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Slim 293 wrote:The rumoured numbers for the last 24 hours are not good...

I know that the government have begun working on stage 4 contingencies, but hopefully we won't need to go down that path.
Your right, 288 new cases in the last 24 hours
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JPNZ wrote:
Slim 293 wrote:The rumoured numbers for the last 24 hours are not good...

I know that the government have begun working on stage 4 contingencies, but hopefully we won't need to go down that path.
Your right, 288 new cases in the last 24 hours
Probably only going to get worse. I mean theres probably a 2 week lag before lockdown has any effect on the numbers.
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I dont know how NSW is doing better than Victoria. Sydneysiders flouted the rules more thsn Melbournenians.
I reckon Peter Vlandys is running the NSW Covid testing program.
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CrazyIslander wrote:I dont know how NSW is doing better than Victoria. Sydneysiders flouted the rules more thsn Melbournenians.
I reckon Peter Vlandys is running the NSW Covid testing program.
It's colder in Melbourne?
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Muttonbirds wrote:
CrazyIslander wrote:I dont know how NSW is doing better than Victoria. Sydneysiders flouted the rules more thsn Melbournenians.
I reckon Peter Vlandys is running the NSW Covid testing program.
It's colder in Melbourne?
Pete Evans, is that you?

A super spreader idiot did most of the damage.
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CrazyIslander wrote:I dont know how NSW is doing better than Victoria. Sydneysiders flouted the rules more thsn Melbournenians.
I reckon Peter Vlandys is running the NSW Covid testing program.
Oh the 'nothing to see here' approach. BTW dont go down to Double Bay, lined up 1000 deep to get into a pub.
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CrazyIslander wrote:I dont know how NSW is doing better than Victoria. Sydneysiders flouted the rules more thsn Melbournenians.
I reckon Peter Vlandys is running the NSW Covid testing program.

Flout the rules with no infected spreader/carrier and you still can't spread the disease. It's a case of luck if one is involved, the rules for the most part are applied to everybody because you don't know when an infected spreader is potentially with you.
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CrazyIslander wrote:I dont know how NSW is doing better than Victoria. Sydneysiders flouted the rules more thsn Melbournenians.
I reckon Peter Vlandys is running the NSW Covid testing program.
Surely it’s only a matter of days until NSW flares up as well?
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JPNZ wrote:
CrazyIslander wrote:I dont know how NSW is doing better than Victoria. Sydneysiders flouted the rules more thsn Melbournenians.
I reckon Peter Vlandys is running the NSW Covid testing program.
Surely it’s only a matter of days until NSW flares up as well?
Does NSW treat international travellers/returnees differently to Vic, especially how they are processed, tested and the strictness of their isolation?
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Ted. wrote:
JPNZ wrote:
CrazyIslander wrote:I dont know how NSW is doing better than Victoria. Sydneysiders flouted the rules more thsn Melbournenians.
I reckon Peter Vlandys is running the NSW Covid testing program.
Surely it’s only a matter of days until NSW flares up as well?
Does NSW treat international travellers/returnees differently to Vic, especially how they are processed, tested and the strictness of their isolation?
Must have coz it was a disaster for Melbourne. Although I reckon theres more community transmission undetected.
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CrazyIslander wrote:Although I reckon theres more community transmission undetected.
There will be some undetected community transmission cases, ... but:
  • (a) Are there higher undetected rates outside Victoria than inside Victoria?... and/or

    (b) Are there higher undetected rates now (in July) than 3-4 months ago?
I suspect the answer to both questions is no.

At the previous peak in March there were more cases detected Australia-wide then than now, using only a fraction of the tests currently being rolled out.

There is still lots of testing in NSW but there's just not the same rate of positive results right now coming in compared to Vic.

(so far)

But hopefully that stuff up with quarantine security is behind us, both in Mexico and elsewhere...
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I piss myself at the simplistic games being played.

Sure, the outer north and west of Melbourne haven't covered themselves in glory.

But if you are trying to tell me vast swathes of bogans in NSW and QLD haven't flouted the rules and aren't about to pay the second wave price through anything but dumb (and I mean really dumb) luck I will tell you to go fudge yourself.
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jdogscoop wrote:if you are trying to tell me vast swathes of bogans in NSW and QLD haven't flouted the rules and are about to pay the second wave price I will tell you to go fudge yourself.
Firstly, suburban bogans "flouting rules" is not the only factor (nor a necessary condition) in an outbreak.

Secondly, even smarter people than you don't know if, when, and where subsequent outbreaks will be found.
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kiap wrote:
jdogscoop wrote:if you are trying to tell me vast swathes of bogans in NSW and QLD haven't flouted the rules and are about to pay the second wave price I will tell you to go fudge yourself.
Firstly, suburban bogans "flouting rules" is not the only factor (nor a necessary condition) in an outbreak.

Secondly, even smarter people than you don't know if, when, and where subsequent outbreaks will be found.
….sounds like we're in furious agreement.
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jdogscoop wrote:I piss myself at the simplistic games being played.

Sure, the outer north and west of Melbourne haven't covered themselves in glory.

But if you are trying to tell me vast swathes of bogans in NSW and QLD haven't flouted the rules and aren't about to pay the second wave price through anything but dumb (and I mean really dumb) luck I will tell you to go fudge yourself.
I reckon Ramadam was a big reason for the previous outbreak which I dont believe was contained meaning those suburbs have vast numbers of undetected cases that will be called "outbreaks" when they accept testing.

IMO a similar scenario is happening but undetected in Sydney. IMO certain powerbrokers Govt,NRL,RSLs,Star Casino etc had an objective to reopen and made sure test results supported that.
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CrazyIslander wrote:I reckon Ramadam was a big reason for the previous outbreak which I dont believe was contained meaning those suburbs have vast numbers of undetected cases that will be called "outbreaks" when they accept testing.
Too hard for it to remain hidden that long. Ramadan finished like 6 weeks ago. This thing spreads exponentially and suburb borders ain't borders.
CrazyIslander wrote:IMO a similar scenario is happening but undetected in Sydney. IMO certain powerbrokers Govt,NRL,RSLs,Star Casino etc had an objective to reopen and made sure test results supported that.
I like reading conspiracy stories as much as the next man, but you're crazy.
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Ted. wrote:
JPNZ wrote:
CrazyIslander wrote:I dont know how NSW is doing better than Victoria. Sydneysiders flouted the rules more thsn Melbournenians.
I reckon Peter Vlandys is running the NSW Covid testing program.
Surely it’s only a matter of days until NSW flares up as well?
Does NSW treat international travellers/returnees differently to Vic, especially how they are processed, tested and the strictness of their isolation?
My understanding was that NSW used cops for security of hotels under quarantine, whilst Victoria used part time bouncers from shopping malls and nightclubs.
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jdogscoop wrote:
kiap wrote:
jdogscoop wrote:if you are trying to tell me vast swathes of bogans in NSW and QLD haven't flouted the rules and are about to pay the second wave price I will tell you to go fudge yourself.
Firstly, suburban bogans "flouting rules" is not the only factor (nor a necessary condition) in an outbreak.

Secondly, even smarter people than you don't know if, when, and where subsequent outbreaks will be found.
….sounds like we're in furious agreement.
I doubt that, Nostrildamus.
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towny wrote:
Ted. wrote:
JPNZ wrote:
CrazyIslander wrote:I dont know how NSW is doing better than Victoria. Sydneysiders flouted the rules more thsn Melbournenians.
I reckon Peter Vlandys is running the NSW Covid testing program.
Surely it’s only a matter of days until NSW flares up as well?
Does NSW treat international travellers/returnees differently to Vic, especially how they are processed, tested and the strictness of their isolation?
My understanding was that NSW used cops for security of hotels under quarantine, whilst Victoria used part time bouncers from shopping malls and nightclubs.
:lol:
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CrazyIslander wrote:
kiap wrote:
CrazyIslander wrote:IMO a similar scenario is happening but undetected in Sydney. IMO certain powerbrokers Govt,NRL,RSLs,Star Casino etc had an objective to reopen and made sure test results supported that.
I like reading conspiracy stories as much as the next man, but you're crazy.
NSW easing of restrictions was really quick considering we were leaders in infections until the Melbourne outbreaks. When Peter Vlandys set the date for the NRL there was no going back from there for the entire NSW economy. Test figures had to support it.
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216 new cases... and another man in his 90's has passed away.

And for EllaFan - Andrews is sporting no tie, and a North Face jacket.
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towny wrote:
Ted. wrote:
JPNZ wrote:
CrazyIslander wrote:I dont know how NSW is doing better than Victoria. Sydneysiders flouted the rules more thsn Melbournenians.
I reckon Peter Vlandys is running the NSW Covid testing program.
Surely it’s only a matter of days until NSW flares up as well?
Does NSW treat international travellers/returnees differently to Vic, especially how they are processed, tested and the strictness of their isolation?
My understanding was that NSW used cops for security of hotels under quarantine, whilst Victoria used part time bouncers from shopping malls and nightclubs.

I'm pretty sure they contracted the same security firm that my work uses for one of the hotels... no surprise with that outcome. :uhoh:
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Slim 293 wrote:216 new cases... and another man in his 90's has passed away.

And for EllaFan - Andrews is sporting no tie, and a North Face jacket.
At least he's had a haircut.
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Ellafan wrote:
Slim 293 wrote:216 new cases... and another man in his 90's has passed away.

And for EllaFan - Andrews is sporting no tie, and a North Face jacket.
At least he's had a haircut.
So he's back in the wank-bank?
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Ali's Choice wrote:
Ellafan wrote:
Slim 293 wrote:216 new cases... and another man in his 90's has passed away.

And for EllaFan - Andrews is sporting no tie, and a North Face jacket.
At least he's had a haircut.
So he's back in the wank-bank?
We don't all share your homo-erotic tastes, but you go for your life.
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Slim 293 wrote:216 new cases... and another man in his 90's has passed away.

And for EllaFan - Andrews is sporting no tie, and a North Face jacket.
Given how comprehensively Vic has stuffed up Covid-19 containment, Andrews should be wearing a dunce's cap at all public appearances for the forseeable future. :x
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MungoMan wrote:
Slim 293 wrote:216 new cases... and another man in his 90's has passed away.

And for EllaFan - Andrews is sporting no tie, and a North Face jacket.
Given how comprehensively Vic has stuffed up Covid-19 containment, Andrews should be wearing a dunce's cap at all public appearances for the forseeable future. :x
:? 216 new cases and 1 death in the last 24 hours. In contrast the USA had 67,000 new cases and nearly 1000 deaths overnight.
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MungoMan wrote:
Slim 293 wrote:216 new cases... and another man in his 90's has passed away.

And for EllaFan - Andrews is sporting no tie, and a North Face jacket.
Given how comprehensively Vic has stuffed up Covid-19 containment, Andrews should be wearing a dunce's cap at all public appearances for the forseeable future. :x

The Vic govt will have to take responsible for the hotel security contracts, but otherwise I don't see how Andrews takes the blame for the outbreak?
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277 new cases today in Victoria and 13 in NSW.

27 Victorians in ICU
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Slim 293 wrote:
MungoMan wrote:
Slim 293 wrote:216 new cases... and another man in his 90's has passed away.

And for EllaFan - Andrews is sporting no tie, and a North Face jacket.
Given how comprehensively Vic has stuffed up Covid-19 containment, Andrews should be wearing a dunce's cap at all public appearances for the forseeable future. :x

The Vic govt will have to take responsible for the hotel security contracts, but otherwise I don't see how Andrews takes the blame for the outbreak?
First Minister (i.e. Premier) of the state government that considered it a good move to use private security in a critical role, which was proven to be a v. shit idea. That is sufficient reason.
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MungoMan wrote:
Slim 293 wrote:
MungoMan wrote:
Slim 293 wrote:216 new cases... and another man in his 90's has passed away.

And for EllaFan - Andrews is sporting no tie, and a North Face jacket.
Given how comprehensively Vic has stuffed up Covid-19 containment, Andrews should be wearing a dunce's cap at all public appearances for the forseeable future. :x

The Vic govt will have to take responsible for the hotel security contracts, but otherwise I don't see how Andrews takes the blame for the outbreak?
First Minister (i.e. Premier) of the state government that considered it a good move to use private security in a critical role, which was proven to be a v. shit idea. That is sufficient reason.
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Slim 293 wrote:
MungoMan wrote:
Slim 293 wrote:
MungoMan wrote:
Slim 293 wrote:216 new cases... and another man in his 90's has passed away.

And for EllaFan - Andrews is sporting no tie, and a North Face jacket.
Given how comprehensively Vic has stuffed up Covid-19 containment, Andrews should be wearing a dunce's cap at all public appearances for the forseeable future. :x

The Vic govt will have to take responsible for the hotel security contracts, but otherwise I don't see how Andrews takes the blame for the outbreak?
First Minister (i.e. Premier) of the state government that considered it a good move to use private security in a critical role, which was proven to be a v. shit idea. That is sufficient reason.
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That one incident is not responsible for the entire city's outbreak though, is it?
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Slim 293 wrote:That one incident is not responsible for the entire city's outbreak though, is it?

This outbreak is likely due to several 'incidents', including the fact that this virus has quietly been spreading asymptomatically through the population even through the first 'lockdown'. The hotels, the marches, the schools going back earlier than they should have etc have all contributed.

It is being picked up now because of significantly more testing (2nd most tests per million of population globally as I understand). This is a good thing. More detected cases means more quarantine of those that are sick, which dramatically impacts on the spread. We missed a trick a while back by not ramping up our testing regime to include milder cases. We are catching up now.
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Clogs wrote:
Slim 293 wrote:That one incident is not responsible for the entire city's outbreak though, is it?

This outbreak is likely due to several 'incidents', including the fact that this virus has quietly been spreading asymptomatically through the population even through the first 'lockdown'. The hotels, the marches, the schools going back earlier than they should have etc have all contributed.

It is being picked up now because of significantly more testing (2nd most tests per million of population globally as I understand). This is a good thing. More detected cases means more quarantine of those that are sick, which dramatically impacts on the spread. We missed a trick a while back by not ramping up our testing regime to include milder cases. We are catching up now.
When reading Clogs's posts on COVID-19 people just need to keep in mind that he has consistently opposed any form of lock-down or restriction, because of the economic impact, and he has passionately advocated for a herd immunity approach to managing this virus.
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I posted this on NPR but it belongs here too.

Three days ago I received this mail from my brother.

It has suddenly struck a lot closer to home that I thought it would. My older brother, living in Melbourne, was tested prior to returning to school and came back positive. He is in self-isolation in his home, restricted to three rooms, while his wife and daughter also are in isolation as they are tested. My brother visited a doctor 13 days ago for a small procedure not related to covid 19, naturally he was wearing a mask and keeping his distance from other people in the waiting room but it seems that is the only place he could have contracted it. Apparently 2 days after he visited, they were in the paper for having a case- their cluster is now up to 11 staff.
He is 69 so right in the middle of the high-risk group. Apparently he has no symptoms even now and there is no pain.

Sequel: Yesterday evening he let me know that his wife and daughter's tests came back negative and he is through the 14-day period with no symptoms at all. He is having another test today.
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MungoMan wrote: First Minister (i.e. Premier) of the state government that considered it a good move to use private security in a critical role, which was proven to be a v. shit idea. That is sufficient reason.
Yeah, Nah.

I think QLD has just been very lucky due to the large area - don't forget Victoria is the most population dense state.
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Kiwias wrote:I posted this on NPR but it belongs here too.

Three days ago I received this mail from my brother.

It has suddenly struck a lot closer to home that I thought it would. My older brother, living in Melbourne, was tested prior to returning to school and came back positive. He is in self-isolation in his home, restricted to three rooms, while his wife and daughter also are in isolation as they are tested. My brother visited a doctor 13 days ago for a small procedure not related to covid 19, naturally he was wearing a mask and keeping his distance from other people in the waiting room but it seems that is the only place he could have contracted it. Apparently 2 days after he visited, they were in the paper for having a case- their cluster is now up to 11 staff.
He is 69 so right in the middle of the high-risk group. Apparently he has no symptoms even now and there is no pain.

Sequel: Yesterday evening he let me know that his wife and daughter's tests came back negative and he is through the 14-day period with no symptoms at all. He is having another test today.
Good to hear. 👍

I'm on the outskirts of Melbourne... east surburbs, all ok here and everyone seem's to be following the social distancing rules.
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Ali's Choice wrote:
Clogs wrote:
Slim 293 wrote:That one incident is not responsible for the entire city's outbreak though, is it?

This outbreak is likely due to several 'incidents', including the fact that this virus has quietly been spreading asymptomatically through the population even through the first 'lockdown'. The hotels, the marches, the schools going back earlier than they should have etc have all contributed.

It is being picked up now because of significantly more testing (2nd most tests per million of population globally as I understand). This is a good thing. More detected cases means more quarantine of those that are sick, which dramatically impacts on the spread. We missed a trick a while back by not ramping up our testing regime to include milder cases. We are catching up now.
When reading Clogs's posts on COVID-19 people just need to keep in mind that he has consistently opposed any form of lock-down or restriction, because of the economic impact, and he has passionately advocated for a herd immunity approach to managing this virus.
And people reading your posts just need to keep in mind that you consistently post homo-erotic stuff/metaphors, including stuff set in the violent sexual environment of prisons and transgressing into sadomasochistic imagery.

The board has only a few days left - would you like to come clean?
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