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So basically NZR's review into the game in NZ has found that Super Rugby in its former structure is not sustaiable

The proposal is for SR to be replaced by a Trans-Tasman comp, with a Fijian based team also an option. SANZAAR would continue to exist, but it would only run the profitable Rugby Championship.

Many of us have been calling for such a format for many years, and I would personally welcome such a structure.
'Aratipu' review: New Zealand Rugby set to ditch SANZAAR, Super Rugby - report
8 Jul, 2020 7:40am 2 minutes to read

Rugby's 'Aratipu' review wants Super Rugby scrapped in favour of a transtasman competition, according to a report.

The new competition would also include "a team from the Pacific", while SANZAAR – the southern hemisphere's governing body at the moment – would be left to run the Rugby Championship involving the test teams, Mediaworks reports.

Super Rugby was to have proceeded with teams from New Zealand, Australia, South Africa and Argentina, following the axing of Japan's Sunwolves from 2021.

But Mediaworks says sources have revealed "SANZAAR's days of running the (Super Rugby) competition appear to be over from next year".

"Southern hemisphere rugby's united front could soon be over," it stated.

New Zealand Rugby announced in April that it would expand an existing review into Super Rugby.

Named Aratipu, and chaired by Don Mackinnon from the Blues, it appeared to signal that some radical changes may be on the horizon.

Aratipu also wants any new competition to feed into a bigger international tournament, the report claims. That might involve the winners going into playoffs against the champions from other countries.

"As long as it keeps the qualities that are making this competition really successful," Blues coach Leon Macdonald was quoted as saying.

"We remain very positive about that," Marinos told Stuff. "Obviously the biggest elephant ... in the room is what sort of restrictions that could come in.

"But we are certainly very positive as a group to deliver a Rugby Championship this year in whichever market we can, where we can get all the teams in and get the competition underway.

"At this stage we are looking at the back-end of October, into November and probably early December."

Marinos added that a "bubble" arrangement, where the teams would be based in one country after they met quarantine requirements, was a possibility although nothing had been decided yet.

Marinos said Sanzaar is also planning on continuing the usual cross-border Super Rugby competition next year, despite Kiwi and Aussie officials suggesting only a transtasman season would be possible.

"Sanzaar, as a joint venture, remain committed to working together," he said.

"Whilst we appreciate coming out of 2020 is going to be slightly different, we are busy working through those permutations."
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Ali's Choice wrote:So basically NZR's review into the game in NZ has found that Super Rugby in its former structure is not sustaiable

The proposal is for SR to be replaced by a Trans-Tasman comp, with a Fijian based team also an option. SANZAAR would continue to exist, but it would only run the profitable Rugby Championship.

Many of us have been calling for such a format for many years, and I would personally welcome such a structure.
'Aratipu' review: New Zealand Rugby set to ditch SANZAAR, Super Rugby - report
8 Jul, 2020 7:40am 2 minutes to read

Rugby's 'Aratipu' review wants Super Rugby scrapped in favour of a transtasman competition, according to a report.

The new competition would also include "a team from the Pacific", while SANZAAR – the southern hemisphere's governing body at the moment – would be left to run the Rugby Championship involving the test teams, Mediaworks reports.

Super Rugby was to have proceeded with teams from New Zealand, Australia, South Africa and Argentina, following the axing of Japan's Sunwolves from 2021.

But Mediaworks says sources have revealed "SANZAAR's days of running the (Super Rugby) competition appear to be over from next year".

"Southern hemisphere rugby's united front could soon be over," it stated.

New Zealand Rugby announced in April that it would expand an existing review into Super Rugby.

Named Aratipu, and chaired by Don Mackinnon from the Blues, it appeared to signal that some radical changes may be on the horizon.

Aratipu also wants any new competition to feed into a bigger international tournament, the report claims. That might involve the winners going into playoffs against the champions from other countries.

"As long as it keeps the qualities that are making this competition really successful," Blues coach Leon Macdonald was quoted as saying.

"We remain very positive about that," Marinos told Stuff. "Obviously the biggest elephant ... in the room is what sort of restrictions that could come in.

"But we are certainly very positive as a group to deliver a Rugby Championship this year in whichever market we can, where we can get all the teams in and get the competition underway.

"At this stage we are looking at the back-end of October, into November and probably early December."

Marinos added that a "bubble" arrangement, where the teams would be based in one country after they met quarantine requirements, was a possibility although nothing had been decided yet.

Marinos said Sanzaar is also planning on continuing the usual cross-border Super Rugby competition next year, despite Kiwi and Aussie officials suggesting only a transtasman season would be possible.

"Sanzaar, as a joint venture, remain committed to working together," he said.

"Whilst we appreciate coming out of 2020 is going to be slightly different, we are busy working through those permutations."
I wonder whether they will include the Force. Twiggy has already said he was happy for the Force to return to Super Rugby, if that happens he is also committed to keeping Global Rapid Rugby alive so expect a change in when GRR is played to later in the year. This means the two tournaments wouldnt clash which means non Wallaby players could potentially get paid from two different income sources if they played in GRR and Super Rugby which would increase the professional profile for Rugby in Australia
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RandomNavigat0r wrote:I wonder whether they will include the Force. Twiggy has already said he was happy for the Force to return to Super Rugby, if that happens he is also committed to keeping Global Rapid Rugby alive so expect a change in when GRR is played to later in the year. This means the two tournaments wouldnt clash which means non Wallaby players could potentially get paid from two different income sources if they played in GRR and Super Rugby which would increase the professional profile for Rugby in Australia
That's the model that they use in NZ, two comps with non All Black players participating in Super Rugby and the Mitre 10 Cup. The M10 Cup pays a lot less (max salary is around $60K per season), but is a development comp and the feeder comp for SR. Do you think that GRR could be used as a feeder comp for Super Rugby? And if so, what changes might need to happen with regards to its structure?
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All sounds a bit like the South Pacific championship they used to run in the late 80s
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not_english wrote:All sounds a bit like the South Pacific championship they used to run in the late 80s
Was that a precursor to the Super 6 and Super 8?
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FWIW it's being reported in Ireland that the four SA super sides will replace the Cheetahs, and the Kings in the Celtic/Pro whatever League from next season.
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camroc1 wrote:FWIW it's being reported in Ireland that the four SA super sides will replace the Cheetahs, and the Kings in the Celtic/Pro whatever League from next season.
Nice one, win-win for everyone.

Here's a friendly tip, don't let them talk you into allowing South African referees to officiate games involving South African teams. That is unless you guys want to routinely suffer 20-1 penalty counts against your teams.
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camroc1 wrote:FWIW it's being reported in Ireland that the four SA super sides will replace the Cheetahs, and the Kings in the Celtic/Pro whatever League from next season.
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Why don’t they just play the Currie cup with full sides ffs
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camroc1 wrote:FWIW it's being reported in Ireland that the four SA super sides will replace the Cheetahs, and the Kings in the Celtic/Pro whatever League from next season.
Forwhatevsit’sworth
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Mullet 2 wrote:Why don’t they just play the Currie cup with full sides ffs
They have obviously managed to convince the Pro 18 organisers that they will bring lots of TV money to your comp. Which of course we all know is a lie. A big, fat lie. They don't have any money and you'll never see this mythical 'South African television money'. Half their countrymen live on USD$1 per day ffs, they can't feed themselves.

Also, you do realise that from 2022 the SARU will demand an additional team each and every year until they've destroyed your comp from the inside out like a cancer?
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not_english wrote:All sounds a bit like the South Pacific championship they used to run in the late 80s
Was that a precursor to the Super 6 and Super 8?
Used to have Auckland, Canterbury and Wellington from NZ plus NSW and Queensland and Fiji. I am pretty sure the teams were fixed and Otago used to complain they weren't part of it.

I don't know about Super 6 or 8, I think they had Super 10 when Sth Africa came back into sports, which essentially added 3 South African teams to the South Pacific championship, and there was a separate competition to be the Pacific Island team involved.
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Ali's Choice wrote:
RandomNavigat0r wrote:I wonder whether they will include the Force. Twiggy has already said he was happy for the Force to return to Super Rugby, if that happens he is also committed to keeping Global Rapid Rugby alive so expect a change in when GRR is played to later in the year. This means the two tournaments wouldnt clash which means non Wallaby players could potentially get paid from two different income sources if they played in GRR and Super Rugby which would increase the professional profile for Rugby in Australia
That's the model that they use in NZ, two comps with non All Black players participating in Super Rugby and the Mitre 10 Cup. The M10 Cup pays a lot less (max salary is around $60K per season), but is a development comp and the feeder comp for SR. Do you think that GRR could be used as a feeder comp for Super Rugby? And if so, what changes might need to happen with regards to its structure?
The M10 is New Zealands national championship though. This rapid rugby only has the one Aussie side.
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Ali's Choice wrote:
RandomNavigat0r wrote:I wonder whether they will include the Force. Twiggy has already said he was happy for the Force to return to Super Rugby, if that happens he is also committed to keeping Global Rapid Rugby alive so expect a change in when GRR is played to later in the year. This means the two tournaments wouldnt clash which means non Wallaby players could potentially get paid from two different income sources if they played in GRR and Super Rugby which would increase the professional profile for Rugby in Australia
That's the model that they use in NZ, two comps with non All Black players participating in Super Rugby and the Mitre 10 Cup. The M10 Cup pays a lot less (max salary is around $60K per season), but is a development comp and the feeder comp for SR. Do you think that GRR could be used as a feeder comp for Super Rugby? And if so, what changes might need to happen with regards to its structure?
The M10 is New Zealands national championship though. This rapid rugby only has the one Aussie side.

So you've answered my question, it would need to be significantly restructured.
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Ali's Choice wrote:So basically NZR's review into the game in NZ has found that Super Rugby in its former structure is not sustaiable

The proposal is for SR to be replaced by a Trans-Tasman comp, with a Fijian based team also an option. SANZAAR would continue to exist, but it would only run the profitable Rugby Championship.

Many of us have been calling for such a format for many years, and I would personally welcome such a structure.
'Aratipu' review: New Zealand Rugby set to ditch SANZAAR, Super Rugby - report
8 Jul, 2020 7:40am 2 minutes to read

Rugby's 'Aratipu' review wants Super Rugby scrapped in favour of a transtasman competition, according to a report.

The new competition would also include "a team from the Pacific", while SANZAAR – the southern hemisphere's governing body at the moment – would be left to run the Rugby Championship involving the test teams, Mediaworks reports.

Super Rugby was to have proceeded with teams from New Zealand, Australia, South Africa and Argentina, following the axing of Japan's Sunwolves from 2021.

But Mediaworks says sources have revealed "SANZAAR's days of running the (Super Rugby) competition appear to be over from next year".

"Southern hemisphere rugby's united front could soon be over," it stated.

New Zealand Rugby announced in April that it would expand an existing review into Super Rugby.

Named Aratipu, and chaired by Don Mackinnon from the Blues, it appeared to signal that some radical changes may be on the horizon.

Aratipu also wants any new competition to feed into a bigger international tournament, the report claims. That might involve the winners going into playoffs against the champions from other countries.

"As long as it keeps the qualities that are making this competition really successful," Blues coach Leon Macdonald was quoted as saying.

"We remain very positive about that," Marinos told Stuff. "Obviously the biggest elephant ... in the room is what sort of restrictions that could come in.

"But we are certainly very positive as a group to deliver a Rugby Championship this year in whichever market we can, where we can get all the teams in and get the competition underway.

"At this stage we are looking at the back-end of October, into November and probably early December."

Marinos added that a "bubble" arrangement, where the teams would be based in one country after they met quarantine requirements, was a possibility although nothing had been decided yet.

Marinos said Sanzaar is also planning on continuing the usual cross-border Super Rugby competition next year, despite Kiwi and Aussie officials suggesting only a transtasman season would be possible.

"Sanzaar, as a joint venture, remain committed to working together," he said.

"Whilst we appreciate coming out of 2020 is going to be slightly different, we are busy working through those permutations."
These guys could've just come and asked us good folk at planet rugby forum. They've taken our template!
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not_english wrote:I don't know about Super 6 or 8, I think they had Super 10 when Sth Africa came back into sports, which essentially added 3 South African teams to the South Pacific championship, and there was a separate competition to be the Pacific Island team involved.
Yeah Super 8 was a figment of my imagination apparently, but Super 6 was actually a thing, which turned to Super 10 the following year,

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not_english wrote:
Ali's Choice wrote:
not_english wrote:All sounds a bit like the South Pacific championship they used to run in the late 80s
Was that a precursor to the Super 6 and Super 8?
Used to have Auckland, Canterbury and Wellington from NZ plus NSW and Queensland and Fiji. I am pretty sure the teams were fixed and Otago used to complain they weren't part of it.

I don't know about Super 6 or 8, I think they had Super 10 when Sth Africa came back into sports, which essentially added 3 South African teams to the South Pacific championship, and there was a separate competition to be the Pacific Island team involved.
I remember North Harbour was in it one year. It was the top-4 from the NPC the previous year who got the opportunity to play in later iterations of that competition.
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Auckman wrote: These guys could've just come and asked us good folk at planet rugby forum. They've taken our template!
It makes sense as a structure. I am happy for them to take the credit for our template if it means we get a better structure for pro-Rugby :thumbup:
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Ali's Choice wrote:
camroc1 wrote:FWIW it's being reported in Ireland that the four SA super sides will replace the Cheetahs, and the Kings in the Celtic/Pro whatever League from next season.
Nice one, win-win for everyone.
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This article in the SMH suggests there are further negotiations needed, with some members of the NZR board demanding an 8 team comp featuring just two Australian teams. That would be a ridiculous demand, IMO, and the only possible outcome would be no Trans Tasman comp. F**k there are some idiots on the NZR board.

Australia-only option on table as NZ play hard ball over Super Rugby
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By Georgina Robinson
July 8, 2020 — 8.25pm

Australia is contemplating a Big Bash-style domestic rugby competition dotted with international names as New Zealand attitudes appear to harden against a five-team Australian presence next year.

Despite reports on Wednesday a New Zealand Rugby review favoured a trans-Tasman replacement for Super Rugby in 2021, Australian officials were alarmed to learn through other channels that at least half the NZR board favoured an eight-team competition, featuring the five existing Kiwi sides, a Pacific Islands team and just two Australian franchises.

Rugby Australia would not countenance a three-team proposal floated earlier this year so would reject out of hand a format with room for even fewer Australian teams.

The other half of the nine-person NZR board favoured a 10-team trans-Tasman model with a degree of open borders policy on player movement, sources told the Herald.

But if the conservative faction of the board were to win out, Australia would have no choice but to go it alone, building out a six- or eight-team domestic competition and opening up squads to South African and Argentinian players, in a riff on the international flavour of cricket's Big Bash League. Reaching out to Japan would also be an option, sources said.

RA chairman Hamish McLennan declined to comment on the speculation, while NZR did not respond to a request for comment.

The news will come as a blow to proponents of the 10-team trans-Tasman model, which many believe will strike the best commercial and high performance balance for the two countries.

But in the face of potential strong-arm tactics from New Zealand, who would control the eight-team competition, RA is understood to be comfortable with an amped-up domestic option.

It comes as communication from New Zealand has dropped off, with a publicised conference call put off indefinitely between the chief executives of the 10 New Zealand and Australian Super Rugby sides.

The Kiwis could have been waiting to finalise their Aratipu review, excerpts of which were leaked on Wednesday.

One of the recommendations, widely foreshadowed in Australia in recent months, was to disband the 25-year-old SANZAAR joint venture at a Super Rugby level, leaving the four-nation alliance intact for the international level Rugby Championship only.

The move would give all nations the freedom to pursue new alliances, with the potential to link up again in a championship-style finals series. South Africa have long been linked to a permanent move to the Pro 14, although officials have denied this is a serious option.

Clouding the issue is the continued uncertainty over what impact COVID-19 will have on next year's schedule. Given case numbers in South Africa and second wave potential in Australia, it appears unlikely a long-term structure could be locked in. Even New Zealand, which has allowed crowds to return at sports matches, continues to deal with isolated cases.

Unions could be forced to agree a one-year interim structure and reassess at a later stage, pending travel restrictions.

New Zealand's concerns appear to centre on Australia's capacity to field five teams of sufficient strength.

Mining billionaire Andrew Forrest's recent $5 million commitment to RugbyWA, plus whatever terms were reached on the Western Force's participation in Super Rugby AU, appear to have shored up the club's position as a key part of Australia's 2021 plans.

The thawing relationship between Forrest and the new RA regime, namely McLennan, put the governing body in an awkward position as regards the rest of the Australian landscape.

On New Zealand's terms, one or more of the current east coast sides would have to go, an untenable position for the code as it tries to trade its way out of the coronavirus shutdown.
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Puma wrote:
Ali's Choice wrote:
camroc1 wrote:FWIW it's being reported in Ireland that the four SA super sides will replace the Cheetahs, and the Kings in the Celtic/Pro whatever League from next season.
Nice one, win-win for everyone.
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not_english wrote:Used to have Auckland, Canterbury and Wellington from NZ plus NSW and Queensland and Fiji. I am pretty sure the teams were fixed and Otago used to complain they weren't part of it.

I don't know about Super 6 or 8, I think they had Super 10 when Sth Africa came back into sports, which essentially added 3 South African teams to the South Pacific championship, and there was a separate competition to be the Pacific Island team involved.
Correct.

The SPC was an invitational tournament instigated ny NSWRU. The reason Otago/Waikato weren't considered (well, one reason) was lack of international airport.

S6 was a rebrand of SPC. From there it went to S10, as you say (was no S8).
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I could have sworn I already responded to this.
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Ali's Choice wrote:This article in the SMH suggests there are further negotiations needed, with some members of the NZR board demanding an 8 team comp featuring just two Australian teams. That would be a ridiculous demand, IMO, and the only possible outcome would be no Trans Tasman comp. F**k there are some idiots on the NZR board.

Australia-only option on table as NZ play hard ball over Super Rugby
Georgina Robinson
By Georgina Robinson
July 8, 2020 — 8.25pm

Australia is contemplating a Big Bash-style domestic rugby competition dotted with international names as New Zealand attitudes appear to harden against a five-team Australian presence next year.

Despite reports on Wednesday a New Zealand Rugby review favoured a trans-Tasman replacement for Super Rugby in 2021, Australian officials were alarmed to learn through other channels that at least half the NZR board favoured an eight-team competition, featuring the five existing Kiwi sides, a Pacific Islands team and just two Australian franchises.

Rugby Australia would not countenance a three-team proposal floated earlier this year so would reject out of hand a format with room for even fewer Australian teams.

The other half of the nine-person NZR board favoured a 10-team trans-Tasman model with a degree of open borders policy on player movement, sources told the Herald.

But if the conservative faction of the board were to win out, Australia would have no choice but to go it alone, building out a six- or eight-team domestic competition and opening up squads to South African and Argentinian players, in a riff on the international flavour of cricket's Big Bash League. Reaching out to Japan would also be an option, sources said.

RA chairman Hamish McLennan declined to comment on the speculation, while NZR did not respond to a request for comment.

The news will come as a blow to proponents of the 10-team trans-Tasman model, which many believe will strike the best commercial and high performance balance for the two countries.

But in the face of potential strong-arm tactics from New Zealand, who would control the eight-team competition, RA is understood to be comfortable with an amped-up domestic option.

It comes as communication from New Zealand has dropped off, with a publicised conference call put off indefinitely between the chief executives of the 10 New Zealand and Australian Super Rugby sides.

The Kiwis could have been waiting to finalise their Aratipu review, excerpts of which were leaked on Wednesday.

One of the recommendations, widely foreshadowed in Australia in recent months, was to disband the 25-year-old SANZAAR joint venture at a Super Rugby level, leaving the four-nation alliance intact for the international level Rugby Championship only.

The move would give all nations the freedom to pursue new alliances, with the potential to link up again in a championship-style finals series. South Africa have long been linked to a permanent move to the Pro 14, although officials have denied this is a serious option.

Clouding the issue is the continued uncertainty over what impact COVID-19 will have on next year's schedule. Given case numbers in South Africa and second wave potential in Australia, it appears unlikely a long-term structure could be locked in. Even New Zealand, which has allowed crowds to return at sports matches, continues to deal with isolated cases.

Unions could be forced to agree a one-year interim structure and reassess at a later stage, pending travel restrictions.

New Zealand's concerns appear to centre on Australia's capacity to field five teams of sufficient strength.

Mining billionaire Andrew Forrest's recent $5 million commitment to RugbyWA, plus whatever terms were reached on the Western Force's participation in Super Rugby AU, appear to have shored up the club's position as a key part of Australia's 2021 plans.

The thawing relationship between Forrest and the new RA regime, namely McLennan, put the governing body in an awkward position as regards the rest of the Australian landscape.

On New Zealand's terms, one or more of the current east coast sides would have to go, an untenable position for the code as it tries to trade its way out of the coronavirus shutdown.
Wow what arrogance from NZRU thinking Oz rugby can run in two pro teams only
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grievous wrote:Wow what arrogance from NZRU thinking Oz rugby can run in two pro teams only
I haven't read this anywhere else, but I am assuming Georgina Robinson is a trustworthy journalist?

If so, it's not even the entire NZR board, just some idiotic members. The same members who selected Ian Foster to coach the AB's over a range of superior candidates. The same members who re-appointed Grant Fox to be a selector, despite continual selection blunders destroying the AB's RWC hopes in 2019.
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Ali's Choice wrote:
grievous wrote:Wow what arrogance from NZRU thinking Oz rugby can run in two pro teams only
I haven't read this anywhere else, but I am assuming Georgina Robinson is a trustworthy journalist?

If so, it's not even the entire NZR board, just some idiotic members. The same members who selected Ian Foster to coach the AB's over a range of superior candidates. The same members who re-appointed Grant Fox to be a selector, despite continual selection blunders destroying the AB's RWC hopes in 2019.
Yeah, it has to be 4 teams min.

But with all the RSA, Japan and Arg teams gone, why the need for such a small number of teams? 5 NZ or 6 NZ, Fiji, 4 or 5 Aus, maybe Samoa too.
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Ali's Choice wrote:
grievous wrote:Wow what arrogance from NZRU thinking Oz rugby can run in two pro teams only
I haven't read this anywhere else, but I am assuming Georgina Robinson is a trustworthy journalist?

If so, it's not even the entire NZR board, just some idiotic members. The same members who selected Ian Foster to coach the AB's over a range of superior candidates. The same members who re-appointed Grant Fox to be a selector, despite continual selection blunders destroying the AB's RWC hopes in 2019.
Ask Slimey he vets all Ozzie journos.
Id rather we build something domestic anyway.
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Sensible Stephen wrote:Yeah, it has to be 4 teams min.

But with all the RSA, Japan and Arg teams gone, why the need for such a small number of teams? 5 NZ or 6 NZ, Fiji, 4 or 5 Aus, maybe Samoa too.
I personally favour a 10 team comp, 5 each from NZ and Aust. 18 games, play each team home and away with two byes.
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Before this gets tossed, has anyone stopped to consider that we probably only have two good teams worth of players? The brumbies and rebels are both fabrications filled with chaps from up north. Only the force ever got near a real home grown team, and that was due to FIFO Kiwis and Saffers.
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Ellafan wrote:Before this gets tossed, has anyone stopped to consider that we probably only have two good teams worth of players? The brumbies and rebels are both fabrications filled with chaps from up north. Only the force ever got near a real home grown team, and that was due to FIFO Kiwis and Saffers.
So what would your preferred number of teams be?
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If it wasnt for the NH picking over your bones constantly youd be much better off.

What would an overseas side look like

Beale
Fardy
Skelton

Isn't a bad start to build a side around
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Re: Trans-Tasman comp to replace Super Rugby in 2021

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Ali's Choice wrote:
Ellafan wrote:Before this gets tossed, has anyone stopped to consider that we probably only have two good teams worth of players? The brumbies and rebels are both fabrications filled with chaps from up north. Only the force ever got near a real home grown team, and that was due to FIFO Kiwis and Saffers.
So what would your preferred number of teams be?
In a trans comp - 3.

NSW, QLD, and ..... call it what you want, but WA/VIC/ACT. Bushrangers or outlaws or something.

Between those three states they should get enough players together they only need to import say 80% of the team from Qld & NSW.
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Re: Trans-Tasman comp to replace Super Rugby in 2021

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These Aussies are some serious negative nellys
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Puma wrote:
Ali's Choice wrote:
camroc1 wrote:FWIW it's being reported in Ireland that the four SA super sides will replace the Cheetahs, and the Kings in the Celtic/Pro whatever League from next season.
Nice one, win-win for everyone.
Jaguares say "meowwwww..."
Puma, maybe you can still join NZ - replacing Oz. :thumbup:
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Re: Trans-Tasman comp to replace Super Rugby in 2021

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Ali's Choice wrote:
Sensible Stephen wrote:Yeah, it has to be 4 teams min.

But with all the RSA, Japan and Arg teams gone, why the need for such a small number of teams? 5 NZ or 6 NZ, Fiji, 4 or 5 Aus, maybe Samoa too.
I personally favour a 10 team comp, 5 each from NZ and Aust. 18 games, play each team home and away with two byes.

That is way too many Aussie teams for their depth. Would rather see 5/3/2 NZ/Aus/PI
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not_english wrote:That is way too many Aussie teams for their depth. Would rather see 5/3/2 NZ/Aus/PI
Who is paying for your 2 PI teams?

I also have an answer (or more than one answer) but am interested to hear yours.
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Ali's Choice wrote:
Anonymous. wrote:
Ali's Choice wrote:
RandomNavigat0r wrote:I wonder whether they will include the Force. Twiggy has already said he was happy for the Force to return to Super Rugby, if that happens he is also committed to keeping Global Rapid Rugby alive so expect a change in when GRR is played to later in the year. This means the two tournaments wouldnt clash which means non Wallaby players could potentially get paid from two different income sources if they played in GRR and Super Rugby which would increase the professional profile for Rugby in Australia
That's the model that they use in NZ, two comps with non All Black players participating in Super Rugby and the Mitre 10 Cup. The M10 Cup pays a lot less (max salary is around $60K per season), but is a development comp and the feeder comp for SR. Do you think that GRR could be used as a feeder comp for Super Rugby? And if so, what changes might need to happen with regards to its structure?
The M10 is New Zealands national championship though. This rapid rugby only has the one Aussie side.

So you've answered my question, it would need to be significantly restructured.
I wouldn't call that restructuring. I'd call that a completely different competition.
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not_english wrote:
Ali's Choice wrote:
Sensible Stephen wrote:Yeah, it has to be 4 teams min.

But with all the RSA, Japan and Arg teams gone, why the need for such a small number of teams? 5 NZ or 6 NZ, Fiji, 4 or 5 Aus, maybe Samoa too.
I personally favour a 10 team comp, 5 each from NZ and Aust. 18 games, play each team home and away with two byes.

That is way too many Aussie teams for their depth. Would rather see 5/3/2 NZ/Aus/PI
Depends on how well they manage to pad out the Aussie teams with PI / NZ / ex Jauguares / ex Sunwolf players.

NZRFU might even consider to allow AB selection from this competition.....
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Re: Trans-Tasman comp to replace Super Rugby in 2021

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I remember when super 12, was the global standard for non-international rugby, but they kept "improving it".. then killed the goose..
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msp. wrote:I remember when super 12, was the global standard for non-international rugby, but they kept "improving it".. then killed the goose..
That's part of what happened.

But it's not the definitive answer.
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