Melbourne. Fvcked again. And again. And again.

[towny]

One for Clogs as I'm positive he's a fan:

[kiap]

Andrew Bolts?

[Pat the Ex Mat]

Andrew Bolts?

[Clogs]

Dan tells Sydney to go fvck itself. Hard border goes back up. Dan's approval rating in Victoria is now at 115.3%

[jdogscoop]

Melbourne has it all. /post.

[jdogscoop]

Andrew Bolts?

Got 'im yes.

[jdogscoop]

Dan tells Sydney to go fvck itself. Hard border goes back up. Dan's approval rating in Victoria is now at 115.3%

[jdogscoop]

Neighbours report Dan Andrews has been seen swigging from a bottle of Starward, pulling on one of Havana's finest and waltzing Catherine around his Melbourne living room.

[Clogs]

Neighbours report Dan Andrews has been seen swigging from a bottle of Starward, pulling on one of Havana's finest and waltzing Catherine around his Melbourne living room.

He will be absolutely positively turgid round about now. Keep those dirty cvnts out of our pristine city. Please. While you are at it Dan, ban those dirty queenslanders too. Just cos you can. Please.

[MungoMan]

I just watched ABC news online, and here's the Vic Health Minister sporting a North Face jacket.

Wt actual f? Is North Face the official sponsor of the Vic Government?

[Clogs]

I just watched ABC news online, and here's the Vic Health Minister sporting a North Face jacket.

Wt actual f? Is North Face the official sponsor of the Vic Government?

It is the Labor party's unofficial position to support their Labor brethren in third world countries like Viet Nam and Bangladesh by buying products manufactured there.

[MungoMan]

I just watched ABC news online, and here's the Vic Health Minister sporting a North Face jacket.

Wt actual f? Is North Face the official sponsor of the Vic Government?

It is the Labor party's unofficial position to support their Labor brethren in third world countries like Viet Nam and Bangladesh by buying products manufactured there.

Cultural marxism, as manifested in couture. By their brands shall ye know them.

[Ali's Choice]

The Inquiry into Victroia's hotel quarantine process has released its report. Highly critical of the Commonwealth government's lack of a plan for quarantining overseas arrivals. Apparently the Victorian govt was given 36 hours notice to develop a Hotel Quarantine framework from scratch, with zero guidance or support provided from the federal govt.

[Ellafan]

In the Guardian just now:

Justice for Jenny Mikakos!

No-one made the decision to use private security - they just treated it as a fait accomplis that they should do what the CFMEU wanted:

The final report of Victoria’s hotel quarantine inquiry has been released in two volumes at over 500 pages.

The immediate takeaway from the initial reading is the board’s chair, former judge Jennifer Coate, does not find anyone in the ministry or the public service ultimately responsible for the decision to use private security in hotel quarantine.

Ultimately, the evidence did not identify that any one person decided to engage private security in the program. However, there were clearly people who influenced the position that was found to have been adopted at the [state control centre] SCC meeting on the afternoon of 27 March 2020.”

The report finds that the then-chief commissioner of police Graham Ashton did express a preference to use private security, and that ultimately that set off the chain of events for private security to be used.

It had been a source of focus of the inquiry due to several security guards in the two hotels that had outbreaks of Covid-19 being linked to those outbreaks.

The report finds there was no consideration on 27 March of the respective merits of using private security or police or Australian Defence Force personnel in the hotels.
The report says the public will likely be shocked there was no rationale given on the date for using private security, or approval by upper levels of government, including the ministry.

The people of Victoria should understand, with clarity, how it was that such a decision to spend millions of dollars of public money came about. The people should be able to be satisfied that the action to proceed in this way was a considered one that addressed the benefits, risks and options available in arriving at such a decision. There was no evidence that any such considered process occurred, either on 27 March 2020 or in the days and weeks that followed, until the outbreaks occurred.”

Coate found premier Daniel Andrews, and former health minister Jenny Mikakos played no part in the decision to use private security, and while police minister Lisa Neville was aware of the proposal, the report found she was not responsible.

The report said jobs minister Martin Pakula “appears not to have been told” until after private security was engaged.

[kiwigreg369]

The Inquiry into Victroia's hotel quarantine process has released its report. Highly critical of the Commonwealth government's lack of a plan for quarantining overseas arrivals. Apparently the Victorian govt was given 36 hours notice to develop a Hotel Quarantine framework from scratch, with zero guidance or support provided from the federal govt.

amongst other things...

[Ellafan]

The people of Victoria should understand, with clarity, how it was that such a decision to spend millions of dollars of public money came about. The people should be able to be satisfied that the action to proceed in this way was a considered one that addressed the benefits, risks and options available in arriving at such a decision. There was no evidence that any such considered process occurred, either on 27 March 2020 or in the days and weeks that followed, until the outbreaks occurred.

This is a serious failure of governmental processes and oversight. Dan Andrews was not on top of this decision making process, nor had he considered any option other than sheepishly doing what the unions wanted.

If he is truly accountable, he should re-instate Mikalos, and fall on his sword.

[Clogs]

The Inquiry into Victroia's hotel quarantine process has released its report. Highly critical of the Commonwealth government's lack of a plan for quarantining overseas arrivals. Apparently the Victorian govt was given 36 hours notice to develop a Hotel Quarantine framework from scratch, with zero guidance or support provided from the federal govt.

Just as you suspected, it was all Scomo's fault.

[Clogs]

Ms Coate said the government’s decision-making process was at odds with the Westminster system principles of responsible government, made without proper analysis or clear rationale.

And given no one knew who made the decision, there was an obvious risk no one understood they were responsible for changing if it was wrong.

“That a decision of such significance for a government program, which ultimately involved the expenditure of tens of millions of dollars and the employment of thousands of people, had neither a responsible minister nor a transparent rationale for why that course was adopted, plainly does not seem to accord with those principles,” she said.

[Ali's Choice]

The people of Victoria should understand, with clarity, how it was that such a decision to spend millions of dollars of public money came about. The people should be able to be satisfied that the action to proceed in this way was a considered one that addressed the benefits, risks and options available in arriving at such a decision. There was no evidence that any such considered process occurred, either on 27 March 2020 or in the days and weeks that followed, until the outbreaks occurred.

This is a serious failure of governmental processes and oversight. Dan Andrews was not on top of this decision making process, nor had he considered any option other than sheepishly doing what the unions wanted.

If he is truly accountable, he should re-instate Mikalos, and fall on his sword.

Yesterday you were crying because you said posters were politicising the pandemic. Today you write this beauty of a post. Hypocrisy has a new name!

[Ali's Choice]

Ms Coate said the government’s decision-making process was at odds with the Westminster system principles of responsible government, made without proper analysis or clear rationale.

And given no one knew who made the decision, there was an obvious risk no one understood they were responsible for changing if it was wrong.

“That a decision of such significance for a government program, which ultimately involved the expenditure of tens of millions of dollars and the employment of thousands of people, had neither a responsible minister nor a transparent rationale for why that course was adopted, plainly does not seem to accord with those principles,” she said.

The reason why there was no Minister responsible is because international quarantine had previously been the sole responsibility of the Commonwealth. Scott Morrison shamefully abdicated this task, and gave the states 36 hours to set up a HQ framework from scratch. From memory he was on holiday with Jen and the girls at the time.

[Farva]

The people of Victoria should understand, with clarity, how it was that such a decision to spend millions of dollars of public money came about. The people should be able to be satisfied that the action to proceed in this way was a considered one that addressed the benefits, risks and options available in arriving at such a decision. There was no evidence that any such considered process occurred, either on 27 March 2020 or in the days and weeks that followed, until the outbreaks occurred.

This is a serious failure of governmental processes and oversight. Dan Andrews was not on top of this decision making process, nor had he considered any option other than sheepishly doing what the unions wanted.

If he is truly accountable, he should re-instate Mikalos, and fall on his sword.

What exactly is wrong with using private security? You are holding this up as a smoking gun. From my position its absolutely not.
I think it the right move. It negates the risk of the role being manipulated by government leaders or influential people. It also indemnifies the government against failure.
In this instance, the real culprit is the private security firms who failed. We should be chasing them. Why there isnt a civil lawsuit from the Vic Government is beyond me.

Anyway, private security is the solution across much of Australia for hotel quarantine. Arguing against it makes no sense.

[Ali's Choice]

The people of Victoria should understand, with clarity, how it was that such a decision to spend millions of dollars of public money came about. The people should be able to be satisfied that the action to proceed in this way was a considered one that addressed the benefits, risks and options available in arriving at such a decision. There was no evidence that any such considered process occurred, either on 27 March 2020 or in the days and weeks that followed, until the outbreaks occurred.

This is a serious failure of governmental processes and oversight. Dan Andrews was not on top of this decision making process, nor had he considered any option other than sheepishly doing what the unions wanted.

If he is truly accountable, he should re-instate Mikalos, and fall on his sword.

What exactly is wrong with using private security? You are holding this up as a smoking gun. From my position its absolutely not.
I think it the right move. It negates the risk of the role being manipulated by government leaders or influential people. It also indemnifies the government against failure.
In this instance, the real culprit is the private security firms who failed. We should be chasing them. Why there isnt a civil lawsuit from the Vic Government is beyond me.

Anyway, private security is the solution across much of Australia for hotel quarantine. Arguing against it makes no sense.

3600 private security guards work in the NSW HQ program and 1800 work in QLD's program. They are the backbone of both state's hotel quarantine frameworks.

[Ellafan]

The people of Victoria should understand, with clarity, how it was that such a decision to spend millions of dollars of public money came about. The people should be able to be satisfied that the action to proceed in this way was a considered one that addressed the benefits, risks and options available in arriving at such a decision. There was no evidence that any such considered process occurred, either on 27 March 2020 or in the days and weeks that followed, until the outbreaks occurred.

This is a serious failure of governmental processes and oversight. Dan Andrews was not on top of this decision making process, nor had he considered any option other than sheepishly doing what the unions wanted.

If he is truly accountable, he should re-instate Mikalos, and fall on his sword.

What exactly is wrong with using private security? You are holding this up as a smoking gun. From my position its absolutely not.
I think it the right move. It negates the risk of the role being manipulated by government leaders or influential people. It also indemnifies the government against failure.
In this instance, the real culprit is the private security firms who failed. We should be chasing them. Why there isnt a civil lawsuit from the Vic Government is beyond me.

Anyway, private security is the solution across much of Australia for hotel quarantine. Arguing against it makes no sense.

Becoz you are trying to argue as if there was a decision made after a proper consideration process, and -

(a) There was no consideration at all. Apparently the decision just made itself, within 27 minutes of the national cabinet meeting on 27 March. (I think the people responsible lied to the enquiry about this - how could no-one make the decison to spend $millions??).

(b) It was a product of the risk of governmental policy and decisons being determined by the trade unions instead of the elected officials. Public servants do not decide policy, they just implement it. Trade Union officials should not tell the elected government what to do - especially the corrupt CFMEU.

(c) purging poor blameless Jenny Mikalos as a sacrificial lamb was a disgraceful act by Dictator Dan. Shame Dan, shame.

[Ali's Choice]

The people of Victoria should understand, with clarity, how it was that such a decision to spend millions of dollars of public money came about. The people should be able to be satisfied that the action to proceed in this way was a considered one that addressed the benefits, risks and options available in arriving at such a decision. There was no evidence that any such considered process occurred, either on 27 March 2020 or in the days and weeks that followed, until the outbreaks occurred.

This is a serious failure of governmental processes and oversight. Dan Andrews was not on top of this decision making process, nor had he considered any option other than sheepishly doing what the unions wanted.

If he is truly accountable, he should re-instate Mikalos, and fall on his sword.

What exactly is wrong with using private security? You are holding this up as a smoking gun. From my position its absolutely not.
I think it the right move. It negates the risk of the role being manipulated by government leaders or influential people. It also indemnifies the government against failure.
In this instance, the real culprit is the private security firms who failed. We should be chasing them. Why there isnt a civil lawsuit from the Vic Government is beyond me.

Anyway, private security is the solution across much of Australia for hotel quarantine. Arguing against it makes no sense.

Becoz you are trying to argue as if there was a decision made after a proper consideration process, and -

(a) There was no consideration at all. Apparently the decision just made itself, within 27 minutes of the national cabinet meeting on 27 March. (I think the people responsible lied to the enquiry about this - how could no-one make the decison to spend $millions??).

(b) It was a product of the risk of governmental policy and decisons being determined by the trade unions instead of the elected officials. Public servants do not decide policy, they just implement it. Trade Union officials should not tell the elected government what to do - especially the corrupt CFMEU.

(c) purging poor blameless Jenny Mikalos as a sacrificial lamb was a disgraceful act by Dictator Dan. Shame Dan, shame.

Trade Unions? Dictator Dan? Just yesterday you attacked a poster for referring to a journalist as a "News Ltd stooge", and yet today you're coming up with shit like this?

[Ellafan]

3600 private security guards work in the NSW HQ program and 1800 work in QLD's program. They are the backbone of both state's hotel quarantine frameworks.

Properly instructed personnel, who, for example, manage to restrain themselves from bonking the quarantinees.

If you read the evidence statements I linked here a while back, you would know that the word went out from Dan's offsider to a labour party mate before the national cabinet meeting finished, who immediately emailed his casual pub/concert bouncers to put the 'roids down and do a quick covid online instruction module that took all of 10 minutes... so he could claim to have trained staff & get a contract from the government.

This was just snouts in the trough stuff, and the Victorian, and National , economies lost $billons because of it.

[Ellafan]

yet today you're coming up with shit like this?

I am just borrowing some lines from the AC school of debating technique.

[Ali's Choice]

3600 private security guards work in the NSW HQ program and 1800 work in QLD's program. They are the backbone of both state's hotel quarantine frameworks.

Properly instructed personnel, who, for example, manage to restrain themselves from bonking the quarantinees.

If you read the evidence statements I linked here a while back, you would know that the word went out from Dan's offsider to a labour party mate before the national cabinet meeting finished, who immediately emailed his casual pub/concert bouncers to put the 'roids down and do a quick covid online instruction module that took all of 10 minutes... so he could claim to have trained staff & get a contract from the government.

This was just snouts in the trough stuff, and the Victorian, and National , economies lost $billons because of it.

Are you okay? You're posting is utterly unhinged today. The "bonking" security guards lie was exposed as a News Ltd-created myth months ago. Yet here you are today still perpetuating it. Are you a conspiracy theorist lunatic?

[Ali's Choice]

yet today you're coming up with shit like this?

I am just borrowing some lines from the AC school of debating technique.

I'm happy for you to be as partisan as you like. Just don't cry so much when posters do the same

You tearfully demanded that posters don't "politicise a pandemic" when your beloved PM and Federal government have spent the entire year politicising this pandemic.

[Ellafan]

If you read the evidence statements I linked here a while back, you would know that the word went out from Dan's offsider to a labour party mate before the national cabinet meeting finished,

I guess that is one of those inconvenient facts that you won't/can't address.

[Farva]

The people of Victoria should understand, with clarity, how it was that such a decision to spend millions of dollars of public money came about. The people should be able to be satisfied that the action to proceed in this way was a considered one that addressed the benefits, risks and options available in arriving at such a decision. There was no evidence that any such considered process occurred, either on 27 March 2020 or in the days and weeks that followed, until the outbreaks occurred.

This is a serious failure of governmental processes and oversight. Dan Andrews was not on top of this decision making process, nor had he considered any option other than sheepishly doing what the unions wanted.

If he is truly accountable, he should re-instate Mikalos, and fall on his sword.

What exactly is wrong with using private security? You are holding this up as a smoking gun. From my position its absolutely not.
I think it the right move. It negates the risk of the role being manipulated by government leaders or influential people. It also indemnifies the government against failure.
In this instance, the real culprit is the private security firms who failed. We should be chasing them. Why there isnt a civil lawsuit from the Vic Government is beyond me.

Anyway, private security is the solution across much of Australia for hotel quarantine. Arguing against it makes no sense.

Becoz you are trying to argue as if there was a decision made after a proper consideration process, and -

(a) There was no consideration at all. Apparently the decision just made itself, within 27 minutes of the national cabinet meeting on 27 March. (I think the people responsible lied to the enquiry about this - how could no-one make the decison to spend $millions??).

(b) It was a product of the risk of governmental policy and decisons being determined by the trade unions instead of the elected officials. Public servants do not decide policy, they just implement it. Trade Union officials should not tell the elected government what to do - especially the corrupt CFMEU.

(c) purging poor blameless Jenny Mikalos as a sacrificial lamb was a disgraceful act by Dictator Dan. Shame Dan, shame.

Is there anything that says the CFMEU were involved at all?
And government departments are exactly there to make the decisions on how to spend money.
The policy here is to require hotel quarantine. That was decided by the government. The logistics are then decided by the heads of department, who, incidentally, are politically neutral and the same people will be there before and after elections.

[Ali's Choice]

Is there anything that says the CFMEU were involved at all?

Nope, the only person mentioning the CFMEU is Sluggy.

[kiwigreg369]

Given 800 people died i'd say AC & Ella looks like proper dicks taking this type of approach - thinking they're some form of internet debating gaints.

[Ali's Choice]

Given 800 people died i'd say AC & Ella looks like proper dicks taking this type of approach - thinking they're some form of internet debating gaints.

Strange post. Ella Fan is the one going on about the CFMEU and bonking security guards. I'm simply discussing the content of the actual report that was delivered today.

[kiwigreg369]

Given 800 people died i'd say AC & Ella looks like proper dicks taking this type of approach - thinking they're some form of internet debating gaints.

Strange post. Ella Fan is the one going on about the CFMEU and bonking security guards. I'm simply discussing the content of the actual report that was delivered today.

800 people ... and that's your reply. You both being cnuts and taking views on what you want from the report and general press.

You're both being dicks.

800 people.

[Ellafan]

Is there anything that says the CFMEU were involved at all?

Nope, the only person mentioning the CFMEU is Sluggy.

Mate, I'm just adopting your methods.

Consider it a form of homage.

[Ali's Choice]

Is there anything that says the CFMEU were involved at all?

Nope, the only person mentioning the CFMEU is Sluggy.

Mate, I'm just adopting your methods.

Consider it a form of homage.

It's great mate, keep it up. Just watched the Victorian Police Shadow Spokesperson give a lengthy interview on Sky News and whist he was batshit crazy, even he didn't mention the CFMEU or bonking bouncers. You've gone next level, and I like it. We haven't had a decent RWNJ on this forum since Seneca left. Mighty Reds tries but he doesn't post enough and he's also too weird to get any cut-through.

[Ellafan]

Given 800 people died i'd say AC & Ella looks like proper dicks taking this type of approach - thinking they're some form of internet debating gaints.

Strange post. Ella Fan is the one going on about the CFMEU and bonking security guards. I'm simply discussing the content of the actual report that was delivered today.

800 people ... and that's your reply. You both being cnuts and taking views on what you want from the report and general press.

You're both being dicks.

800 people.

I'm just following AC's lead when it comes to reading reports.

[Clogs]

1 Victorian now infected from this Sydney clvsterfvck.


And so it begins.

[Clogs]

I have it on good authority that Dan is about to re-introduce face masks at all times everywhere. This will happen on the 24th of December midnight. He is also considering re-introducing the ring of steel around Melbourne but he needed more ADF support. From Boxing Day Victoria Police will have additional powers to arrest and detain for testing any vehicle with a NSW registration. The only exception to this rule will be NSW registered Great Wall vehicles. They are exempt.

[Farva]

Possibly the best thing to come out of Covid

https://youtu.be/UONGxcKJ5gY