But I dont think we have an alternative. If we open up too early we risk the virus running free again. If we just let it go, we will see thousands die needlessly. We could try and protect the vulnerable, but pretty much every country (including our own) has failed miserably at that.Clogs wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:11 amThe lockdown regulations have been very effective in bringing the spread of the infection 'under control' (not eliminate, but 'under control'). Not sure if anyone can argue against that. Maybe Bimbo?Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:57 amI know you have been opposed to any form of lockdown or restriction from the very beginning, but will you at least concede that they have worked in controlling Victoria's 2nd wave?Clogs wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:51 amRight. So we are still in lockdown for 5 more weeks it seems. Pretty much back to exactly where we started with my original point to Crazy Islander. Thanks for your input. Invaluable.Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:32 amMy statement was 100% correct. Step 2 starts on Sept 28th and you know this. I never suggested it was radically different for people in Melbourne or that it will signal and end to your restrictions. However, on a more positive note the short term future is looking much brighter for regional Victoria including the major urban centres of Geelong, Ballarat and Bendigo.Clogs wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:22 am By all means my friend from far off distant Queensland, please expand on just how radically different step 2 on our roadmap is going to be for us? Are you suggesting that we will be out of lockdown?
Or will you concede that I am 100% correct in what I posted and that our lockdown continues on?
But it is a bit more complex than just being effective, this is because the lockdowns are also a crude, blunt instrument that have also damaged and destroyed many lives. And this is now widely acknowledged. Evidence of this can be found in many nations that are suffering their second wave (in some instances any more cases than the first wave) refusing to lockdown again, and if they are introducing some form of restriction it is nowhere near as draconian as what they introduced during their first wave, and are certainly a far cry from what we are enduring down here in Melbourne.
And we still have 5 more weeks of lockdown to go...
And while it kills the elderly, we are now seeing those that are younger suffering with long term symptoms such as fatigue, etc. And maybe the flu does this too, but we are seeing that Covid is roughly (based on CFR) 10 times worse. I dont think it an option.
So we need to go in to lockdown. Which sucks, and people are hurting. But what are the other options?
There are some serious questions to be asked about why we are where we are now, but the fact is we are, so we need to do what is needed to get out.