How does Scott Robertson rate in the pantheon of NZ coaches?

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Jeff the Bear wrote:Wasn't Deans equally fêted until he went abroad and bombed. Surely Robertson would have to go outside of NZ to 'prove' himself.
Geez Jeff, how many kiwi Welsh coaches do you want? :x

But yes, an international apprenticeship is the best audition for the big job. It can backfire if you fail with a traditional rival (eg Deans, though his failure now looks relative compared to the Wallaby coaches who succeeded him) but taking on a minnow like Scotland, Italy or Ireland can pay dividends.
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Kiwias wrote:
Wilderbeast wrote:Harsh on Henry and generous on Brown is my initial assessment of that list.
My take on Tony Brown is that he is a superb assistant coach, a bit like Wayne Smith, but does not rank in the top tier of professional coaches.
The question was 'how does Robertson rate in the pantheon of NZ coaches?'

Never was head-coach mentioned. Brown was the mastermind behind Japan's strategy at the world cup. Brown was also the architect of the Highlanders renaissance. The years before he entered their coaching set-up the Highlanders finished 11th, 9th 14th. With Brown on board: 5th, 1st, 2nd, 3rd.

If you ask the players they will tell you Brown has the best rugby mind around.

His reputation is as a modern tactical genius, and a coach who communicates extremely well with his players. He's seen in many ways as a modern-day Wayne Smith.
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naki wrote:
Jeff the Bear wrote:Wasn't Deans equally fêted until he went abroad and bombed. Surely Robertson would have to go outside of NZ to 'prove' himself.
Geez Jeff, how many kiwi Welsh coaches do you want? :x

But yes, an international apprenticeship is the best audition for the big job. It can backfire if you fail with a traditional rival (eg Deans, though his failure now looks relative compared to the Wallaby coaches who succeeded him)
Yeah Deans had to contend with both the ABs and Boks in the tri nations - both of those teams were ranked top 2 in world. If I remember correctly, his record against the Boks wasn't too shabby either.
but taking on a minnow like Scotland, Italy or Ireland can pay dividends.
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deverix wrote:
Kiwias wrote:
Wilderbeast wrote:Harsh on Henry and generous on Brown is my initial assessment of that list.
My take on Tony Brown is that he is a superb assistant coach, a bit like Wayne Smith, but does not rank in the top tier of professional coaches.
The question was 'how does Robertson rate in the pantheon of NZ coaches?'

Never was head-coach mentioned. Brown was the mastermind behind Japan's strategy at the world cup. Brown was also the architect of the Highlanders renaissance. The years before he entered their coaching set-up the Highlanders finished 11th, 9th 14th. With Brown on board: 5th, 1st, 2nd, 3rd.

If you ask the players they will tell you Brown has the best rugby mind around.

His reputation is as a modern tactical genius, and a coach who communicates extremely well with his players. He's seen in many ways as a modern day Wayne Smith.
Yeah, he is held in quite high regard by the players. Hayden Parker, Lima Sopoaga (before his form dropped off), and Josh Ioane all have credited him with their own development. He's proven to be a very good assistant. If we were talking Head coaches, then Brown wouldn't have had enough time in the head position to really form an opinion (One year for Highlanders in 2017, and a few seasons for Otago in NPC).
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How can you cite japans success for placing Brown so high and have Jamie Joseph at 10?
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I rate him very highly. His next move if he not become part of the ABs coaching set up is go over seas and continue coaching and build up his experience. He has already shown he best coach to coach ABs potentially. And he wont lose any coaching ability or nouse by going overseas but will get even better and smarter especially if he faces some adversity
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JB1981 wrote:You have missed a title with the under 20s in there too. He is certainly the Midas of NZ coaches with an ability to turn teams he touches into gold. Right now he must be the most successful NZ coach to have never coached the ABs (at least in the professional era). Without time with the ABs though it’s hard to place him. I think most of us, other than the NZ Rugby board, would agree that wherever Scott Robertson sits in the Pantheon, it is considerably higher than Ian Foster.
That was missed on purpose by AC, because then you have to add a loss into the record, in the supposedly, for NZ, unloseable competition.

I think this year has been the best year of coaching for Razor. This year's team has been the weakest he's had and they haven't missed a beat.

Although, like Glaston, I still would like to see coaches like Razor etc, who're used to the best cattle, have a year or two with a crap team like Manawatu to see how they go at elevating an average squad.
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Wilderbeast wrote:How can you cite japans success for placing Brown so high and have Jamie Joseph at 10?
Because deverix is assessing their tactical, strategic credentials and reputations rather than higher level results necessarily. Which is fair enough if that is the criteria, and why Wayne Smith (who had middling results as a head coach at the highest level) is right at the top and with good reason.

It's much easier to rate these coaches on pure head coach results and on that score the likes of Hansen and Henry would be way out in front. More interesting to judge them on their (of course more subjective) reputations as innovators of the game.
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UncleFB wrote:Although, like Glaston, I still would like to see coaches like Razor etc, who're used to the best cattle, have a year or two with a crap team like Manawatu to see how they go at elevating an average squad.
This Crusaders squad team isn't the strongest in the comp.

Besides, he did that with Sumner, taking a 2nd division club into the Premier division and then winning a title.
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UncleFB wrote:I think this year has been the best year of coaching for Razor. This year's team has been the weakest he's had and they haven't missed a beat.
Hugely impressive, that forward pack was substantially depowered for most of the comp and yet they frequently filleted other teams. Great systems and clearly fantastic technical coaching.

Mo makes a huge difference. I don't think the Saders canter home anywhere as easily with, say, Brett Cameron starting regularly
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naki wrote:
UncleFB wrote:I think this year has been the best year of coaching for Razor. This year's team has been the weakest he's had and they haven't missed a beat.
Hugely impressive, that forward pack was substantially depowered for most of the comp and yet they frequently filleted other teams. Great systems and clearly fantastic technical coaching.

Mo makes a huge difference. I don't think the Saders canter home anywhere as easily with, say, Brett Cameron starting regularly
If Brett Cameron was our first five we go 0-8.
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UncleFB wrote:Although, like Glaston, I still would like to see coaches like Razor etc, who're used to the best cattle, have a year or two with a crap team like Manawatu to see how they go at elevating an average squad.
This Crusaders squad team isn't the strongest in the comp.

Besides, he did that with Sumner, taking a 2nd division club into the Premier division and then winning a title.
The Crusaders that Robertson took over were tipped to come third in the NZ conference in 2017 which may not have even seen them make the playoffs.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newshu ... s.amp.html

He did ok elevating that team.
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Relax, UncleFB's comment was made solely to devalue the work Robertson has done.
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Ali's Choice wrote:Relax, UncleFB's comment was made solely to devalue the work Robertson has done.
I’d prefer Razor to Foster any day of the week - that was a just a little jab at you. ;)
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Ali's Choice wrote:
UncleFB wrote:Although, like Glaston, I still would like to see coaches like Razor etc, who're used to the best cattle, have a year or two with a crap team like Manawatu to see how they go at elevating an average squad.
This Crusaders squad team isn't the strongest in the comp.

Besides, he did that with Sumner, taking a 2nd division club into the Premier division and then winning a title.
An interesting comment, not something I’ve actually thought about. Which squad do you think is the strongest?
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Call me old fashioned but I expect that the All Blacks to have one of the better squads going around so even if Robertson has spend a lot of time getting the best out of top talent, that’s a plus. Seeing how he would do with someone like Hawkes Bay might be more meaningful if he was considering a role with Japan or Scotland.
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JB1981 wrote:Call me old fashioned but I expect that the All Blacks to have one of the better squads going around so even if Robertson has spend a lot of time getting the best out of top talent, that’s a plus. Seeing how he would do with someone like Hawkes Bay might be more meaningful if he was considering a role with Japan or Scotland.
I feel this point is often under appreciated.
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JB1981 wrote:
Ali's Choice wrote:
UncleFB wrote:Although, like Glaston, I still would like to see coaches like Razor etc, who're used to the best cattle, have a year or two with a crap team like Manawatu to see how they go at elevating an average squad.
This Crusaders squad team isn't the strongest in the comp.

Besides, he did that with Sumner, taking a 2nd division club into the Premier division and then winning a title.
The Crusaders that Robertson took over were tipped to come third in the NZ conference in 2017 which may not have even seen them make the playoffs.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newshu ... s.amp.html

He did ok elevating that team.
Potential 3rd best Super squad isn’t really Manawatu level. It’s was still a squad full of ABs and soon to be ABs.

Plus, my jabs were being thrown at AC no need for you to stick your face in front of them.
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deverix wrote:
Kiwias wrote:
Wilderbeast wrote:Harsh on Henry and generous on Brown is my initial assessment of that list.
My take on Tony Brown is that he is a superb assistant coach, a bit like Wayne Smith, but does not rank in the top tier of professional coaches.
The question was 'how does Robertson rate in the pantheon of NZ coaches?'

Never was head-coach mentioned. Brown was the mastermind behind Japan's strategy at the world cup. Brown was also the architect of the Highlanders renaissance. The years before he entered their coaching set-up the Highlanders finished 11th, 9th 14th. With Brown on board: 5th, 1st, 2nd, 3rd.

If you ask the players they will tell you Brown has the best rugby mind around.

His reputation is as a modern tactical genius, and a coach who communicates extremely well with his players. He's seen in many ways as a modern-day Wayne Smith.
Robertson is clearly the most successful professional coach in NZ. There, I've said it. And I still rate Tony Brown highly but see him as a better assistant coach than head coach.
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naki wrote:
Wilderbeast wrote:How can you cite japans success for placing Brown so high and have Jamie Joseph at 10?
Because deverix is assessing their tactical, strategic credentials and reputations rather than higher level results necessarily. Which is fair enough if that is the criteria, and why Wayne Smith (who had middling results as a head coach at the highest level) is right at the top and with good reason.

It's much easier to rate these coaches on pure head coach results and on that score the likes of Hansen and Henry would be way out in front. More interesting to judge them on their (of course more subjective) reputations as innovators of the game.
Exactly this.

In order to be a high-level coach in NZ rugby more often than not you need a great deal of luck/timing/opportunity and being on-side/behaving/towing the line with the establishment and being friends with the right people.

Most of Hansen's coaching opportunities arose thanks to his relationship with Steve Tew (it's no secret they were best mates) and he was fortunate enough to tag along with greats such as Wayne Smith and Graham Henry.

I think much of Hansen's success (more so than any NZ coach) came down to right time, right place.
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Wayne Smith has a shithouse head coach. Being an assistant coach is far easier than being head coach, they arent comparable.

If we were to rank these guys on their head coaching abilities then Wayne Smith would be down near 10th or worse, its flattering to the worse coaches by lumping them in with head coaches.
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RandomNavigat0r wrote:Being an assistant coach is far easier than being head coach, they arent comparable.

If we were to rank these guys on their head coaching abilities then Wayne Smith would be down near 10th or worse, its flattering to the worse coaches by lumping them in with head coaches.
Tactically strong/analytical coaches like Smith and Brown naturally tend to gravitate more towards assistant coaching roles because Head Coaches especially these days (with the addition of more area-specific assistant coaches) are generally more manager-types, performing a 'helicopter' role.

The role of the head coach has evolved so much over the past five or six years.

These days head coaches are getting further and further away from hands-on coaching.

With bigger playing numbers and more specialist coaches involved these days, the hands-on, on-the-field coaching responsibility is reduced in head-coaches, and gameplanning, attack, defense, breakdown, forwards etc.. is assigned to each department and not balanced squarely on the head coaches shoulders like the old days. The entire coaching team is critically important.

The Highlanders would've never won a title without Tony Brown. Though, they potentially could have without Jamie Joseph. That's not a slight on Joseph, their coaching relationship is critical, however Brown could've achieved great success as a head coach if he had desired to go down that path.

In saying this.. Scott Robertson as well as being an excellent manager (something that's overlooked by many) is that he is also very technically sound coach, at times still a very hand's on coach, but he understands the intricacies of the game extremely-well. His attention to detail is up there with the best. And tactically he's astute.

Scott Robertson is what I'd call multi-skilled head coach. Superb man-manger/motivator, communicator, selector, tactician and game analyzer. The complete package.

I would place other head coaches Eddie Jones and Joe Schmidt in this category also.

Head coaches such as Steve Hansen and Michael Cheika are what I'd label as one dimensional, single-skilled head coaches. Good operators and man-managers/motivators but strategically lacking and usually exposed without the assistance of tactically astute coaches in charge of the game-planning/analysis side of things.
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How can you possibly know the highlanders wouldn’t have won without brown but could have without Joseph? Seems like a lot of supposition to me.
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Wilderbeast wrote:How can you possibly know the highlanders wouldn’t have won without brown but could have without Joseph? Seems like a lot of supposition to me.
It's one of the most ridiculous comments I have ever read on this forum.
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Ali's Choice wrote:
Wilderbeast wrote:How can you possibly know the highlanders wouldn’t have won without brown but could have without Joseph? Seems like a lot of supposition to me.
It's one of the most ridiculous comments I have ever read on this forum.
He matches it with the very next sentence
Brown could've achieved great success as a head coach if he had desired to go down that path.
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If Razor was coaching the All Blacks I would be gutted if there was no test match rugby, with Fozzie its a collective sigh of relief.
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kiwinoz wrote:If Razor was coaching the All Blacks I would be gutted if there was no test match rugby, with Fozzie its a collective sigh of relief.
:lol:
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Off topic slightly but.... Latest from the Herald today
Crusaders head coach Scott Robertson is likely to ink a new deal with the franchise and New Zealand Rugby after claiming a fourth straight Super Rugby title with the Christchurch club. That is according to a report from the New Zealand Herald, which claims Robertson “is expected to announce his decision soon”.

The 45-year-old – who led the Crusaders to the inaugural Super Rugby Aotearoa crown with a 32-22 victory over the Highlanders at Orangetheory Stadium on Sunday – is off contract at the end of next season.

The Herald states that Robertson is looking to extend his deal with the Crusaders through to the end of the 2023 season.

That will coincide with the 2023 World Cup in France, after which the make-up of the All Blacks‘ coaching staff could undergo significant transformation.

Robertson last year missed out to Ian Foster in the race to become Steve Hansen’s successor as head coach of the All Blacks, with Foster signing a two-year deal with NZR to take the helm of the national side.

Provided the All Blacks don’t implode in whatever international matches they play in over the next year-and-a-half, it is difficult to see Foster not being retained through until France 2023.
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kiwinoz wrote:If Razor was coaching the All Blacks I would be gutted if there was no test match rugby, with Fozzie its a collective sigh of relief.
:lol: :lol: But true.
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JPNZ wrote:Off topic slightly but.... Latest from the Herald today
Crusaders head coach Scott Robertson is likely to ink a new deal with the franchise and New Zealand Rugby after claiming a fourth straight Super Rugby title with the Christchurch club. That is according to a report from the New Zealand Herald, which claims Robertson “is expected to announce his decision soon”.

The 45-year-old – who led the Crusaders to the inaugural Super Rugby Aotearoa crown with a 32-22 victory over the Highlanders at Orangetheory Stadium on Sunday – is off contract at the end of next season.

The Herald states that Robertson is looking to extend his deal with the Crusaders through to the end of the 2023 season.

That will coincide with the 2023 World Cup in France, after which the make-up of the All Blacks‘ coaching staff could undergo significant transformation.

Robertson last year missed out to Ian Foster in the race to become Steve Hansen’s successor as head coach of the All Blacks, with Foster signing a two-year deal with NZR to take the helm of the national side.

Provided the All Blacks don’t implode in whatever international matches they play in over the next year-and-a-half, it is difficult to see Foster not being retained through until France 2023.
Clearly NZR aren't interested in Robertson for the All Black role. If they weren't interested in him after winning 3 SR titles and 3 provincial titles, winning a few more titles won't make any difference. Besides, hes now behind Plumtree and Mooar for the AB head coach job.
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Peaches wrote:Once he stops looking like a homeless person he can coach the All Blacks
Nah, his problem is he isn't fat/ugly enough and he lacks man-boobs

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Ali's Choice wrote:
Peaches wrote:Once he stops looking like a homeless person he can coach the All Blacks
Nah, his problem is he isn't fat/ugly enough and he lacks man-boobs

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Wilderbeast wrote:How can you possibly know the highlanders wouldn’t have won without brown but could have without Joseph? Seems like a lot of supposition to me.
The Highlanders were an absolute train-wreck before Brown joined in 2014.

They finished 14th/15 in 2013, and 11th, 10th and 9th the previous years before that.

Furthermore, Jamie Joseph coached one of the most stacked Lions teams in NPC history. He was there for 8 years and they couldn't manage to win the title even once.

Unless you've been living under a rock, it's blindingly obvious that Tony Brown was the domineering influence over the Highlanders upswing and Japan's incredibly successful world cup campaign.
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deverix wrote:
Wilderbeast wrote:How can you possibly know the highlanders wouldn’t have won without brown but could have without Joseph? Seems like a lot of supposition to me.
The Highlanders were an absolute train-wreck before Brown joined in 2014.

They finished 14th/15 in 2013, and 11th, 10th and 9th the previous years before that.

Furthermore, Jamie Joseph coached one of the most stacked Lions teams in NPC history. He was there for 8 years and they couldn't manage to win the title even once.

Unless you've been living under a rock, it's blindingly obvious that Tony Brown was the domineering influence over the Highlanders upswing and Japan's incredibly successful world cup campaign.
It was actually my mate the S&C coach of both the Landers and Japan. Unless you’ve been living under a rock, it’s blindingly obvious that the inclusion of Jonesy raised the fitness levels to Next Level level.
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Ali's Choice wrote:
UncleFB wrote:Although, like Glaston, I still would like to see coaches like Razor etc, who're used to the best cattle, have a year or two with a crap team like Manawatu to see how they go at elevating an average squad.
This Crusaders squad team isn't the strongest in the comp.

Besides, he did that with Sumner, taking a 2nd division club into the Premier division and then winning a title.
How many Abs in the current Crusaders team compared to the other teams.
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Masterji wrote:
Ali's Choice wrote:
UncleFB wrote:Although, like Glaston, I still would like to see coaches like Razor etc, who're used to the best cattle, have a year or two with a crap team like Manawatu to see how they go at elevating an average squad.
This Crusaders squad team isn't the strongest in the comp.

Besides, he did that with Sumner, taking a 2nd division club into the Premier division and then winning a title.
How many Abs in the current Crusaders team compared to the other teams.
If you're talking about the All Blacks Robertson inherited (as opposed to developed himself)..

Then only Whitelock, Barrett, Taylor, Moody.

The rest were subsequently developed into All Blacks strictly under Robertson's coaching.

The same can't be said about the other franchises.

The Chiefs and Hurricanes All Blacks were developed into All Blacks during Dave Rennie/Colin Cooper's tenures (such as Lienert-Brown, Mackenzie, Cruden, Weber, Laulala, Atu-Moli, Harris, O'Neil, Cane, Ta'avao, Tahuriorangi, Jacobson..) and Mark Hammett/Chris Boyd's tenures (Perenara, A.Savea, J.Savea, Coles, B.Barrett, J.Barrett, Laumape, Fifita, Evans, Aumua, Lomax..)

In 2020, Gatland inherited 12 All Blacks, Holland inherited 11 All Blacks.

In 2020, Robertson inherited 3 All Blacks: Whitelock, Barrett, Moody, Taylor.

So why didn't the Chiefs or Hurricanes win Super Rugby in 2020?

Absolutely unacceptable considering both Gatland and Holland inherited a 'team of All Blacks' in 2020!

I'd say that very much puts the "Razor inherited a team of All Blacks" myth to bed.
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I don’t think anyone was making that argument...
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deverix wrote:
Masterji wrote:
Ali's Choice wrote:
UncleFB wrote:Although, like Glaston, I still would like to see coaches like Razor etc, who're used to the best cattle, have a year or two with a crap team like Manawatu to see how they go at elevating an average squad.
This Crusaders squad team isn't the strongest in the comp.

Besides, he did that with Sumner, taking a 2nd division club into the Premier division and then winning a title.
How many Abs in the current Crusaders team compared to the other teams.
If you're talking about the All Blacks Robertson inherited (as opposed to developed himself)..

Then only Whitelock, Taylor, Moody.

The rest were subsequently developed into All Blacks strictly under Robertson's coaching.

The same can't be said about the other franchises.

The Chiefs and Hurricanes All Blacks were developed into All Blacks during Dave Rennie/Colin Cooper's tenures (such as Lienert-Brown, Mackenzie, Cruden, Weber, Laulala, Atu-Moli, Harris, O'Neil, Cane, Ta'avao, Tahuriorangi, Jacobson..) and Mark Hammett/Chris Boyd's tenures (Perenara, A.Savea, J.Savea, Coles, B.Barrett, J.Barrett, Laumape, Fifita, Evans, Aumua, Lomax..)

Gatland inherited 12 All Blacks, Holland inherited 11 All Blacks.

In 2020, Robertson inherited only Whitelock, Moody and Taylor.

So why didn't the Chiefs or Hurricanes win Super Rugby in 2020?

I'd say that very much puts the "Razor inherited a team of All Blacks" myth to bed.
Except he also inherited Franks, Crockett, Read, Crotty, Todd and Romano.
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Re: How does Scott Robertson rate in the pantheon of NZ coac

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Wilderbeast wrote:I don’t think anyone was making that argument...
you were making that argument from day-one.
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