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This time it's real...apparently


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https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/%2Fsp ... caf911372f
All Blacks v Kangaroos: Secret talks for cross-code blockbuster
Peter Badel, The Courier-Mail
June 25, 2020 12:09pm


THE New Zealand All Blacks and Mal Meninga’s Australia Kangaroos are set to make sporting history by squaring off in a multi-million dollar, cross-code Christmas blockbuster this year.

News Corp Australia can reveal New Zealand Rugby and the National Rugby League are in top-secret negotiations to stage a hybrid, 14-a-side international in one of the most significant moments in the 150-year history of trans-Tasman sport.

The cross-code spectacular will be branded and marketed as ... HISTORY.

The concept has been kept secret for the past three months but it can today be revealed the NZR and NRL are locked in talks with promoters to pit All Blacks players against Kangaroos stars before Christmas this year.

The contest has been slated for Saturday, December 5 — three weeks after this year’s State of Origin series.

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After a decade of speculation around hybrid concepts between the Wallabies and Kangaroos that never took off, this is the real deal.

The NZR want the game to happen and are so supportive they discussed the Kangaroos blockbuster at a board meeting yesterday.

Kangaroos coach Mal Meninga has been in talks with ARL Commission chairman Peter V’landys, who has received a formal proposal and is dissecting the financials around the proposed Kangaroos-All Blacks concept.

Meninga today confirmed the proposed All Blacks-Kangaroos clash.

“We are in serious negotiations,” he said.


“This would take the Kangaroos to the world. There will be global recognition.

“We are still in talks but obviously news of this has got out.

“I’m keen to make this happen. We want to play the All Blacks, hopefully we can get the concept off the ground.

“The best from our game versus the best from the New Zealand game … let’s do it.”


The All Blacks are one of the most iconic brands in world sport, while the Kangaroos are the reigning World Cup holders in rugby league with a tradition that is 112 years old.

Now the trans-Tasman sporting powerhouses are ready to collide in one of the most compelling sporting contests of the past 50 years.

Venues are being discussed with Queensland’s Suncorp Stadium, Sydney’s ANZ Stadium, Perth’s Optus Stadium and South Australia’s Adelaide Oval among the leading options to host the cross-code spectacular.

Meninga has urged V’landys to give the game the green light.

Meninga is a huge supporter of the concept and last week consulted Australian players on whether they would be interested in playing a one-off Test against New Zealand.

What Kangaroos players weren’t aware of is that the proposed end-of-year Test is against the New Zealand … All Blacks.


The COVID-19 crisis has decimated the revenue streams of the NZR and the NRL, another reason why New Zealand Rugby powerbrokers are keen to play the Kangaroos considering the millions that would be generated.

The Tongan rugby league has offered Australia $250,000 to play a league game this year but Meninga is keen to take the Kangaroos to a global audience of more than one billion people by taking on the All Blacks.

V’landys received an initial offer on Monday with the ARL Commission expected to make a final decision in the next fortnight.

But if the NZR agree to sign on the dotted line, which appears a certainty, that will almost certainly convince V’landys to follow suit.
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FWIW, I think it's a terrible idea

As per one of the comments in there...the ABs have a lot to lose and little to gain
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Turn it up!

Dead set.
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So the NZRU and NRL are both desperate for cash.
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kiap wrote:Turn it up!

Dead set.

Should be easy for Mal's men

we all know union guys aren't fit and can't tackle

on the talking heads NRL show the other night, they devoted a fair bit of thoughtful analysis to postulating whether Ben Teo would be able to cut it in the Broncos, after being on the Union banana-lounger for 5 years
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Flyin Ryan wrote:So the NZRU and NRL are both desperate for cash.
NZRU - cash
NRL - TV audience + 'growing the game'
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shanky wrote:
kiap wrote:Turn it up!

Dead set.

Should be easy for Mal's men

we all know union guys aren't fit and can't tackle

on the talking heads NRL show the other night, they devoted a fair bit of thoughtful analysis to postulating whether Ben Teo would be able to cut it in the Broncos, after being on the Union banana-lounger for 5 years
Well, that'll do me...
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kiap wrote:
shanky wrote:
kiap wrote:Turn it up!

Dead set.

Should be easy for Mal's men

we all know union guys aren't fit and can't tackle

on the talking heads NRL show the other night, they devoted a fair bit of thoughtful analysis to postulating whether Ben Teo would be able to cut it in the Broncos, after being on the Union banana-lounger for 5 years
Well, that'll do me...
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10 million is 10 million.

I personally don't mind the idea as a one off event. I get the feeling it would look a lot more like league than rugby though which puts one side at a disadvantage straight away.

There are too many things you couldn't genuinely expect the Kangaroos to do. Lineouts, scrums, rucks, mauling.
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sonic_attack wrote:10 million is 10 million.

I personally don't mind the idea as a one off event. I get the feeling it would look a lot more like league than rugby though which puts one side at a disadvantage straight away.

There are too many things you couldn't genuinely expect the Kangaroos to do. Lineouts, scrums, rucks, mauling.
Well, quite. It'll be glorified league rules

ABs won't bother with set-piece forwards, they'll have 15 x sevens' specialists
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14... plus a 7 man bench, just for symmetry.
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6 or 7 years ago it would have been interesting.
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I'd only want the ABs to do it if the rules were equitable. Bob Dywer's hybrid rules were decent enough - League in one half of the pitch and sort of union in the other.
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The NZRU will sell their soul. They did it vs Ireland in Chicago and lost to them for the first time. They'll soon be the Harlem Globetrotters of rugby.
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Some of the comments at the bottom of that piece...

:lol:
Dont worry, the rules will be put in place to make sure the AB's aren't embarrassed, they are worth to much money. In simple player on player terms Rugby players cannot compete, not because they are inferior in any way but the fact their sport doesnt have the same athletic requirements as League. People all talk about how strong etc the AB's are, but after 10 mins at the pace NRL is played they will be a big bunch of Shannon Boyds.
There will be a heap of rules in place for restarts and mauls to slow the game down, it will be a big waste of time.
i'll wait to hear the "rules," will be, but somethings are better off being to left to the imagination only, this is one of those things.
besides, the league are trying to eliminate the wrestle whereas the union boys wrestle for 70% of their game & have it down to a fine art.
there was one game in the six nations where the commentator was in raptures over 26 phases.....which didn't gain one metre of territory...…...boring maximus.....yawn.
All Blacks too slow. It will be a training run for the Kangaroos. A cricket score.
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:lol: :lol:

Wow :lol:
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From the SMH article on the same subject, a slightly more sanguine comment from Craig Bellamy
Melbourne Storm coach Craig Bellamy said the match was one he would enjoy watching but wasn’t sure how the rules would work.

“Someone said they’d have rugby union rules for one half and rugby league for another half,” he said. “I wouldn’t like to be a rugby league player at the bottom of one of them mauls. That’d be an ugly place to be if you’re not used to it.”
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/nz-rug ... 5563r.html
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The Kangaroos would lose, it's not a great set of players atm.
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If you had lineouts the Kangaroos can't win. If you didn't have lineouts then it's nothing resembling rugby. What's the point.

Dumb concept.
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Still puzzled as to why the All Blacks get roped into it. You'd think a Kangaroos V Wallabies match up would make a better hybrid game and a bit more passionate knowing the bad blood between the codes in Australia.
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With South Africa pulling out of SANZAAAR NZ must be desperate for cash. So desperate. Prepared to risk injury to their star players for a nothing match and a few pieces of silver. So desperate.





















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It'd be interesting to see how they match up. Die hard rugby league fans have this super arrogant assumption that their players are the fittest and most talented humans on the planet and that no one can come close to them in terms of athletic prowess. Most of them haven't seen a game of rugby union for years. It could be quite a shock for the dear lambs.
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sonic_attack wrote:Still puzzled as to why the All Blacks get roped into it. You'd think a Kangaroos V Wallabies match up would make a better hybrid game and a bit more passionate knowing the bad blood between the codes in Australia.
There were, I think, two matches between the Strayan rep RL and RU teams around 1912 or thereabouts. The reason was the ARU was v. cash-strapped at the time...
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The All Blacks could pick a front row of 3 Liam Coltman 2 Cody Taylor 1 Dane Coles and still destroy the Kangaroos in the scrum and have a super mobile pack.

Save the real men (props) for the real games.
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I can see the rules already.

1. Please don't push in the scrums.
2. We don't want lineouts.
3. Please give us the ball back once we have tackled you 5 times.
4. No mauls
5. Or rucks
6. Ok you can have 5 points for a try
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If you picked a proper rugby tight-five for a game with no scrums or lineouts, and probably watered down ruck and maul laws, then it would be one way traffic.

It's no coincidence that most league converts end up in the centres/flanks/back-three. Thorn being the notable exception. SBW, Burgess, Te'o all forwards in league but backs in union. Different body types and fitness requirements, not a knock on either code, just a reality. You'd never see an Owen Franks or Tadgh Furlong in the NRL.

If you were going to give it a crack with everyone fit and available (without cheating and playing out of position), you'd probably pick a tight-five along the lines of:

1. Ta'avao
2. Coles
3. Tu'ungafasi
4. Fifita
5. Retallick

Retallick's height probably not as much of an advantage in league, but he has the skills & motor to succeed anywhere.
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Flyin Ryan wrote:So the NZRU and NRL are both desperate for cash.
Indeed. COVID-19 has impacted both NZR and the NRL's financial position. Unlike the wealthy NH unions, neither organisation can afford an indefinite lock-down of their sport.
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This would take the Kangaroos to the world. There will be global recognition.
Pity NZRU isn't interested in promoting its own game instead. They have nothing to gain from this and giving league another step up at the expense of our game.
These games have been a shitshow in the past.
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shanky wrote:FWIW, I think it's a terrible idea

As per one of the comments in there...the ABs have a lot to lose and little to gain
Agree fvcking stupid idea and i am not interested in watching even though I watch both codes. Fvckwits :thumbdown: :yawn:
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grievous wrote:
This would take the Kangaroos to the world. There will be global recognition.
Pity NZRU isn't interested in promoting its own game instead. They have nothing to gain from this and giving league another step up at the expense of our game.
These games have been a shitshow in the past.
:lol: :lol:

You’re amazing. I think it’s a stupid idea but when it comes to marketing, stunts don’t get much better than this. Focus on marketing their own game :lol: :lol:
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Safety Safety. The Roos will smash em
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It could be like when Wigan played Sale. 40mins of League and then swap to Union at half-time.

Sale won the game
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guy smiley wrote:
grievous wrote:
This would take the Kangaroos to the world. There will be global recognition.
Pity NZRU isn't interested in promoting its own game instead. They have nothing to gain from this and giving league another step up at the expense of our game.
These games have been a shitshow in the past.
:lol: :lol:

You’re amazing. I think it’s a stupid idea but when it comes to marketing, stunts don’t get much better than this. Focus on marketing their own game :lol: :lol:
Ive just watched the news and seen a few clips on it. All from the league angle which it is. If you think you think this is a great opp for NZ rugby you're thick. Sure a few greasy dollars but NRL will hog the whole thing. You wont know what hit you.
But Kiwis love league so it will be a hit there as if the brand needed to be grown more locally.
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les@mooloolaba wrote:
shanky wrote:FWIW, I think it's a terrible idea

As per one of the comments in there...the ABs have a lot to lose and little to gain
Agree fvcking stupid idea and i am not interested in watching even though I watch both codes. Fvckwits :thumbdown: :yawn:
See the thing is, you and I, who already watch both codes, aren't the target audience. It's the people who only watch one code. Both NZR and the NRL hope to increase their brand awareness and profile by playing against each other, and appealing to fans of the opposing code. Even if it's just enough that they might sit down in the future and watch a test match of a code they wouldn't have watched previously.

As a marketing exercise I think it's a brilliant idea.

Grievous, will RA have organised for the Wallabies to have played the All Blacks by the time this match is being played, or is your probationary CEO still re-hiring sacked staff and learning the passwords to use the photocopier?
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Frodder wrote:It could be like when Wigan played Sale. 40mins of League and then swap to Union at half-time.

Sale won the game
Wash your mouth out with soap. Wigan played Barf and smashed em. Sale played St Helens and pipped em. Four future international rugby union coaches playing for Wigan that day :lol:

Rugby League

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5jEZCiJsz8

Rugby union

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Dzv0CclzKE
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Frodder wrote:It could be like when Wigan played Sale. 40mins of League and then swap to Union at half-time.

Sale won the game
Wigan played Bath in two separate games, one league, one union. Wigan smashed them at league, but did reasonably well in losing a slightly watered-down union game. I remember a couple of cracking Wigan tries.
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grievous wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
grievous wrote:
This would take the Kangaroos to the world. There will be global recognition.
Pity NZRU isn't interested in promoting its own game instead. They have nothing to gain from this and giving league another step up at the expense of our game.
These games have been a shitshow in the past.
:lol: :lol:

You’re amazing. I think it’s a stupid idea but when it comes to marketing, stunts don’t get much better than this. Focus on marketing their own game :lol: :lol:
Ive just watched the news and seen a few clips on it. All from the league angle which it is. If you think you think this is a great opp for NZ rugby you're thick. Sure a few greasy dollars but NRL will hog the whole thing. You wont know what hit you.
But Kiwis love league so it will be a hit there as if the brand needed to be grown more locally.
Reading your posts is like reading an on the spot account of an anal assault from the ringpiece’s perspective. Every pixel squeals butthurt.
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shanky wrote:FWIW, I think it's a terrible idea

As per one of the comments in there...the ABs have a lot to lose and little to gain
+1
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Anonymous. wrote:
Frodder wrote:It could be like when Wigan played Sale. 40mins of League and then swap to Union at half-time.

Sale won the game
Wash your mouth out with soap. Wigan played Barf and smashed em. Sale played St Helens and pipped em. Three future international rugby union coaches playing for Wigan that day :lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5jEZCiJsz8
Just recently watched the Wigan Bath games again. :thumbup:

Amazing to see how much RU has advanced. Bath had little idea how to handle the running lines and fast phase play of Wigan.

TBF to Bath once they took stock at half time and simplified their game they actually looked half decent at the league game.
Also Wigan had a few truely world class league players, pretty debateable if Bath had one RU player, though Catt and de Glanville were pretty good (de Glanville's defence was surprisingly good).

While Wigan posted a huge score against Bath......they had pretty much done the same to a league side a couple of weeks before.
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guy smiley wrote:
grievous wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
grievous wrote:
This would take the Kangaroos to the world. There will be global recognition.
Pity NZRU isn't interested in promoting its own game instead. They have nothing to gain from this and giving league another step up at the expense of our game.
These games have been a shitshow in the past.
:lol: :lol:

You’re amazing. I think it’s a stupid idea but when it comes to marketing, stunts don’t get much better than this. Focus on marketing their own game :lol: :lol:
Ive just watched the news and seen a few clips on it. All from the league angle which it is. If you think you think this is a great opp for NZ rugby you're thick. Sure a few greasy dollars but NRL will hog the whole thing. You wont know what hit you.
But Kiwis love league so it will be a hit there as if the brand needed to be grown more locally.
Reading your posts is like reading an on the spot account of an anal assault from the ringpiece’s perspective. Every pixel squeals butthurt.
You and AC love the butt talk, that's true. Im actually standing up for rugby here but fvck it, I hope you play it and get rolled, it would be hilarious in here, plenty of butt talk that you could participate in. :lol:
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