OptimisticJock wrote: pjm1 wrote: cubby boi wrote: happyhooker wrote:
cubby boi wrote:Also bear in mi d that I'll be wild camping and carrying a pack of around 12 KG. ..
You sound a bit underpacked tbh.
Well that's what I'm hoping to keep it to...
I'll be taking my terra nova jupiter bivi which is only 800g and my sleeping bag is about the same. My 50-60l pack is 1.3KG. I'll stay dressed if I get cold. I'm hoping I won't have to carry too much water or food at any one time as shops and toilets are relatively frequent. I'll defiantly be roughing it.
What would be a normal pack weight for this kind of trip then?
You might want a bit of redundancy in that pack...
What if your sleeping bag gets wet? Is it down? Nice and light and packable, but when wet it's useless and you won't have much option to dry it en route, I presume? That's your biggest risk, straight up.
What if your boots get wet? They probably will at some point. Do you have a spare pair of *something*?
Stay dressed if you're cold. What if your gear is wet - see wet sleeping bag problem again.
How will you dry your gear in a bivy if it does chuck it down?
Sorry, but I do a lot of walking in Scotland (especially the West) and apart from the sodding midges at this time of year, the biggest issue is water ingress
- into everything. My down bag is packed very carefully, but I need to be gettig into it naked or with guaranteed dry clothes if I'm doing a multi day.
Speaking of which, I haven't walked properly for about 6 months. Trip on Friday is a 4-bagger - a nice little warmer-upper on Saturday (1km ascent) and then a bit of a bitch on Sunday - 3 hills with 2.4km of ascent (start at bloody sea level) over 24km. Should be good fun, but I'm expecting to be shattered by the end of it. We're boating along the loch to get to the start point too... so much room for utter disaster at basically every turn
It shouldn't be if you're waterproofing everything.
So what happens when you're sweating like a rapist inside your fully waterproofed clothes? And said clothes are what you'll be sleeping in? What about if you fall when crossing a river - will waterproofed clothes help then?
I've topped boots too many times and also woken up to find somehow, some water had found its way into my tent and soaked the corner of my sleeping bag. It's amazing how quickly that leads to the whole sodding thing getting damp.
If you can 100% guarantee that your kit will stay dry then great and more power to you. I'd rather take a spare set (or two) of clothes and shoes, just in case. And for multiday, I just don't see the benefits of down over a good synthetic bag - yes, you're using up more space, but down's just not worth the risk if you 100% have to have a warm sleeping bag, night after night.
Dry bags are easy to puncture as well, let's not forget - riskier in winter with crampons and axes, but still all too easy at any time.
Edited to add: all packed for our 3 day trip tomorrow. Boat and outboard loaded into car and nearly have all the kit in too. Just waiting for the last of the gear to dry properly before taking it off the radiator tomorrow morning.
Hope I remember and don't just rush out, leaving my socks, climbing trousers and top on the heater!