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Muttonbirds wrote:Also, there's not much point in having Melbourne at L4 and the rest of VIC at L3 unless there is a hard border around the city. :?
Sure there is. The point is to control flow from areas of high infection to low infection. L4 achieves that by requiring people to stay close to their homes.
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State of Disaster announced.

More police powers
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Pat the Ex Mat wrote:State of Disaster announced.

More police powers
Do they have the power to hang some security guards from a few light poles, pour encourager les autres?
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Stage 3 out here where I am, that’ll make it hard to keep on working but will have to wait for tomorrow’s presser to see what that really means for regional Victoria but I expect work to dry up somewhat. Just got back to getting a few decent jobs on the books too. Bugger.
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Still allowed to go to work? Madness!
The only reason to be out of your home between the hours of 8pm and 5am is to get care, to give care, or to go to and from work or be at work.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/a ... d=12353041
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Pat the Ex Mat wrote:State of Disaster announced.

More police powers

Please tell me that includes the power to shoot on site the anti vaxxing anti masking conspiracy idiots. Please.
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trapper wrote:Stage 3 out here where I am, that’ll make it hard to keep on working but will have to wait for tomorrow’s presser to see what that really means for regional Victoria but I expect work to dry up somewhat. Just got back to getting a few decent jobs on the books too. Bugger.

Stay safe you might be able to get out and do some Tuna fishing...
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Clogs wrote:
Working Class Rugger wrote:
Clogs wrote:
Salient wrote:
sonic_attack wrote:1 in 4 is pretty damning. If people aren't prepared to play the game in a relatively easy scenario I don't see how you get ahead.
Meanwhile in Queensland the three chicks who lied about their trip to Melbourne are getting kicked about because of their race apparently. Yeah it's not like we have a spreading issue due to these three bints or anything. Triple J can fudge right off with their WOKE agenda.

Still waiting on a certain ex NRL player to announce that God's wraith had descended on Melbourne :nod:

What the fvck has their race got to do with it?
Apparently they are being targeted and discriminated against because of it.

Ah. So that is the reason they are being targeted. Broken racist Australia.
Apparently. Not their flagrant flouting of the measures put in place to prevent further spread of Covid into the Queensland community. Clearly planned out efforts at that. They're not being held accountable for that. It's because they're black. Must be.
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Ellafan wrote:
Pat the Ex Mat wrote:State of Disaster announced.

More police powers
Do they have the power to hang some security guards from a few light poles, pour encourager les autres?
Sound thinking. Please accept my subscription to your newsletter.
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Working Class Rugger wrote:
Clogs wrote:
Working Class Rugger wrote:
Clogs wrote:
Salient wrote:
Meanwhile in Queensland the three chicks who lied about their trip to Melbourne are getting kicked about because of their race apparently. Yeah it's not like we have a spreading issue due to these three bints or anything. Triple J can fudge right off with their WOKE agenda.

Still waiting on a certain ex NRL player to announce that God's wraith had descended on Melbourne :nod:

What the fvck has their race got to do with it?
Apparently they are being targeted and discriminated against because of it.

Ah. So that is the reason they are being targeted. Broken racist Australia.
Apparently. Not their flagrant flouting of the measures put int place to prevent further spread of Covid into the Queensland community. Clearly planned out efforts at that. Their not being held accountable for that. It's because they're black. Must be.

Nope. Dragging race into it is a shitty misrepresentation. They’ve been singled out by a rabid media and doxxed while others perhaps more wealthy or able to defend themselves who have shown similar disrespect for isolation rules are ignored. Take Kerry Stokes as an example.
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Muttonbirds wrote:Still allowed to go to work? Madness!
The only reason to be out of your home between the hours of 8pm and 5am is to get care, to give care, or to go to and from work or be at work.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/a ... d=12353041
The types of workplace that will be operating is also subject to Chief Health Officer directions. The curfew exemption merely assumes someone somewhere will-or should be-lawfully be working during the hours of curfew. Emergency services, hospital and aged care home staff and suchlike spring to mind.

But you would have concluded that all by yourself had there been a hint of good faith or basic analysis behind your post.

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Ellafan wrote:
Pat the Ex Mat wrote:State of Disaster announced.

More police powers
Do they have the power to hang some security guards from a few light poles, pour encourager les autres?
Is most of this problem originating from those guards who were receiving favours?

Hanging seems too good if so - unless by the balls
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MungoMan wrote:
Muttonbirds wrote:Still allowed to go to work? Madness!
The only reason to be out of your home between the hours of 8pm and 5am is to get care, to give care, or to go to and from work or be at work.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/a ... d=12353041
The types of workplace that will be operating is also subject to Chief Health Officer directions. The curfew exemption merely assumes someone somewhere will-or should be-lawfully be working during the hours of curfew. Emergency services, hospital and aged care home staff and suchlike spring to mind.

But you would have concluded that all by yourself had there been a hint of good faith or basic analysis behind your post.

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Muttonturds is an absolute fvcktard. How dare people go to work in essential industries, LIKE THEY FVCKING DID IN NZ TOO.

You know, I wonder why we have been labouring under Chief Health Officer, Professor Brett Sutton, when this useless cvnt could have flown over the ditch and given us his reckons instead.
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Enzedder wrote:
Ellafan wrote:
Pat the Ex Mat wrote:State of Disaster announced.

More police powers
Do they have the power to hang some security guards from a few light poles, pour encourager les autres?
Is most of this problem originating from those guards who were receiving favours?

Hanging seems too good if so - unless by the balls
The hotel quarantine debacle was the source of the second outbreak, yes.

It then blew out in the outer suburbs and essential industries like meat works and aged care, where casual workers had no sick leave and couldn't afford to take time off.
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Ah, it's good that zero hours contracts have come back to bite employers in the arse. Perhaps the only good thing in this whole sorry saga
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Enzedder wrote:
Ellafan wrote:
Pat the Ex Mat wrote:State of Disaster announced.

More police powers
Do they have the power to hang some security guards from a few light poles, pour encourager les autres?
Is most of this problem originating from those guards who were receiving favours?

Hanging seems too good if so - unless by the balls
You wonder how many of these security guards this originated from too. They cant all be ropey drongoes being all matey with the quarantinee's.

Quite a massive cockup as far as cockups go and a good lesson for everyone else.
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UncleFB wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
towny wrote:Sweden cruising these days! Beach was packed today. Well, the sandy bit next to the lake anyway. Masks, shmasks. No one wears those bastards. Guess we hit the nerd immunity or something - sort your shit out Australia.
I was going to post an article about how Sweden seems to be one of the only countries to not be looking at a 2nd peak right now. Of course any final outcomes are far from certain.It seems changing behaviour, especially in public t keep up social distancing is a bigger factor than lockdowns.
Is that true? They don't seem to have a lower number of new cases than their nordic neighbours over the last few days.
It's not numbers but about spikes. Sweden post european lockdowns are seeing numbers spike upwards again.

https://www.newsweek.com/sweden-which-n ... ke-1521626

Amid fears over a potential second wave of the novel coronavirus across Europe, new infections in Sweden, where full lockdown measures were not implemented, have mostly declined since late June.

The number of new cases per 100,000 people in Sweden reported over the last 14 days since July 29 dropped by 54 percent from the figure reported over 14 days prior to then, according to the latest report Wednesday from the World Health Organization (WHO).

Meanwhile, other parts of Europe have reported large spikes in new cases over the same period, including Spain, France, Germany, Belgium and The Netherlands, which have seen increases between 40 and 200 percent over the last month, according to the latest WHO report Wednesday.


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The seven-day rolling average of Sweden's daily new cases has been dropping consistently since June 29. Its daily case count has been mostly decreasing since June 24, when it reported 1,803 new infections, its largest single-day spike since the outbreak began, according to data compiled by Worldometer.

The seven-day rolling average of daily new deaths in Sweden has also been declining since around April 15, when it reported a record daily death count of 115. The country's latest seven-day rolling averages for daily new cases and daily new deaths stand at 154 and 2.


However, the Scandinavian nation ranks eighth among countries with the highest number of COVID-19 deaths per 100,000 people. It outranks the U.S. and Brazil, which are the world's first and second worst-hit nations in terms of total cases, according to Johns Hopkins University.

Stockholm, Sweden, July 202
People in Stockholm, the capital of Sweden, where a lockdown was never issued, pictured on July 27, 2020.
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Last week Anders Tegnell, the chief epidemiologist at Sweden's public health agency, who has led the country's COVID-19 response, said the nation's controversial anti-lockdown strategy has been a success "to a great extent," in an interview with UnHerd.

While an official lockdown was never ordered, Tegnell noted: "We have cut down on movement in society quite a lot. We have compared how much we travel in Scandinavian countries, and the decrease in travel is the same in Sweden as in neighbouring countries. In many ways the voluntary measures we put in place in Sweden have been just as effective as complete lockdowns in other countries.

"We are now seeing rapidly falling cases, we have continuously had healthcare that has been working, there have been free beds at any given time, never any crowding in the hospitals.

"The failure [of the strategy] has of course been the death toll…that has been very much related to the long-term care facilities in Sweden. Now that has improved, we see a lot less cases in those facilities," Tegnell said.

When asked whether having a lockdown in Sweden could have made a difference on the impact of the outbreak, Tegnell told UnHerd: "It would have made maybe some difference, we don't know…we also have to look at what are the negative effect of lockdowns, and that has not been done very much so far."


The graphic below, provided by Statista, illustrates the number of new COVID-19 cases in the U.S. states and the European Union.

New COVID-19 cases in U.S. vs EU
Average number of new COVID-19 cases in the U.S. and the European Union.
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Sweden has reported nearly 79,800 confirmed cases, as of Thursday, according to Johns Hopkins University. Last month, Sweden was the second most-infected country per capita in the world.


Instead of a lockdown, Sweden aimed to develop "herd immunity," hoping that an increased number of people exposed to the virus will help to prevent a second wave of infections.

Several academics as well as teachers and parents in Sweden have previously spoken out against the country's anti-lockdown strategy and the risks imposed on children's health, among other issues.

As of Thursday, there are nearly 1.8 million (1,704,897) confirmed cases reported in the European Union/European Economic Area and the U.K., according to the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC).


More than 17 million people globally have been infected since the virus was first reported in Wuhan, China, including over 4.4 million in the U.S. Over 9.9 million globally have reportedly recovered from infection, while over 667,600 have died, as of Thursday, according to the latest figures from Johns Hopkins University.

The graphic below, provided by Statista, illustrates U.S. states with more than 100 COVID-19 cases per 100,000 people in the past week.
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jdogscoop wrote:
Enzedder wrote:
Ellafan wrote:
Pat the Ex Mat wrote:State of Disaster announced.

More police powers
Do they have the power to hang some security guards from a few light poles, pour encourager les autres?
Is most of this problem originating from those guards who were receiving favours?

Hanging seems too good if so - unless by the balls
The hotel quarantine debacle was the source of the second outbreak, yes.

It then blew out in the outer suburbs and essential industries like meat works and aged care, where casual workers had no sick leave and couldn't afford to take time off.
It wasn't the only source of the outbreak. The initial outbreak wasn't totally controlled. More testing has just revealed what was hidden.
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CrazyIslander wrote:
jdogscoop wrote:
Enzedder wrote:
Ellafan wrote:
Pat the Ex Mat wrote:State of Disaster announced.

More police powers
Do they have the power to hang some security guards from a few light poles, pour encourager les autres?
Is most of this problem originating from those guards who were receiving favours?

Hanging seems too good if so - unless by the balls
The hotel quarantine debacle was the source of the second outbreak, yes.

It then blew out in the outer suburbs and essential industries like meat works and aged care, where casual workers had no sick leave and couldn't afford to take time off.
It wasn't the only source of the outbreak. The initial outbreak wasn't totally controlled. More testing has just revealed what was hidden.
Can we agree on "all but controlled", Prof Sutton? We were recording 0 case days last month.
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So you're putting all this down yo the hotels?
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eldanielfire wrote:
towny wrote:Sweden cruising these days! Beach was packed today. Well, the sandy bit next to the lake anyway. Masks, shmasks. No one wears those bastards. Guess we hit the nerd immunity or something - sort your shit out Australia.
I was going to post an article about how Sweden seems to be one of the only countries to not be looking at a 2nd peak right now. Of course any final outcomes are far from certain.It seems changing behaviour, especially in public t keep up social distancing is a bigger factor than lockdowns.
You think they are socially distancing here? I’ve seen buffet breakfasts and full bars full of drinkers. There is almost no visible effort or sacrifice in the country.
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Blackrock Bullet wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
towny wrote:Sweden cruising these days! Beach was packed today. Well, the sandy bit next to the lake anyway. Masks, shmasks. No one wears those bastards. Guess we hit the nerd immunity or something - sort your shit out Australia.
I was going to post an article about how Sweden seems to be one of the only countries to not be looking at a 2nd peak right now. Of course any final outcomes are far from certain.It seems changing behaviour, especially in public t keep up social distancing is a bigger factor than lockdowns.
Surprised there's an article about it, you rarely hear about them these days...I wonder why.
Probably because it’s summer and no one does a lick of work in July, including the journalists.
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MungoMan wrote:
Muttonbirds wrote:Still allowed to go to work? Madness!
The only reason to be out of your home between the hours of 8pm and 5am is to get care, to give care, or to go to and from work or be at work.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/a ... d=12353041
The types of workplace that will be operating is also subject to Chief Health Officer directions. The curfew exemption merely assumes someone somewhere will-or should be-lawfully be working during the hours of curfew. Emergency services, hospital and aged care home staff and suchlike spring to mind.

But you would have concluded that all by yourself had there been a hint of good faith or basic analysis behind your post.

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:?

It will be interesting what he has to say about 'permitted work' tomorrow.
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Stupidity is colourblind. They deserve the wrath far more than Karen from Bunnings.
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CrazyIslander wrote:So you're putting all this down yo the hotels?
Not long after new cases started appearing in Vic, Vic Health reported that genomic testing showed the virus present in the new cases was the same strain as that found in the hotel quarantine residents but a different strain to that which had previously been circulating in Vic.

So, yep. The recent outbreak is traceable back to breaches in quarantine protocols, with the strain of virus responsible originating more recently. That is, directly or indirectly by way of an overseas visitor or (more likely) returnee.
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MungoMan wrote:
CrazyIslander wrote:So you're putting all this down yo the hotels?
Not long after new cases started appearing in Vic, Vic Health reported that genomic testing showed the virus present in the new cases was the same strain as that found in the hotel quarantine residents but a different strain to that which had previously been circulating in Vic.

So, yep. The recent outbreak is traceable back to breaches in quarantine protocols, with the strain of virus responsible originating more recently. That is, directly or indirectly by way of an overseas visitor or (more likely) returnee.
Yes, and The Age certainly would suggest that is the case too.
By June 29, new cases have hit 75. On July 2, Andrews announces a judicial inquiry into the hotel quarantine system, admitting the virus had escaped two hotels via security guards and caused seeding of clusters in Melbourne’s ethnically diverse and, in some pockets, socially disadvantaged northern and western suburbs. Victoria’s Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton later says it is possible every one of the state’s recent COVID cases could be sourced to the hotel quarantine program.
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Who would have thought putting poorly trained and paid security guards on the job would go wrong. Managers can be awful stupid but when it comes to blame they exceed all expectations
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Enzedder wrote:
Ellafan wrote:
Pat the Ex Mat wrote:State of Disaster announced.

More police powers
Do they have the power to hang some security guards from a few light poles, pour encourager les autres?
Is most of this problem originating from those guards who were receiving favours?

Hanging seems too good if so - unless by the balls
Yes. It is assumed that the majority of, if not every current case in Victoria (and therefore Queensland) have come from the hotel quarantine incident

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.abc ... e/12471916

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EverReady wrote:Who would have thought putting poorly trained and paid security guards on the job would go wrong. Managers can be awful stupid but when it comes to blame they exceed all expectations
Our society’s push for ‘efficiency’ over ‘effectiveness’ is the root cause of so many problems. It cripples companies, governments and systems.
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towny wrote:
EverReady wrote:Who would have thought putting poorly trained and paid security guards on the job would go wrong. Managers can be awful stupid but when it comes to blame they exceed all expectations
Our society’s push for ‘efficiency’ over ‘effectiveness’ is the root cause of so many problems. It cripples companies, governments and systems.
With a Labor government it's also being speculated they turned down the ADF/Police assistance due to the jobs jobs jobs nature of the private approach.
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towny wrote:
EverReady wrote:Who would have thought putting poorly trained and paid security guards on the job would go wrong. Managers can be awful stupid but when it comes to blame they exceed all expectations
Our society’s push for ‘efficiency’ over ‘effectiveness’ is the root cause of so many problems. It cripples companies, governments and systems.
We've had the same. Statements like 'an agency security guard would cost half of the price and they could sanitise all the touch points just as effectively'. Some of that statement is correct
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Will this all sucks.
But hopefully we hit it hard now and are out the other end sooner rather than later.
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jdogscoop wrote:
towny wrote:
EverReady wrote:Who would have thought putting poorly trained and paid security guards on the job would go wrong. Managers can be awful stupid but when it comes to blame they exceed all expectations
Our society’s push for ‘efficiency’ over ‘effectiveness’ is the root cause of so many problems. It cripples companies, governments and systems.
With a Labor government it's also being speculated they turned down the ADF/Police assistance due to the jobs jobs jobs nature of the private approach.
Not to mention the guards were on Jobkeeper while being paid cash in hand. And the company was billing for 8 guards when only 2 were on site.
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Cullen wrote: Not to mention the guards were on Jobkeeper while being paid cash in hand. And the company was billing for 8 guards when only 2 were on site.
That isn't a Labor issue.
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jdogscoop wrote:
towny wrote:
EverReady wrote:Who would have thought putting poorly trained and paid security guards on the job would go wrong. Managers can be awful stupid but when it comes to blame they exceed all expectations
Our society’s push for ‘efficiency’ over ‘effectiveness’ is the root cause of so many problems. It cripples companies, governments and systems.
With a Labor government it's also being speculated they turned down the ADF/Police assistance due to the jobs jobs jobs nature of the private approach.
Blah, blah, blah...

It’s not a political party - it’s almost everywhere and in everything.
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jdogscoop wrote:
towny wrote:
EverReady wrote:Who would have thought putting poorly trained and paid security guards on the job would go wrong. Managers can be awful stupid but when it comes to blame they exceed all expectations
Our society’s push for ‘efficiency’ over ‘effectiveness’ is the root cause of so many problems. It cripples companies, governments and systems.
With a Labor government it's also being speculated they turned down the ADF/Police assistance due to the jobs jobs jobs nature of the private approach.
If Vic Labor is tolerably similar to Old Labor, likely a factor; but not the only factor.

ALP parliamentarians and their advisors generally take belief in Market Magic and the Competition Fairy as items of faith. Whatever is problem, the market is the answer.
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Pat the Ex Mat wrote:
Cullen wrote: Not to mention the guards were on Jobkeeper while being paid cash in hand. And the company was billing for 8 guards when only 2 were on site.
That isn't a Labor issue.
No. It’s fraud.
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MungoMan wrote:
jdogscoop wrote:
towny wrote:
EverReady wrote:Who would have thought putting poorly trained and paid security guards on the job would go wrong. Managers can be awful stupid but when it comes to blame they exceed all expectations
Our society’s push for ‘efficiency’ over ‘effectiveness’ is the root cause of so many problems. It cripples companies, governments and systems.
With a Labor government it's also being speculated they turned down the ADF/Police assistance due to the jobs jobs jobs nature of the private approach.
If Vic Labor is tolerably similar to Old Labor, likely a factor; but not the only factor.

ALP parliamentarians and their advisors generally take belief in Market Magic and the Competition Fairy as items of faith. Whatever is problem, the market is the answer.
Let’s say the market actually is the answer. You can only use that ‘ideology’ if you account for risk. The Vic economy will lose tens of billions of dollars, plus lots of sick and dead people, because some people tried to save tens of thousands. We see this in every company. Think of the HR Depts that seek departmental efficiencies that increase burden on other departments that actually make the company money. Hooray for the HR manager - give that plum more money. Fml
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towny wrote:
jdogscoop wrote:
towny wrote:
EverReady wrote:Who would have thought putting poorly trained and paid security guards on the job would go wrong. Managers can be awful stupid but when it comes to blame they exceed all expectations
Our society’s push for ‘efficiency’ over ‘effectiveness’ is the root cause of so many problems. It cripples companies, governments and systems.
With a Labor government it's also being speculated they turned down the ADF/Police assistance due to the jobs jobs jobs nature of the private approach.
Blah, blah, blah...

It’s not a political party - it’s almost everywhere and in everything.
Though I've voted on both sides, I've most often voted Labor. This is a facts thing, not a political thing.
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Re: Melbourne. Fvcked.

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Apologies if I misquoted you. I didn’t mean to sound nearly as rude as I did.
I personally think party politics is irrelevant with this subject.
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