simply superb. Nothing on TV with that amount of tension and loads of great characters. :thumbup:
It is excellent. Not a lot of happy outcomes though.
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On Which platform is it available?
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pigaaaa wrote:On Which platform is it available?
In the UK, it's on Sky
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BlackMac wrote:
terryfinch wrote:Just binged watched both series. Quite simply superb. Nothing on TV with that amount of tension and loads of great characters. :thumbup:
It is excellent. Not a lot of happy outcomes though.
TFFT. Kinda the whole idea of it being anti-war. Not your usual, American sh*te where the hero single-handedly defeats legions before coming home to Dorothy, Lassie and apple pie.
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Can't hold a candle to u571 and 47hours of Jon Bon Jovi hearing splashes...
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I prefered. Das Boobs.

Campy German Sex Farce....

Seaman Greta and Seaman Marleena

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmJoHeexejY
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moosehead wrote:I prefered. Das Boobs.

Campy German Sex Farce....

Seaman Greta and Seaman Marleena

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmJoHeexejY
Shame they couldn't get Senta Berger to guest star!



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I disappointed the series ignored our brave lads who risked life and limb to sell the lads diesel
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Torquemada 1420 wrote:
usermame wrote:The film was laughable compared to the novel.
Really not sure what you are trying to say here.
- that Buchheim's book is so good because it was better than the highly regarded film
- that you are simply being dismissive of the film
- or maybe that the film was (as is common in screen adaptations) a poor or inaccurate representation of the book
- or maybe that the film was (as is common in screen adaptations) a poor or inaccurate representation of the book
And boring clunky cinema as well, with its bath tub models that required levels of suspension of disbelief I was not able to achieve.
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Mullet 2 wrote:I disappointed the series ignored our brave lads who risked life and limb to sell the lads diesel

One of your lads made an appearance as a police chief in US, trying to help the Nazis by blowing up US naval bases. His rationale was “do anything to stop British and Russian empire building”.
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terryfinch wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:I disappointed the series ignored our brave lads who risked life and limb to sell the lads diesel
Spoiler: show
One of your lads made an appearance as a police chief in US, trying to help the Nazis by blowing up US naval bases. His rationale was “do anything to stop British and Russian empire building”.
Spoilers in case others haven't seen it yet.
Whatever about the Irish involvement, I'd like to read material as to whether there was an undercurrent of German support in the US early on in the war, particularly if there was a strong anti-communist sentiment at the time.
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usermame wrote:
Torquemada 1420 wrote:
usermame wrote:The film was laughable compared to the novel.
Really not sure what you are trying to say here.
- that Buchheim's book is so good because it was better than the highly regarded film
- that you are simply being dismissive of the film
- or maybe that the film was (as is common in screen adaptations) a poor or inaccurate representation of the book
- or maybe that the film was (as is common in screen adaptations) a poor or inaccurate representation of the book
And boring clunky cinema as well, with its bath tub models that required levels of suspension of disbelief I was not able to achieve.
Well, statistically, not everyone is ever going to agree when critiquing a film and that view would make you very much the outlier.

The interior filming using the hand held Arriflex has been widely (and rightly IMHO) regarded as a masterpiece of conveying the claustrophobic environment the sailors suffered.
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Torquemada 1420 wrote:
usermame wrote:
Torquemada 1420 wrote:
usermame wrote:The film was laughable compared to the novel.
Really not sure what you are trying to say here.
- that Buchheim's book is so good because it was better than the highly regarded film
- that you are simply being dismissive of the film
- or maybe that the film was (as is common in screen adaptations) a poor or inaccurate representation of the book
- or maybe that the film was (as is common in screen adaptations) a poor or inaccurate representation of the book
And boring clunky cinema as well, with its bath tub models that required levels of suspension of disbelief I was not able to achieve.
Well, statistically, not everyone is ever going to agree when critiquing a film and that view would make you very much the outlier.

The interior filming using the hand held Arriflex has been widely (and rightly IMHO) regarded as a masterpiece of conveying the claustrophobic environment the sailors suffered.
The camera had gyroscopes fitted which were so noisy that most of the interior scenes are dubbed.
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dinsdale wrote:The camera had gyroscopes fitted which were so noisy that most of the interior scenes are dubbed.
Kinda! The normal stabilised cameras could not be used: they were too big and although the tack accurate set could have the side removed,
I don't think it ever was. So they had to use the adapted Arriflex but it was not so much that the gyros were noisy per se but that the noise
was amplified and echoed because of the confines of the set.

It was what is was. The conditions and tech (and maybe budget) of the time demanded compromises and innovative solutions. The silent filming was one.

I don't see it as an obvious distraction not least because only uber-geeks of the film noticed or knew of this.
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Torquemada 1420 wrote:
dinsdale wrote:The camera had gyroscopes fitted which were so noisy that most of the interior scenes are dubbed.
Kinda! The normal stabilised cameras could not be used: they were too big and although the tack accurate set could have the side removed,
I don't think it ever was. So they had to use the adapted Arriflex but it was not so much that the gyros were noisy per se but that the noise
was amplified and echoed because of the confines of the set.

It was what is was. The conditions and tech (and maybe budget) of the time demanded compromises and innovative solutions. The silent filming was one.

I don't see it as an obvious distraction not least because only uber-geeks of the film noticed or knew of this.
I only found out from watching the directors commentary :) I think the interior scenes are among the best ever filmed. Also several scenes were re-dubbed for the directors cut as some of the actors had learnt to speak English by then.
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dinsdale wrote: I only found out from watching the directors commentary :) I think the interior scenes are among the best ever filmed. Also several scenes were re-dubbed for the directors cut as some of the actors had learnt to speak English by then.
Agree. Up there with 12 Angry Men. So good, that it strays into 1st rate docu-drama unintentionally.

Always try to avoid dub versions. It's not just the lipsync but the whole intonation thing is lost.

Funny. I get lost in the versions now so forget which bits are in which issue.
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Torquemada 1420 wrote:
dinsdale wrote: I only found out from watching the directors commentary :) I think the interior scenes are among the best ever filmed. Also several scenes were re-dubbed for the directors cut as some of the actors had learnt to speak English by then.
Agree. Up there with 12 Angry Men. So good, that it strays into 1st rate docu-drama unintentionally.

Always try to avoid dub versions. It's not just the lipsync but the whole intonation thing is lost.

Funny. I get lost in the versions now so forget which bits are in which issue.
I avoid dubbed versions, the point with Das Boot is that much of it is dubbed, even in German.
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dinsdale wrote:
Torquemada 1420 wrote:
dinsdale wrote: I only found out from watching the directors commentary :) I think the interior scenes are among the best ever filmed. Also several scenes were re-dubbed for the directors cut as some of the actors had learnt to speak English by then.
Agree. Up there with 12 Angry Men. So good, that it strays into 1st rate docu-drama unintentionally.

Always try to avoid dub versions. It's not just the lipsync but the whole intonation thing is lost.

Funny. I get lost in the versions now so forget which bits are in which issue.
I avoid dubbed versions, the point with Das Boot is that much of it is dubbed, even in German.
The upside being it's not glaringly obvious when the dub is the same language. Not speech ceasing whilst the lips are still moving; which is a serious
danger with a language like German.
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There are some truly horrible characters. A bit like Game of Thrones, you think someone can't be any worse and then they exceed your expectations. And then, these characters you hate are actually not that bad, compared to the even nastier bastards that come along!
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Forster's slow "what the fudge is happening" realisation is impressively played.
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Watched the original TV series with Doldingers famous theme. Incredible television and for me one of the finest depictions of modern warfare. In the end when they are killed back at base in St.Nazaire it made me feel rather hollow. Which shows the empathy developed for the characters.

Some of the exteriors work and models look dated but at the time it was and still is incredible drama. The Sinking Of The Laconia is also well worth watching. It led to Donitz ordering U-boat captains not to rescue survivors.
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Getting through the first season quickly (thanks COVID :smug: )
Spoiler: show
It is refreshing to see a WW2 series/movie not just of the storyline of macho American soldier shoots up Germans. Certainly the part where they manage to recompress the air to lift themselves is a very nice moment.
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Is Ehrenburg supposed to be the same Chief as the guy in the original series/film?

Edit: finished watching the current series. Grim doesn't go far enough to describe that last episode. Anyone who thinks GOT threw up shockers should watch this.
As a series though, it's developing really well. Favourite show on the TV at the moment.
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