England Vs Wales B - OFFICIAL Six Nations Match Thread

Dai another day · Post by **Dai another day** » Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:31 pm

Location: London, England.

Stadium: Twickenham

Team England: TBA

Team Wales: Halfpenny (Scarlets); Adams (Worcester), S Williams (Scarlets), Parkes (Scarlets), S Evans (Scarlets); Patchell (Scarlets), G Davies (Scarlets); R Evans (Scarlets), Owens (Scarlets), Lee (Scarlets), Hill (Dragons), AW Jones (Ospreys capt), Shingler (Scarlets), Navidi (Cardiff Blues), Moriarty (Gloucester).

Replacements: Dee (Dragons), W Jones (Scarlets), Francis (Exeter Chiefs), B Davies (Ospreys), Tipuric (Ospreys), A Davies (Scarlets), Anscombe (Cardiff Blues), North (Northampton).

Referee: Jerome Garces

KO: 16:45

happyhooker · Post by **happyhooker** » Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:31 pm

Bad form

Dai another day · Post by **Dai another day** » Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:34 pm

happyhooker wrote:Bad form

Spoiler: show

Dai another day · Post by **Dai another day** » Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:52 pm

Wales team: Halfpenny (Scarlets); Adams (Worcester), S Williams (Scarlets), Parkes (Scarlets), S Evans (Scarlets); Patchell (Scarlets), G Davies (Scarlets); R Evans (Scarlets), Owens (Scarlets), Lee (Scarlets), Hill (Dragons), AW Jones (Ospreys capt), Shingler (Scarlets), Navidi (Cardiff Blues), Moriarty (Gloucester).

Replacements: Dee (Dragons), W Jones (Scarlets), Francis (Exeter Chiefs), B Davies (Ospreys), Tipuric (Ospreys), A Davies (Scarlets), Anscombe (Cardiff Blues), North (Northampton).

C69 · Post by **C69** » Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:58 pm

Saes by 10 at the very least.
Watson to get a brace

Rugby2023 · Post by **Rugby2023** » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:01 pm

10 Llanelli Scarlets starting, 2 more on the bench. Impressive contribution.

iarmhiman · Post by **iarmhiman** » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:03 pm

Game of the weekend ...to be fair.

croyals · Post by **croyals** » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:08 pm

The game that I could never miss but never look forward to

openclashXX · Post by **openclashXX** » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:18 pm

Trust the Welsh to do away with bored etiquette and create an "official" match thread despite being the away team

Dobbin · Post by **Dobbin** » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:19 pm

Grand Slam champions elect by twenty.

Three sizzling Halfpenny tries from halfway (converted, natch), and a Patchell drop-kick after 50 effortless phases of play.

Against a solitary, controversial penalty from Owen Farrell, in the dying seconds.

ovalball · Post by **ovalball** » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:20 pm

Dai another day wrote:Wales team: Halfpenny (Scarlets); Adams (Worcester), S Williams (Scarlets), Parkes (Scarlets), S Evans (Scarlets); Patchell (Scarlets), G Davies (Scarlets); R Evans (Scarlets), Owens (Scarlets), Lee (Scarlets), Hill (Dragons), AW Jones (Ospreys capt), Shingler (Scarlets), Navidi (Cardiff Blues), Moriarty (Gloucester).

Replacements: Dee (Dragons), W Jones (Scarlets), Francis (Exeter Chiefs), B Davies (Ospreys), Tipuric (Ospreys), A Davies (Scarlets), Anscombe (Cardiff Blues), North (Northampton).

So strong that they can afford to leave out Liam Williams altogether and have North on the bench. While we have to call up a 34 yr old s/h reject.

Wales by 15

Rugby2023 · Post by **Rugby2023** » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:20 pm

croyals wrote:The game that I could never miss but never look forward to

The drama

75th minute, 16-14 to Wales...

croyals · Post by **croyals** » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:22 pm

Rugby2023 wrote:
croyals wrote:The game that I could never miss but never look forward to
The drama

75th minute, 16-14 to Wales...

I ripped all the skin off my knuckles punching the ceiling of the pub. But had watched minutes 1-75 through my fingers.

Dai another day · Post by **Dai another day** » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:24 pm

74th minute.

To help them on their way out of their own World Cup...

C69 · Post by **C69** » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:26 pm

Sickening arrogance, truly sickening.

ovalball · Post by **ovalball** » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:31 pm

Dai another day wrote:74th minute.

To help them on their way out of their own World Cup...

And we remain very grateful to your contribution in improving our team

Mick Mannock · Post by **Mick Mannock** » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:43 pm

21 - 8 in the pro era

RodneyRegis · Post by **RodneyRegis** » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:51 pm

Rugby2023 wrote:
croyals wrote:The game that I could never miss but never look forward to
The drama

75th minute, 16-14 to Wales...

That pass...

penguin · Post by **penguin** » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:51 pm

All that clip from last year shows me is how incredible it was that wales won any games in the last few years with Alex Cuthbert defending his wing with all the positioning of a blind rabbi carrying a rainbow flag at a Neo Nazi rally.

cubby boi · Post by **cubby boi** » Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:07 pm

penguin wrote:All that clip from last year shows me is how incredible it was that wales won any games in the last few years with Alex Cuthbert defending his wing with all the positioning of a blind rabbi carrying a rainbow flag at a Neo Nazi rally.

Exactly. We said he’d cost us the match - and he did.

It also reminds me how small the margins are in the 6n. People like to joke that we were right down the table last year and thus shite, but other than an embarrassing non show in Scotland, we were within whiskers of winning the championship. A Fluffbert fluff in the dieing mins and a French cheat at 80mins.
Small margins

C69 · Post by **C69** » Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:34 pm

When is the English team announced?
What changes apart from scrum half are we to expect?

C69 · Post by **C69** » Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:35 pm

When is the English team announced?
What changes apart from scrum half are we to expect?
Thank God Cuthbert is not in the match day squad.

Mick Mannock · Post by **Mick Mannock** » Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:41 pm

c69 wrote:When is the English team announced?
What changes apart from scrum half are we to expect?
Thank God Cuthbert is not in the match day squad.

You will find another escape goat should Wales lose.

And you should be more grateful that Daly is not in the England match day squad

croyals · Post by **croyals** » Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:56 pm

I'd imagine England will come out Thursday. My bets are Wiggy and Nowell to start, May to the bench.

penguin · Post by **penguin** » Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:58 pm

Mick Mannock wrote:
c69 wrote:When is the English team announced?
What changes apart from scrum half are we to expect?
Thank God Cuthbert is not in the match day squad.
You will find another escape goat should Wales lose.

And you should be more grateful that Daly is not in the England match day squad

Someone may have a defensive lapse, but it won't be as woefully predictable as that one.

And yes, Daly very good player, but I'm more grateful that Billy isn't there to be honest.

Toro · Post by **Toro** » Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:59 pm

In all fairness Wales could feel somewhat relaxed going into the game compared to England no? England will certainly be heavily favoured to win at home and if it's tight at the death they'll probably be sweating it more. Wales can certainly be confident on the back on a convincing win first up.

How big a blow do you English think the Youngs injury is? Care has been pretty good this season for Quins from what I've seen.

C69 · Post by **C69** » Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:09 pm

Mick Mannock wrote:
c69 wrote:When is the English team announced?
What changes apart from scrum half are we to expect?
Thank God Cuthbert is not in the match day squad.
You will find another escape goat should Wales lose.

And you should be more grateful that Daly is not in the England match day squad

TBH before last year's match I said Cuthbert would be targeted and cost us the match and I was right.

matta25 · Post by **matta25** » Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:16 pm

croyals wrote:
Rugby2023 wrote:
croyals wrote:The game that I could never miss but never look forward to
The drama

75th minute, 16-14 to Wales...

I ripped all the skin off my knuckles punching the ceiling of the pub. But had watched minutes 1-75 through my fingers.

Never get tired of watching that

Frodder · Post by **Frodder** » Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:18 pm

ovalball wrote:
Dai another day wrote:74th minute.

To help them on their way out of their own World Cup...

And we remain very grateful to your contribution in improving our team

Shucks, anytime. Can you please f**k your team selection like you did then

C69 · Post by **C69** » Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:33 pm

The progress of England in the last year or so has been amazing.
Their talent scouts have done a great job and their coach has harnessed their vast resources perfectly.
All credit to Eddie and his team. Let's hope rugby is the real winner on Saturday and we have a great game.

fatcat · Post by **fatcat** » Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:44 pm

matta25 wrote:
croyals wrote:
Rugby2023 wrote:
croyals wrote:The game that I could never miss but never look forward to
The drama

75th minute, 16-14 to Wales...

I ripped all the skin off my knuckles punching the ceiling of the pub. But had watched minutes 1-75 through my fingers.
Never get tired of watching that

I've just watched it about 8 times on the trot on YouTube.

C69 · Post by **C69** » Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:46 pm

Cuthbert

You just knew he would never make that tackle.

Cnut

Gospel · Post by **Gospel** » Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:57 pm

I'm getting a bit of déjà vu here. The 2008 fixture was Gatland's first in charge of Wales and he picked a mostly Osprey's side if memory serves. Going with a backbone of Scarlets he's going to hope for that regional understanding and confidence to cause England substantial problems. They're a side without any clear weaknesses and I think England will need to man-up to come out ahead in this one. I'd wager it's going to be a high scoring game but too close to call.

P in VG · Post by **P in VG** » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:07 pm

To be fair to Cuthbert (back when he was half decent) - he did score this delicious brace against England:

Mike Brown

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C69 · Post by **C69** » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:07 pm

Gospel wrote:I'm getting a bit of déjà vu here. The 2008 fixture was Gatland's first in charge of Wales and he picked a mostly Osprey's side if memory serves. Going with a backbone of Scarlets he's going to hope for that regional understanding and confidence to cause England substantial problems. They're a side without any clear weaknesses and I think England will need to man-up to come out ahead in this one. I'd wager it's going to be a high scoring game but too close to call.

I think we have defensive frailties that will be exploited. Your level of experience and nous will be too much for our inexperienced backs. I can't see Patchell playing as well as he did last week again.
I still have reservations about our back row and don't think we have as much class in the backs as you guys. I suppose this game will be our Bellwether

penguin · Post by **penguin** » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:19 pm

c69 wrote:
Gospel wrote:I'm getting a bit of déjà vu here. The 2008 fixture was Gatland's first in charge of Wales and he picked a mostly Osprey's side if memory serves. Going with a backbone of Scarlets he's going to hope for that regional understanding and confidence to cause England substantial problems. They're a side without any clear weaknesses and I think England will need to man-up to come out ahead in this one. I'd wager it's going to be a high scoring game but too close to call.
I think we have defensive frailties that will be exploited. Your level of experience and nous will be too much for our inexperienced backs. I can't see Patchell playing as well as he did last week again.
I still have reservations about our back row and don't think we have as much class in the backs as you guys. I suppose this game will be our Bellwether

You can expect England to hurt us more in the tight exchanges, drag people in, and make more space out wide - then the 13 channel becomes more exposed. The scots couldn't isolate Scott Williams, which is what I feared pre-match. If England play Joseph then his pace might be telling in that area - I think I would rather see Te'o, than him. Te'o is good but a more straightforward physical challenge which I think Scott Williams can cope with.

My reservations are that this is a good England team, and being at home, and in form, our pack has to be better than last week - they handled brilliantly, which I hope we see more of, but they'll need to do a lot more tackling than the scots made them do, and we'll need the likes of Owens, Moriarty and Navidi to offer more carrying threat. Huge test of different parts of our game from last weekend.

However 2008 parallels - Wigglesworth (potentially) on the bench again, and if Lawes plays 6 then they'll be playing a lock in the backrow, as they were for much of that game.

Keith · Post by **Keith** » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:22 pm

I love how Cuthbert is still taking a beating on here for last year, yet it was JD that fucked the exit up. The Welsh strategy is 2 hit ups followed by the kick, but JD panicked and kicked (poorly) after one when the rest of his team weren't aligned correctly in their defensive pattern, yet in PR world it was all down to Cuthbert. Most PR posters know jack-shit

penguin · Post by **penguin** » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:34 pm

Keith wrote:I love how Cuthbert is still taking a beating on here for last year, yet it was JD that fucked the exit up. The Welsh strategy is 2 hit ups followed by the kick, but JD panicked and kicked (poorly) after one when the rest of his team weren't aligned correctly in their defensive pattern, yet in PR world it was all down to Cuthbert. Most PR posters know jack-shit

You really think we're unaware of that? JD got plenty of stick for that unusual error - Cuthbert got more stick for being out of position defensively for the millionth time. Can you understand the difference?

ovalball · Post by **ovalball** » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:39 pm

penguin wrote:
c69 wrote:
Gospel wrote:I'm getting a bit of déjà vu here. The 2008 fixture was Gatland's first in charge of Wales and he picked a mostly Osprey's side if memory serves. Going with a backbone of Scarlets he's going to hope for that regional understanding and confidence to cause England substantial problems. They're a side without any clear weaknesses and I think England will need to man-up to come out ahead in this one. I'd wager it's going to be a high scoring game but too close to call.
I think we have defensive frailties that will be exploited. Your level of experience and nous will be too much for our inexperienced backs. I can't see Patchell playing as well as he did last week again.
I still have reservations about our back row and don't think we have as much class in the backs as you guys. I suppose this game will be our Bellwether
You can expect England to hurt us more in the tight exchanges, drag people in, and make more space out wide - then the 13 channel becomes more exposed. The scots couldn't isolate Scott Williams, which is what I feared pre-match. If England play Joseph then his pace might be telling in that area - I think I would rather see Te'o, than him. Te'o is good but a more straightforward physical challenge which I think Scott Williams can cope with.

My reservations are that this is a good England team, and being at home, and in form, our pack has to be better than last week - they handled brilliantly, which I hope we see more of, but they'll need to do a lot more tackling than the scots made them do, and we'll need the likes of Owens, Moriarty and Navidi to offer more carrying threat. Huge test of different parts of our game from last weekend.

However 2008 parallels - Wigglesworth (potentially) on the bench again, and if Lawes plays 6 then they'll be playing a lock in the backrow, as they were for much of that game.

England can also be caught out defensively in the wide channels. Wales defended well against the Scots and never looked in trouble -albeit, the Scots did give the ball up easily and their line out was a shambles.

Both sides should present bigger challenges, all over the park, than last week’s opponents. Both sides will have to work very hard up front to get some impetus for their backs to capitalise on. The packs look fairly well matched - Wales may get a slight edge in the scrums if our front row isn’t careful.

bessantj · Post by **bessantj** » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:46 pm

This is such a big test for the Welsh team. England must be massive favourites for this and I think they're going to play a superb game. I have no idea how Wales are going to handle it, it's going to fail at some point and England are going to score some tries hopefully Wales can stop them from doing it early and can work up a try or two themselves.

Who is going to win?