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The wagons are being circled, Jdog, with the usual denial of accountability.
[Paterson] described the man running among traffic, kicking a police car and hopping on its bonnet before being hit by the vehicle and tackled to the ground.

"We've got a man that's shown quite excessive violence at the hospital, smashed two large glass doors, taken them off their hinges and exited the hospital," Mr Paterson said.

"The police up there describe a situation where they thought this man will carjack a vehicle."

He added Mr Atkins was likely to be charged.

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The bullshit is piling up so high here, you need wings to stay over it.
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Ellafan wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:52 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:40 am Only that we can see the rather obvious damage to the police car
Are you familiar with what happens if you kick a (MOVING) vehicle - as opposed to that vision which looks like vehicle collision damage?

You might want to credit experience on this one anon.
For at least the third time and maybe the fourth time but most defiantly the last time I am telling you that I am not saying I believe the police version of events. As for experience of crash damage I have plenty but I don't know if he did or didn't do the damage to the police car. It should all come out and it's pretty much irrelevant anyway.
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Anonymous 1 wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:09 pm
Ellafan wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:52 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:40 am Only that we can see the rather obvious damage to the police car
Are you familiar with what happens if you kick a (MOVING) vehicle - as opposed to that vision which looks like vehicle collision damage?

You might want to credit experience on this one anon.
For at least the third time and maybe the fourth time but most defiantly the last time I am telling you that I am not saying I believe the police version of events. As for experience of crash damage I have plenty but I don't know if he did or didn't do the damage to the police car. It should all come out and it's pretty much irrelevant anyway.
Just making sure you were agreeing to lock yourself in.
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Amazing times. The people who usually defend police misconduct through thick and thin (Murdoch media for instance) have now gone all anti. Wonder why?
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rett wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:51 pm Amazing times. The people who usually defend police misconduct through thick and thin (Murdoch media for instance) have now gone all anti. Wonder why?
Dumb post. It has generally been the private media who have brought the authoritarian chekas of the socialist state into focus and terminated their excesses.

Before you respond, please let me know if we are starting with the Leninist or Stalinist terrors which killed millions of innocents?
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Ellafan wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:30 pm
rett wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:51 pm Amazing times. The people who usually defend police misconduct through thick and thin (Murdoch media for instance) have now gone all anti. Wonder why?
Dumb post. It has generally been the private media who have brought the authoritarian chekas of the socialist state into focus and terminated their excesses.

Before you respond, please let me know if we are starting with the Leninist or Stalinist terrors which killed millions of innocents?
You’re a smart guy. You must know you’re argument is weak tea. This left/right stuff.... is that all you’ve got?

You’re talking like Murdoch has his hand up your arse. Is that a coincidence or do you think maybe you’re being influenced by dudes that see you are a useful idiot?
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towny wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:49 pm
Ellafan wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:30 pm
rett wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:51 pm Amazing times. The people who usually defend police misconduct through thick and thin (Murdoch media for instance) have now gone all anti. Wonder why?
Dumb post. It has generally been the private media who have brought the authoritarian chekas of the socialist state into focus and terminated their excesses.

Before you respond, please let me know if we are starting with the Leninist or Stalinist terrors which killed millions of innocents?
You’re a smart guy. You must know you’re argument is weak tea. This left/right stuff.... is that all you’ve got?

You’re talking like Murdoch has his hand up your arse. Is that a coincidence or do you think maybe you’re being influenced by dudes that see you are a useful idiot?
The private media plays, and has historically played, an important role as an agent of criminal justice reform and a mechanism for demanding police accountability. Political editorial policy notwithstanding, deviant, or repressive, police behaviour is newsworthy, especially among professional journalists who take seriously their fourth estate role. Authoritarian regimes routinely repress such fourth estate activity, as their 'secret police' are part of their social control mechanisms.

Rett was fairly transparently suggesting one group of private media outlets are only castigating the police in this latest incident as a consequence of political editorial policy. I think that is a silly thing to say.

Further reading: https://ro.uow.edu.au/ltc/vol2/iss1/2

Incidentally, if you read that paper you will see that the Deputy Commissioner doing the talking is currently engaged in the process quoted below. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Organisations whose deviance is being exposed are capable of, and are routinely engaged in, shaping and developing this public discourse to minimise damage to the organisational image, as well as to project a sense of order and control by reporting on remedial actions being undertaken to rectify the problem.
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Ellafan wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:30 pm
rett wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:51 pm Amazing times. The people who usually defend police misconduct through thick and thin (Murdoch media for instance) have now gone all anti. Wonder why?
Dumb post. It has generally been the private media who have brought the authoritarian chekas of the socialist state into focus and terminated their excesses.

Before you respond, please let me know if we are starting with the Leninist or Stalinist terrors which killed millions of innocents?
Seriously WTF is this word salad doing here?

You’re ruining the Ellas for me.
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Rett is a fellow traveller. I'd vouchsafe he understands my response.
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Saw a claim that Melbourne has now been locked down longer than Wuhan was. Is that true? Must be really bad there.
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Santa wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 4:01 pm Saw a claim that Melbourne has now been locked down longer than Wuhan was. Is that true? Must be really bad there.
And moving to pre-emptive detention now too.
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Santa wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 4:01 pm Saw a claim that Melbourne has now been locked down longer than Wuhan was. Is that true? Must be really bad there.
Wuhan was locked down. Melbourne just has a few restrictions placed on movement. Comparatively speaking
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Enzedder wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:59 pm
Santa wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 4:01 pm Saw a claim that Melbourne has now been locked down longer than Wuhan was. Is that true? Must be really bad there.
Wuhan was locked down. Melbourne just has a few restrictions placed on movement. Comparatively speaking
It keeps being called a lockdown although as you suggest it is not the most locked-down lockdown ever. Still, the question is has it gone on longer than the Wuhan one?
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Enzedder wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:59 pm
Santa wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 4:01 pm Saw a claim that Melbourne has now been locked down longer than Wuhan was. Is that true? Must be really bad there.
Wuhan was locked down. Melbourne just has a few restrictions placed on movement. Comparatively speaking
Yes. We have been allowed out of our homes for one hour a day...
Nothing too onerous...
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Two hours you lazy bugger
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kiwigreg369 wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 12:55 am Two hours you lazy bugger
Fvck that. I am a free citizen. I refuse to be dictated to. 1 hour. That's more than enough for me!!
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The lunatic nutjobs* are about to get their jollies on. If I have to stay in lockdown for one day longer because of their actions. Well. I will be very angry. I will probably tear through at least two pages on this thread! They have been warned!






*protestors and anti vaxxers.
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Ellafan wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:30 pm
rett wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:51 pm Amazing times. The people who usually defend police misconduct through thick and thin (Murdoch media for instance) have now gone all anti. Wonder why?
Dumb post. It has generally been the private media who have brought the authoritarian chekas of the socialist state into focus and terminated their excesses.

Before you respond, please let me know if we are starting with the Leninist or Stalinist terrors which killed millions of innocents?
Lenin and Stalin? So the Murdoch (sorry-private media) press who often refer to Andrews as Comrade Dan, and Victoria as Victoriastan, are bastions of liberty, fighting for freedom? Righto.
Unhinged.
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rett wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:02 am
Ellafan wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:30 pm
rett wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:51 pm Amazing times. The people who usually defend police misconduct through thick and thin (Murdoch media for instance) have now gone all anti. Wonder why?
Dumb post. It has generally been the private media who have brought the authoritarian chekas of the socialist state into focus and terminated their excesses.

Before you respond, please let me know if we are starting with the Leninist or Stalinist terrors which killed millions of innocents?
Lenin and Stalin? So the Murdoch (sorry-private media) press who often refer to Andrews as Comrade Dan, and Victoria as Victoriastan, are bastions of liberty, fighting for freedom? Righto.
Unhinged.
No less than I expected comrade :thumbup: Keep up the good fight. You seem to have forgotten about when that corporation supported Blair over whoever the incumbent tory was. Were you complaining then?

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Ellafan wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:10 am
rett wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:02 am
Ellafan wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:30 pm
rett wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:51 pm Amazing times. The people who usually defend police misconduct through thick and thin (Murdoch media for instance) have now gone all anti. Wonder why?
Dumb post. It has generally been the private media who have brought the authoritarian chekas of the socialist state into focus and terminated their excesses.

Before you respond, please let me know if we are starting with the Leninist or Stalinist terrors which killed millions of innocents?
Lenin and Stalin? So the Murdoch (sorry-private media) press who often refer to Andrews as Comrade Dan, and Victoria as Victoriastan, are bastions of liberty, fighting for freedom? Righto.
Unhinged.
No less than I expected comrade :thumbup: Keep up the good fight. You seem to have forgotten about when that corporation supported Blair over whoever the incumbent tory was. Were you complaining then?

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Are you drunk? You could have pointed out that Murdoch supported Whitlam in 1972 as well. I don’t give a shit. He wants to sell newspapers. Or generate online traffic. Right now his media outlets see some commercial value in encouraging protests against the Victorian government. Regardless of the social and health impacts. fudge off with your fellow traveller shit.
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If am a drunk, I'll be sober in the morning.

You comrade, will still be a hypocrite.

Good evening, you are dismissed.
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Very good infections data out of Melbourne yesterday. Hopefully that can be replicated or even bettered today, although I expect the infection numbers to continue to bounce around a bit. The public health response and lockdowns in Melbourne have clearly worked to bring the spread of covid 19 under control, which is great for Victorians.
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More good news out of Victoria today!

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Good job Melbourne :thumbup:
Hang in there Clogs.
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CrazyIslander wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:24 am Good job Melbourne :thumbup:
Hang in there Clogs.
Watched the Dan Andrews press conference today. News Ltd journalists were demanding that he 'reward' Victorians with an immediate easing of restrictions. It was very unedifying to watch them trying to create news rather than report on it.
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CrazyIslander wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:24 am Good job Melbourne :thumbup:
Hang in there Clogs.
Thanks mate. Ony 5 more weeks of lockdown to go it seems...
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Clogs wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:42 am
CrazyIslander wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:24 am Good job Melbourne :thumbup:
Hang in there Clogs.
Thanks mate. Ony 5 more weeks of lockdown to go it seems...
5 weeks is a bit much tbh.
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Ali's Choice wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:27 am
CrazyIslander wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:24 am Good job Melbourne :thumbup:
Hang in there Clogs.
Watched the Dan Andrews press conference today. News Ltd journalists were demanding that he 'reward' Victorians with an immediate easing of restrictions. It was very unedifying to watch them trying to create news rather than report on it.
I understand the reasoning though. Perhaps stay on stage 4 but go easy on the enforcement.
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CrazyIslander wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 3:58 am
Clogs wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:42 am
CrazyIslander wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:24 am Good job Melbourne :thumbup:
Hang in there Clogs.
Thanks mate. Ony 5 more weeks of lockdown to go it seems...
5 weeks is a bit much tbh.

I think by the end of the 5 weeks 99.9999% of Melburnians will be in furious agreement.
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CrazyIslander wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 3:58 am
Clogs wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:42 am
CrazyIslander wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:24 am Good job Melbourne :thumbup:
Hang in there Clogs.
Thanks mate. Ony 5 more weeks of lockdown to go it seems...
5 weeks is a bit much tbh.
Clogs knows that Melbourne is scheduled to move to step 2 of their roadmap next week.
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Would pubs be open after 5 weeks? What's gonna happen Melbourne Cup?
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Ali's Choice wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:06 am
CrazyIslander wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 3:58 am
Clogs wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:42 am
CrazyIslander wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:24 am Good job Melbourne :thumbup:
Hang in there Clogs.
Thanks mate. Ony 5 more weeks of lockdown to go it seems...
5 weeks is a bit much tbh.
Clogs knows that Melbourne is scheduled to move to step 2 of their roadmap next week.
By all means my friend from far off distant Queensland, please expand on just how radically different step 2 on our roadmap is going to be for us? Are you suggesting that we will be out of lockdown?

Or will you concede that I am 100% correct in what I posted and that our lockdown continues on?
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CrazyIslander wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:21 am Would pubs be open after 5 weeks? What's gonna happen Melbourne Cup?
I doubt it. In 5 weeks (October 26) a restaurant or pub can only have 10 people in the premises at any one time (and again this is dependent on us maintaining under 5 cases for 2 weeks).

They are currently not allowed to open for patrons until October 26 (takeaways excepted for those fortunate enough to have customers within 5 kilometres from their store).
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Clogs wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:22 am By all means my friend from far off distant Queensland, please expand on just how radically different step 2 on our roadmap is going to be for us? Are you suggesting that we will be out of lockdown?

Or will you concede that I am 100% correct in what I posted and that our lockdown continues on?
My statement was 100% correct. Step 2 starts on Sept 28th and you know this. I never suggested it was radically different for people in Melbourne or that it will signal and end to your restrictions. However, on a more positive note the short term future is looking much brighter for regional Victoria including the major urban centres of Geelong, Ballarat and Bendigo.
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Ali's Choice wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:32 am
Clogs wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:22 am By all means my friend from far off distant Queensland, please expand on just how radically different step 2 on our roadmap is going to be for us? Are you suggesting that we will be out of lockdown?

Or will you concede that I am 100% correct in what I posted and that our lockdown continues on?
My statement was 100% correct. Step 2 starts on Sept 28th and you know this. I never suggested it was radically different for people in Melbourne or that it will signal and end to your restrictions. However, on a more positive note the short term future is looking much brighter for regional Victoria including the major urban centres of Geelong, Ballarat and Bendigo.
Right. So we are still in lockdown for 5 more weeks it seems. Pretty much back to exactly where we started with my original point to Crazy Islander. Thanks for your input. Invaluable.
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Clogs wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:51 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:32 am
Clogs wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:22 am By all means my friend from far off distant Queensland, please expand on just how radically different step 2 on our roadmap is going to be for us? Are you suggesting that we will be out of lockdown?

Or will you concede that I am 100% correct in what I posted and that our lockdown continues on?
My statement was 100% correct. Step 2 starts on Sept 28th and you know this. I never suggested it was radically different for people in Melbourne or that it will signal and end to your restrictions. However, on a more positive note the short term future is looking much brighter for regional Victoria including the major urban centres of Geelong, Ballarat and Bendigo.
Right. So we are still in lockdown for 5 more weeks it seems. Pretty much back to exactly where we started with my original point to Crazy Islander. Thanks for your input. Invaluable.
I know you have been opposed to any form of lockdown or restriction from the very beginning, but will you at least concede that they have worked in controlling Victoria's 2nd wave?
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So not only does Clogs have five more weeks of lock down... he's got this shit as well.
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Clogs wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:25 am

I doubt it. In 5 weeks (October 26) a restaurant or pub can only have 10 people in the premises at any one time (and again this is dependent on us maintaining under 5 cases for 2 weeks).

They are currently not allowed to open for patrons until October 26 (takeaways excepted for those fortunate enough to have customers within 5 kilometres from their store).
IN NSW we originally had a bare number restriction very similar on reopening - which later changed to a 4 square metre rule. Things are operating at a less crowded level, bookings generally essential. Even so, if you look at the covid cluster bulletin board on the NSWgov site, most of the directions to get tested relate to gyms, restaurants, and pubs/clubs. A few schools. I am actually surprised the authorities haven't clamped back down those, but then the suppression strategy seems to be working here.

We still have the 20 person private gathering rule - someone was busted with 23 guests recently and they were each fined $1000.
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Ali's Choice wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:57 am
Clogs wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:51 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:32 am
Clogs wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:22 am By all means my friend from far off distant Queensland, please expand on just how radically different step 2 on our roadmap is going to be for us? Are you suggesting that we will be out of lockdown?

Or will you concede that I am 100% correct in what I posted and that our lockdown continues on?
My statement was 100% correct. Step 2 starts on Sept 28th and you know this. I never suggested it was radically different for people in Melbourne or that it will signal and end to your restrictions. However, on a more positive note the short term future is looking much brighter for regional Victoria including the major urban centres of Geelong, Ballarat and Bendigo.
Right. So we are still in lockdown for 5 more weeks it seems. Pretty much back to exactly where we started with my original point to Crazy Islander. Thanks for your input. Invaluable.
I know you have been opposed to any form of lockdown or restriction from the very beginning, but will you at least concede that they have worked in controlling Victoria's 2nd wave?
The lockdown regulations have been very effective in bringing the spread of the infection 'under control' (not eliminate, but 'under control'). Not sure if anyone can argue against that. Maybe Bimbo?


But it is a bit more complex than just being effective, this is because the lockdowns are also a crude, blunt instrument that have also damaged and destroyed many lives. And this is now widely acknowledged. Evidence of this can be found in many nations that are suffering their second wave (in some instances any more cases than the first wave) refusing to lockdown again, and if they are introducing some form of restriction it is nowhere near as draconian as what they introduced during their first wave, and are certainly a far cry from what we are enduring down here in Melbourne.


And we still have 5 more weeks of lockdown to go...
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Clogs wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:11 am The lockdown regulations have been very effective in bringing the spread of the infection 'under control' (not eliminate, but 'under control'). Not sure if anyone can argue against that. Maybe Bimbo?


But it is a bit more complex than just being effective, this is because the lockdowns are also a crude, blunt instrument that have also damaged and destroyed many lives. And this is now widely acknowledged. Evidence of this can be found in many nations that are suffering their second wave (in some instances any more cases than the first wave) refusing to lockdown again, and if they are introducing some form of restriction it is nowhere near as draconian as what they introduced during their first wave, and are certainly a far cry from what we are enduring down here in Melbourne.


And we still have 5 more weeks of lockdown to go...
So which country's lead should Australia be following? The UK? The USA? Sweden? India? You love nothing more than to troll Dan Andrews, and whinge about being forced to stay home, but you refuse to tell us which country's approach to controlling this virus has been more successful.
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