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Leinsterman wrote:
themaddog wrote: They also have the 151 and the train station in Adamstown.
151 barely serves any areas in Lucan bar one or two of the very southerly estates.
Adamstown train station doesn't have enough parking and is not particularly accessible unless people are actually living in Adamstown.
They really need to look at developing and opening Kishogue train station.
There are/were plans for DART to Maynooth, electrification, doubling line (is it not already double tracked to Maynooth ?) remove all level crossings, install much better signalling etc. etc. They could get a kick start.
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Leinsterman wrote:
themaddog wrote: They also have the 151 and the train station in Adamstown.
151 barely serves any areas in Lucan bar one or two of the very southerly estates.
Adamstown train station doesn't have enough parking and is not particularly accessible unless people are actually living in Adamstown.
They really need to look at developing and opening Kishogue train station.
What's the story with that station?
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camroc1 wrote:There are/were plans for DART to Maynooth, electrification, doubling line (is it not already double tracked to Maynooth ?) remove all level crossings, install much better signalling etc. etc. They could get a kick start.
DART to Maynooth will be eff all use to Lucan because that's on the Sligo line, not the Galway line. However, still a fantastic project that I'm a huge fan of.

Uncle Fester wrote:What's the story with that station?
The whole area south of it is due to be developed in the next few years. It'll be a massive housing/mixed development project. The consultation is causing ructions in Lucan and other surrounding areas because it's going to be tough to put transport infrastructure there to cope.
The station was built as the first part of the project back in 2006 but was never opened.
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Donnybrook needs a tunnel, much like Drumcondra Avenue does.

It doesn’t make any sense to build a three lane dual carriage way as your main method of getting people from one side of the city to another, and then having it narrow significantly 2.5km from where you want to get people. Donnybrook is an utter mess as there is traffic joining from the Rock Road and Clonskeagh routes, the road narrows to one lane and you have people dropping children off to school. It’s a complete mess. We need to think like Boston with some solutions but I don’t think Ireland is prepared to face up to that.

Yes we need more public transport, but issues like the above are not going to just magically go away.

A tunnel from before the Donnybrook garage to the junction of Leeson St and Waterloo Road would make the most sense. One exit on Waterloo Road down to Baggot Street and one that comes out onto Leeson St for traffic heading into the Green area. The tunnel is for traffic going into town, outbound takes over the overhead road.

I’m not really convinced about the LUAS spur as argued. I am not familiar with the north side but knowing the southside, there are lots of areas that are untouched by a full QBC, LUAS and DART, where people need to walk for 10 mins at least to access one. The DART is the best way to get to the city centre by far, from Blackrock it takes less than 15 minutes. The issue with it is frequency and the fact that on side of it is water so isn’t catching the potential a more inland line like the LUAS does.

One way to try to deal with that is frequent looping buses that link between the three. DB have tried this with the 114 which goes from Ticknock, down to Sandyford LUAS, down Newtown Park Avenue and Carysfort and then to Blackrock. The problem with it is that the route is often in heavy school traffic and it isn’t frequent enough. Add to that that the DART itself is often too infrequent and only serves one part of the CBD. People therefore prefer to take the more linear and slower bus routes or to drive into town. Same goes for people who might live near a DART station but need to get to Sandyford. This is where DART underground comes into its own. Immediately after you build it you open up for a full reconfiguration of bus routes around the suburbs. I would immediately cut the number of linear routes into town on the Rock Road like the 4 for example. Put that capacity into play by increasing the frequency of buses that link people to quick routes into the CBD.

UCD getting a LUAS seems like a luxury to me. It it was really necessary then an earlier spur would be more efficient. I think it’s decently served by the QBC at the moment.
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DCC have snubbed policy to alleviate traffic congestion for years.

Their plans are designed to create traffic misery.
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Leinsterman wrote:
themaddog wrote: They also have the 151 and the train station in Adamstown.
151 barely serves any areas in Lucan bar one or two of the very southerly estates.
Adamstown train station doesn't have enough parking and is not particularly accessible unless people are actually living in Adamstown.
They really need to look at developing and opening Kishogue train station.
There is a very large carpark in Adamstown that nobody.
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Mullet 2 wrote:DCC have snubbed policy to alleviate traffic congestion for years.

Their plans are designed to create traffic misery.
Amen brother.
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themaddog wrote:There is a very large carpark in Adamstown that nobody.
I assume you meant to put "uses" at the end of the sentence.
I stand corrected in that case. Newcastle road is a pain in the arse in the mornings though so difficult to get to the train station unless people come to it from the ORR.
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EU rejects any passporting deal for financial services unless the UK stays in the single market.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/fin ... -1.3375183

(I've cut and pasted the article in the Brexit thread)

So, this will push a lot of banks and associated service industries to jump. Whilst I don't think we'll get many more major banks, I think we'll get a load of the niche services setting up here.
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And right on cue, Philip Lane more or less says that more London companies will be setting up here. From RTE :
Central Bank sees Brexit-related authorisations increasing
Updated / Wednesday, 31 Jan 2018 13:20

The Central Bank expects to see an increase in Brexit-related authorisations from financial services firms looking to set to set up in the country or extend their current operations, Governor Philip Lane said.

"Many types of entities - including banks; insurance companies; asset management firms; and payments and electronic money institutions - have made applications to the Central Bank of Ireland," Professor Lane said.

He made his comments at the European Financial Forum in Dublin Castle today.

"The potential activities range from broker dealers; trading venues; electronic money institutions; commercial insurance and retail insurance," the Professor said.

"We expect the current levels of authorisation and supervisory engagements with firms to increase further," he added.

Meanwhile, Morgan Stanley will make decisions on redeploying staff to its chosen locations of Frankfurt, Paris and Dublin as a result of Brexit very early this year, its president said today.

"We'll be making decisions very early this year. What the politicians don't understand is these are people," Colm Kelleher told the European Financial Forum.

Asked if the bank would need to know by the end of March the terms of the transition agreement that will ease Britain out of the bloc, Kelleher said that was "pretty fair".

He added that the size of any moves would depend on the shape of the Brexit deal.
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goose81 wrote:You'd nearly feel sorry for the hutches at this stage, it's like Barca v a pub team.

They had that Sunday world journalist on dunohys podcast the other week and she said hutch is a smart man, reckons he's waiting for the big hit biding his time. That he won't strike until he can get kinahan himself or the son which would be fairly funny if he did it. Hopefully they all kill each other
He's no mastermind, he's been getting his ass handed to him. The Hutchs are just a family, the Kinahans are a proper mob with big international connections. There's only going to be one winner.
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if this proves to be true how the fcuk they stay outta jail would be disgraceful even by our own standards.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/med ... -1.3371358
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Uncle Fester wrote:Not only is he a scumbag landlord but he's also a strategic defaulter.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social- ... ssion=true
Looks like both the civil and criminal law are catching up with the pair.


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-a ... -1.3375463
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Not enough transport infra for my liking but its good we are tapping certain resources.
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The European Investment Bank has confirmed that more than €1 billion of new financing was signed in 2017 for public and private sector investment across in Ireland. It represents the largest ever engagement in the country by the lending institution since the start of Irish operations in 1973.

Minister for Finance, Paschal Donohoe, welcomed the EIB's engagement in Ireland last year.

"Regular meetings of the Ireland-EIB Financing Group and the new EIB Dublin office ensure that Ireland benefits from new opportunities for EIB financing under the Investment Plan for Europe."

The minsiter said the Bank of the European Union is delivering on commitments to enhance public and private sector activity in Ireland.

More than €1 billion of new EIB and European Investment Fund financing signed last year is unlocking new investment in Galway, Limerick, Cork and Dublin and around the country

Andrew McDowell, Vice President of the European Investment Bank, said, looking ahead the EIB expects to provide new financing to support priority investment in social housing and broadband, as well as helping firms most vulnerable to the uncertainties of Brexit.

New EIB financing for investment in Ireland agreed last year included the EIB’s largest ever loan in the country, €490 million for the National Children’s Hospital.

This week the EIB will agree a new €30 million loan to support research and development by Galway med-tech company Aerogen, who develope aerosol drug delivery. This is the first loan under a new streamlined corporate finance programme available for Irish companies launched in Dublin last September.

Ahead of today’s announcement Microfinance Ireland confirmed details of a new €30 million EIF initiative to strengthen loans to female, young, senior and migrant micro-borrowers over the next five years that was signed in December.
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Varadkar saying in the Dáil that transport will form a big part of the 10 yr investment plan and that :
projects in the mix included expanded bus services, additional carriages for Irish Rail, the metro project and the new Luas lines.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politic ... -1.3375583

Given the Commissions statement that they will allow Ireland to break finance rules for infrastructure as a mitigation against Brexit, I suspect that the infrastructure plan is being beefed up as we speak with the use of bank sale money, and NAMA surplus.

Expect lots of transport goodies when the plan is announced.
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Tenders being sought for the below social housing an a vacant site on Dominic Street that has been derelict for years. I particularly like the commercial use at ground level and the nice wide pedestrianised area in front of the flats. Could do with another 3 or 4 stories though. I hope to God they restrict tenancies to those with actual jobs.

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It looks shit, seriously.
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Good location that (corner with Parnell Street?). Criminal that it's been lying there unused for years accumulating industrial amounts of garbage, needles and old mattresses in the city centre no less!
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Gavin Duffy wrote:It looks shit, seriously.
Yeah,the penchant for brick is.......shit.
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paddyor wrote:
Gavin Duffy wrote:It looks shit, seriously.
Yeah,the penchant for brick is.......shit.
Had a quick look courtesy of google street view. The auld luas tracks will add value no doubt, but there are a lot of corpo craphole flats on that street far as I can tell.
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Bullettyme wrote:Good location that (corner with Parnell Street?). Criminal that it's been lying there unused for years accumulating industrial amounts of garbage, needles and old mattresses in the city centre no less!
I hope they are using it to decant current tenants from across the road into, freeing that site with the three awful corpo blocks for private sector development.


Anyhoo, as forecast by some on here, a culchie alliance in the Dáil has been formed in opposition to the new National Plan on the basis that it is too Dublin centred, and doesn't include a free LUAS for everyone in the audience from outside the M50.
Opposition coalition wants draft national plan ‘completely altered’
TDs to hold public meetings to force changes to ‘anti-rural’ draft ‘Ireland 2040’ plan
24 minutes ago
Simon Carswell

A coalition of opposition TDs has warned that the National Planning Framework will not pass the Oireachtas, claiming that the 20-year development plan for the country is “unbalanced” in favour of Dublin and will “kill rural Ireland”.

Labour TD Alan Kelly, who launched the plan as minister for the environment in late 2015, joined with Fianna Fáil’s Éamon Ó Cuív, Sinn Féin’s Eoin Ó Broin and Independent TD Michael Fitzmaurice to raise objections to the draft framework, arguing that it was “unsupportable” in its current format.

The group, styling itself as the Coalition Against the National Planning Framework, plans to run a national campaign, including public meetings starting in Athlone, Co Westmeath next Monday, to push for the framework to be “completely altered”, said Mr Kelly.

Their opposition raises the prospect of a clash with Government and a risk to Fianna Fáil’s confidence-and-supply agreement with the Fine Gael-led coalition as their objections represent the views of their parties.

Fianna Fáil had “huge concerns” for the rural implications of this plan, said Mr Ó Cuív, and the party was pressing for changes to the draft framework.

“Everything in politics is about negotiation,” said the Galway West TD.

‘Pretty seismic’
Mr Kelly warned that the draft plan for “Ireland 2040”, which had – unlike previous national spatial plans – to be put on a statutory footing, would not pass the Oireachtas. He warned that this would have “pretty seismic” consequences for subsequent budgetary plans on capital expenditure to finance the programme.

“We don’t believe that this plan can get through those houses across the road,” the Tipperary TD told a press conference in Buswells Hotel across from Leinster House in Dublin.

He said that the draft plan was “generic” and lacked ambition, would create an imbalance in the country by concentrating investment too heavily on Dublin and would “choke” the capital city.


Mr Ó Broin, the Dublin Mid-West TD, said that Sinn Féin was “very concerned” about the consultation process given that only 750 submissions were received on the initial document.

The framework would still create “chronic over-concentration” on Dublin and the surrounding region, he said, and suggested greater focus on the cross-Border Letterkenny-Derry and Dublin-Belfast corridors.

Mr Ó Cuív described the plan as “anti-rural” and said that it was based on “late 20th century” rather than 21st century planning by failing to account for how much more people work remotely now.

“There is a huge presumption here against protecting the right of people to live within the townlands that they came from,” he said.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politic ... -1.3375793
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Gavin Duffy wrote:
paddyor wrote:
Gavin Duffy wrote:It looks shit, seriously.
Yeah,the penchant for brick is.......shit.
Had a quick look courtesy of google street view. The auld luas tracks will add value no doubt, but there are a lot of corpo craphole flats on that street far as I can tell.
There is. But a bit further up there's some quite nice old Georgian tenements and the church is pretty impressive too. As camroc says those flats are fairly extensive, and looks to me the entire ground floor of the luas facing ones are empty and seem to attract drunks and druggies. Could be a great area if they cleaned it up a little.
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Hopefully, but 'gentrification' is now as dirty a word as genocide.
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Gavin Duffy wrote:Hopefully, but 'gentrification' is now as dirty a word as genocide.
Not amongst city council officials, who really don't want to be landlords of antiquated and not near current spec flats. Which is why I think they will decant whatever remaining Dominic Street tenants into the new build and enter a PPP for a mixture of social affordable and private flats on that site.
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Gavin Duffy wrote:Hopefully, but 'gentrification' is now as dirty a word as genocide.
Is it? We don't have the race issues they have elsewhere.

In other news, I did enjoy Clr Garry Gannon on the latest gang land hit on RTE. "this about a multi national corporation murdering it's competition to send a message"
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paddyor wrote:
Gavin Duffy wrote:Hopefully, but 'gentrification' is now as dirty a word as genocide.
Is it? We don't have the race issues they have elsewhere.

In other news, I did enjoy Clr Garry Gannon on the latest gang land hit on RTE. "this about a multi national corporation murdering it's competition to send a message"
About the hutch-kinathings?
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Gavin Duffy wrote:
paddyor wrote:
Gavin Duffy wrote:Hopefully, but 'gentrification' is now as dirty a word as genocide.
Is it? We don't have the race issues they have elsewhere.

In other news, I did enjoy Clr Garry Gannon on the latest gang land hit on RTE. "this about a multi national corporation murdering it's competition to send a message"
About the hutch-kinathings?
Yep. Mad rambling spiel about poverty and deprivation, how this stuff never seemed to happen in middle and upper class areas, and weirdly how increased spending on police wouldn't help and then finished up on that.
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Days numbered for that scumbag landlord Paul Howard? Injunctions secured by a receiver over some of his Mountjoy Square properties.

http://www.thejournal.ie/forced-evictio ... 8-Jan2018/
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camroc1 wrote:Tenders being sought for the below social housing an a vacant site on Dominic Street that has been derelict for years. I particularly like the commercial use at ground level and the nice wide pedestrianised area in front of the flats. Could do with another 3 or 4 stories though. I hope to God they restrict tenancies to those with actual jobs.

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Not sure how these ones will go but the empty ground floor premises along the likes of Cork Street and the Herburton apartments are a magnet for ASBO's.
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Bullettyme wrote:Days numbered for that scumbag landlord Paul Howard? Injunctions secured by a receiver over some of his Mountjoy Square properties.

http://www.thejournal.ie/forced-evictio ... 8-Jan2018/
Some tenants forcibly evicted by some heavies and needed to go to hospital afterwards. Trying to remove a representative of the receiver from a property and the Gards being called, only for the locks to be subsequently changed.

The man is a complete toerag.
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Uncle Fester wrote:Not sure how these ones will go but the empty ground floor premises along the likes of Cork Street and the Herburton apartments are a magnet for ASBO's.
Those were the ones I was thinking of when there was discussion about redeveloping the flats off Charlemont street. Proposing ground level commercial units to promote amenities and foot traffic is well and good until no-one moves in and the street level becomes a ghost town with people only walking there on their way to somewhere else.
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Nolanator wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:Not sure how these ones will go but the empty ground floor premises along the likes of Cork Street and the Herburton apartments are a magnet for ASBO's.
Those were the ones I was thinking of when there was discussion about redeveloping the flats off Charlemont street. Proposing ground level commercial units to promote amenities and foot traffic is well and good until no-one moves in and the street level becomes a ghost town with people only walking there on their way to somewhere else.
Charlemont units will be picked up instantly, IMO. Too much money in the immediate vicinity and there should also be decent foot traffic..
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CM11 wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:Not sure how these ones will go but the empty ground floor premises along the likes of Cork Street and the Herburton apartments are a magnet for ASBO's.
Those were the ones I was thinking of when there was discussion about redeveloping the flats off Charlemont street. Proposing ground level commercial units to promote amenities and foot traffic is well and good until no-one moves in and the street level becomes a ghost town with people only walking there on their way to somewhere else.
Charlemont units will be picked up instantly, IMO. Too much money in the immediate vicinity and there should also be decent foot traffic..
Definitely a better location than Cork street/Rialto, for sure. Just across the canal from Ranelagh, and beside Portobello and the Harcourt area. Only a hop from Stephen's Green.
Just couldn't remember the name of the apartments when we were having that discussion a few weeks ago.
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Nolanator wrote:
Bullettyme wrote:Days numbered for that scumbag landlord Paul Howard? Injunctions secured by a receiver over some of his Mountjoy Square properties.

http://www.thejournal.ie/forced-evictio ... 8-Jan2018/
Some tenants forcibly evicted by some heavies and needed to go to hospital afterwards. Trying to remove a representative of the receiver from a property and the Gards being called, only for the locks to be subsequently changed.

The man is a complete toerag.
Too right, complete scumbag.

I see he's also a Freeman of Ireland or whatever they call themselves:
In correspondence with Mr Fennell, Mr Howard used “pseudo legal language” to dispute the validity of the receivership, counsel said.
Hopefully the tenants don't end up too affected.
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Uncle Fester wrote: Not sure how these ones will go but the empty ground floor premises along the likes of Cork Street and the Herburton apartments are a magnet for ASBO's.
That area of Parnell/Dominic street will be snapped up I reckon. Decent location.
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Nolanator wrote:
CM11 wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:Not sure how these ones will go but the empty ground floor premises along the likes of Cork Street and the Herburton apartments are a magnet for ASBO's.
Those were the ones I was thinking of when there was discussion about redeveloping the flats off Charlemont street. Proposing ground level commercial units to promote amenities and foot traffic is well and good until no-one moves in and the street level becomes a ghost town with people only walking there on their way to somewhere else.
Charlemont units will be picked up instantly, IMO. Too much money in the immediate vicinity and there should also be decent foot traffic..
Definitely a better location than Cork street/Rialto, for sure. Just across the canal from Ranelagh, and beside Portobello and the Harcourt area. Only a hop from Stephen's Green.
Just couldn't remember the name of the apartments when we were having that discussion a few weeks ago.
Offer them on short leases (say 3 yr) at rents that will attract, and see what happens.
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Bullettyme wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote: Not sure how these ones will go but the empty ground floor premises along the likes of Cork Street and the Herburton apartments are a magnet for ASBO's.
That area of Parnell/Dominic street will be snapped up I reckon. Decent location.
Just like Smithfield.......
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get a couple of these lads to throw up a few Luas lines, metro to the airport over the Easter weekend

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D42pweYvkUY
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camroc1 wrote:
Bullettyme wrote:Good location that (corner with Parnell Street?). Criminal that it's been lying there unused for years accumulating industrial amounts of garbage, needles and old mattresses in the city centre no less!
I hope they are using it to decant current tenants from across the road into, freeing that site with the three awful corpo blocks for private sector development.


Anyhoo, as forecast by some on here, a culchie alliance in the Dáil has been formed in opposition to the new National Plan on the basis that it is too Dublin centred, and doesn't include a free LUAS for everyone in the audience from outside the M50.
Opposition coalition wants draft national plan ‘completely altered’
TDs to hold public meetings to force changes to ‘anti-rural’ draft ‘Ireland 2040’ plan
24 minutes ago
Simon Carswell

A coalition of opposition TDs has warned that the National Planning Framework will not pass the Oireachtas, claiming that the 20-year development plan for the country is “unbalanced” in favour of Dublin and will “kill rural Ireland”.

Labour TD Alan Kelly, who launched the plan as minister for the environment in late 2015, joined with Fianna Fáil’s Éamon Ó Cuív, Sinn Féin’s Eoin Ó Broin and Independent TD Michael Fitzmaurice to raise objections to the draft framework, arguing that it was “unsupportable” in its current format.

The group, styling itself as the Coalition Against the National Planning Framework, plans to run a national campaign, including public meetings starting in Athlone, Co Westmeath next Monday, to push for the framework to be “completely altered”, said Mr Kelly.

Their opposition raises the prospect of a clash with Government and a risk to Fianna Fáil’s confidence-and-supply agreement with the Fine Gael-led coalition as their objections represent the views of their parties.

Fianna Fáil had “huge concerns” for the rural implications of this plan, said Mr Ó Cuív, and the party was pressing for changes to the draft framework.

“Everything in politics is about negotiation,” said the Galway West TD.

‘Pretty seismic’
Mr Kelly warned that the draft plan for “Ireland 2040”, which had – unlike previous national spatial plans – to be put on a statutory footing, would not pass the Oireachtas. He warned that this would have “pretty seismic” consequences for subsequent budgetary plans on capital expenditure to finance the programme.

“We don’t believe that this plan can get through those houses across the road,” the Tipperary TD told a press conference in Buswells Hotel across from Leinster House in Dublin.

He said that the draft plan was “generic” and lacked ambition, would create an imbalance in the country by concentrating investment too heavily on Dublin and would “choke” the capital city.


Mr Ó Broin, the Dublin Mid-West TD, said that Sinn Féin was “very concerned” about the consultation process given that only 750 submissions were received on the initial document.

The framework would still create “chronic over-concentration” on Dublin and the surrounding region, he said, and suggested greater focus on the cross-Border Letterkenny-Derry and Dublin-Belfast corridors.

Mr Ó Cuív described the plan as “anti-rural” and said that it was based on “late 20th century” rather than 21st century planning by failing to account for how much more people work remotely now.

“There is a huge presumption here against protecting the right of people to live within the townlands that they came from,” he said.
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It will be a little for everyone. I have zero faith in this government to fastrack the most important project that Dublin needs. Pascal already shitcanned lots of the work on DART Underground when he was transport minister, now he controls finance good luck. We’ll get the linear Metro North which will help his constituency, helps only people on that line.

Rural Ireland TDs need to watch this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvAvHjYoLUU
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What sort of rent is being paid in Dublin 2 nowadays ? Baggot St , Merrion Square area ?
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