Melbourne. Fvcked again. And again. And again.
Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 7:00 am
We go into another lockdown from midnight tomorrow. 6 more weeks. Fvck!
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You would have to think that all states will have a 2nd wave. NSW has likely already got COVID spreading silently and undetected through their community. And QLD is opening our borders to NSW very soon, so there goes our run of good luck.Clogs wrote:I think the problem is a bit bigger than just them. We didn't quite get a handle on this thing before opening things up. What is troubling is that the numbers are high, but almost all are asymptomatic and only really identified as a result of extensive testing. What does this mean for other states?
Nothing for SA.Clogs wrote:I think the problem is a bit bigger than just them. We didn't quite get a handle on this thing before opening things up. What is troubling is that the numbers are high, but almost all are asymptomatic and only really identified as a result of extensive testing. What does this mean for other states?
I think thats the worry. They won't be. People are exhausted. A second lockdown will be much harder to do than the first.Ali's Choice wrote:You would have to think that all states will have a 2nd wave. NSW has likely already got COVID spreading silently and undetected through their community. And QLD is opening our borders to NSW very soon, so there goes our run of good luck.Clogs wrote:I think the problem is a bit bigger than just them. We didn't quite get a handle on this thing before opening things up. What is troubling is that the numbers are high, but almost all are asymptomatic and only really identified as a result of extensive testing. What does this mean for other states?
What will be interesting is to see if localised and regional resrtrictions are as effective as the 'one in, all in' approach that we took back in March.'
I think we need to keep things in perspective, we've still only had 106 deaths in total nationally. That's how many deaths the UK is recording per day, and they have opened up their economy and are encouraging people to rush to the pubs and to the beach.Sensible Stephen wrote:I think thats the worry. They won't be. People are exhausted. A second lockdown will be much harder to do than the first.
I was thinking more the mental side of it. We are basically open here in SA. If we had to go back into lockdown, you start wondering how many times is this going to happen. Its not a once off lockdown anymore. Is it going to be up and down like this until we get a vaccine?Ali's Choice wrote:I think we need to keep things in perspective, we've still only had 106 deaths in total nationally. That's how many deaths the UK is recording per day, and they have opened up their economy and are encouraging people to rush to the pubs and to the beach.Sensible Stephen wrote:I think thats the worry. They won't be. People are exhausted. A second lockdown will be much harder to do than the first.
Agreed, the QLD Labor govt has done the best job fighting COVID in Australiabravo wrote:Gotta love a Labour government
Ali's Choice wrote:Agreed, the QLD Labor govt has done the best job fighting COVID in Australiabravo wrote:Gotta love a Labour government
Ali's Choice wrote:You would have to think that all states will have a 2nd wave. NSW has likely already got COVID spreading silently and undetected through their community. And QLD is opening our borders to NSW very soon, so there goes our run of good luck.Clogs wrote:I think the problem is a bit bigger than just them. We didn't quite get a handle on this thing before opening things up. What is troubling is that the numbers are high, but almost all are asymptomatic and only really identified as a result of extensive testing. What does this mean for other states?
What will be interesting is to see if localised and regional resrtrictions are as effective as the 'one in, all in' approach that we took back in March.'
bravo wrote:Gotta love a Labour government
kiap wrote:Ali's Choice wrote:Agreed, the QLD Labor govt has done the best job fighting COVID in Australiabravo wrote:Gotta love a Labour government
Dan Andrews shits all over Michael O’Brian as a leader. I had to laugh watching O’Brian laying into Andrews after his press conference and then offering bipartisan support. What a f**king nob.bravo wrote:Between this and the recent branch stacking controversy.. labour in VIC are beyond fvcked..
Isn't Victoria the most population-dense state?trapper wrote:Dan Andrews shits all over Michael O’Brian as a leader. I had to laugh watching O’Brian laying into Andrews after his press conference and then offering bipartisan support. What a f**king nob.bravo wrote:Between this and the recent branch stacking controversy.. labour in VIC are beyond fvcked..
Andrews is a sure thing to win another term. In fact he should run for PM, speaking of which, has anyone seen ScoMo, he seems to be MIA again...
Ali's Choice wrote:I think we need to keep things in perspective, we've still only had 106 deaths in total nationally. That's how many deaths the UK is recording per day, and they have opened up their economy and are encouraging people to rush to the pubs and to the beach.Sensible Stephen wrote:I think thats the worry. They won't be. People are exhausted. A second lockdown will be much harder to do than the first.
You keep beating this drum - it has happened now, it's not punishment, the Lockdown happened under the best advice, which was consistent with Medical Advice.Clogs wrote:Ali's Choice wrote:I think we need to keep things in perspective, we've still only had 106 deaths in total nationally. That's how many deaths the UK is recording per day, and they have opened up their economy and are encouraging people to rush to the pubs and to the beach.Sensible Stephen wrote:I think thats the worry. They won't be. People are exhausted. A second lockdown will be much harder to do than the first.
Here is the remarkable thing in the UK. Of the 44 odd thousand deaths attributable to Covid, only 168 people aged 35 and under have died. That is a staggeringly small number of deaths for such a large proportion of the population.
If you were to measure 50 and under then it is slightly higher at 1821 deaths out of 44 odd thousand.
If that same demographic impact plays out in Australia, surely it would make more sense to let anyone under 50 continue on as per normal and anyone from 50 to 60 decide on whether to self isolate or not, then anyone over 60 should look to go into quarantine.
Less impact on the economy, little impact/risk on those going about things as per normal, and significantly reduced risk of impact to those most vulnerable. In fact the most vulnerable (over 70) are all mostly retirees anyway. Lets protect them and assist them during this tough time rather than say lockdown the entire population?
Mate, we have no idea what the long term complications from getting covid are. Might be nothing like the flu, but there is some evidence to suggest some lasting damage might be taking place.Clogs wrote:Ali's Choice wrote:I think we need to keep things in perspective, we've still only had 106 deaths in total nationally. That's how many deaths the UK is recording per day, and they have opened up their economy and are encouraging people to rush to the pubs and to the beach.Sensible Stephen wrote:I think thats the worry. They won't be. People are exhausted. A second lockdown will be much harder to do than the first.
Here is the remarkable thing in the UK. Of the 44 odd thousand deaths attributable to Covid, only 168 people aged 35 and under have died. That is a staggeringly small number of deaths for such a large proportion of the population.
If you were to measure 50 and under then it is slightly higher at 1821 deaths out of 44 odd thousand.
If that same demographic impact plays out in Australia, surely it would make more sense to let anyone under 50 continue on as per normal and anyone from 50 to 60 decide on whether to self isolate or not, then anyone over 60 should look to go into quarantine.
Less impact on the economy, little impact/risk on those going about things as per normal, and significantly reduced risk of impact to those most vulnerable. In fact the most vulnerable (over 70) are all mostly retirees anyway. Lets protect them and assist them during this tough time rather than say lockdown the entire population?
Clogs wrote:We go into another lockdown from midnight tomorrow. 6 more weeks. Fvck!
Pat the Ex Mat wrote:Isn't Victoria the most population-dense state?trapper wrote:Dan Andrews shits all over Michael O’Brian as a leader. I had to laugh watching O’Brian laying into Andrews after his press conference and then offering bipartisan support. What a f**king nob.bravo wrote:Between this and the recent branch stacking controversy.. labour in VIC are beyond fvcked..
Andrews is a sure thing to win another term. In fact he should run for PM, speaking of which, has anyone seen ScoMo, he seems to be MIA again...
It's just bad luck, not bad leadership a la Scomo
Firm but fairMuttonbirds wrote:Red card, Melbourne. Six week suspension.
Sensible Stephen wrote:Mate, we have no idea what the long term complications from getting covid are. Might be nothing like the flu, but there is some evidence to suggest some lasting damage might be taking place.Clogs wrote:Ali's Choice wrote:I think we need to keep things in perspective, we've still only had 106 deaths in total nationally. That's how many deaths the UK is recording per day, and they have opened up their economy and are encouraging people to rush to the pubs and to the beach.Sensible Stephen wrote:I think thats the worry. They won't be. People are exhausted. A second lockdown will be much harder to do than the first.
Here is the remarkable thing in the UK. Of the 44 odd thousand deaths attributable to Covid, only 168 people aged 35 and under have died. That is a staggeringly small number of deaths for such a large proportion of the population.
If you were to measure 50 and under then it is slightly higher at 1821 deaths out of 44 odd thousand.
If that same demographic impact plays out in Australia, surely it would make more sense to let anyone under 50 continue on as per normal and anyone from 50 to 60 decide on whether to self isolate or not, then anyone over 60 should look to go into quarantine.
Less impact on the economy, little impact/risk on those going about things as per normal, and significantly reduced risk of impact to those most vulnerable. In fact the most vulnerable (over 70) are all mostly retirees anyway. Lets protect them and assist them during this tough time rather than say lockdown the entire population?
Too many unknowns and too many risks to just let it wash over 'non-vulnerable' people.
Careful Clogs, you don't want to let facts get in the way.Clogs wrote:Ali's Choice wrote:I think we need to keep things in perspective, we've still only had 106 deaths in total nationally. That's how many deaths the UK is recording per day, and they have opened up their economy and are encouraging people to rush to the pubs and to the beach.Sensible Stephen wrote:I think thats the worry. They won't be. People are exhausted. A second lockdown will be much harder to do than the first.
Here is the remarkable thing in the UK. Of the 44 odd thousand deaths attributable to Covid, only 168 people aged 35 and under have died. That is a staggeringly small number of deaths for such a large proportion of the population.
If you were to measure 50 and under then it is slightly higher at 1821 deaths out of 44 odd thousand.
If that same demographic impact plays out in Australia, surely it would make more sense to let anyone under 50 continue on as per normal and anyone from 50 to 60 decide on whether to self isolate or not, then anyone over 60 should look to go into quarantine.
Less impact on the economy, little impact/risk on those going about things as per normal, and significantly reduced risk of impact to those most vulnerable. In fact the most vulnerable (over 70) are all mostly retirees anyway. Lets protect them and assist them during this tough time rather than say lockdown the entire population?
terryfinch wrote:Clogs wrote:We go into another lockdown from midnight tomorrow. 6 more weeks. Fvck!
In my opinion the wrong approach. This virus is now a fact of life. It doesn’t go away. Lockdown is too blunt an instrument. Track, trace and localised lockdowns (places of work, tower blocks, ....) seems the most practical way to go, keeping a lid on it that way. Wide scale lockdowns cause too much damage.
Actually it was the best medical advice. The best economic advice would be different.Pat the Ex Mat wrote:
You keep beating this drum - it has happened now, it's not punishment, the Lockdown happened under the best advice, which was consistent with Medical Advice.
Ellafan wrote:Careful Clogs, you don't want to let facts get in the way.Clogs wrote:Ali's Choice wrote:I think we need to keep things in perspective, we've still only had 106 deaths in total nationally. That's how many deaths the UK is recording per day, and they have opened up their economy and are encouraging people to rush to the pubs and to the beach.Sensible Stephen wrote:I think thats the worry. They won't be. People are exhausted. A second lockdown will be much harder to do than the first.
Here is the remarkable thing in the UK. Of the 44 odd thousand deaths attributable to Covid, only 168 people aged 35 and under have died. That is a staggeringly small number of deaths for such a large proportion of the population.
If you were to measure 50 and under then it is slightly higher at 1821 deaths out of 44 odd thousand.
If that same demographic impact plays out in Australia, surely it would make more sense to let anyone under 50 continue on as per normal and anyone from 50 to 60 decide on whether to self isolate or not, then anyone over 60 should look to go into quarantine.
Less impact on the economy, little impact/risk on those going about things as per normal, and significantly reduced risk of impact to those most vulnerable. In fact the most vulnerable (over 70) are all mostly retirees anyway. Lets protect them and assist them during this tough time rather than say lockdown the entire population?
The politicians were given the worst case scenarios by the medicos and, in the face of media hype over-reacted.
Looking at the result from the medico's POV, its fantastic, great, and couldn't be a lot better. A world leading success story.
Looking at it from a multi-discipline POV it is a clusterfuck. The economy has been trashed, in circumstances where with only a small increase in pain, in need not have been so badly affected.
The problem is that no politician - in this media driven democracy - has the strength of character or leadership to get up and say -
"We have decided that we can accept 1000 deaths instead of 100. We are doing this because we don't want to go into an economic blackhole that will take a generation to recover from. So, a few of you are going to have to take one for the team."
So you don't think my idea has merit. Even with the data? You believe the 100% lockdown is the only way to go?Pat the Ex Mat wrote:You keep beating this drum - it has happened now, it's not punishment, the Lockdown happened under the best advice, which was consistent with Medical Advice.Clogs wrote:Ali's Choice wrote:I think we need to keep things in perspective, we've still only had 106 deaths in total nationally. That's how many deaths the UK is recording per day, and they have opened up their economy and are encouraging people to rush to the pubs and to the beach.Sensible Stephen wrote:I think thats the worry. They won't be. People are exhausted. A second lockdown will be much harder to do than the first.
Here is the remarkable thing in the UK. Of the 44 odd thousand deaths attributable to Covid, only 168 people aged 35 and under have died. That is a staggeringly small number of deaths for such a large proportion of the population.
If you were to measure 50 and under then it is slightly higher at 1821 deaths out of 44 odd thousand.
If that same demographic impact plays out in Australia, surely it would make more sense to let anyone under 50 continue on as per normal and anyone from 50 to 60 decide on whether to self isolate or not, then anyone over 60 should look to go into quarantine.
Less impact on the economy, little impact/risk on those going about things as per normal, and significantly reduced risk of impact to those most vulnerable. In fact the most vulnerable (over 70) are all mostly retirees anyway. Lets protect them and assist them during this tough time rather than say lockdown the entire population?
Yeah, I just dont agree with that.Ellafan wrote:Actually it was the best medical advice. The best economic advice would be different.Pat the Ex Mat wrote:
You keep beating this drum - it has happened now, it's not punishment, the Lockdown happened under the best advice, which was consistent with Medical Advice.
Clogs wrote:Ellafan wrote:Careful Clogs, you don't want to let facts get in the way.Clogs wrote:Ali's Choice wrote:I think we need to keep things in perspective, we've still only had 106 deaths in total nationally. That's how many deaths the UK is recording per day, and they have opened up their economy and are encouraging people to rush to the pubs and to the beach.Sensible Stephen wrote:I think thats the worry. They won't be. People are exhausted. A second lockdown will be much harder to do than the first.
Here is the remarkable thing in the UK. Of the 44 odd thousand deaths attributable to Covid, only 168 people aged 35 and under have died. That is a staggeringly small number of deaths for such a large proportion of the population.
If you were to measure 50 and under then it is slightly higher at 1821 deaths out of 44 odd thousand.
If that same demographic impact plays out in Australia, surely it would make more sense to let anyone under 50 continue on as per normal and anyone from 50 to 60 decide on whether to self isolate or not, then anyone over 60 should look to go into quarantine.
Less impact on the economy, little impact/risk on those going about things as per normal, and significantly reduced risk of impact to those most vulnerable. In fact the most vulnerable (over 70) are all mostly retirees anyway. Lets protect them and assist them during this tough time rather than say lockdown the entire population?
The politicians were given the worst case scenarios by the medicos and, in the face of media hype over-reacted.
Looking at the result from the medico's POV, its fantastic, great, and couldn't be a lot better. A world leading success story.
Looking at it from a multi-discipline POV it is a clusterfuck. The economy has been trashed, in circumstances where with only a small increase in pain, in need not have been so badly affected.
The problem is that no politician - in this media driven democracy - has the strength of character or leadership to get up and say -
"We have decided that we can accept 1000 deaths instead of 100. We are doing this because we don't want to go into an economic blackhole that will take a generation to recover from. So, a few of you are going to have to take one for the team."
Well on at least one of your points I think we are in furious agreement. The media have been absolutely fvcking appalling in their reporting hyping/sensationalising/comparing challenging premiers and chief medical officers and putting unreasonable pressure on them in these extraordinary times. Disgusting even.
For mine, we now have a huge amount of data available to us. We should be able to count on our politicians making better decisions as a result. And it isn't about accepting 1000 deaths instead of 100. It is about balance and making sure we don't have any more deaths than we need to. Apart from it being inevitable and all.
We had lockdown in the UK and so far 44k have died. So on that basis lockdown was a waste of time even though it was projected anything up to 500k would have died if we hadn't. Is that you point ?Clogs wrote:Ali's Choice wrote:I think we need to keep things in perspective, we've still only had 106 deaths in total nationally. That's how many deaths the UK is recording per day, and they have opened up their economy and are encouraging people to rush to the pubs and to the beach.Sensible Stephen wrote:I think thats the worry. They won't be. People are exhausted. A second lockdown will be much harder to do than the first.
Here is the remarkable thing in the UK. Of the 44 odd thousand deaths attributable to Covid, only 168 people aged 35 and under have died. That is a staggeringly small number of deaths for such a large proportion of the population.
If you were to measure 50 and under then it is slightly higher at 1821 deaths out of 44 odd thousand.
If that same demographic impact plays out in Australia, surely it would make more sense to let anyone under 50 continue on as per normal and anyone from 50 to 60 decide on whether to self isolate or not, then anyone over 60 should look to go into quarantine.
Less impact on the economy, little impact/risk on those going about things as per normal, and significantly reduced risk of impact to those most vulnerable. In fact the most vulnerable (over 70) are all mostly retirees anyway. Lets protect them and assist them during this tough time rather than say lockdown the entire population?
Has there been anywhere in the world that has been able to successfully implement this strategy you are suggesting? Because I'm just not sure how this could possibly work? I can see that as one of the resident loony conservative Australian posters, you are delighted by today's lockdown news because it gives you a chance to promote ultra-conservative herd immunity conspiracy theories and troll Victoria's Labor Premier.Clogs wrote:If that same demographic impact plays out in Australia, surely it would make more sense to let anyone under 50 continue on as per normal and anyone from 50 to 60 decide on whether to self isolate or not, then anyone over 60 should look to go into quarantine.
terryfinch wrote:Clogs wrote:We go into another lockdown from midnight tomorrow. 6 more weeks. Fvck!
In my opinion the wrong approach. This virus is now a fact of life. It doesn’t go away. Lockdown is too blunt an instrument. Track, trace and localised lockdowns (places of work, tower blocks, ....) seems the most practical way to go, keeping a lid on it that way. Wide scale lockdowns cause too much damage.
Being, by some margin, the most intelligent poster that PR has ever had.Mullet 2 wrote:terryfinch wrote:Clogs wrote:We go into another lockdown from midnight tomorrow. 6 more weeks. Fvck!
In my opinion the wrong approach. This virus is now a fact of life. It doesn’t go away. Lockdown is too blunt an instrument. Track, trace and localised lockdowns (places of work, tower blocks, ....) seems the most practical way to go, keeping a lid on it that way. Wide scale lockdowns cause too much damage.
And what are your qualifications which inform your opinions?
Can you please show us an example of a country or jurisdiction that has successfully slowed the spread COVID 19 using only localised lock-downs, rather than a more general approach?terryfinch wrote:Clogs wrote:We go into another lockdown from midnight tomorrow. 6 more weeks. Fvck!
In my opinion the wrong approach. This virus is now a fact of life. It doesn’t go away. Lockdown is too blunt an instrument. Track, trace and localised lockdowns (places of work, tower blocks, ....) seems the most practical way to go, keeping a lid on it that way. Wide scale lockdowns cause too much damage.
Anonymous. wrote:We had lockdown in the UK and so far 44k have died. So on that basis lockdown was a waste of time even though it was projected anything up to 500k would have died if we hadn't. Is that you point ?Clogs wrote:Ali's Choice wrote:I think we need to keep things in perspective, we've still only had 106 deaths in total nationally. That's how many deaths the UK is recording per day, and they have opened up their economy and are encouraging people to rush to the pubs and to the beach.Sensible Stephen wrote:I think thats the worry. They won't be. People are exhausted. A second lockdown will be much harder to do than the first.
Here is the remarkable thing in the UK. Of the 44 odd thousand deaths attributable to Covid, only 168 people aged 35 and under have died. That is a staggeringly small number of deaths for such a large proportion of the population.
If you were to measure 50 and under then it is slightly higher at 1821 deaths out of 44 odd thousand.
If that same demographic impact plays out in Australia, surely it would make more sense to let anyone under 50 continue on as per normal and anyone from 50 to 60 decide on whether to self isolate or not, then anyone over 60 should look to go into quarantine.
Less impact on the economy, little impact/risk on those going about things as per normal, and significantly reduced risk of impact to those most vulnerable. In fact the most vulnerable (over 70) are all mostly retirees anyway. Lets protect them and assist them during this tough time rather than say lockdown the entire population?
Ali's Choice wrote:Can you please show us an example of a country or jurisdiction that has successfully slowed the spread COVID 19 using only localised lock-downs, rather than a more general approach?terryfinch wrote:Clogs wrote:We go into another lockdown from midnight tomorrow. 6 more weeks. Fvck!
In my opinion the wrong approach. This virus is now a fact of life. It doesn’t go away. Lockdown is too blunt an instrument. Track, trace and localised lockdowns (places of work, tower blocks, ....) seems the most practical way to go, keeping a lid on it that way. Wide scale lockdowns cause too much damage.
That is basically what most countries in Europe are now doing and they seem to be managing ok so far.Ali's Choice wrote:Can you please show us an example of a country or jurisdiction that has successfully slowed the spread COVID 19 using only localised lock-downs, rather than a more general approach?terryfinch wrote:Clogs wrote:We go into another lockdown from midnight tomorrow. 6 more weeks. Fvck!
In my opinion the wrong approach. This virus is now a fact of life. It doesn’t go away. Lockdown is too blunt an instrument. Track, trace and localised lockdowns (places of work, tower blocks, ....) seems the most practical way to go, keeping a lid on it that way. Wide scale lockdowns cause too much damage.