Re: Melbourne. UnFvcked. Almost
Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:31 am
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Your ABC led the news with the announcement that SA was on the brink of a second wave. They really have turned into a joke-shop. They then criticised (done with modulated tone of voice and ambience of delivery, so it reads clean on the transcript) the treasurer for bringing in a deficit budget. I can think of a few ways to save a few billion, starting with shutting down the biased ABC
Youre a fvcking parody of the right, they have programs in this country now for "the perennial outraged" and there is almost daily attacks on the ABC. Do us all favour and get a subscription, fark off there and when you get there fark off again.Ellafan wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:26 amYour ABC led the news with the announcement that SA was on the brink of a second wave. They really have turned into a joke-shop. They then criticised (done with modulated tone of voice and ambience of delivery, so it reads clean on the transcript) the treasurer for bringing in a deficit budget. I can think of a few ways to save a few billion, starting with shutting down the biased ABC
Other points:
A fellow student from Adelaide reported that her class mate "was crook all week, but only went for a test on Saturday." This kid's parents should be given a public flogging (metaphorically speaking).
SA has also eased back in some restrictions on private gatherings and activities without going all chicken little.
Another good way for the government sector generally to save billions, would be to get rid of local governments as a third, costly, and unnecessary tier of government. Imagine that, all those public employees with guaranteed incomes having to get a job in the private sector. I wonder if they'd be so quick to demand lock downs that wreck the economy, then.grievous wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:18 amYoure a fvcking parody of the right, they have programs in this country now for "the perennial outraged" and there is almost daily attacks on the ABC. Do us all favour and get a subscription, fark off there and when you get there fark off again.Ellafan wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:26 amYour ABC led the news with the announcement that SA was on the brink of a second wave. They really have turned into a joke-shop. They then criticised (done with modulated tone of voice and ambience of delivery, so it reads clean on the transcript) the treasurer for bringing in a deficit budget. I can think of a few ways to save a few billion, starting with shutting down the biased ABC
Other points:
A fellow student from Adelaide reported that her class mate "was crook all week, but only went for a test on Saturday." This kid's parents should be given a public flogging (metaphorically speaking).
SA has also eased back in some restrictions on private gatherings and activities without going all chicken little.
Oh and you forgot to mention 3 states closed their borders to SA immediately.
You might want to pick up that once respected broadsheet The Right Australian.Ellafan wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:39 amAnother good way for the government sector generally to save billions, would be to get rid of local governments as a third, costly, and unnecessary tier of government. Imagine that, all those public employees with guaranteed incomes having to get a job in the private sector. I wonder if they'd be so quick to demand lock downs that wreck the economy, then.grievous wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:18 amYoure a fvcking parody of the right, they have programs in this country now for "the perennial outraged" and there is almost daily attacks on the ABC. Do us all favour and get a subscription, fark off there and when you get there fark off again.Ellafan wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:26 amYour ABC led the news with the announcement that SA was on the brink of a second wave. They really have turned into a joke-shop. They then criticised (done with modulated tone of voice and ambience of delivery, so it reads clean on the transcript) the treasurer for bringing in a deficit budget. I can think of a few ways to save a few billion, starting with shutting down the biased ABC
Other points:
A fellow student from Adelaide reported that her class mate "was crook all week, but only went for a test on Saturday." This kid's parents should be given a public flogging (metaphorically speaking).
SA has also eased back in some restrictions on private gatherings and activities without going all chicken little.
Oh and you forgot to mention 3 states closed their borders to SA immediately.
I look forward to Clogs attacking Premier Marshal fir this lockdown as loudly and passionately as he attacked Dan Andrews. Failure to do so would make him a hypocrite.Farva wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:09 am SA going hard, its the right call IMO.
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavir ... e3cc065ae2
News Limited will be so confused, how much do they put the boot in to their Liberal Premier?Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:21 amI look forward to Clogs attacking Premier Marshal fir this lockdown as loudly and passionately as he attacked Dan Andrews. Failure to do so would make him a hypocrite.Farva wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:09 am SA going hard, its the right call IMO.
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavir ... e3cc065ae2
Hmm, I said on Monday they should go in to lockdown for a week like they have. The cluster was first found on Friday, so thats 72 hrs there. I dont think Monday is jumping the gun when it had then been 3 days. NZ reacted this way and found it worked. By Monday is was clearly much bigger than just one or two people (17 at that point, with hundreds of close contacts isolating).Sensible Stephen wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:06 am They did the sensible thing.
Unlike some on here were pushing, they didn't jump the gun, they did massive amounts of contact tracing. After 48 hours they found that the possible no. of contacts was beyond what could be managed, so called for this circuit breaker lockdown. 6 days + 8 days.
The SA Government has been pretty good in general. We didn't go into lockdown in March/April, this is the first time, so must be a serious concern it could run away from us.
Nah, you jumped the gun. Up until yesterday they thought lockdown could be avoided, but after contract tracing picked up the pizza place and then the mall, they had no choice.Farva wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 6:24 amHmm, I said on Monday they should go in to lockdown for a week like they have. The cluster was first found on Friday, so thats 72 hrs there. I dont think Monday is jumping the gun when it had then been 3 days. NZ reacted this way and found it worked. By Monday is was clearly much bigger than just one or two people (17 at that point, with hundreds of close contacts isolating).Sensible Stephen wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:06 am They did the sensible thing.
Unlike some on here were pushing, they didn't jump the gun, they did massive amounts of contact tracing. After 48 hours they found that the possible no. of contacts was beyond what could be managed, so called for this circuit breaker lockdown. 6 days + 8 days.
The SA Government has been pretty good in general. We didn't go into lockdown in March/April, this is the first time, so must be a serious concern it could run away from us.
Hmm, On Monday after 3 days of the outbreak and the outbreak getting beyond what everything I have read says the contact tracing can typically cope with. Ill stand by my position there. Hardly knee jerk, the contact tracing had gone for 3 days and was shown to be a very large outbreak.Farva wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:28 am Its now multiple households isnt it? And potentially hundreds of exposures.
The way NZ dealt with an outbreak like this was a short, sharp lockdown to make sure that no further exposures happened.
This isnt a little outbreak, its not one or two people. Its 17 at last count. And SA is open with no masks.
A week now might save 3 months later.
Yeah, well I will back the medical experts. Pretty sure they know what contract tracing can or can't do.Farva wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:05 amHmm, On Monday after 3 days of the outbreak and the outbreak getting beyond what everything I have read says the contact tracing can typically cope with. Ill stand by my position there. Hardly knee jerk, the contact tracing had gone for 3 days and was shown to be a very large outbreak.Farva wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:28 am Its now multiple households isnt it? And potentially hundreds of exposures.
The way NZ dealt with an outbreak like this was a short, sharp lockdown to make sure that no further exposures happened.
This isnt a little outbreak, its not one or two people. Its 17 at last count. And SA is open with no masks.
A week now might save 3 months later.
Perhaps NZ didn't have the infrastructure and people in place that SA does. Contract tracing has worked, all the way up to the 4th generation from Saturday. People panicking and getting tested when they weren't in the red zones or don't have symptoms and clogging up the testing stations has no effect on the people going around tracing all the infected peoples contacts.Farva wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:30 am Sure. Trust the experts. But they aren’t infallible on this. We in Vic ended up in lockdown because we were not conservative enough. You haven’t had to deal with that, you don’t know how bad it is. Disclaimer: it’s shite. I would do anything not to do that again. Vics experts got it wrong (granted SA has the benefit of seeing what happened here)
However, the experts in NZ suggested that an immediate lockdown in only 1/4 of the community transmission SA had when I made that post on Monday. We’re they wrong and SA right? NZ seemed to get it right given they squashed the virus with their actions.
And I am not sold on SAs contact tracing being there yet. Your testing facilities can’t handle the volume. I am talking to a mate over there right now. He was in a line for 6.5 hrs from 830am today only to be told the testing facility is closing. He is now an hour into another one. If the testing is not there how can the tracing be?
Anyway, the city has now locked down. It’s the right move.
I agree.
I am sure Clogs will support - because it's a fine tuned shutdown that leaves most of the economy intact. Supermarkets are not shut. The whole food chain is not shut. Most work (hospitality aside) continues.Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:21 amI look forward to Clogs attacking Premier Marshal fir this lockdown as loudly and passionately as he attacked Dan Andrews. Failure to do so would make him a hypocrite.Farva wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:09 am SA going hard, its the right call IMO.
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavir ... e3cc065ae2
What? 22, maybe 27, cases in the population of Adelaide? It's a statistical irrelevance.Farva wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:05 amHmm, On Monday after 3 days of the outbreak and the outbreak getting beyond what everything I have read says the contact tracing can typically cope with. Ill stand by my position there. Hardly knee jerk, the contact tracing had gone for 3 days and was shown to be a very large outbreak.Farva wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:28 am Its now multiple households isnt it? And potentially hundreds of exposures.
The way NZ dealt with an outbreak like this was a short, sharp lockdown to make sure that no further exposures happened.
This isnt a little outbreak, its not one or two people. Its 17 at last count. And SA is open with no masks.
A week now might save 3 months later.
What's your take on hydroxychloroquine?Ellafan wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 1:25 pmWhat? 22, maybe 27, cases in the population of Adelaide? It's a statistical irrelevance.Farva wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:05 amHmm, On Monday after 3 days of the outbreak and the outbreak getting beyond what everything I have read says the contact tracing can typically cope with. Ill stand by my position there. Hardly knee jerk, the contact tracing had gone for 3 days and was shown to be a very large outbreak.Farva wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:28 am Its now multiple households isnt it? And potentially hundreds of exposures.
The way NZ dealt with an outbreak like this was a short, sharp lockdown to make sure that no further exposures happened.
This isnt a little outbreak, its not one or two people. Its 17 at last count. And SA is open with no masks.
A week now might save 3 months later.
I'm guessing you neither own a business in, nor earn a living in, the hospitality sector. People are losing their life's work in small businesses, their jobs, homes and dreams due to the economic disaster knee jerk shutdowns have caused in this country.
Have some empathy for chissakes, and stop the panic talk.
Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:48 am It also highlights the gig-economy for what it is, a side-hustle, not a replacement for full-time work.
The above is a reference to criminal penalty, so that does not exclude other legal action, but query he has assets sufficient to make it worthwhile.SA Police will launch an investigation into the lie by a Woodville pizza bar worker that sparked SA's lockdown, which will now lift at midnight on Saturday. There are three new cases today, all in quarantine.
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However, the man will escape penalty because there is no available penalty for lying to contact tracers.
We don't have to wear masks in virus riddled Adelaide.
In fairness you are all a lot better looking than we are...Sensible Stephen wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:30 amWe don't have to wear masks in virus riddled Adelaide.
There is a fair bit to do. A week would do it. A few days shopping, dining etc and a few days down the great ocean road or wilsons prom. Then spend the other week travelling up the coast via Sydney to visit the reef.Jeff the Bear wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:39 am Genuine question, but is Melbourne any good to visit (post Covid)? The missus has a friend living there who can put us up, and we're thinking it will be the first place we ravel once everyone has been dosed up with a cure.
Is there enough to do for an entire week...two weeks?
We may be a hell hole, and disease ridden, and have dead bodies in our rivers, but we have the wine.Clogs wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:55 amThere is a fair bit to do. A week would do it. A few days shopping, dining etc and a few days down the great ocean road or wilsons prom. Then spend the other week travelling up the coast via Sydney to visit the reef.Jeff the Bear wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:39 am Genuine question, but is Melbourne any good to visit (post Covid)? The missus has a friend living there who can put us up, and we're thinking it will be the first place we ravel once everyone has been dosed up with a cure.
Is there enough to do for an entire week...two weeks?
Fvck Adelaide. Don't go there. Disease ridden hell hole.