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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53183085
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What the hell is the "theory"??!
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I think it's this one:
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-ente ... 83206.html

Specifically the quote:
Maxine Peake wrote:The tactics used by the police in America, kneeling on George Floyd’s neck, that was learnt from seminars with Israeli secret services.
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Could appear Starmer took full advantage there, but he did offer her the job in the first place.
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Supposedly, the Minnesota police were taught the "knee on neck" supression technique by Israeli Secret Services
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Saint wrote:Supposedly, the Minnesota police were taught the "knee on neck" supression technique by Israeli Secret Services
Craving MAGA?
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To explain a bit further:

It is true that some US police forces have attended seminars with the Israelis. From what I can tell by reading various articles, the numbers in question are small - around 250 people in total.

There is no evidence that the murderers attended these seminars.

There is no evidence that kneeling on the neck is a technique taught at these seminars, and some evidence to suggest it was simply a home-grown thing.

It's an ugly little conspiracy theory.
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lemonhead wrote:Could appear Starmer took full advantage there, but he did offer her the job in the first place.
It was a sop to the Corbyn crowd. Her days were numbered the moment she accepted the job.
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Well f*ck me...decent grownups are back in charge of the Labour party and the opposition.
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tc27 wrote:Well f*ck me...decent grownups are back in charge of the Labour party and the opposition.
A nice bit of decisive leadership
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Contrasts starkly with the buffoons non-existent response to Cummings & Jenrick
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She was dreadful. Good riddance.
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fishfoodie wrote:Contrasts starkly with the buffoons non-existent response to Cummings & Jenrick
Do you think? My assumption would be that Starmer never really wanted her in the shadow cabinet anyway, but felt that a) he needed to to show magnanimity to the Momentum crowd and b) he wouldn't have to put up with her for long and he'd benefit from brownie points by ditching her decisively when she inevitably screwed up.
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Will the Actress see questions and statements from her Union regarding this ?
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SaintK wrote:
tc27 wrote:Well f*ck me...decent grownups are back in charge of the Labour party and the opposition.
A nice bit of decisive leadership
Forensic from the millionaire
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Britain as a whole is better off with clowns like RLB off the front benches. Regardless of who you vote for, this is good.
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Mahoney wrote:
fishfoodie wrote:Contrasts starkly with the buffoons non-existent response to Cummings & Jenrick
Do you think? My assumption would be that Starmer never really wanted her in the shadow cabinet anyway, but felt that a) he needed to to show magnanimity to the Momentum crowd and b) he wouldn't have to put up with her for long and he'd benefit from brownie points by ditching her decisively when she inevitably screwed up.
By that logic; why would he rock the boat, & sack her ?
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lemonhead wrote:Could appear Starmer took full advantage there, but he did offer her the job in the first place.
or being rather shrewd, placate the Corbanazis momentarily, knowing full well that it wouldn't take her long to provide the ammo to shoot herself with.
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bimboman wrote:Will the Actress see questions and statements from her Union regarding this ?
I often wonder who reads political interviews from Z list celebrity actors and actresses. Who cares what they think?
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SaintK wrote:
tc27 wrote:Well f*ck me...decent grownups are back in charge of the Labour party and the opposition.
A nice bit of decisive leadership

Yep, he’s in for and up for a rumble it seems.
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New guy wrote:
bimboman wrote:Will the Actress see questions and statements from her Union regarding this ?
I often wonder who reads political interviews from Z list celebrity actors and actresses. Who cares what they think?

No one , however Fox faced dogs abuse.
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Mahoney wrote:
fishfoodie wrote:Contrasts starkly with the buffoons non-existent response to Cummings & Jenrick
Do you think? My assumption would be that Starmer never really wanted her in the shadow cabinet anyway, but felt that a) he needed to to show magnanimity to the Momentum crowd and b) he wouldn't have to put up with her for long and he'd benefit from brownie points by ditching her decisively when she inevitably screwed up.
It also very effectively draws a line under Labour's five-year long foray into anti-semitism.
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fishfoodie wrote:
Mahoney wrote:
fishfoodie wrote:Contrasts starkly with the buffoons non-existent response to Cummings & Jenrick
Do you think? My assumption would be that Starmer never really wanted her in the shadow cabinet anyway, but felt that a) he needed to to show magnanimity to the Momentum crowd and b) he wouldn't have to put up with her for long and he'd benefit from brownie points by ditching her decisively when she inevitably screwed up.
By that logic; why would he rock the boat, & sack her ?
Pretty sure my answer would just repeat my original post.
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Insane_Homer wrote:
lemonhead wrote:Could appear Starmer took full advantage there, but he did offer her the job in the first place.
or being rather shrewd, placate the Corbanazis momentarily, knowing full well that it wouldn't take her long to provide the ammo to shoot herself with.
This. Now he doesn't have to justify not having her in the shadow cabinet. This was a gift for him.
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Mahoney wrote:
fishfoodie wrote:
Mahoney wrote:
fishfoodie wrote:Contrasts starkly with the buffoons non-existent response to Cummings & Jenrick
Do you think? My assumption would be that Starmer never really wanted her in the shadow cabinet anyway, but felt that a) he needed to to show magnanimity to the Momentum crowd and b) he wouldn't have to put up with her for long and he'd benefit from brownie points by ditching her decisively when she inevitably screwed up.
By that logic; why would he rock the boat, & sack her ?
Pretty sure my answer would just repeat my original post.
Yep. Win, win as far as he’s concerned. But it does show that he’s very confident in his power base and won’t take any nonsense from the Corbyn brigade.
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Frodder wrote:
Insane_Homer wrote:
lemonhead wrote:Could appear Starmer took full advantage there, but he did offer her the job in the first place.
or being rather shrewd, placate the Corbanazis momentarily, knowing full well that it wouldn't take her long to provide the ammo to shoot herself with.
This. Now he doesn't have to justify not having her in the shadow cabinet. This was a gift for him.
Did take decisive action remarkably fast alright.

Is Labour on the verge of being not hopelessly shit again?
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McDonnell has of course defended both Peakes and RLB and claimed it's not anti-semitic to shoehorn in the baseless theory that the US cops were trained in kneeling on people's necks by the Israeli secret services when discussing George Floyd's murder.

Peakes also has form defending Livingstone's outbursts.

The Corbynites are very angry, of course, and the article talking about Israelis doing some training seminars for US police is being shared all over the place. Way to miss the point.
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JM2K6 wrote:McDonnell has of course defended both Peakes and RLB and claimed it's not anti-semitic to shoehorn in the baseless theory that the US cops were trained in kneeling on people's necks by the Israeli secret services when discussing George Floyd's murder.

Peakes also has form defending Livingstone's outbursts.

The Corbynites are very angry, of course, and the article talking about Israelis doing some training seminars for US police is being shared all over the place. Way to miss the point.
I Don’t think Starmer is that bothered by what they think.
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ovalball wrote:
JM2K6 wrote:McDonnell has of course defended both Peakes and RLB and claimed it's not anti-semitic to shoehorn in the baseless theory that the US cops were trained in kneeling on people's necks by the Israeli secret services when discussing George Floyd's murder.

Peakes also has form defending Livingstone's outbursts.

The Corbynites are very angry, of course, and the article talking about Israelis doing some training seminars for US police is being shared all over the place. Way to miss the point.
I Don’t think Starmer is that bothered by what they think.
Oh, totally agree. Just providing some popcorn for people who aren't on Twitter.
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ovalball wrote:
JM2K6 wrote:McDonnell has of course defended both Peakes and RLB and claimed it's not anti-semitic to shoehorn in the baseless theory that the US cops were trained in kneeling on people's necks by the Israeli secret services when discussing George Floyd's murder.

Peakes also has form defending Livingstone's outbursts.

The Corbynites are very angry, of course, and the article talking about Israelis doing some training seminars for US police is being shared all over the place. Way to miss the point.
I Don’t think Starmer is that bothered by what they think.
He shouldn't be as 2019 showed apart from the hardcore Corbynistas they're absolutely fudging hated by most
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I send the hand of Israel on Starmer's strings!

Seriously though, great to see Stamer make an effort to have the party be a serious one again.

The fringe loons and minority student union politics pricks need to be spurned.
They've had too much influence for too long.
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Great to see. :thumbup:

She was given the chance to take it down, but started dicking about talking about statements of clarification.

He's at a point where he can consolidate and RLB has given him the perfect opportunity to get rid of the Corbyn legacy on the front bench.
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JM2K6 wrote:To explain a bit further:

It is true that some US police forces have attended seminars with the Israelis. From what I can tell by reading various articles, the numbers in question are small - around 250 people in total.

There is no evidence that the murderers attended these seminars.

There is no evidence that kneeling on the neck is a technique taught at these seminars, and some evidence to suggest it was simply a home-grown thing.

It's an ugly little conspiracy theory.
But whats even the point of it?

Lets say, just for the sake of argument, that it did form some part of some training provided by some Israeli police training guys.

I mean is the point simply that she believes this is a smoking gun of some kind - "see everyone, I told you the Jews were nasty?" - and everyone is to fall in lock step to this line of thinking?!


I guess I just don't understand prejudice plum and should content myself with that ignorance.
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PornDog wrote:
JM2K6 wrote:To explain a bit further:

It is true that some US police forces have attended seminars with the Israelis. From what I can tell by reading various articles, the numbers in question are small - around 250 people in total.

There is no evidence that the murderers attended these seminars.

There is no evidence that kneeling on the neck is a technique taught at these seminars, and some evidence to suggest it was simply a home-grown thing.

It's an ugly little conspiracy theory.
But whats even the point of it?

Lets say, just for the sake of argument, that it did form some part of some training provided by some Israeli police training guys.

I mean is the point simply that she believes this is a smoking gun of some kind - "see everyone, I told you the Jews were nasty?" - and everyone is to fall in lock step to this line of thinking?!


I guess I just don't understand prejudice plum and should content myself with that ignorance.

Well, exactly. There's literally no reason to add in that detail - it's just made worse by being misleading at best. The only reason to throw that in is to make a statement about Israel out of the blue.
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Hopefully the Tories can sort out their anti-semitic, islamophobic, racist members too.



Oh right, they have control of the party don't they.
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iarmhiman wrote:She was dreadful. Good riddance.
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bimboman wrote:Will the Actress see questions and statements from her Union regarding this ?
Not being Laurence Fox, no.
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Mahoney wrote:
fishfoodie wrote:Contrasts starkly with the buffoons non-existent response to Cummings & Jenrick
Do you think? My assumption would be that Starmer never really wanted her in the shadow cabinet anyway, but felt that a) he needed to to show magnanimity to the Momentum crowd and b) he wouldn't have to put up with her for long and he'd benefit from brownie points by ditching her decisively when she inevitably screwed up.
Very probably.
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Starmer was struggling on schools, Covid and teaching unions. Perhaps RLB was his problem and this was a great excuse to eliminate her.
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