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Out of curiosity, which guy from your nation do you feel watching him play for club should've erupted at int'l level but couldn't quite do that and never fulfilled his potential as a Rugby player ?
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This one is easy for Kiwis - Maori Jesus.
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There's a slew of opensides in Wales who would have likely have had long and decent international careers had there not been the competition. Tipuric, Navidi, Ellis Jenkins and James Davies could all be 50+ cappers (I know Tipuric is technically at that level, but the vast majority of his caps will have been from the bench).
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Piatau for NZ but it is more turned his back on than missed out
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Liam Gill
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Richard Kahui because of injuries. Would have been better than Conrad Smith.

Bruce Reihana and Roger Randell from the late 90s would have torn international teams to shreds but they were behind Lomu, Wilson, Cullen, Vidiri ect.
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In a parallel universe, Schalk Brits has played 100 tests and revolutionized the hooker’s role.
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J Man wrote:Richard Kahui because of injuries. Would have been better than Conrad Smith.
Big call IMO.
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ElementFreak wrote:
J Man wrote:Richard Kahui because of injuries. Would have been better than Conrad Smith.
Big call IMO.
He's right though. Conrad is the most sung unsung player of all time.
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CrazyIslander wrote:
ElementFreak wrote:
J Man wrote:Richard Kahui because of injuries. Would have been better than Conrad Smith.
Big call IMO.
He's right though. Conrad is the most sung unsung player of all time.
At what point do you just accept that despite looking gangly & ungainly he actually was just a better player than the more athletic lookign players though? He played 90 odd tests and did a sterling job for NZ for a decade.

Kahui looked very good early on and did a great job at wing, but I don't think there's a chance he'd have turned out better than Conrad in a million years.
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Manu Tuilagi. Through injury. Doubt we'll see him back in an England shirt.
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Piutau. What a waste.
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True Blue wrote:Piutau. What a waste.
Apparently he's the highest earning player in the world.
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Jay Cee Gee wrote:
CrazyIslander wrote:
ElementFreak wrote:
J Man wrote:Richard Kahui because of injuries. Would have been better than Conrad Smith.
Big call IMO.
He's right though. Conrad is the most sung unsung player of all time.
At what point do you just accept that despite looking gangly & ungainly he actually was just a better player than the more athletic lookign players though? He played 90 odd tests and did a sterling job for NZ for a decade.

Kahui looked very good early on and did a great job at wing, but I don't think there's a chance he'd have turned out better than Conrad in a million years.
Conrad Smith did a lot more than a sterling job. I never thought I would see a centre to match Bruce Robertson but the ungainly, odd-unathletic looking Smith came within a whisker. He did a magnificent job for the ABs.
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Kiwias wrote:
Jay Cee Gee wrote:
CrazyIslander wrote:
ElementFreak wrote:
J Man wrote:Richard Kahui because of injuries. Would have been better than Conrad Smith.
Big call IMO.
He's right though. Conrad is the most sung unsung player of all time.
At what point do you just accept that despite looking gangly & ungainly he actually was just a better player than the more athletic lookign players though? He played 90 odd tests and did a sterling job for NZ for a decade.

Kahui looked very good early on and did a great job at wing, but I don't think there's a chance he'd have turned out better than Conrad in a million years.
Conrad Smith did a lot more than a sterling job. I never thought I would see a centre to match Bruce Robertson but the ungainly, odd-unathletic looking Smith came within a whisker. He did a magnificent job for the ABs.
Preaching to the choir, bro.
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Isa Nacewa is another kiwi that could've had a long international career except for a stupid decision.
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Sinkers wrote:Manu Tuilagi. Through injury. Doubt we'll see him back in an England shirt.

Nah. Him and Billy both looked like short term investments when they came on the scene and I said as much.


Big lump of a player = will lose agility and speed sooner and have a shorter career. If you go for someone more lithe you will get many more years at international level out of them.
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Carl Hayman - should have 130 caps and two world cups but only ended up with three good years and enduring fame for being the 1000th All Black.
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Sonny Blount wrote:
Sinkers wrote:Manu Tuilagi. Through injury. Doubt we'll see him back in an England shirt.

Nah. Him and Billy both looked like short term investments when they came on the scene and I said as much.


Big lump of a player = will lose agility and speed sooner and have a shorter career. If you go for someone more lithe you will get many more years at international level out of them.
If only he was 2kg lighter like Ma'a.
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UncleFB wrote:
Sonny Blount wrote:
Sinkers wrote:Manu Tuilagi. Through injury. Doubt we'll see him back in an England shirt.

Nah. Him and Billy both looked like short term investments when they came on the scene and I said as much.


Big lump of a player = will lose agility and speed sooner and have a shorter career. If you go for someone more lithe you will get many more years at international level out of them.
If only he was 2kg lighter like Ma'a.

I am 5 kg lighter than Manu and I am am a fat, slow tub of lard.
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Keith wrote:Twelvetrees
Yes, I tipped him for great things. Such a shame.
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Not sure how recent you mean by recent

Huw Bennett - slated for greatness, just plateaued out
Morgan Stoddart - broke his leg as he was on the way up
Rhys Priestland - all the ability, lacked the mental fortitude
Chris Czekaj - broke his leg as he was on the way up (nickname was '28', referring to the score his name would earn in Scrabble)
Eli Walker - his whole body broke down
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Nehe Milner-Skudder

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Ardie Savea.
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Sonny Blount wrote:
UncleFB wrote:
Sonny Blount wrote:
Sinkers wrote:Manu Tuilagi. Through injury. Doubt we'll see him back in an England shirt.

Nah. Him and Billy both looked like short term investments when they came on the scene and I said as much.


Big lump of a player = will lose agility and speed sooner and have a shorter career. If you go for someone more lithe you will get many more years at international level out of them.
If only he was 2kg lighter like Ma'a.

I am 5 kg lighter than Manu and I am am a fat, slow tub of lard.
Your fatness and slowness is irrelevant, some big lumps of players have long careers, some wont. Some players are just unlucky injury wise no matter what their stature.
JB1981 wrote:Ardie Savea.
Assuming your serious, nope. Not even sure he's the second best 7 in NZ.
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Agreed, Savea is not the second best openside in NZ and in fairness he doesn't meet the criteria of the OP. It's not that he hasn't fulfilled his potential, it's more he has never justified the hype.
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Lionel Cronje - highly rated as a junior but never settled at any team. Briefly played to near his potential at the Kings last year
Stokkies Hanekom - potentially the best SA #13 since Jaque Fourie but injuries kept him out of the game for long stretches of time
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Charles Piutau
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Stefan Terblanche.
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Jensrsa wrote:Lionel Cronje - highly rated as a junior but never settled at any team. Briefly played to near his potential at the Kings last year
Stokkies Hanekom - potentially the best SA #13 since Jaque Fourie but injuries kept him out of the game for long stretches of time
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Add Gaffie du Toit.
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For Wales Jordan Williams could have had it all. However just didn't kick on and slopped backwards. Playing for the Dragons next year so may have 1 last chance
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Luke Fitzgerald: Not through bad attitude or anything, just was so injury prone. Had a fantastic career but could have been a 100 cap player if he was more robust.

Neil Best: Absolute wrecking ball back in the day. Combination of Eddie O'Sullivan having his untouchables and being a bit of a moron did him in though. Could have done so much more with his career.

JJ Hanrahan: Looked a superstar in the making at underage and broke through with Munster quite young. Was a star on same U20 team as Ian Henderson, Furlong, Conan etc. Might still happen but wouldn't hold my breath on current trajectory.
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caucau, had he been eligible for the AB's, ppl would be " Julian savea who"?
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He Man Rugger Pints wrote:Neil Best: Absolute wrecking ball back in the day. Combination of Eddie O'Sullivan having his untouchables and being a bit of a moron did him in though. Could have done so much more with his career.
Neil Best now coaches and plays here.
Still very tough to go up against I understand:
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Wilson's Toffee wrote:Stefan Terblanche.
It was a tragedy that he was never capped...
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Jay Cee Gee wrote:
CrazyIslander wrote:
ElementFreak wrote:
J Man wrote:Richard Kahui because of injuries. Would have been better than Conrad Smith.
Big call IMO.
He's right though. Conrad is the most sung unsung player of all time.
At what point do you just accept that despite looking gangly & ungainly he actually was just a better player than the more athletic lookign players though? He played 90 odd tests and did a sterling job for NZ for a decade.

Kahui looked very good early on and did a great job at wing, but I don't think there's a chance he'd have turned out better than Conrad in a million years.
IMO it's irrelevant, he's 4 years younger than Conrad and could've still been playing in NZ had he not been so injury prone. Would've made our depth a bit stronger if not been a regular starting AB.
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Cipriani
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Who now runs a fitness company here.
Why do we get all the has beens and never weres?
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