Trans-Tasman comp to replace Super Rugby in 2021

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kiap wrote:
not_english wrote:That is way too many Aussie teams for their depth. Would rather see 5/3/2 NZ/Aus/PI
Who is paying for your 2 PI teams?

I also have an answer (or more than one answer) but am interested to hear yours.
TV money I guess. Would be nice to give PIs some kind of an option to remain in this part of the world.
Attendance money could be all put in a pot and divided equally amongst the teams. How is that for socialism?
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not_english wrote:
kiap wrote:
not_english wrote:That is way too many Aussie teams for their depth. Would rather see 5/3/2 NZ/Aus/PI
Who is paying for your 2 PI teams?

I also have an answer (or more than one answer) but am interested to hear yours.
TV money I guess. Would be nice to give PIs some kind of an option to remain in this part of the world.
Attendance money could be all put in a pot and divided equally amongst the teams. How is that for socialism?
OK. Also, these PI teams:
  • (a) Are you selecting from on-island players e.g. in the Super-9, Skipper Cup, etc ... or elsewhere? ... and;
  • (b) Will they be stronger than say a 5th-rate ocker side?
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SR was always in trouble once SA and Oz started using it as a development competition. This and the problems with time zones affecting viewership, especially in Oz and NZ, set the comp on a downhill path.

It's time is over and the Covid-19 lockdowns did us a favour by allowing administrators to review options. And hopefully they come up with some solutions
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Jensrsa wrote:It's time is over and the Covid-19 lockdowns did us a favour by allowing administrators to review options. And hopefully they come up with some solutions
Yep. Test matches will still be viable. Level 2 competitions need a new slate.
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grievous wrote:
Ali's Choice wrote:
grievous wrote:Wow what arrogance from NZRU thinking Oz rugby can run in two pro teams only
I haven't read this anywhere else, but I am assuming Georgina Robinson is a trustworthy journalist?

If so, it's not even the entire NZR board, just some idiotic members. The same members who selected Ian Foster to coach the AB's over a range of superior candidates. The same members who re-appointed Grant Fox to be a selector, despite continual selection blunders destroying the AB's RWC hopes in 2019.
Ask Slimey he vets all Ozzie journos.
Id rather we build something domestic anyway.

Well, it's almost as if RA have fed GeeRob a story about how Australia can go it alone, even though we really can't, but NZ need us as much as we need them and clearly negotiations are ongoing...
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kiap wrote:
not_english wrote:
kiap wrote:
not_english wrote:That is way too many Aussie teams for their depth. Would rather see 5/3/2 NZ/Aus/PI
Who is paying for your 2 PI teams?

I also have an answer (or more than one answer) but am interested to hear yours.
TV money I guess. Would be nice to give PIs some kind of an option to remain in this part of the world.
Attendance money could be all put in a pot and divided equally amongst the teams. How is that for socialism?
OK. Also, these PI teams:
  • (a) Are you selecting from on-island players e.g. in the Super-9, Skipper Cup, etc ... or elsewhere? ... and;
  • (b) Will they be stronger than say a 5th-rate ocker side?
The national teams, so realistically can't see any NH based players appearing for them. However it would perhaps offer a pathway for some of their players to get to their national team rather than being absorbed into NZ or Aus (or England, France, Ireland etc these days).

At this point I guess we re-evaluate our goals and say...Do we just want the teams with the best players? (that means more NZ and less everyone else)
Do we want traditional rivalries? - that is why playing NSW and Queensland was good, but the Western Force or Sunwolves less so
Do we want to help the Pacific teams, given that so many of their players have ended up playing for NZ and Aus (without going into the various reasons behind all of this).
IMHO the "idea" of Fiji or Tonga or Samoa means something to people, whereas the idea of The Sunwolves or whatever doesn't really.
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Do you know if these PI unions signed anything?
not_english wrote:At this point I guess we re-evaluate our goals and say...Do we just want ...
I think you're overestimating NZR's agency. Most of those options won't be open without significant third-party input. Where that exists, great. Otherwise, good luck.
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Puma wrote:
Ali's Choice wrote:
camroc1 wrote:FWIW it's being reported in Ireland that the four SA super sides will replace the Cheetahs, and the Kings in the Celtic/Pro whatever League from next season.
Nice one, win-win for everyone.
Jaguares say "meowwwww..."
I know it sucks but long term focusing on a more Argentina-centric SLAR could be a good thing.
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Would be nice to see free movement of players between all countries involved regardless of eligibility for national teams.
We (NZ) would have to lose the centralized contracts, but having the franchises under the umbrella of the national unions should still mean we don't see players forced by their franchises to make themselves unavailable for national sides.
Evening out the talent would not only make for a better comp, it would maximize the ability to stop the player drain as franchises who have an audience can afford to pay more. A better comp also means a bigger audience and again the ability to pay more.
It wouldn't be a silver bullet, but I believe it would make some difference.
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msp. wrote:I remember when super 12, was the global standard for non-international rugby, but they kept "improving it".. then killed the goose..

Pretty much - more teams constantly diluting strength. One or two sides managed to retain their players and the whole thing became a rinse and repeat exercise.

Not blaming them, winning is great but 12 was the magic number.
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Will this trans tasman thing fare any better though?
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Enzedder wrote:
msp. wrote:I remember when super 12, was the global standard for non-international rugby, but they kept "improving it".. then killed the goose..

Pretty much - more teams constantly diluting strength. One or two sides managed to retain their players and the whole thing became a rinse and repeat exercise.

Not blaming them, winning is great but 12 was the magic number.
12 is just a number though. I’d propose that the standard dropped due to multiple factors; including compulsory resting of All Blacks and SA, Oz & NZ losing dozens of their best players to Europe and Japan whilst still in their prime. Also, the entertainment perhaps dropped as players got fitter (less missed tackles, etc.)

12 means 5-6 games a week, which seems like a good amount. Cut the subs by 2 or 3 and I think we are off to the races.
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Gavin Duffy wrote:Will this trans tasman thing fare any better though?
Having matches played during normal, waking hours against nearby teams should help maintain and build interest throughout the season.
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Australia may go it alone. NZL being difficult.
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Australia is contemplating a Big Bash-style domestic rugby competition dotted with international names as New Zealand attitudes appear to harden against a five-team Australian presence next year.

Despite reports on Wednesday a New Zealand Rugby review favoured a trans-Tasman replacement for Super Rugby in 2021, Australian officials were alarmed to learn through other channels that at least half the NZR board favoured an eight-team competition, featuring the five existing Kiwi sides, a Pacific Islands team and just two Australian franchises.

Going it alone? Australia is prepared to launch an amped-up domestic competition if New Zealand insist on a minimal Australian presence next year.
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Rugby Australia would not countenance a three-team proposal floated earlier this year so would reject out of hand a format with room for even fewer Australian teams.

The other half of the nine-person NZR board favoured a 10-team trans-Tasman model with a degree of open borders policy on player movement, sources told the Herald.

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But if the conservative faction of the board were to win out, Australia would have no choice but to go it alone, building out a six- or eight-team domestic competition and opening up squads to South African and Argentinian players, in a riff on the international flavour of cricket's Big Bash League. Reaching out to Japan would also be an option, sources said.

RA chairman Hamish McLennan declined to comment on the speculation, while NZR did not respond to a request for comment.

The news will come as a blow to proponents of the 10-team trans-Tasman model, which many believe will strike the best commercial and high performance balance for the two countries.

But in the face of potential strong-arm tactics from New Zealand, who would control the eight-team competition, RA is understood to be comfortable with an amped-up domestic option.

It comes as communication from New Zealand has dropped off, with a publicised conference call put off indefinitely between the chief executives of the 10 New Zealand and Australian Super Rugby sides.

The Kiwis could have been waiting to finalise their Aratipu review, excerpts of which were leaked on Wednesday.

One of the recommendations, widely foreshadowed in Australia in recent months, was to disband the 25-year-old SANZAAR joint venture at a Super Rugby level, leaving the four-nation alliance intact for the international level Rugby Championship only.

The move would give all nations the freedom to pursue new alliances, with the potential to link up again in a championship-style finals series. South Africa have long been linked to a permanent move to the Pro 14, although officials have denied this is a serious option.

Clouding the issue is the continued uncertainty over what impact COVID-19 will have on next year's schedule. Given case numbers in South Africa and second wave potential in Australia, it appears unlikely a long-term structure could be locked in. Even New Zealand, which has allowed crowds to return at sports matches, continues to deal with isolated cases.

Unions could be forced to agree a one-year interim structure and reassess at a later stage, pending travel restrictions.

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New Zealand's concerns appear to centre on Australia's capacity to field five teams of sufficient strength.

Mining billionaire Andrew Forrest's recent $5 million commitment to RugbyWA, plus whatever terms were reached on the Western Force's participation in Super Rugby AU, appear to have shored up the club's position as a key part of Australia's 2021 plans.

The thawing relationship between Forrest and the new RA regime, namely McLennan, put the governing body in an awkward position as regards the rest of the Australian landscape.

On New Zealand's terms, one or more of the current east coast sides would have to go, an untenable position for the code as it tries to trade its way out of the coronavirus shutdown.
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merlin the happy pig wrote:Would be nice to see free movement of players between all countries involved regardless of eligibility for national teams.
We (NZ) would have to lose the centralized contracts, but having the franchises under the umbrella of the national unions should still mean we don't see players forced by their franchises to make themselves unavailable for national sides.
Evening out the talent would not only make for a better comp, it would maximize the ability to stop the player drain as franchises who have an audience can afford to pay more. A better comp also means a bigger audience and again the ability to pay more.
It wouldn't be a silver bullet, but I believe it would make some difference.
:thumbup: :thumbup:
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RandomNavigat0r wrote:Australia may go it alone. NZL being difficult.
That article has already been posted in this thread, and discussed. The only difference being that unlike you, I edited out the the bullshit ad comments in the article. For someone who regularly boasts about how well you forum, and how you're the alpha troll/big dog on a range of other forums that none of us have ever visited, you really aren't very good at this shit, are you?
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Wilderbeast wrote:
merlin the happy pig wrote:Would be nice to see free movement of players between all countries involved regardless of eligibility for national teams.
We (NZ) would have to lose the centralized contracts, but having the franchises under the umbrella of the national unions should still mean we don't see players forced by their franchises to make themselves unavailable for national sides.
Evening out the talent would not only make for a better comp, it would maximize the ability to stop the player drain as franchises who have an audience can afford to pay more. A better comp also means a bigger audience and again the ability to pay more.
It wouldn't be a silver bullet, but I believe it would make some difference.
:thumbup: :thumbup:
Yeah i don't disagree with merlin's comment. Sadly the NZR are idiots and would rather lose player after player to the NH, where they are permanently lost to our game, than cede any control of our players over to Australian based franchises even if it meant we still keep their services for the AB's. Keep in mind this is the same board that appointed Ian Foster as head coach and re-appointed Grant Fox as a selector.
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So if we were to use 12 as the number, if really like to see

6 kiwi, 5 Aussie and a Fiji side.

There is no way Samoa or Tonga have enough home players.
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Zakar wrote:So if we were to use 12 as the number, if really like to see

6 kiwi, 5 Aussie and a Fiji side.

There is no way Samoa or Tonga have enough home players.
Will Fiji be anywhere close to being strong enough given almost all their test players will not be available? I cannot see any point in a PI team. Would rather a Japan based team, but my preference is for just NZ and Aust. If we learned anything from Super Rugby is that expansion is something to be very wary of.
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Ali's Choice wrote:
Zakar wrote:So if we were to use 12 as the number, if really like to see

6 kiwi, 5 Aussie and a Fiji side.

There is no way Samoa or Tonga have enough home players.
Will Fiji be anywhere close to being strong enough given almost all their test players will not be available? I cannot see any point in a PI team. Would rather a Japan based team, but my preference is for just NZ and Aust. If we learned anything from Super Rugby is that expansion is something to be very wary of.
The Ndrua were pretty close to Super standard.
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RandomNavigat0r wrote:Australia may go it alone. NZL being difficult.
Australia-only option on table as NZ play hard ball over Super Rugby

Maybe they're being difficult because Australia can't get their house in order with their recent coup which has given control to the media organisation who employ half the captains who kicked off the coup.

I prefer Super Rugby with the Saffas, but am fine with an NZ-Oz only comp while we recover form Covid, as long as it doesn't impact the NPC.
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UncleFB wrote:I prefer Super Rugby with the Saffas
I also prefer kiwi teams flying to play club footy in the republic. Hoovering up all that 8 cent rand
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Australia much preferable to SA simply due to time zones. I want a professional competition where I can expect to see my team playing each week (byes excepted).
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I personally don't see a trans tasman comp as anything more than the same tired bullshit. About the only redeeming aspect would be time zones.

But that only really works out for kiwis. Kickoff times generally a bit early for Australia. Although it avoids the 3am bullshit of South Africa.

Australians aren't that much of a draw, even if they were winning every game.
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sonic_attack wrote:I personally don't see a trans tasman comp as anything more than the same tired bullshit. About the only redeeming aspect would be time zones.

But that only really works out for kiwis. Kickoff times generally a bit early for Australia. Although it avoids the 3am bullshit of South Africa.

Australians aren't that much of a draw, even if they were winning every game.
Not really an issue for time zones.
Kick off at 8pm in NZ is 6pm on the eastern seaboard. That means that Aussies can knock off work, wander down to the pub and watch a game before heading to the ground for an 8pm kick off locally.

And 8pm is 10pm for kiwis so you guys have a decent hour for games too
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Time zones is a big f**king deal imo. I want to be able to see the games in the competition I follow.
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Wilderbeast wrote:Time zones is a big f**king deal imo. I want to be able to see the games in the competition I follow.
Same, that's why South Africa and Arg had to get the boot. Best thing NZR has done since convincing the NH to let the IRB hold a RWC.
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Ali's Choice wrote:
grievous wrote:Wow what arrogance from NZRU thinking Oz rugby can run in two pro teams only
I haven't read this anywhere else, but I am assuming Georgina Robinson is a trustworthy journalist?

If so, it's not even the entire NZR board, just some idiotic members. The same members who selected Ian Foster to coach the AB's over a range of superior candidates. The same members who re-appointed Grant Fox to be a selector, despite continual selection blunders destroying the AB's RWC hopes in 2019.
FFS Georgina Robinson would not know what has come out of NZRU, I think someone from RA has fed her this story so they can prep the way to dropping an Aus team. I saw McCellan the RA chairman say that HE had doubts that Aus could substain 4 teams without buying in overseas players!
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sonic_attack wrote:I personally don't see a trans tasman comp as anything more than the same tired bullshit. About the only redeeming aspect would be time zones.

But that only really works out for kiwis. Kickoff times generally a bit early for Australia. Although it avoids the 3am bullshit of South Africa.

Australians aren't that much of a draw, even if they were winning every game.
This 100%

RA and NZRU are a match made in hell. The promotion of the NRC and Mitre 10 Cup as the respective country's premier competitions should be the priority with concurrent combined KO tourney. The Jaguares can choose to join the Mitre 10 cup
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Slim 293 wrote:
grievous wrote:
Ali's Choice wrote:
grievous wrote:Wow what arrogance from NZRU thinking Oz rugby can run in two pro teams only
I haven't read this anywhere else, but I am assuming Georgina Robinson is a trustworthy journalist?

If so, it's not even the entire NZR board, just some idiotic members. The same members who selected Ian Foster to coach the AB's over a range of superior candidates. The same members who re-appointed Grant Fox to be a selector, despite continual selection blunders destroying the AB's RWC hopes in 2019.
Ask Slimey he vets all Ozzie journos.
Id rather we build something domestic anyway.

Well, it's almost as if RA have fed GeeRob a story about how Australia can go it alone, even though we really can't, but NZ need us as much as we need them and clearly negotiations are ongoing...
Almost fed? GeeRob? Have you something against female rugby journos or just all journos?
We can go it alone we just need a year zero approach and all that pain it attracts. RA is too gutless though.
NZ dont believe they need us as much as we do
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goeagles wrote:
Puma wrote:
Ali's Choice wrote:
camroc1 wrote:FWIW it's being reported in Ireland that the four SA super sides will replace the Cheetahs, and the Kings in the Celtic/Pro whatever League from next season.
Nice one, win-win for everyone.
Jaguares say "meowwwww..."
I know it sucks but long term focusing on a more Argentina-centric SLAR could be a good thing.
Yep this will be a better option in the long run
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I read this thread title as Nonu sharing his mascara..
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camroc1 wrote:FWIW it's being reported in Ireland that the four SA super sides will replace the Cheetahs, and the Kings in the Celtic/Pro whatever League from next season.
Seems the Welsh, with all their TV money, are not too happy about this idea.....
https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/53340890
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Another article by RA implant journo Robinson
New Zealand would risk pushing Australia away from a shared Super Rugby future "at their own peril", NSW's Kiwi coach Rob Penney has warned.

Penney, who coached Canterbury to four provincial titles between 2006 and 2011, warned New Zealand Rugby against "isolation" as the country plots its future beyond the end of this year.

Rob Penney was scathing of Kiwi attitudes to Australian rugby.
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"Isolation is probably not the ideal scenario for anyone but if New Zealand want to do that – at their own peril," he said.

"We'll have a great competition here in Australia. As we've talked about, there is a great depth of youth coming through, it's a very exciting period of time for Australian rugby. I certainly really believe that."
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Australian rugby officials were dismayed to learn on Wednesday that their Kiwi counterparts considered just two Australian teams the right amount in an eight-team replacement for Super Rugby when the current broadcast deal runs out on December 31.

Australia had been hoping to take four or five teams into a trans-Tasman competition, with a plan to bring in Japanese sides and open up the competition so Kiwi players could join Australian sides and vice-versa.

If New Zealand don't get positive around the relationship they have with Australia that is their loss.
NSW coach Rob Penney
But the news out of New Zealand has forced Rugby Australia to consider going it alone with a six- or eight-team domestic competition 'on steroids', using foreign players to boost depth and appeal in the vein of cricket's Big Bash.

Penney, who coached in Ireland and Japan before being appointed to the NSW job last year, delivered a stinging critique of New Zealand attitudes to Australia.

"If New Zealand don't get positive around the relationship they have with Australia that is their loss," he said. "They probably see themselves in a powerful bubble, which they have done for a number of years. So be it. We'll create one here and then they'll come knocking I'm sure."
8 team comp within our own borders would be awesome, do it
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Ali's Choice wrote:
RandomNavigat0r wrote:Australia may go it alone. NZL being difficult.
That article has already been posted in this thread, and discussed. The only difference being that unlike you, I edited out the the bullshit ad comments in the article. For someone who regularly boasts about how well you forum, and how you're the alpha troll/big dog on a range of other forums that none of us have ever visited, you really aren't very good at this shit, are you?
Stop bumping your own thread, I've warned you about this sort of behaviour
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grievous wrote:Another article by RA implant journo Robinson
New Zealand would risk pushing Australia away from a shared Super Rugby future "at their own peril", NSW's Kiwi coach Rob Penney has warned.

Penney, who coached Canterbury to four provincial titles between 2006 and 2011, warned New Zealand Rugby against "isolation" as the country plots its future beyond the end of this year.

Rob Penney was scathing of Kiwi attitudes to Australian rugby.
Rob Penney was scathing of Kiwi attitudes to Australian rugby. CREDIT:GETTY IMAGES
"Isolation is probably not the ideal scenario for anyone but if New Zealand want to do that – at their own peril," he said.

"We'll have a great competition here in Australia. As we've talked about, there is a great depth of youth coming through, it's a very exciting period of time for Australian rugby. I certainly really believe that."
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Australian rugby officials were dismayed to learn on Wednesday that their Kiwi counterparts considered just two Australian teams the right amount in an eight-team replacement for Super Rugby when the current broadcast deal runs out on December 31.

Australia had been hoping to take four or five teams into a trans-Tasman competition, with a plan to bring in Japanese sides and open up the competition so Kiwi players could join Australian sides and vice-versa.

If New Zealand don't get positive around the relationship they have with Australia that is their loss.
NSW coach Rob Penney
But the news out of New Zealand has forced Rugby Australia to consider going it alone with a six- or eight-team domestic competition 'on steroids', using foreign players to boost depth and appeal in the vein of cricket's Big Bash.

Penney, who coached in Ireland and Japan before being appointed to the NSW job last year, delivered a stinging critique of New Zealand attitudes to Australia.

"If New Zealand don't get positive around the relationship they have with Australia that is their loss," he said. "They probably see themselves in a powerful bubble, which they have done for a number of years. So be it. We'll create one here and then they'll come knocking I'm sure."
8 team comp within our own borders would be awesome, do it
What would it look like?

NSW, WA, Queensland, Rebels, ACT.

Where are the other three coming from? After an Adelaide side I assume?
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Mullet 2 wrote:
grievous wrote:Another article by RA implant journo Robinson
New Zealand would risk pushing Australia away from a shared Super Rugby future "at their own peril", NSW's Kiwi coach Rob Penney has warned.

Penney, who coached Canterbury to four provincial titles between 2006 and 2011, warned New Zealand Rugby against "isolation" as the country plots its future beyond the end of this year.

Rob Penney was scathing of Kiwi attitudes to Australian rugby.
Rob Penney was scathing of Kiwi attitudes to Australian rugby. CREDIT:GETTY IMAGES
"Isolation is probably not the ideal scenario for anyone but if New Zealand want to do that – at their own peril," he said.

"We'll have a great competition here in Australia. As we've talked about, there is a great depth of youth coming through, it's a very exciting period of time for Australian rugby. I certainly really believe that."
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Australian rugby officials were dismayed to learn on Wednesday that their Kiwi counterparts considered just two Australian teams the right amount in an eight-team replacement for Super Rugby when the current broadcast deal runs out on December 31.

Australia had been hoping to take four or five teams into a trans-Tasman competition, with a plan to bring in Japanese sides and open up the competition so Kiwi players could join Australian sides and vice-versa.

If New Zealand don't get positive around the relationship they have with Australia that is their loss.
NSW coach Rob Penney
But the news out of New Zealand has forced Rugby Australia to consider going it alone with a six- or eight-team domestic competition 'on steroids', using foreign players to boost depth and appeal in the vein of cricket's Big Bash.

Penney, who coached in Ireland and Japan before being appointed to the NSW job last year, delivered a stinging critique of New Zealand attitudes to Australia.

"If New Zealand don't get positive around the relationship they have with Australia that is their loss," he said. "They probably see themselves in a powerful bubble, which they have done for a number of years. So be it. We'll create one here and then they'll come knocking I'm sure."
8 team comp within our own borders would be awesome, do it
What would it look like?

NSW, WA, Queensland, Rebels, ACT.

Where are the other three coming from? After an Adelaide side I assume?
Probably two NSW sides. Maybe even two Queensland sides.
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Jensrsa wrote:SR was always in trouble once SA and Oz started using it as a development competition. This and the problems with time zones affecting viewership, especially in Oz and NZ, set the comp on a downhill path.

It's time is over and the Covid-19 lockdowns did us a favour by allowing administrators to review options. And hopefully they come up with some solutions

There is no such word as "viewership". It is a recent commentator invention that is not recognised by proper dictionaries. I infer you mean "zones reducing viewer numbers". [/pedant].

Apart from that I'm not sure what you mean by "development", but agree with the rest of you post.
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Mullet 2 wrote:Where are the other three coming from? After an Adelaide side I assume?
Possibly not Adelaide, unless a big benefactor gets behind it. While it is a city of 1.3 million and does have premiership rugby, the standard of amateur competition there is still lagging. Would be a long-term project.

NSW and Qld could support more than one team. Sydney itself is a bigger polity than nz. Another possibility could be a side from Fiji, again dollars are what drives these options.
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Not a silly idea to have a couple NSW and Queensland sides. Would probably be quite good for each state.
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