Melbourne. About to be fvcked again. Fvck you Ozzie Open!

[Sensible Stephen]

And it seems Adelaide is royally fvcked, and are not locking down. This will end in tears.
Do an NZ. Hard lockdown for a week while its traced to stop any more movement. Otherwise it will be Vic all over again.

Why? Whats the point of track and trace if you have to go into lock down everytime the virus leaks out? the cluster is largely limited to 1 family. The next 48 hours will tell us if we can manage it or if we need to take more drastic action.

[Farva]

Its now multiple households isnt it? And potentially hundreds of exposures.
The way NZ dealt with an outbreak like this was a short, sharp lockdown to make sure that no further exposures happened.
This isnt a little outbreak, its not one or two people. Its 17 at last count. And SA is open with no masks.
A week now might save 3 months later.

[Pat the Ex Mat]

I blame Snapper.......

[Sensible Stephen]

Its now multiple households isnt it? And potentially hundreds of exposures.
The way NZ dealt with an outbreak like this was a short, sharp lockdown to make sure that no further exposures happened.
This isnt a little outbreak, its not one or two people. Its 17 at last count. And SA is open with no masks.
A week now might save 3 months later.

Again, what is the point of track and trace if a small leak triggers a lockdown everytime?

Its 15 members of 1 family. If they can trace and isolate contacts, then why lockdown. Businesses are already on their knees. Lockdown should be the last option, not the first.

If the thing is blowing up after 48 hours, then sure, but right now? Thats total knee jerk.

[Clogs]

They managed to get a pulse back? Fair play. I hope she pulls through.
Getting that pulse after 30 mins is amazing though. Well done to the guys doing the resus and not giving up.

Yeh, my mates started, then the firies arrived and joined in, then the ambos arrived shortly thereafter and took over. If the ambos hadn't arrived I think our guys wouldn't have stood much of a chance (we can really only do the basics) but the professionals had all the gear and expertise. Fingers crossed we all get the result we are hoping for and she is OK.


Just got the news, she is sedated and stable in ICU. Phew.

[Ellafan]

They are doing plenty - to try and obviate the need for a general lock down. This cluster is coming from one large family group and more directed "surgical" lockdowns are being applied.

closures of Mawson Lakes School and Preschool, and Thomas More College at Salisbury Downs, while an infected Hungry Jack’s worker has prompted the closure of the Port Adelaide outlet.

Parafield Plaza Supermarket is closed for cleaning after a family member shopped there while infectious, while an Anglicare aged care facility at Brompton is in lockdown because two family members worked there.

Calvary Hospital has also stopped all general visits, except for obstetrics and paediatrics patients.

About 90 staff and patients at the Lyell McEwin Hospital are in quarantine after an elderly family member presented to the emergency department while infectious, while an alert has also been issued about Yatala Labour Prison after a staff member tested positive.

Two of the infectious people are at the Royal Adelaide Hospital and the other 15 are quarantining at medi-hotels.

[Sensible Stephen]

They are doing plenty - to try and obviate the need for a general lock down. This cluster is coming from one large family group and more directed "surgical" lockdowns are being applied.

closures of Mawson Lakes School and Preschool, and Thomas More College at Salisbury Downs, while an infected Hungry Jack’s worker has prompted the closure of the Port Adelaide outlet.

Parafield Plaza Supermarket is closed for cleaning after a family member shopped there while infectious, while an Anglicare aged care facility at Brompton is in lockdown because two family members worked there.

Calvary Hospital has also stopped all general visits, except for obstetrics and paediatrics patients.

About 90 staff and patients at the Lyell McEwin Hospital are in quarantine after an elderly family member presented to the emergency department while infectious, while an alert has also been issued about Yatala Labour Prison after a staff member tested positive.

Two of the infectious people are at the Royal Adelaide Hospital and the other 15 are quarantining at medi-hotels.

Yep, they are doing well to get on top of it. So far today, no increase to the 17 from this morning. No doubt there will be more, but good signs so far.

[Ellafan]

The irony is that the initial case seems to have been a family member working at a medi-hotel.

NSW has been playing whack-a-mole like this for months, and successfully suppressing any clusters. It can be done, without the need to panic and dive into an economy wrecking total lock down. If it doesn't spiral out in 48 hours then carry on as normal.

[Sensible Stephen]

The irony is that the initial case seems to have been a family member working at a medi-hotel.

NSW has been playing whack-a-mole like this for months, and successfully suppressing any clusters. It can be done, without the need to panic and dive into an economy wrecking total lock down. If it doesn't spiral out in 48 hours then carry on as normal.

Yep agree 100%.

[Farva]

Its now multiple households isnt it? And potentially hundreds of exposures.
The way NZ dealt with an outbreak like this was a short, sharp lockdown to make sure that no further exposures happened.
This isnt a little outbreak, its not one or two people. Its 17 at last count. And SA is open with no masks.
A week now might save 3 months later.

Again, what is the point of track and trace if a small leak triggers a lockdown everytime?

Its 15 members of 1 family. If they can trace and isolate contacts, then why lockdown. Businesses are already on their knees. Lockdown should be the last option, not the first.

If the thing is blowing up after 48 hours, then sure, but right now? Thats total knee jerk.

Fair enough. But I dont agree with you. Its not a small outbreak. What I have read is that contact tracing is fine for up to about 10 cases, then it is overwhelmed. So its great for isolated cases. But this isnt an isolated case. Its 17 cases and growing. NSW hasnt faced an outbreak of this size.
But happy to leave it to the experts to determine what the best course of action is.

[Clogs]

I want Melbourne to go into a reverse lockdown. Do not allow anyone from other states in. They are all unclean. Who do I write to?

[Clogs]

Was the Federal Government involved in assisting with the SA quarantine program?

[kiap]

I want Melbourne to go into a reverse lockdown. Do not allow anyone from other states in. They are all unclean. Who do I write to?

Dan is your man

[mabunch78]

SA State Premier asking all to work from home...I guess that may mean some more results have come in...?

[mabunch78]

Outbreak now up to 34...

[Clogs]

Are South Australians wearing masks yet?

[Sensible Stephen]

Outbreak now up to 34...

Active cases. No change from this morning. 17 new ones today. About half those are in hotels. 18 are community.

[mabunch78]

Ah, OK. Slapped wrist for the Financial Review...

[Ellafan]

Ah, OK. Slapped wrist for the Financial Review...

Your ABC led the news with the announcement that SA was on the brink of a second wave. They really have turned into a joke-shop. They then criticised (done with modulated tone of voice and ambience of delivery, so it reads clean on the transcript) the treasurer for bringing in a deficit budget. I can think of a few ways to save a few billion, starting with shutting down the biased ABC

Other points:

A fellow student from Adelaide reported that her class mate "was crook all week, but only went for a test on Saturday." This kid's parents should be given a public flogging (metaphorically speaking).

SA has also eased back in some restrictions on private gatherings and activities without going all chicken little.

[Ali's Choice]

Oh look, Ella Fan is trolling the ABC yet again. How boring

Conservatives like him have demanded for years that the ABC become more like the News Ltd media, and now they're complaining because it's being run by Ita and is acting like a tabloid. Make your mind up please conservatives!

[grievous]

Ah, OK. Slapped wrist for the Financial Review...

Your ABC led the news with the announcement that SA was on the brink of a second wave. They really have turned into a joke-shop. They then criticised (done with modulated tone of voice and ambience of delivery, so it reads clean on the transcript) the treasurer for bringing in a deficit budget. I can think of a few ways to save a few billion, starting with shutting down the biased ABC

Other points:

A fellow student from Adelaide reported that her class mate "was crook all week, but only went for a test on Saturday." This kid's parents should be given a public flogging (metaphorically speaking).

SA has also eased back in some restrictions on private gatherings and activities without going all chicken little.

Youre a fvcking parody of the right, they have programs in this country now for "the perennial outraged" and there is almost daily attacks on the ABC. Do us all favour and get a subscription, fark off there and when you get there fark off again.
Oh and you forgot to mention 3 states closed their borders to SA immediately.

[Ellafan]

Ah, OK. Slapped wrist for the Financial Review...

Your ABC led the news with the announcement that SA was on the brink of a second wave. They really have turned into a joke-shop. They then criticised (done with modulated tone of voice and ambience of delivery, so it reads clean on the transcript) the treasurer for bringing in a deficit budget. I can think of a few ways to save a few billion, starting with shutting down the biased ABC

Other points:

A fellow student from Adelaide reported that her class mate "was crook all week, but only went for a test on Saturday." This kid's parents should be given a public flogging (metaphorically speaking).

SA has also eased back in some restrictions on private gatherings and activities without going all chicken little.

Youre a fvcking parody of the right, they have programs in this country now for "the perennial outraged" and there is almost daily attacks on the ABC. Do us all favour and get a subscription, fark off there and when you get there fark off again.
Oh and you forgot to mention 3 states closed their borders to SA immediately.

Another good way for the government sector generally to save billions, would be to get rid of local governments as a third, costly, and unnecessary tier of government. Imagine that, all those public employees with guaranteed incomes having to get a job in the private sector. I wonder if they'd be so quick to demand lock downs that wreck the economy, then.

[grievous]

Ah, OK. Slapped wrist for the Financial Review...

Your ABC led the news with the announcement that SA was on the brink of a second wave. They really have turned into a joke-shop. They then criticised (done with modulated tone of voice and ambience of delivery, so it reads clean on the transcript) the treasurer for bringing in a deficit budget. I can think of a few ways to save a few billion, starting with shutting down the biased ABC

Other points:

A fellow student from Adelaide reported that her class mate "was crook all week, but only went for a test on Saturday." This kid's parents should be given a public flogging (metaphorically speaking).

SA has also eased back in some restrictions on private gatherings and activities without going all chicken little.

Youre a fvcking parody of the right, they have programs in this country now for "the perennial outraged" and there is almost daily attacks on the ABC. Do us all favour and get a subscription, fark off there and when you get there fark off again.
Oh and you forgot to mention 3 states closed their borders to SA immediately.

Another good way for the government sector generally to save billions, would be to get rid of local governments as a third, costly, and unnecessary tier of government. Imagine that, all those public employees with guaranteed incomes having to get a job in the private sector. I wonder if they'd be so quick to demand lock downs that wreck the economy, then.

You might want to pick up that once respected broadsheet The Right Australian.
Front page headlines with Covid SA story downplaying one new case with growing cluster....

[Farva]

SA going hard, its the right call IMO.

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavir ... e3cc065ae2

[Ali's Choice]

SA going hard, its the right call IMO.

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavir ... e3cc065ae2

I look forward to Clogs attacking Premier Marshal fir this lockdown as loudly and passionately as he attacked Dan Andrews. Failure to do so would make him a hypocrite.

[UncleFB]

SA going hard, its the right call IMO.

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavir ... e3cc065ae2

I look forward to Clogs attacking Premier Marshal fir this lockdown as loudly and passionately as he attacked Dan Andrews. Failure to do so would make him a hypocrite.

News Limited will be so confused, how much do they put the boot in to their Liberal Premier?

[Farva]

This is what NZ did, and did it really well. Lock down for a week or so while they confirmed they knew what was going on, and then lifted when it was sorted out.

[Pat the Ex Mat]

Definitely the right idea

[Sensible Stephen]

They did the sensible thing.

Unlike some on here were pushing, they didn't jump the gun, they did massive amounts of contact tracing. After 48 hours they found that the possible no. of contacts was beyond what could be managed, so called for this circuit breaker lockdown. 6 days + 8 days.

The SA Government has been pretty good in general. We didn't go into lockdown in March/April, this is the first time, so must be a serious concern it could run away from us.

[Clogs]

A 1 week lockdown is clearly the sensible thing to do. Hopefully they have acted early enough and therefore only have to go through a very short lockdown. The key is obviously act early. Are they wearing face masks yet?

[Farva]

They did the sensible thing.

Unlike some on here were pushing, they didn't jump the gun, they did massive amounts of contact tracing. After 48 hours they found that the possible no. of contacts was beyond what could be managed, so called for this circuit breaker lockdown. 6 days + 8 days.

The SA Government has been pretty good in general. We didn't go into lockdown in March/April, this is the first time, so must be a serious concern it could run away from us.

Hmm, I said on Monday they should go in to lockdown for a week like they have. The cluster was first found on Friday, so thats 72 hrs there. I dont think Monday is jumping the gun when it had then been 3 days. NZ reacted this way and found it worked. By Monday is was clearly much bigger than just one or two people (17 at that point, with hundreds of close contacts isolating).

[Sensible Stephen]

They did the sensible thing.

Unlike some on here were pushing, they didn't jump the gun, they did massive amounts of contact tracing. After 48 hours they found that the possible no. of contacts was beyond what could be managed, so called for this circuit breaker lockdown. 6 days + 8 days.

The SA Government has been pretty good in general. We didn't go into lockdown in March/April, this is the first time, so must be a serious concern it could run away from us.

Hmm, I said on Monday they should go in to lockdown for a week like they have. The cluster was first found on Friday, so thats 72 hrs there. I dont think Monday is jumping the gun when it had then been 3 days. NZ reacted this way and found it worked. By Monday is was clearly much bigger than just one or two people (17 at that point, with hundreds of close contacts isolating).

Nah, you jumped the gun. Up until yesterday they thought lockdown could be avoided, but after contract tracing picked up the pizza place and then the mall, they had no choice.

They took a systematic approach rather than, fudge, lockdown now.

[Farva]

Its now multiple households isnt it? And potentially hundreds of exposures.
The way NZ dealt with an outbreak like this was a short, sharp lockdown to make sure that no further exposures happened.
This isnt a little outbreak, its not one or two people. Its 17 at last count. And SA is open with no masks.
A week now might save 3 months later.

Hmm, On Monday after 3 days of the outbreak and the outbreak getting beyond what everything I have read says the contact tracing can typically cope with. Ill stand by my position there. Hardly knee jerk, the contact tracing had gone for 3 days and was shown to be a very large outbreak.

[Sensible Stephen]

Its now multiple households isnt it? And potentially hundreds of exposures.
The way NZ dealt with an outbreak like this was a short, sharp lockdown to make sure that no further exposures happened.
This isnt a little outbreak, its not one or two people. Its 17 at last count. And SA is open with no masks.
A week now might save 3 months later.

Hmm, On Monday after 3 days of the outbreak and the outbreak getting beyond what everything I have read says the contact tracing can typically cope with. Ill stand by my position there. Hardly knee jerk, the contact tracing had gone for 3 days and was shown to be a very large outbreak.

Yeah, well I will back the medical experts. Pretty sure they know what contract tracing can or can't do.

They have had to go into lockdown as this strain has a very short incubation period compared to the what we have previously seen. They were confident they could track and trace, but once the virus sequencing was done and the short incubation period was discovered they decided it was too risky.

Contract tracing has been done up to the 4th generation, but they have said its probably up to the 5th now. If it was the virus from a few months ago, they would have been ahead of it now.

[Farva]

Sure. Trust the experts. But they aren’t infallible on this. We in Vic ended up in lockdown because we were not conservative enough. You haven’t had to deal with that, you don’t know how bad it is. Disclaimer: it’s shite. I would do anything not to do that again. Vics experts got it wrong (granted SA has the benefit of seeing what happened here)
However, the experts in NZ suggested that an immediate lockdown in only 1/4 of the community transmission SA had when I made that post on Monday. We’re they wrong and SA right? NZ seemed to get it right given they squashed the virus with their actions.
And I am not sold on SAs contact tracing being there yet. Your testing facilities can’t handle the volume. I am talking to a mate over there right now. He was in a line for 6.5 hrs from 830am today only to be told the testing facility is closing. He is now an hour into another one. If the testing is not there how can the tracing be?
Anyway, the city has now locked down. It’s the right move.

[Sensible Stephen]

Sure. Trust the experts. But they aren’t infallible on this. We in Vic ended up in lockdown because we were not conservative enough. You haven’t had to deal with that, you don’t know how bad it is. Disclaimer: it’s shite. I would do anything not to do that again. Vics experts got it wrong (granted SA has the benefit of seeing what happened here)
However, the experts in NZ suggested that an immediate lockdown in only 1/4 of the community transmission SA had when I made that post on Monday. We’re they wrong and SA right? NZ seemed to get it right given they squashed the virus with their actions.
And I am not sold on SAs contact tracing being there yet. Your testing facilities can’t handle the volume. I am talking to a mate over there right now. He was in a line for 6.5 hrs from 830am today only to be told the testing facility is closing. He is now an hour into another one. If the testing is not there how can the tracing be?
Anyway, the city has now locked down. It’s the right move.

Perhaps NZ didn't have the infrastructure and people in place that SA does. Contract tracing has worked, all the way up to the 4th generation from Saturday. People panicking and getting tested when they weren't in the red zones or don't have symptoms and clogging up the testing stations has no effect on the people going around tracing all the infected peoples contacts.

You seem to think there is only one way to deal with outbreaks, lockdown. If thats the case, may as well just sack the track and trace people as they won't be required if future outbreaks happen. Well just lockdown for everything.

Again, we wouldn't have had to lockdown if it wasn't for this strain of the virus being different. Track and trace did its job.

[Ellafan]

Definitely the right idea

I agree.

They have shut down all social activities - pubs, restaurants, sports, AND even individual exercise.

They have also restricted schools and hospitals (but not completely).

They have not shut down work, industry etc - FIFO has been frozen not shut down, the work goes on.

In other words, this is not a shut down that will crash the economy, its just a ban on... well, fun.

Very "nuanced" as clogs would say.

[Ellafan]

SA going hard, its the right call IMO.

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavir ... e3cc065ae2

I look forward to Clogs attacking Premier Marshal fir this lockdown as loudly and passionately as he attacked Dan Andrews. Failure to do so would make him a hypocrite.

I am sure Clogs will support - because it's a fine tuned shutdown that leaves most of the economy intact. Supermarkets are not shut. The whole food chain is not shut. Most work (hospitality aside) continues.

Basically, its a ban on fun.

[Ellafan]

Its now multiple households isnt it? And potentially hundreds of exposures.
The way NZ dealt with an outbreak like this was a short, sharp lockdown to make sure that no further exposures happened.
This isnt a little outbreak, its not one or two people. Its 17 at last count. And SA is open with no masks.
A week now might save 3 months later.

Hmm, On Monday after 3 days of the outbreak and the outbreak getting beyond what everything I have read says the contact tracing can typically cope with. Ill stand by my position there. Hardly knee jerk, the contact tracing had gone for 3 days and was shown to be a very large outbreak.

What? 22, maybe 27, cases in the population of Adelaide? It's a statistical irrelevance.

I'm guessing you neither own a business in, nor earn a living in, the hospitality sector. People are losing their life's work in small businesses, their jobs, homes and dreams due to the economic disaster knee jerk shutdowns have caused in this country.

Have some empathy for chissakes, and stop the panic talk.

[Clogs]

OK, we are now balls deep into this covid virus and as a result have a lot better understanding of the risks etc associated with contracting the disease.

There is clearly a higher risk of contracting this disease in an indoor environment. There is a lower risk of contracting this disease outdoors (provided there is adequate spacing between people of course).The risk of contracting Covid increases with more people in the immediate environment. True for both indoors and outdoors.
Masks may be effective in limiting the spread.
Wearing a mask in a higher risk environment makes sense. It may help lower the risk.

I will leave this 14 second clip here for you to view and then comment on.

https://youtu.be/1HdDWqbhBYE