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Whether you can or can't actually vote IRL, In, or Out
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 5:55 pm 
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Glaston wrote:
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The Conservatives (75% of MPs)


Guido has it as 30% of tory MP's in
40% as out and rest undecided


There are only going to be 80-90 pro Brexit Conservative MPs. The Eurosceptics were hoping for 150+.


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Actually in the case of Brexit, and Ireland takes in eastern european migrants like it has been doing, would the UK reintroduce border controls between Ireland and Northern Ireland? That would be nasty and could kick off more trouble. It's scaremongering if we know the UK government wouldn't actually do that, but what if they felt it was necessary to stop migrants entering the UK illegally?


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Seneca of the Night wrote:
iarmhiman wrote:
Actually in the case of Brexit, and Ireland takes in eastern european refugees like it has been doing, would the UK reintroduce border controls between Ireland and Northern Ireland? That would be nasty and could kick off more trouble. It's scaremongering if we know the UK government wouldn't actually do that, but what if they felt it was necessary to stop migrants entering the UK illegally?


Where are these refugees coming from in Eastern Europe?


Edited. I'm all over the place today with this dreadful hangover.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 6:19 pm 
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iarmhiman wrote:
Actually in the case of Brexit, and Ireland takes in eastern european migrants like it has been doing, would the UK reintroduce border controls between Ireland and Northern Ireland? That would be nasty and could kick off more trouble. It's scaremongering if we know the UK government wouldn't actually do that, but what if they felt it was necessary to stop migrants entering the UK illegally?


They wouldn't simply. There have never been border control controls between Ireland and the UK.


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Tim. wrote:
iarmhiman wrote:
Actually in the case of Brexit, and Ireland takes in eastern european migrants like it has been doing, would the UK reintroduce border controls between Ireland and Northern Ireland? That would be nasty and could kick off more trouble. It's scaremongering if we know the UK government wouldn't actually do that, but what if they felt it was necessary to stop migrants entering the UK illegally?


They wouldn't simply. There have never been border control controls between Ireland and the UK.


There were up until the 90s for obvious reasons but what if the British government felt they were necessary for keeping their borders secure?


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 6:23 pm 
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Leaving the EU makes zero sense for Northern Ireland.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 6:25 pm 
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As a point of reference, the amount child benefit paid to children living abroad in the rest of the EU is 25 million quid. Ie fudge all , a rounding error, an irrelevant amount. Jeez it's depressing.


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Leaving the EU makes zero sense for Northern Ireland.


Why are the DUP voting to leave?

Interested to hear Willie Faloon's views on this. Would NI farmers stop getting their grants in the event of a Brexit?


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 6:34 pm 
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UK has a great deal. We are in the EU and can trade freely but:

- No Schengen
- No Euro
- No 'ever closer union' or a United State of Europe for us
- No disadvantage from being outside the disasterous Eurozone.

We would be mad to get out now.


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terryfinch wrote:
UK has a great deal. We are in the EU and can trade freely but:

- No Schengen
- No Euro
- No 'ever closer union' or a United State of Europe for us
- No disadvantage from being outside the disasterous Eurozone.

We would be mad to get out now.

It's not confirmed.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 6:36 pm 
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if you are into democracy and accountability its has to be out

how could anybody vote to stay in without being able to name the top table eu leaders, who pass so many laws that effect them, its totally bizarre

nothing will change if we leave the 'european project'. will countries cut their nose off to spite their face i doubt it, we will still share trade, intelligence on terrorism, criminal activity, it benefits nobody to stop.

this vote is probably the most important vote i will ever have, if any uk government cannot govern the uk without eu interference, then it makes it more important than a general election. our elected ministers are pish, but at least they are ours

hopefully we can get this layer of government cut away, then concentrate on ending the other non-elected gravy train, the house of lords


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nothing will change if we leave the 'european project'.

Jaysus :lol:


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 6:41 pm 
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fisgard792 wrote:
if you are into democracy and accountability its has to be out

how could anybody vote to stay in without being able to name the top table eu leaders, who pass so many laws that effect them, its totally bizarre

nothing will change if we leave the 'european project'. will countries cut their nose off to spite their face i doubt it, we will still share trade, intelligence on terrorism, criminal activity, it benefits nobody to stop.

this vote is probably the most important vote i will ever have, if any uk government cannot govern the uk without eu interference, then it makes it more important than a general election. our elected ministers are pish, but at least they are ours

hopefully we can get this layer of government cut away, then concentrate on ending the other non-elected gravy train, the house of lords



We will have to sign up to most EU regulation to have any sort of trade with them. If we're not a member we have no input to said regulations. It's a perverse situation but Cameron's potential vetos could give us less European influence than exit.


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ZappaMan wrote:
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nothing will change if we leave the 'european project'.

Jaysus :lol:


so what do you think will fundamentally change?


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fisgard792 wrote:
ZappaMan wrote:
fisgard792 wrote:
nothing will change if we leave the 'european project'.

Jaysus :lol:


so what do you think will fundamentally change?


None of us really know and you don't either. What we know is the UK businesses don't want a Brexit. Businesses don't like uncertainty.


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iarmhiman wrote:
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Leaving the EU makes zero sense for Northern Ireland.


Why are the DUP voting to leave?

Interested to hear Willie Faloon's views on this. Would NI farmers stop getting their grants in the event of a Brexit?

Because it's a nice opportunity for then to drape themselves in union flags whilst shunning a closer relationship with the South, and appeal to the lowest common denominator of their electorate.


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Wendigo7 wrote:
terryfinch wrote:
UK has a great deal. We are in the EU and can trade freely but:

- No Schengen
- No Euro
- No 'ever closer union' or a United State of Europe for us
- No disadvantage from being outside the disasterous Eurozone.

We would be mad to get out now.

It's not confirmed.



We would be mad to get out. We have the best of both worlds. The rest is just noise.


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June 23rd then...


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tabascoboy wrote:
June 23rd then...

Let the bullshit begin!


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Wendigo7 wrote:
terryfinch wrote:
UK has a great deal. We are in the EU and can trade freely but:

- No Schengen
- No Euro
- No 'ever closer union' or a United State of Europe for us
- No disadvantage from being outside the disasterous Eurozone.

We would be mad to get out now.

It's not confirmed.


Has all this been written into a treaty, or is it just an agreement between national leaders with no obligation upon their sucessors?


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AND-y wrote:
tabascoboy wrote:
June 23rd then...

Let the bullshit begin!

Nigel Farage will be knocking one out.


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terryfinch wrote:
UK has a great deal. We are in the EU and can trade freely but:

- No Schengen
- No Euro
- No 'ever closer union' or a United State of Europe for us
- No disadvantage from being outside the disasterous Eurozone.

We would be mad to get out now.

Enjoy this ladies, Terry and I in agreement is a once in a lifetime experience.


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Gove for PM


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Sefton wrote:
terryfinch wrote:
UK has a great deal. We are in the EU and can trade freely but:

- No Schengen
- No Euro
- No 'ever closer union' or a United State of Europe for us
- No disadvantage from being outside the disasterous Eurozone.

We would be mad to get out now.

Enjoy this ladies, Terry and I in agreement is a once in a lifetime experience.



Sefton, you are rarely correct on anything but, in this case, you appear to be right which is good! Must admit the terrifying sight of Nigel Farage, George Galloway and Ian Duncan Smith leading the charge against us is a worry. :lol:


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cachao wrote:
Wendigo7 wrote:
terryfinch wrote:
UK has a great deal. We are in the EU and can trade freely but:

- No Schengen
- No Euro
- No 'ever closer union' or a United State of Europe for us
- No disadvantage from being outside the disasterous Eurozone.

We would be mad to get out now.

It's not confirmed.


Has all this been written into a treaty, or is it just an agreement between national leaders with no obligation upon their sucessors?


From reading those points Terry wrote. The UK never had to agree to those ever. Definitely 3/4 of those were never in place and the UK in or out of the EU will never agree to a superstate.


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terryfinch wrote:
Sefton wrote:
terryfinch wrote:
UK has a great deal. We are in the EU and can trade freely but:

- No Schengen
- No Euro
- No 'ever closer union' or a United State of Europe for us
- No disadvantage from being outside the disasterous Eurozone.

We would be mad to get out now.

Enjoy this ladies, Terry and I in agreement is a once in a lifetime experience.



Sefton, you are rarely correct on anything but, in this case, you appear to be right which is good! Must admit the terrifying sight of Nigel Farage, George Galloway and Ian Duncan Smith leading the charge against us is a worry. :lol:


I could have swore a few weeks back you wanted out and those points you mentioned were already existing.


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iarmhiman wrote:
terryfinch wrote:
Sefton wrote:
terryfinch wrote:
UK has a great deal. We are in the EU and can trade freely but:

- No Schengen
- No Euro
- No 'ever closer union' or a United State of Europe for us
- No disadvantage from being outside the disasterous Eurozone.

We would be mad to get out now.

Enjoy this ladies, Terry and I in agreement is a once in a lifetime experience.



Sefton, you are rarely correct on anything but, in this case, you appear to be right which is good! Must admit the terrifying sight of Nigel Farage, George Galloway and Ian Duncan Smith leading the charge against us is a worry. :lol:




I could have swore a few weeks back you wanted out and those points you mentioned were already existing.



No, never been an 'outer', just think the Euro is a disaster for the poor sods caught up in it.


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.@BorisJohnson will back leaving EU, I understand, & as I just said on @itvnews - & we'll know the why and how tmrw night

Shameless careerism and opportunism from the blond one, if true - and further confirmation that he is utterly unfit for high office.


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.@BorisJohnson will back leaving EU, I understand, & as I just said on @itvnews - & we'll know the why and how tmrw night

Shameless careerism and opportunism from the blond one, if true - and further confirmation that he is utterly unfit for high office.

It's entirely characteristic of his political career to date, the man is nothing more than a petty opportunist.


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Robert Peston ‏@Peston 1h1 hour ago

.@BorisJohnson will back leaving EU, I understand, & as I just said on @itvnews - & we'll know the why and how tmrw night

Shameless careerism and opportunism from the blond one, if true - and further confirmation that he is utterly unfit for high office.

It's entirely characteristic of his political career to date, the man is nothing more than a petty opportunist.


Agreed - this decision was made by him as soon as Theresa May came out in favour of staying in. This is entire;y about his chances of winning a Tory party leadership election


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Dave on the beeb on AM show soon.
I suspect the Gove and Boris alliance and the schism of the Tories will be high on the agenda.
Former cabinet ministers calling Dave a scaremongering liar is not not a great look for the Tories.


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former Tory cabinet ministers calling the current leader a liar isn't anything new

I got confused listening to Sturgeon - I couldn't work out if she was arguing for a Yes vote or a No vote


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former Tory cabinet ministers calling the current leader a liar isn't anything new

I got confused listening to Sturgeon - I couldn't work out if she was arguing for a Yes vote or a No vote

They are still serving cabinet ministers. Sturgeon was clearly backing a yes vote :uhoh:


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What's the significance of 23rd of June? Why did Cameron pick that date and not a weekend date?


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Saint wrote:
former Tory cabinet ministers calling the current leader a liar isn't anything new

I got confused listening to Sturgeon - I couldn't work out if she was arguing for a Yes vote or a No vote

They are still serving cabinet ministers. Sturgeon was clearly backing a yes vote :uhoh:


Even that's not that unusual

As for Sturgeon - she was more caught up in how Scotland wanted a different EU to England. Equivocal was putting it mildly


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TranceNRG wrote:
What's the significance of 23rd of June? Why did Cameron pick that date and not a weekend date?



thursday is the traditional day for voting


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TranceNRG wrote:
What's the significance of 23rd of June? Why did Cameron pick that date and not a weekend date?

We vote on Thursdays in the UK. Ffs :lol:


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What do the latest polls say?


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TranceNRG wrote:
What's the significance of 23rd of June? Why did Cameron pick that date and not a weekend date?


Voting in the UK is traditionally done on a Thursday. 23rd June is pretty much the earliest date it can take place from today (there are legal statutes about notification, campaigning time etc.)


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What do the latest polls say?

Depends upon which ones you read.
Get used to polls there will be a different one every other day.


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