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https://www.sarugbymag.co.za/sa-franchi ... for-pro14/

Looks like the South African Super Rugby Franchises will be joining the Pro 14 next year. Will likely become a Pro 16 but not 100% clear if the Cheetah's will remain. If so they will need to find an 18th team to make a Pro 18.
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Why don't the Saffers just fudge off and play their own comp x(
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ZuLu wrote: Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:17 am Why don't the Saffers just fudge off and play their own comp x(
with all the lucre they used to tell us they had
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Imagine how rich the Pro 16 clubs will be with both South African and Welsh TV money
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Sounds good, would definitely enhance the league. The Kings can get lost as they add nothing but I'd feel sorry for the Cheetahs as they were decent enough. What's the story with qualifying for Europe?
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As long as the big 4 saffer teams are in it’s worthwhile. Will probably give 3/4 more competitive games across the Regular season. And the playoffs will be super competitive.

Realistically we’re going to have fark all crowds for a season or two so it’s all about tv.
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Sounds like 2 conferences of 2 Divisions that rotate.

Bundle the Scots with Italians to get 4 in 1 Division.
Year 1: Welsh/Irish - ScoIt/SA
Year 2: Welsh/SA - Irish/ScoIt
Year 3: Welsh/ScoIt - Irish/SA

Home and away in your conference = 14 games
Home or away in other conference = 8 games
QF, SF, F - top 4 per conference regardless of nationality
Total min 22 or max 25 games
Min 6, max 9 in Europe
Total min 28 or max 34 games per year

12 internationals per year
5 x 6N
3 x Summer
4 x AIs

So that's 46 games

6 week pres season

That's 52

Too many weeks taken up - need to reduce by min 6 for player welfare
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The SA teams, and I know they're the crap ones, have added very little to the league so... Let's add more of them!
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danthefan wrote: Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:19 pm The SA teams, and I know they're the crap ones, have added very little to the league so... Let's add more of them!
Cheetahs were/are OK. The Kings are/were a joke
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LandOTurk wrote: Sun Aug 30, 2020 9:56 pm Sounds like 2 conferences of 2 Divisions that rotate.

Bundle the Scots with Italians to get 4 in 1 Division.
Year 1: Welsh/Irish - ScoIt/SA
Year 2: Welsh/SA - Irish/ScoIt
Year 3: Welsh/ScoIt - Irish/SA

Home and away in your conference = 14 games
Home or away in other conference = 8 games
QF, SF, F - top 4 per conference regardless of nationality
Total min 22 or max 25 games
Min 6, max 9 in Europe
Total min 28 or max 34 games per year

12 internationals per year
5 x 6N
3 x Summer
4 x AIs

So that's 46 games

6 week pres season

That's 52

Too many weeks taken up - need to reduce by min 6 for player welfare

A Pro 18 Could work

2 Conferences of 9.
Play each team in Conference twice and the other Conferences once = 25 games.
Then have Quarter Finals, Semi Final and Final = 28 games

This is one less than the Maximum in the Top 14 in France which has
14 team Double Round Robin = 26 games
Then has Semi Final Playoff, Semi Final and Final = 29 games

Rotate Squads for Player Welfare Issues.
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LandOTurk wrote: Sun Aug 30, 2020 9:56 pm Sounds like 2 conferences of 2 Divisions that rotate.

Bundle the Scots with Italians to get 4 in 1 Division.
Year 1: Welsh/Irish - ScoIt/SA
Year 2: Welsh/SA - Irish/ScoIt
Year 3: Welsh/ScoIt - Irish/SA

Home and away in your conference = 14 games
Home or away in other conference = 8 games
QF, SF, F - top 4 per conference regardless of nationality
Total min 22 or max 25 games
Min 6, max 9 in Europe
Total min 28 or max 34 games per year

12 internationals per year
5 x 6N
3 x Summer
4 x AIs

So that's 46 games

6 week pres season

That's 52

Too many weeks taken up - need to reduce by min 6 for player welfare
Top 3 per conference works better - you can't be having fully 50% of the teams getting into the playoffs
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:thumbdown:

Look how successful it was in Super Rugby to just add more and more geographically distant teams with no culture of rivalry.
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LandOTurk wrote: Sun Aug 30, 2020 9:56 pm Sounds like 2 conferences of 2 Divisions that rotate.

Bundle the Scots with Italians to get 4 in 1 Division.
Year 1: Welsh/Irish - ScoIt/SA
Year 2: Welsh/SA - Irish/ScoIt
Year 3: Welsh/ScoIt - Irish/SA

Home and away in your conference = 14 games
Home or away in other conference = 8 games
QF, SF, F - top 4 per conference regardless of nationality
Total min 22 or max 25 games
Min 6, max 9 in Europe
Total min 28 or max 34 games per year

12 internationals per year
5 x 6N
3 x Summer
4 x AIs

So that's 46 games

6 week pres season

That's 52

Too many weeks taken up - need to reduce by min 6 for player welfare
That is definitely too many games, and I doubt they'd split the teams like that either.

Most likely an even split from each country into each conference. Then play everyone once. Add another three rounds of local derby games. That is 18. Conference leader gets a home semi from each. 2nd place home against 3rd place in other conference for right to go into semi-final. 21 weekends of games total. Add 9 for Europe and 12 for internationals and you have 10 weeks for off/pre-season
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If you play everyone once then there's no need for 2 conferences.

1-2 place into semis

3v6
4v5

Done.

Not the worst suggestion I've heard.


Remember as well though that there is some overlap between league games and Internationals, so its not quite 46 weeks out of the year or whatever.
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PornDog wrote: Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:00 pm If you play everyone once then there's no need for 2 conferences.

1-2 place into semis

3v6
4v5

Done.

Not the worst suggestion I've heard.


Remember as well though that there is some overlap between league games and Internationals, so its not quite 46 weeks out of the year or whatever.
You have to have the Welsh, Irish and Scottish derbies. Scarlets-Ospreys is by far our biggest games of the season. Doing just a home or away takes a huge game out of the season. The P14 has 21 games in part because of this. I could drop a Blues and Dragons game to home or away though.
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LandOTurk wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:11 am
PornDog wrote: Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:00 pm If you play everyone once then there's no need for 2 conferences.

1-2 place into semis

3v6
4v5

Done.

Not the worst suggestion I've heard.


Remember as well though that there is some overlap between league games and Internationals, so its not quite 46 weeks out of the year or whatever.
You have to have the Welsh, Irish and Scottish derbies. Scarlets-Ospreys is by far our biggest games of the season. Doing just a home or away takes a huge game out of the season. The P14 has 21 games in part because of this. I could drop a Blues and Dragons game to home or away though.
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paddyor wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:52 am
LandOTurk wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:11 am
PornDog wrote: Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:00 pm If you play everyone once then there's no need for 2 conferences.

1-2 place into semis

3v6
4v5

Done.

Not the worst suggestion I've heard.


Remember as well though that there is some overlap between league games and Internationals, so its not quite 46 weeks out of the year or whatever.
You have to have the Welsh, Irish and Scottish derbies. Scarlets-Ospreys is by far our biggest games of the season. Doing just a home or away takes a huge game out of the season. The P14 has 21 games in part because of this. I could drop a Blues and Dragons game to home or away though.
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I'd imagine the current structures gives a nod to their thinking - everyone plays home and away against teams from their home country (twice in the case of the countries with 2 teams participating), so I'd imagine that would continue

With 16 teams you can't do a simple single league of home and away as 30 games is just too many. 15 games is too few if you do just a single home-or-away structure, even if you introduce play-offs (which I think feels fairly artificial if you have just a single conference, albeit I suppose you get used it as they have in England and France). So I'd be pretty sure you'll have multiple conferences. With 16 teams that means 2x8 or 4x4

An extension of the current model of play your own conference home-and-away and the other one home-or-away would be too many games I think - an addition of 3 games to the current schedule (2 of which, on average, are going to involve a trip to SA), unless they get rid of the local derbies, but that is probably not going to work for most countries.

They might consider the kind of structure that I think the EDF cup may have had in England a few years back - 4 groups of 4, where you play home and away against teams in other conferences, but don't actually play teams in your own conference. It sounds a bit weird, but it would give you home and away derbies as part of a 24 game regular season. Play-offs could be a number of variants:
- 4 pool winners into semi-finals
- 4 pool winners play 4 runners-up in QFs
- top 2 pool winners go to semi, with remaining two runners up and best two second places playing for the other 2 semi-final places

Any news on when this might actually materialise - 21/22 season?
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I know I am probably alone in this but I like the following format

Conference 1 6 South African Teams
Conference 2 4 Welsh and 2 Italian Teams
Conference 3 4 Irish and 2 Scottish Teams

Each Team plays the other 5 teams in their conference twice and the other 12 teams once.
This means that every team plays each over at least once. (the main issue with Super Rugby's conference system.

There will be 22 games in in the main league

Then have a 6 Team play off with the top 2 ranked teams getting bye's to the semi Finals.

There will be an extra 3 games maximum in the play off rounds. Meaning a min and max of 22 and 25 games.

European Qualification would be the top 3 teams in Conference 2 and 3 until such point as the South African Teams area allowed in.
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mdaclarke wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:20 pm I know I am probably alone in this but I like the following format

Conference 1 6 South African Teams
Conference 2 4 Welsh and 2 Italian Teams
Conference 3 4 Irish and 2 Scottish Teams

Each Team plays the other 5 teams in their conference twice and the other 12 teams once.
This means that every team plays each over at least once. (the main issue with Super Rugby's conference system.

There will be 22 games in in the main league

Then have a 6 Team play off with the top 2 ranked teams getting bye's to the semi Finals.

There will be an extra 3 games maximum in the play off rounds. Meaning a min and max of 22 and 25 games.

European Qualification would be the top 3 teams in Conference 2 and 3 until such point as the South African Teams area allowed in.
Its taking the very worst iteration of Super Rugby and applying it to the Pro Whatever and expecting that this time it will be awesome instead of a complete and utter abject failure like it was last time.

Don't get me wrong, if we had to go down this route, then being in the same group as the Scots is the best possible outcome, but its just such a God awful format i actually think I'd just give up on the whole f**king project!
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PornDog wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:43 pm
mdaclarke wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:20 pm I know I am probably alone in this but I like the following format

Conference 1 6 South African Teams
Conference 2 4 Welsh and 2 Italian Teams
Conference 3 4 Irish and 2 Scottish Teams

Each Team plays the other 5 teams in their conference twice and the other 12 teams once.
This means that every team plays each over at least once. (the main issue with Super Rugby's conference system.

There will be 22 games in in the main league

Then have a 6 Team play off with the top 2 ranked teams getting bye's to the semi Finals.

There will be an extra 3 games maximum in the play off rounds. Meaning a min and max of 22 and 25 games.

European Qualification would be the top 3 teams in Conference 2 and 3 until such point as the South African Teams area allowed in.
Its taking the very worst iteration of Super Rugby and applying it to the Pro Whatever and expecting that this time it will be awesome instead of a complete and utter abject failure like it was last time.

Don't get me wrong, if we had to go down this route, then being in the same group as the Scots is the best possible outcome, but its just such a God awful format i actually think I'd just give up on the whole f**king project!
The main problem with Super Rugby Conference system is that the teams didn't all play each other. For example one year a team could avoid the Crusaders. In this system each team would play every other team at least once.
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mdaclarke wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:09 pm
PornDog wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:43 pm
mdaclarke wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:20 pm I know I am probably alone in this but I like the following format

Conference 1 6 South African Teams
Conference 2 4 Welsh and 2 Italian Teams
Conference 3 4 Irish and 2 Scottish Teams

Each Team plays the other 5 teams in their conference twice and the other 12 teams once.
This means that every team plays each over at least once. (the main issue with Super Rugby's conference system.

There will be 22 games in in the main league

Then have a 6 Team play off with the top 2 ranked teams getting bye's to the semi Finals.

There will be an extra 3 games maximum in the play off rounds. Meaning a min and max of 22 and 25 games.

European Qualification would be the top 3 teams in Conference 2 and 3 until such point as the South African Teams area allowed in.
Its taking the very worst iteration of Super Rugby and applying it to the Pro Whatever and expecting that this time it will be awesome instead of a complete and utter abject failure like it was last time.

Don't get me wrong, if we had to go down this route, then being in the same group as the Scots is the best possible outcome, but its just such a God awful format i actually think I'd just give up on the whole f**king project!
The main problem with Super Rugby Conference system is that the teams didn't all play each other. For example one year a team could avoid the Crusaders. In this system each team would play every other team at least once.
It's still f**king shit though. The quality between groups will be vastly different. One group with presumably a good mix between top, middle and lower tier teams, another with top and middle tier teams and the other with middle and lower tier teams (with the occasional form blip of performance).

You could have the third placed team in one group having a better record than the second place team in another group. You could also have the top team in one group have a great record because they got to play 3 of the shittest teams in the league twice.

It would, rightly, cause significant fan frustration. Which is the very last thing you want to do when f**king around with a competition's format.
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PornDog wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:00 am

It would, rightly, cause significant fan frustration.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Yes, what a new thing that would be for the ProWhateverNumber it is This Week
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PornDog wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:00 am
mdaclarke wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:09 pm
PornDog wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:43 pm
mdaclarke wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:20 pm I know I am probably alone in this but I like the following format

Conference 1 6 South African Teams
Conference 2 4 Welsh and 2 Italian Teams
Conference 3 4 Irish and 2 Scottish Teams

Each Team plays the other 5 teams in their conference twice and the other 12 teams once.
This means that every team plays each over at least once. (the main issue with Super Rugby's conference system.

There will be 22 games in in the main league

Then have a 6 Team play off with the top 2 ranked teams getting bye's to the semi Finals.

There will be an extra 3 games maximum in the play off rounds. Meaning a min and max of 22 and 25 games.

European Qualification would be the top 3 teams in Conference 2 and 3 until such point as the South African Teams area allowed in.
Its taking the very worst iteration of Super Rugby and applying it to the Pro Whatever and expecting that this time it will be awesome instead of a complete and utter abject failure like it was last time.

Don't get me wrong, if we had to go down this route, then being in the same group as the Scots is the best possible outcome, but its just such a God awful format i actually think I'd just give up on the whole f**king project!
The main problem with Super Rugby Conference system is that the teams didn't all play each other. For example one year a team could avoid the Crusaders. In this system each team would play every other team at least once.
It's still f**king shit though. The quality between groups will be vastly different. One group with presumably a good mix between top, middle and lower tier teams, another with top and middle tier teams and the other with middle and lower tier teams (with the occasional form blip of performance).

You could have the third placed team in one group having a better record than the second place team in another group. You could also have the top team in one group have a great record because they got to play 3 of the shittest teams in the league twice.

It would, rightly, cause significant fan frustration. Which is the very last thing you want to do when f**king around with a competition's format.
Is it any worse than the nonsense system we have today?
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crouchy wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 11:12 am
PornDog wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:00 am
mdaclarke wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:09 pm
PornDog wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:43 pm
mdaclarke wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:20 pm I know I am probably alone in this but I like the following format

Conference 1 6 South African Teams
Conference 2 4 Welsh and 2 Italian Teams
Conference 3 4 Irish and 2 Scottish Teams

Each Team plays the other 5 teams in their conference twice and the other 12 teams once.
This means that every team plays each over at least once. (the main issue with Super Rugby's conference system.

There will be 22 games in in the main league

Then have a 6 Team play off with the top 2 ranked teams getting bye's to the semi Finals.

There will be an extra 3 games maximum in the play off rounds. Meaning a min and max of 22 and 25 games.

European Qualification would be the top 3 teams in Conference 2 and 3 until such point as the South African Teams area allowed in.
Its taking the very worst iteration of Super Rugby and applying it to the Pro Whatever and expecting that this time it will be awesome instead of a complete and utter abject failure like it was last time.

Don't get me wrong, if we had to go down this route, then being in the same group as the Scots is the best possible outcome, but its just such a God awful format i actually think I'd just give up on the whole f**king project!
The main problem with Super Rugby Conference system is that the teams didn't all play each other. For example one year a team could avoid the Crusaders. In this system each team would play every other team at least once.
It's still f**king shit though. The quality between groups will be vastly different. One group with presumably a good mix between top, middle and lower tier teams, another with top and middle tier teams and the other with middle and lower tier teams (with the occasional form blip of performance).

You could have the third placed team in one group having a better record than the second place team in another group. You could also have the top team in one group have a great record because they got to play 3 of the shittest teams in the league twice.

It would, rightly, cause significant fan frustration. Which is the very last thing you want to do when f**king around with a competition's format.
Is it any worse than the nonsense system we have today?
Yes. much much worse. And that is in no way an endorsement of what we have now.
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A format that could work is tohave a top and bottom division of 9 teams playing home and away + 8 cross divisional matches which ensure all the derbies are scheduled along with as few games between top flight teams and bottom with no derby connection.
Creates a 24 game season with final at the end (no barrage / SF)
2 teams automatically promoted and relegated with the 7th place team in Div 1 playing 3rd place in div 2 to decide final place.
Divisions will both be more competetive by design (all the good teams in top division and crap in bottom), this will make it more likely teams in 3-6th place will have potential to make final/relagation in the final weeks
Top three teams in Div 2 have a lot to play for and again likely 4-5 teams in bottom division in contention for top three spots up to the end.
Teams get to choose the 4 home match opposition for the cross divisional matches - this will ensure all derbies (unless 5/1 split of SA teams)
Means that 8 home matches are against teams at similar level in competetive league + 1 or more home derbies against mismatches and only 1 or 2 mismatch home matches. This will sell season tcikets (post covid etc)
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The contraints to a league fomat are:

Schedule - needs to fit within 25 weeks
Derby matches included
Fair
Minimise uninteresting mismatches

Splitting the league into a top division (Div1) and bottom (Div2) which use up 18 of the fixtures and using an additionla 8 to cover derbies does all of the above. Some would argue that one team got 8 harder matches against teams in the other division but it would not be allowed to play the same team more than once home or away (Scarletts can't play dragons 8 times in a season)
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I can't see any chance of a two division structure - the lower division would be of fuhck-all interest to sponsors and viewers, and depending on who takes it seriously could well end up being Leinster, Embra, Ulster, Glasgow, plus Munster and the other 4 SA sides - I'm just not sure there is enough variety there. Plus most of the cross-divisional matches would be dead ducks I'd say -why would the lower division really care? Certainly if they're not in contention for top few places.

I understand why the SA sides want in, and I know that the Cheetahs and Kings (especially) have been pretty poor and lack much name recognition in their squads. I'm not sure I'd get that much more excited about the main SA sides either though - they'll undoubtedly be a lot better, but I think to the extent that the Pro/Celtic-X has worked, I think it has been on the back of the inter-country rivalry of the 6N and the player familiarity. Selfishly, now that the Scots and Italians have made some strides I think if the Welsh started taking it any way seriously instead of obsessing about raising their petticoats to the slightest glance from over Offas dyke, we'd have the makings of a pretty strong competition. That brief period back in the day where the Hairsprays had their galacticos and Cardiff and Scarlets could be relied on for at least occasional big games was a decent period in the league - especially when you consider where the Scots were at the time.
Much as I love Leinster doing what they're doing, it isn't good for the league that Leinster have won 4 of the last 7 and been finalists in 8 of the last 10. In fact only 7 teams have contested the last 10 finals and 4 of those are Irish
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DeDoc wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:38 pm I can't see any chance of a two division structure -
The sponsors and TV would be for the total competition and the level of interest in the non-derby matches in the lower division would be low because you are putting them all together so that there is more meetings of the top division teams with each other.
Hadn't really considered the variety as a major factor - do we think a top SA team really cares if they are in a league with similar level teams and some crap other SA teams and maybe 2-3 games a year against lower NH teams - not sure it is a big draw, I feel supporters prefer evenly matched or local rivals more than some varietym leave that to the challange cup
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Example of fixture list

will need to figure outway to post so in readable format
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Conferences are shite.

Bin off the italians, bin off the saffers and have a celtic fùcking league
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Sidney Parade wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:04 pm
DeDoc wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:38 pm I can't see any chance of a two division structure -
The sponsors and TV would be for the total competition and the level of interest in the non-derby matches in the lower division would be low because you are putting them all together so that there is more meetings of the top division teams with each other.
Hadn't really considered the variety as a major factor - do we think a top SA team really cares if they are in a league with similar level teams and some crap other SA teams and maybe 2-3 games a year against lower NH teams - not sure it is a big draw, I feel supporters prefer evenly matched or local rivals more than some varietym leave that to the challange cup
Look at this way - the biggest league games in most countries are the derbies. So why don't we just have our own local league with double or triple home and away? Cos it's too samey - see the way the 3N (as was) devalued the Bledisoe and the SA-NZ rivalries because they ended up playing 4 or 5 games a year
I'd say a reasonable rule of thumb might be not playing teams more than twice (home and away) in regular season and at least 10 teams in a league
Regarding the split (by standard of team) format, I don't think there are enough (extra) good games in the top tier to compensate for (next to) zero interest in the bottom tier. More importantly though, I think the economics are terrible for the teams who don't make the top tier - sponsorship is going to be hard to come by, attendances will drop and very quickly there will be pressure from the top tier teams to take a bigger piece of the TV money
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Agree that playing the same team over and over in a league diminishes the importance - would only be a single home and away fixture against any other club in a season in the league .
The point you raise about the lower division clubs is a bigger issue, assuming we don't let the english get involved the tv and sponsorship money can be evenly distributed, howver the interest levels would be low. On the other hand the interest levels on where in the bottom half of the league dragons or Zebre finish up is pretty low right now as well
Importantly it would be a single competition with 9 games a round for 24 rounds, 7 or more of those games will be between teams in the same division or from the same country, this should give enough for a decent highlights package at the end of the weekend.
A typical weekend of 9 games will have 3 Div1 clashes, 3 Div2, 1 cross division local derby and two cross division games. Some of the Divisional clashes will also by local country derbies as well. This format maximises the relevance of the highest number of matches.
A lot does depend on decent sharing of the tv and sponsership rights to all clubs in the league but that could be agreed beforehand
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SA Rugby’s long-standing commitments are to field two teams in the Guinness PRO14 and in light of the withdrawal of the Southern Kings, discussions are on-going about fulfilling this agreement from 2021 using a replacement team from its current professional franchises.
https://www.pro14.rugby/latest/news/gui ... NE6F_RbNuU

From 2021? Please tell me they are not adding teams halfway through the season.

This joke league needs to be ripped up to let CVC work their magic. Pathetic.
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Kid A wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:53 am
SA Rugby’s long-standing commitments are to field two teams in the Guinness PRO14 and in light of the withdrawal of the Southern Kings, discussions are on-going about fulfilling this agreement from 2021 using a replacement team from its current professional franchises.
https://www.pro14.rugby/latest/news/gui ... NE6F_RbNuU

From 2021? Please tell me they are not adding teams halfway through the season.

This joke league needs to be ripped up to let CVC work their magic. Pathetic.
Given that all NH rugby is on the verge of being cancelled, there are bigger things to worry about.
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Leinster in London wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:08 pm
Kid A wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:53 am
SA Rugby’s long-standing commitments are to field two teams in the Guinness PRO14 and in light of the withdrawal of the Southern Kings, discussions are on-going about fulfilling this agreement from 2021 using a replacement team from its current professional franchises.
https://www.pro14.rugby/latest/news/gui ... NE6F_RbNuU

From 2021? Please tell me they are not adding teams halfway through the season.

This joke league needs to be ripped up to let CVC work their magic. Pathetic.
Given that all NH rugby is on the verge of being cancelled, there are bigger things to worry about.
LOLZ, why bother having a rugby forum in the first place then? There are bigger things to worry about.
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Munster-fogs wrote: Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:44 am Sounds good, would definitely enhance the league. The Kings can get lost as they add nothing but I'd feel sorry for the Cheetahs as they were decent enough. What's the story with qualifying for Europe?
The Kings have already disbanded I believe. Allow the Cheetahs in, merge up the Italian teams and then you're back to even numbers. SA teams won't be in Europe.
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hermie wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:23 pm
Munster-fogs wrote: Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:44 am Sounds good, would definitely enhance the league. The Kings can get lost as they add nothing but I'd feel sorry for the Cheetahs as they were decent enough. What's the story with qualifying for Europe?
The Kings have already disbanded I believe. Allow the Cheetahs in, merge up the Italian teams and then you're back to even numbers. SA teams won't be in Europe.
Why the Italian teams and not the Scottish teams?

Another nonsense idea.
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Nolanator wrote: Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:51 pm :thumbdown:

Look how successful it was in Super Rugby to just add more and more geographically distant teams with no culture of rivalry.
The problem in Super rugby was crossing all the time zones. I think it could be great if we get the Top Saffa teams with all their Springboks. It could lead to alot of Saffa players going home to play.
It will certainly make the league stronger, also would be a real test the Irish Forward packs which would help them prepare for the likes of Sarries.
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Kid A wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:28 pm
hermie wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:23 pm
Munster-fogs wrote: Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:44 am Sounds good, would definitely enhance the league. The Kings can get lost as they add nothing but I'd feel sorry for the Cheetahs as they were decent enough. What's the story with qualifying for Europe?
The Kings have already disbanded I believe. Allow the Cheetahs in, merge up the Italian teams and then you're back to even numbers. SA teams won't be in Europe.
Why the Italian teams and not the Scottish teams?

Another nonsense idea.
Both the Scottish teams are competitive, Zebre aren't. Also I would be less in favour of cutting Celtic sides if possible.
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